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Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:04 AM

Here Are All Of The Nations That Incarcerate More Of Their Population Than The U.S.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/13/incarceration-rate-per-capita_n_3745291.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

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Reply Here Are All Of The Nations That Incarcerate More Of Their Population Than The U.S. (Original post)
BainsBane Aug 2013 OP
TexasTowelie Aug 2013 #1
BainsBane Aug 2013 #3
AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #2
eridani Aug 2013 #4
BainsBane Aug 2013 #6
eridani Aug 2013 #7
Lasher Aug 2013 #10
Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #11
BainsBane Aug 2013 #14
Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #26
Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #34
Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #40
Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #42
Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #45
KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #36
struggle4progress Aug 2013 #29
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #5
David__77 Aug 2013 #8
BainsBane Aug 2013 #9
Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #17
BainsBane Aug 2013 #18
Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #20
Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #19
joshcryer Aug 2013 #25
Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #27
joshcryer Aug 2013 #32
BainsBane Aug 2013 #43
John2 Aug 2013 #21
joshcryer Aug 2013 #24
Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #28
joshcryer Aug 2013 #33
Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #41
blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #12
Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #13
Enthusiast Aug 2013 #15
Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #16
B Calm Aug 2013 #22
joshcryer Aug 2013 #23
Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #30
joshcryer Aug 2013 #31
mick063 Aug 2013 #38
davidn3600 Aug 2013 #35
liberal N proud Aug 2013 #37
ProSense Aug 2013 #39
BainsBane Aug 2013 #44

Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:12 AM

1. We're #1.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:22 AM

3. We're still number one in something

In the prison population and the number of guns.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:13 AM

2. Yay, we beat Rwanda!

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:26 AM

4. I seriously wish they'd shitcan the data from all the islands

Small countries with minuscule populations could jump up or down a half a dozen levels with changes in their prison populations of as few as 20 people.

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Response to eridani (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:35 AM

6. Yeah, I'm surprised China isn't on that list.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:36 AM

7. I bet it would be if they got rid of the island data n/t

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Response to eridani (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:43 AM

10. China is #124

Complete list here

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:41 AM

14. Yeah, wouldn't be a shock if they under reported

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:38 AM

26. It seems that china is 170 without the "re-education" camps or 121 with.

But the point is we are number 1. China isn't even close, no matter how you set the numbers.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 08:04 AM

34. I have a really, really hard time believing the Chinese data,

given that Chinese government corruption is rampant, that it still has not apologized for the massacre at Tienamen Square, and that it only recently admitted that it had engaged in organ harvesting of executed prisoners. There is no way to independently verify the government's data, so it can make up anything to present itself in a better light.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 09:53 AM

40. I'm amazed (not) at the responses here that are "but those foreigners".

We have a mess in our own backyard.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #40)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:26 AM

42. I am a "foreigner" where I live

I know a lot of ex-pat Chinese here in Japan, as well as Japanese who have tried to do business in China, and I had a Chinese officemate during the Tienamen Square massacre. None of them have painted a very rosy picture of life in China. Official corruption is rampant, and I'm sure the Chinese government would have no qualms about lying about the official incarceration statistics, especially considering the number of acts that are considered imprisonable offenses in China.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #42)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:05 PM

45. China does execute a lot of people.

Nobody is claiming anywhere near enough to outrank the USA as maintaining the number one gulag on the planet.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 08:21 AM

36. China Has A Simple Solution...

...for keeping those statistics low...they're called executions. According to wiki over 2,000 in 2012 (compared to 43 in the US)...and my bets those numbers are under-reported.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:43 AM

29. China may simply resolve potential imprisonment issues by execution

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:26 AM

5. USA! USA! USA!

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:38 AM

8. And what a catastrophic failure this is.

We need a general amnesty for various crimes. Seriously, an amnesty and phased reintegration with society for about 750,000 individuals. The Rockefeller "war on drugs" was the first salvo to turn this country into the world's leading jailer.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:40 AM

9. Yep, most of it is drugs

The completely failed war on drugs. There should be no jail for non-violent drug offenders. It needs to be treated as a public health problem.

