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Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:06 AM

Under Obama, we’re off to our best Private-Sector Job Growth since 1999 - Inform the republicans and

some on this site.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/inform-a-republican-under-obama-were-off-to-our-best-private-sector-job-growth-since-1999/

Here’s a fact most Republicans won’t want to hear—yet they can’t dispute (just ask Politifact): In the first half of 2013, we’re off to our best private-sector job growth since 1999.

Which is funny, considering all Republicans have told Americans since Obama became President was how awful he’s been for jobs. But then again, as I’ve said plenty of times, “fact” and “Republican” aren’t two words that often go together.

And despite the fact we’ve had this 14-year high in job growth for the first half of the year, Republicans continue to perpetuate this myth that President Obama has been terrible for job growth and “Obamacare” is a “jobs destroyer.”

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:31 AM

1. It is

a mixed bag. Please read this report: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.htm

We have a lot of work to do. Hours continue to drop but wages fluctuate. We also have to get people back into the workforce in full time employment, not part time areas. Also, we can't expect to grow the economy on the back of the leisure and service sector, we have to grow tech and manufacturing.
I'm not saying the President has done horrible but the picture is not rosy at all, many people are suffering needlessly and in that aspect.

He is fully to blame for not going after the banking industry. Those dollars stolen, those houses stolen have destroyed too many lives.

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Response to disidoro01 (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:41 AM

3. Can't you just celebrate him without a "but" in there for a change?

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:49 AM

5. Are you kidding me?

Celebrate illegal foreclosures that are barely reigned in? In many places not reigned in at all. People's entire retirements destroyed by bankers who are not even admonished for doing so.
If you are willing to break down the part time vs. full time work number and post them, i will cheer the president for pulling us up by our boot straps. Are you willing to criticially look at the job the president is doing?
When you put celebrate in your post, it tells me this is more about your feels or him as a personality than the job he does. That is nuts. Again not fully his fault and he hasn't been horrible but if pressure isn't applied, he won't do anything.

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Response to disidoro01 (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:46 AM

16. +100 nt

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:58 AM

7. If Progressives were happy with current achievements forever...

... we'd quickly become conservatives.

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Response to TekGryphon (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:39 AM

12. x2. And some have become such.

 

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Response to TekGryphon (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:14 AM

17. +1 nt

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:43 PM

43. since Obama is not running for anything

it would sorta be nice if the Democratic Party got some credit for those jobs, instead of just our lame duck President that many people hate.

That's why when I talked about it, I called it the "Democratic recovery". http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021566043

So it might help the whole party and not just one man.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #43)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:28 PM

75. Got it. I just hate all the hating on our President I see here. But you are right, it takes

a village.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #75)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:05 PM

98. there has long been a doom squad here

that seems to think that being a progressive means always having to see the dark side of everything. There is no prosperity in America - only poverty and misery. The "real" poverty rate? Why it is 50%, if not 75%. The "real" unemployment rate? Why it's 27%.

And sure maybe a wise-a$$ like hfojvt has a job making $30,000 a year and has some money in the bank, and he has an interstate running through his front yard and he thinks he's got it so good, but it is only a matter of time before the economy gets worse and he loses his job, or he gets really sick and gets thrown into desperate poverty. Just wait, it is gonna happen.

To them, America is always like a fleabag hotel that is on fire and in the middle of Hell's kitchen in a cess pool.

And that's on a good day.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #98)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:33 PM

136. I'm seeing that and it's very depressing. One thing I do note is that even the people

making low wages still seem to enjoy a lot of things that one would consider as being "prosperous". There would not be so many nail places if the average woman and man weren't getting manicures and pedicures on a regular basis. Everyone has a fancy assed cell phone and a computer and hair extensions and new cars are all over the road. Disney land is still packed even though it is over $100 to get into one theme park and God knows how much if you want to eat. We take our pets to the vet now, when I was a kid we never had that expense because you just never took your dog to the vet. Most people have at least basic cable and internet.

I don't live on that much money but for the life of me I never feel poor! I'm not stupid with my money like I see some people are. I always try to get the best deal for everything. The people that I know that are really poor are spending their money on drugs, alcohol, and gambling. And I am not saying they are the only poor, just the only ones I see.

That is not to say that I think our wages are OK. Far from it. And I am glad there is a growing discussion about wages now.

This place is really starting to get me down. I post something positive about our president and get wacked up side the head by 30 people! At least I'm glad I'm not that negative.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #136)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 01:13 AM

145. yeah sometimes I get bummed because of few replies

then I get replies and that seems even worse

but your post reminded me of this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023295291

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #145)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 07:02 AM

146. Thanks for that. It was an excellent post and the replies were great too.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #98)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:38 PM

139. That gloominess

you bemoan is called reality.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:45 PM

47. "Celebrate Him"

This isn't the BOG.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:30 PM

76. Don't get racked up over the trivial.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:47 PM

88. I know I plan to do that...

...as I sit here waiting to hear about an interview I had last week for a permanent full-time position. As time passes, and the phone doesn't ring, I can pretty much guess what the answer is: More temporary work for me, and self-payment of benefits and other expenses. So, hell yeah, I'm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Disclaimer: As I said in a reply downthread, I'm not pissing on Obama: I'm just seeing things as they are, and I apologize if I can't join in the cheering over a "recovery" that is anemic at best and practically non-existent at worst.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:20 PM

68. As someone who's fiance was one of those that had her family home of three generations

stolen by the banks, the answer is not just no, but hell no. Obama has done nothing to punish those responsible for this rape of the American people. So I'm not about to sing his praises for a bunch of shitty-ass, part-time, low-wage "jobs" being created on his watch. Whoo fucking hoo. Economic slavery for everyone!

Oh and that whole NSA spying thing. Yeah, way to go Obama.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #68)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:08 PM

140. That situation is HORRIBLE

But would you rather have Obama or Romney? Those were our only choices in the 2012 election, and frankly Obama was the better choice by FAR. I've been very un easy about Obama lately ( due to the spying by the NSA) but then I received a nearly 300 dollar rebate (due to Obamacare) next to the 850 dollar one we received last year ( my family was REALLY being screwed by the insurance company we were with) and it made me pretty thankful that Romney is not our current president. I wouldn't have all this extra money in my pocket if Romney was POTUS as well as a score of other things. When you think about it, as far as presidents go, things could be A LOT worse!

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:26 PM

107. Would you hungry and unemployed people just shut the hell up? We are trying to have a goddamn

party over here!

Stupid 47% 'ers. They should be grateful, but no.

You go, Maraya!!

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:57 PM

131. Celebrate him? Are you serious?

Really?

Should we bake him a cake? I thought he couldn't really do anything, He's not a dictator or a god ya know....that's what we get told every time he and washington moves to the right. Then he's impident. But a bunch of half time job gets added and you want us to throw him a party.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #131)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 07:08 AM

148. Do you like to make fun of people? Like to laugh at them? Does it make you feel superior?

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #148)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 08:05 AM

149. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to send you off to ignore so I don't do anything more to upset your fragile little world.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:34 PM

137. No.

The President of the United States is just the chief executive officer of one branch of government and an employee of the American people, not the Messiah.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #137)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 07:07 AM

147. Oh for the love of God have you ever been to a birthday "CELEBRATION"!

I am getting so I can't stand this place. Haters all over the place just looking to stomp on other people.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #147)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:43 PM

153. Naw,

nothing that fancy. I just go to birthday parties. Usually, when those who took your word don't trust you anymore, there's a reason, and it's not about hate.

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Response to disidoro01 (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:53 AM

20. Copy that ^^^

 

Well said.

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Response to disidoro01 (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:01 PM

115. Agreed

we can all keep the rosy glasses on and celebrate a bunch of low pay part time jobs or we can insist that something really helpful be done.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:41 AM

2. All I can say is that somebody in many places has money to spend. The malls are full,

the restaurants are full, the grocery stores are full, Walmarts are full and I see more people spending money on vacations, family outings etc. The airlines are making a sinful amount of money on luggage both hand carry and other. The pharmacies have lines and on-line business for pharmaceuticals is booming. AND corporations are making record profits with huge increases over an already high base from last year. Oh, and there are so many automobiles on the road there are traffic jams every morning. (And no one wants to hear that or deficits have been slashed)

So what is the real problem with the economy? Nothing but Obama being in office.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:44 AM

4. I was at Costco Saturday and it was so crowded I was annoyed. And I'm in SW Florida, a tourist

destination and snowbird home. We get a big influx of people for the winter. I can just imagine what it's going to be like.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:25 PM

124. I mean really, can you believe it?

People spending their money on food! Who EVER woulda thought??