Obviously the private prison industrial complex is driving much of this.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:53 AM

17. We had one year were we locked up 750,000 for WEED.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:54 AM

18. Seriously?

Nearly a million for marijuana?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:56 AM

20. It was in an article on MSNBC.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:55 AM

19. Judges don't need to be sending people off to rehab either....

That's just creating another for-profit industry.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:54 AM

25. Only about 20% is drugs, actually.

Another 20% are property. The vast majority are violent offenders like rapists, murderers, assaults, etc.

I'm not saying the drug charges are legitimate, I'm just correcting this popular myth. We should get those 20% out of jail, immediately, as they're non-violent "offenses."

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:42 AM

27. Not so fast there.

Most of the property crimes, assaults, and murders are directly related to the war on drugs. End the war on drugs, legalize non-addictive drugs and give addicts legal access to cheap narcotics, and eliminate most of the serious crime that has filled our prisons.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:55 AM

32. Do you have a citation for that?

I'd think that alcohol is responsible for most violent crime, to be honest.

edit: drug use and poverty are responsible as well. But poverty is not directly tied to the drug war nor is drug use. Those are completely different animals. If you legalized meth, for instance, there would be a shitload of really fucked addicts roaming the streets (meth is one drug I believe should be regulated and socially admonished, it's simply a nasty drug).

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 11:38 AM

43. How do you know this?

Do you have a source you can point me to? That really surprises me.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:16 AM

21. Many of those

 

those people are the poor and minorities, who don't have legal representation as much as a well off person. There are probably some innocent people in there also, that have been railroaded by the system. Justice is not equal in this country. I have found that out having been introduced to it a number of times. I was appalled to learn the State Attorney General of North Carolina only take complaints for Consumers, but not against groups or elected Officials violating State laws. A county Sheriff for example can violate anybody's rights in the State of North Carolina with very little oversight. The only investigated procedure for Law Enforcement agencies is mostly internal. It is like they are guarding the hen house. There are a lot of people hiding behind the color of law and violating Civil rights. It is a serious problem in this country.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:50 AM

24. Take out the 20% of non-violent drug offenders.

The data changes significantly:



Contrary to popular myth, American offenders are violent offenders. Non-violent offenders have been dropping since the 90s, due in large part to progressives pushing to let them go.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #24)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:43 AM

28. Again, WOD is the direct cause of most violent crime.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:58 AM

33. I looked it up, you're simply wrong:

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/crime

Control+F "violent crime." You'll see that drug arrests far outnumber violent crime and in fact most anti-drug war arguments tend to point out that drug offenders are non-violent.

If you're now going to claim that drug offenders are violent, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:02 AM

41. No my claim is that the war on drugs is a direct cause of violent crime.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:55 AM

12. FREEDUMB! FREEDUMB! FREEDUMB!

U$A! U$A! U$A!

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:07 AM

13. Hah! Take that, St. Kitts and Nevis!

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:42 AM

15. But aside from our incarceration rate we are the bestest!

You people forget the glory of shock and awe! And other great stuff.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:52 AM

16. During the Bush Years some Republican Thug bragged about giving Iraq a primo prison....

You can't free the Iraqi people unless you lock them up,...it's the American Way.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:20 AM

22. Is this what they mean when they say Freedom isn't Free?

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:44 AM

23. Cuba and Russia are 6th and 7th here.

Yet cheered on a regular basis here.

Food for thought.

Do we really care about incarceration rates or is it about US vs the world?

I frankly think an incarceration rate above 50 is shameful.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:45 AM

30. Yes we should ignore the shit going on here and focus on those foreigners,

Some of whom are still commies.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:54 AM

31. Or we could focus on shit here.

And not use those other countries as examples, in fact, if they say shit about us, we should point out their shit, too, and stop pretending they have a moral compass as which to judge us.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 08:26 AM

38. "Cheered on a regular basis"

 

This is an outright falsehood.

I have yet to see those nations cheered on DU by more than one or two outliers.

You, sir, have lost much credibility with me.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 08:08 AM

35. And now the Tea Party wants to hand off the system to corporations

Criminal justice is now an industry with profit-motive.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 08:25 AM

37. There's profit in them thar prisons

Only in America!

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 08:33 AM

39. Which is why

this is a big deal.

ACLU: How to Process Eric Holder’s Major Criminal Law Reform Speech
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023451453

As Pressure Mounts, Holder Acts on Sentencing Reform (FEATURE)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023458672

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Response to ProSense (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:17 PM

44. the racial disparities are stark

particularly in drug sentencing.

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