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:56 AM

6. This is

a small view. You see full stores in your area and that means the economy is going full bore? Corporations are raking in money but not much reaches the working poor. Class disparity continues to grow unabated.
Costs continue to grow and because I point out that things are not great, I have a problem.
Please read the BLS report for a better view.

So, people are using cash or debit in all of these stores you are in? Any chance they are using credit. Annualized growth in CC balances are around 10%.

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Response to disidoro01 (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:32 AM

9. +1000

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Response to disidoro01 (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:13 AM

18. I never said there aren't big problems in this country still and as far as our economy and our

humanity the wage disparity is the worst. But I also see fast food workers walking out and Walmart workers walking out and other small signs that this too is going to pass.

Because there are still problems in our society does not mean we have to take a partial view all the time and only look at our society with a black lens.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:33 AM

19. who's

taking the partial view? geez

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:32 PM

78. Everyone that comes on here daily and rags on Obama!

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #78)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:04 PM

117. well,

is this a political discussion group or a Democratic fan club?

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Response to moonlady0623 (Reply #117)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:14 PM

135. It's getting absurd is what it is.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:17 AM

8. What's the real problem with the economy?

It's not "nothing more than Obama being in office". It's that the "recovery" is taking us into a more harsh plutocracy.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:33 AM

10. I attend a yearly event,

 

that usually sports 12,000 to 15,000 well it was no surprise to me when just a little over 9,000 show up, most tell me they don't have the money to spend. that tells me cash is still tight. Must be those well meaning Minimum wage jobs cause I don't see it on my level. Supermarkets will always have people in them, Cloths are still a necessity, I don't shop at wally world, so I can't say anything about them. But Most of My friends and family are still Damned near broke and trying to get by. I call B.S. and say Minimum wage jobs are not enough.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:34 AM

11. you

are not right. geez

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:41 AM

13. x2 n/t

 

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:43 AM

14. Important if true. But your experience is at odds with what many people can see with lying eyes.

 

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:10 PM

26. Quote: "So what is the real problem with the economy?"

 

Job growth is primarily in the low-paying service sector, and Obama so far is not leading on the minimum wage issue. He paid lip service in 2010, saying he'd work to raise it above $11/hr in 2011 (nada). Then in January of this year, more lip service, and astonishingly, only suggesting $9 / hr.

So our middle class' earnings, in Real Dollars, continue to shrink; and about the only thing growing the GDP is population and inflation. No real policies advanced which do anything other than create some jobs, for a time (until the spending ends).

The cause of the problem, IMO, is Obama has surrounded himself with Capitalists, i.e. Geithner and others like him. So the emphasis remains focused on income from Capital, which is having a hey-day, and not income from Labor, which continues a dangerous downward trend. I wish Obama would at least do what Clinton did: listen to folks like Reich and Stieglitz, at least half the time.

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Response to Koios (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:17 PM

28. The problem

is that fucking repukes refuse to have anything to do with passing a jobs bill.

Grow the fuck up.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:26 PM

30. I'm grown up ...

 

Now then, presidents are elected to lead. Reagan did, and Tip O'Neill ate crow. Clinton did, and Newt Gingrich had to look for a day job.

Obama is not leading on this issue. And his key economic advisors are all Wall Street Capitalists, in case you're wondering why income from Capital is doing just fine, and in fact thriving, while the middle class sucks wind.

So if Obama were to do more than merely give lip service to a higher FMW, maybe blaming Republicans (a word more nauseating than "repukes") would be okay. But even then, why could Reagan whip the great Tip O'Neill, and Clinton whip Gingrich after the uber successful Contract With American strategy? Answer: LEAD!! Play hard ball. Do not flinch first in the game of chicken. Grow a pair, Mr. President, and do what elected you to do. Change stuff. Don't just talk about change. That's campaigning, and not leading as president.

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Response to Koios (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:32 PM

31. Welcome to DU!

Sorry you got a sour reception, we're not every one of us that nasty.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #31)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:39 PM

40. Great to be here ...

 

Thanks, Fumesucker. And no sweat on some crap being flung in my direction. One of the nice things about being grown up is we can handle it.

Best,

-K

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Response to Koios (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:34 PM

80. Excellent point, and I also extend a welcome to you.

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Response to Koios (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:50 PM

129. I agree with fumesucker.

Welcome to DU, I see you've encountered the happy bunch. I hope you stay, there are a lot of good folk here.



-p

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:32 PM

79. Your foul mouth detracts from any point of view you wish to express.

It's not that I'm personally shocked by obscene language - it's just a fact that spouting the F word does not strengthen your post. We do not operate on a "Whomever shouts the loudest, or spouts the most obscenities, wins the debate." And you also lower the general tone of the board.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:39 PM

81. I agree with you. We have a congress that is still intent on ruining this president and will ruin

the country to do so. They have blocked all jobs bills, including one put forth from the president to stop tax breaks for companies sending work overseas.

People here are so quick to through our own under the bus. Obama is not the enemy. And if you lose sight of who your enemy is you will lost the war.

Then again as I am writing this I think maybe the repukes have been winning. They have got so many democrats to turn against one another. They wanted to ruin this president and all you have to do is look at DU to see that it is working.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #81)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:55 PM

94. Obama's not the enemy ...

 

... but he may not be the friend we think him to be.

Obamacare, so called, maybe gets a pass, even if it is little more than a gift to private insurers, with scant price containment mechanisms. The Scott Brown debacle in MA was a game-changer, and grabbing onto the junk Senate-passed bill may have been the best last option, even if a Blue Dog/Lieberman piece of junk based on Romneycare, which itself came from the righty think-tank, Heritage Foundation, was all the bill was. But, Obama caved too easily to insurance industry lobbyists, and did not fight nearly strong enough for the Public Option.

Meanwhile, TARP funds were distributed no-strings attached, since Obama bonded most closely with Geithner, and sidelined non-Wall Street economists, such as Robert Reich. And Geithner still remains Obama's closest advisor, and is a pure Wall Street income from Capital guy. So while paying lip service to the Minimum Wage, Obama is working overtime to lower Corporate Taxes and grow income from Capital, which is not just channeling Bush 43, but doing him one better.

And FTLG, he lobbied strongly to extend Bush Tax Cuts, and did not repeal them as promised in 2008.

The spying program has been scaled up, and not shut down as promised.

We need change. We need to demand change. Talking about change during an election changes nothing.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:49 PM

90. Enough blame to go around here, from where I sit. n/t

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Response to Koios (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:36 PM

36. +1

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:34 PM

35. Booming 'retail' is not a booming 'economy'

Where are the huge infrastructure projects and large manufacturing and service contracts putting people to work?

When's the last time a mall added sq footage to accommodate growing population? How many people in your neighborhood have a savings acct?

A new WalMart, a cheesy apartment complex, and 3 new fast foods restaurants doesn't tell much of a story..other than people using expendable cash and credit for food, clothing and shelter.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #35)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:03 PM

59. Hmmm ...

 

In truth, Walmarts and fast food joints are on the rise, because they serve markets with less disposable income. Walmart obviously is the choice of folks on tighter budgets. Fast food, too, has evolved to a point that it feeds a family more cheaply than healthy foods at the grocery store. Moreover, with dual incomes needed to barely make ends meet, preparing a healthy family dinner is often not an option.

We need to raise wages; it worked once before. Once was a time that common labor in factories was the burger flipper of its day. Then they demanded more pay, for less work even (5 day work week). Now we miss those jobs, which is stupid in fact. What we really miss is their paychecks. Raise service worker pay to a level that small businesses can thrive selling stuff to workers, and problem solved.

In short, our value is not the work we do, per se. It's what we make, and spent back into the economy. Proof of that is in the fact that we haven't least bit of problem getting work done; in fact, there's a glut of people wanting to do the work. The problem is too few customers coming into store, and spending their paychecks.

And the irony is, no fancy Billion Dollar spending programs are needed. Just change the law, from $7.25 to about $12 / hr. And since that would move people from "working poor" to "tax payers," government in fact would get more money, and not spend more money, on Band-Aid nonsense (creates jobs only as long as the spending lasts). Conversely, a higher wage minimum is self sustaining; it raises consumption, and actually grows the market that Capitalist invest in. If enterprises have a market for their stuff, Capitalist flock to invest in them faster than cops respond to a hold up at Dunkin Donuts.

Grow the middle class, and all else prospers right along with it. But we're doing stuff exactly backward. Focus on Capital, as if somehow investors will willy-nilly invest it, without regard for whether they're a customer out there who can buy whatever it is they're selling.

It's just plain stupid, and pure supply-side hogwash, which Obama has fallen victim of.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:45 AM

15. Mostly shitty part time jobs.

Absolutely nothing to brag about

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:07 PM

24. The third wayers are grasping at straws

at this point.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:59 AM

21. This is what Rmoney was figuring would happen ...so he could take credit for it.

In other words ...this was going to happen no matter who the POTUS was or is.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:09 PM

25. right

and romshit would have sent a lot of these 'shitty' jobs to other countries and further impoverished americans. Doesn't matter in this case. Yes a job is a job, but can a person making a non livable wage cover costs for rent payments, utilities, kids clothes(even from salvation army stores ect) food, gasoline, car note, insurance, and the myriad hidden costs of living in this society? HELL NO!!!! Real manufacturing has to be regained by american policy makers and corporations which will never happen. Those two entities care nothing about the citizen where the 'bottom line' is concerned.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:01 PM

22. First Quarter Of 2013 Saw Largest Wage Drop Ever

The first three months of 2013 saw wages fall 3.8 percent – the largest drop in hourly pay in the 65-year history of that statistic – despite an increase in worker productivity. With high unemployment freeing employers from fears that their employees will turn elsewhere, the U.S. recovery has been marked by a decoupling of rising productivity from stagnant wages.

The gloomy milestone partly reflects the predominance of low-wage service jobs in the slow, steady streak of job growth since the recession. Increasing the minimum wage, as progressives in Congress hope to do, could help counter downward wage pressures at the bottom of the earnings ladder.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/06/07/2121581/first-quarter-of-2013-saw-largest-wage-drop-ever/

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:33 PM

32. Why can't you just celebrate Him?



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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #32)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:34 PM

33. I try, but..

...things keep tripping me up

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #33)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:37 PM

38. With

 


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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:09 PM

100. Move along, nothing to see here. n/t

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:04 PM

23. Employers are capping wage workers at 25 hours

now to ensure no one is close to 30 hours.

The economy is worse off while wall street is better off. Shocked I tell you.


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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:12 PM

27. Republican response: Worst President ever - Total Failure

Whenever they mention Obama, they always fallow-up with some statement about him being a failure or worst President.


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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:40 PM

41. He Can't Be Viewed As A Success...

...cause any credit he's given refutes some previous rushpublican action. If the economy improves, it puts a light on the abuses that occured under the dubya regime...or if he removes troops from Afghanistan or Iraq that highlights the illegal invasions, poor planning and overall criminality of the previous regime. The perception must be that things are bad or worse despite facts that prove otherwise if the rushpublicans are to ever have any chance to win elections...

Cheers...

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:42 PM

82. And when some others and I try and fight that meme all we get is ripped apart the same way the rip

Obama apart.

I think some people are just miserable and like to spread it around.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #82)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 10:32 AM

151. Obama's

administration is, even as a President who has continued some of bushmonkey's policies, light years ahead of the previous administration. Yet he has proven himself a typical politician in that he promised and did not deliver. Yes I voted for him, twice, but I am disappointed in his appointments, his clintonesque cabinet, his 'compromises'. Yes, he has had an uphill climb since gaining office but he has stopped climbing in my opinion. I know all politicians promise the universe, yet only deliver a planet. Hey, I'm a political realist. Been that way from the beginning, will be that way till the end......yet in spite of the RW obstruction and obvious racism, I wish our President wouldn't have been so worried about being seen as an angry black man. Hell, by 47% who voted for romshit, he's seen as that and worse. So this term he should have had that asshole boner in his office, making him piss him self with fear of 'the man'. Reid, the same thing. Pelosi, same thing, Feinstein, oh wait, she and her hubby are too rich from from profit made off bush's illegal war to worry about our President's anger. No I wanted a tiger, to me it seem we got a cute little house tabby. Sorry, if that's too harsh, just the way I see it. If no better alternative showed up, like Dr. Elizabeth Warren, and Obama could run for another term, I'd have to vote for him again, not without reservation.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:25 PM

29. This economy sucks. Obama's economic policies are destroying America.

The jobs being created now pay much less than the jobs that were lost during the crashes. And the benefits are worse.

During the past decade the whole economy has been restructured in the interests of the super rich.

Working class families have lost income and lost value in their homes and other investments, like college degrees.

Obama is a god damn two-faced smooth talking salesman for the 1%. His polices are openly hostile to working class and middle class people in this country.

"Entitlement Reform".
Secretive "free trade" deals.
Bail outs for Wall Street while main street goes bust.
"Foaming the runway" for the banks by allowing them to destroy people's lives.

Can't you just celebrate him ?
#post3

Surely you jest.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:38 PM

39. "Obama's economic policies are destroying America."



Very good satire of a leftwing Teabagger.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #39)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:43 PM

44. Too bad it's real huh




I thought tea-bagger was used to refer to the tea-party people ?

So what's a leftwing teasbagger?

Also why am seeing your posts

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #44)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:47 PM

48. No, it's a deranged, nutjob kind of statement that no sane, informed person would make.

What kind of person says that Obama is destroying America?

Allen West.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/post/allen-west-obamas-economic-policies-are-destroying-the-black-community/2012/05/04/gIQA71S11T_blog.html

David Limbaugh

http://townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/2012/07/10/is_president_obama_intentionally_destroying_america/page/full

Glenn Beck

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/19/is-barack-obama-destroying-america-in-an-attempt-to-create-fairness/

Sarah Palin

http://gothamist.com/2012/11/07/sarah_palin_tells_everyone_this_ele.php

Bill O'Reilly

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/bill-oreilly-unleashed-obamas-policies-could-destroy-the-entire-economic-infrastructure-of-the-country-video/

Ben Carson



Pat Boone:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/pat-boone-obama-purposely-destroying-america/





That's the kind of person who claims Obama and his policies are destroying America--crazy wingnuts. It's also part of the nutjob narrative that Obama is some kind of trojan horse designed to destroy America from within.


I believe that explains the leftwing Teabagger line.

Again, congrats on spoofing those nutjobs with your satire! Because only crazy people believe Obama is destroying America--no exceptions.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #48)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:00 PM

58. I really don't like or trust Obama at all.

But for entirely different reasons than Sarah Palin and Bill O'Reilly.

Too bad you just lump anybody who dislikes Obama into the teabagger category.

It's overly simplistic and intellectually dishonest.


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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:04 PM

60. It's one thing to not like him, another to make insane statements about him.

Most republicans dislike him, but only their nutjobs claim Obama is destroying America.

it's simply something that sane people do not believe. It is unfortunate that you make statements that sound like they came out of the mouth of Allen West and Glenn Beck, reflecting a similar thought process of insane hatred towards the President.

By all means, ask Skinner if "Obama's policies are destroying America" is the kind of rhetoric he wants to encourage around here.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #60)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:22 PM

69. Look closer and learn how to read? Obama's economic policies are destroying America.

This economy sucks. Obama's economic policies are destroying America.

The jobs being created now pay much less than the jobs that were lost during the crashes. And the benefits are worse.

During the past decade the whole economy has been restructured in the interests of the super rich.

Working class families have lost income and lost value in their homes and other investments, like college degrees.

Obama is a god damn two-faced smooth talking salesman for the 1%. His polices are openly hostile to working class and middle class people in this country.

"Entitlement Reform".
Secretive "free trade" deals.
Bail outs for Wall Street while main street goes bust.
"Foaming the runway" for the banks by allowing them to destroy people's lives.

Can't you just celebrate him ?

#post3

Surely you jest.


If you think this is coming the same attitude as Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin then you don't understand the first thing about American history, politics or economy.


Your "leftwing teabagger" comment is a divisive concocted fantasy. It's designed to confuse people and is basically saying that anybody who dislikes Obama must be nuts, or maybe racist

Obama is a two-faced spokesman for corporate America. He plays the good cop while the gop plays the bad cop. Either way, the American people lose.



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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #69)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:32 PM

70. A distinction truly without a difference. How else would he destroy America?

And it's still something only the batshit insane would say.

Not everyone who dislikes Obama is nuts. But the ones who say he and his actions/policies are destroying America ARE nuts, insane, batshit, crazy, loons, kooks, etc.


With no exceptions.

They make Ted Cruz and Rand Paul look well-adjusted.


Michelle Bachmann got fact-checked for making your argument.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/23/politics/truth-squad-bachmann-economy

"President Obama has embraced a view of government-directed temporary fixes and gimmicks. They don't work. He's destroyed the economy."

-- Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, during Thursday night's Republican presidential debate on Fox News.
The verdict:

False.


Go sit next to Alex Jones

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&safe=active&q=obama+destroying+america+alex+jones&oq=obama+destroying+america+alex+jones&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30.35101.36801.3.36942.13.11.1.0.0.0.250.1529.1j3j4.8.0....0...1c.1.23.psy-ab..21.28.5494.jX3cZy3fhwI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.50165853,d.dmg&fp=9fb4aa7b22681b82&biw=1280&bih=773

Last word is yours, since rational discussion is not possible with you:

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #70)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:42 PM

71. Your comments are completely ignorant and simplistic, and/or are designed to confuse people.

These policies are destroying America:

"Entitlement Reform".
Secretive "free trade" deals.
Bail outs for Wall Street while main street goes bust.
"Foaming the runway" for the banks by allowing them to destroy people's lives.


The teabaggers/fox news also thinks Obama is destroying America, but in an entirely different way.

They think he is a Kenyan socialist who wants to destroy America by turning it gay and giving everyone food stamps and free cell phones.

That is actually crazy.

That's a totally different way of destroying America that is really just a right wing fantasy.


Your comments lump legitimate dislike and distrust of Obama in with crazy hatred of Obama that is coming from the opposite political perspective.





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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #71)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:42 PM

127. Well said

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #48)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:48 PM

112. You should add the Bureau of Labor Statistics to that list. If they continue putting out the stuff

they publish the whole nation will be nothing but renters with a few part-time jobs.

I don't know about these people you listed (frankly, the only time I hear what they say is you and others re-publish their work here. I lost enough brain cells in the 60's and 70's, so I can't really afford to spend any time with them). But I do read every table and every page of every BLS report, and they make these policies look TERRIBLE!!

I mean, look at the totals so far this year...ALL of this is from the BLS! Nothing, NOT A WORD, about how grateful people should be for the scraps they get.

"Full time jobs? Down 240,000. And looking back at the entire year, so far in 2013, just 130K Full-Time Jobs have been added, offset by a whopping 557K Part-Time jobs"

Here.



Oh, sure, some want to blame it on Obamacare, but the BLS has been reporting the loss in full-time jobs for a lot longer than that, so it's clearly NOT just Obamacare. Do they think we are stupid? Do they think we don't know that there there are over 5,000,000 (yeah, million) less full-time jobs than we had in 2007, while the population has grown by 14,000,000 (yeah, million) people, with most of the effort in the economy going to help banks stay weatlhy, because that is GOOD for us? Do they think we can't read?

It would look a LOT better if the BLS would quit publishing their job statistics, I think.

Now I'm gonna go have coffee, 'cause tea sucks.



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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #112)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:49 PM

113. The BLS said that Obama is destroying America? nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #113)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:02 PM

116. Don't know, did they? They did, exactly as I wrote, publish numbers that, if the trend continues,


will lead to worsening poverty, infrastructure that continues to deteriorate, and nearly overwhelming inequality between the few wealthy and the rest, which will lead to the destruction of democracy for scores of Americans.

In the reality-based America I live in, that means unless the direction is reversed it will not survive.




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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #116)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:09 PM

119. They published numbers that show some clearly worrying trends in the economy.

They did not blame those trends on Obama's policies, nor did they say these trends would destroy America.

Because they're sane.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #119)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:15 PM

121. Wow. Thanks for the insight. And, I say this because I care, there are many brands of


decaffeinated coffee that are just as tasty as the real thing.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #121)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:17 PM

122. You're the one who jumped in claiming that the BLS said that Obama

was destroying America. Sorry you had to retreat from that claim, tail between legs.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #122)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:30 AM

142. As far as tail mine is up, but you will have to check elsewhere for your interests. It's spoken for.

And, btw, it was the post AFTER mine, (Hint, since it seems needed -> It was yours <- ) that wrote your words.

I said if we keep on with a trend of replacing full-time jobs with part-time jobs as we have been doing since, roughly, early 2009, it will destroy democracy, and the country. And that is the case, until someone quits pointing fingers and stands up like a leader to fix it. Which doesn't mean making bankers richer, an apparently popular partisan belief.

They may not believe that on planet-where-ever-the-fuck-it-is (are your Internet charges outrageous?) but the rest of us in the real world with real hunger, homelessness, and unemployment are living it right now. It is getting worse for a lot of people, and unless they can recover, millions will be entering the next 10 years or more facing poverty.









But thanks for playing, rocket man.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #142)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:32 AM

143. If you're looking to debate someone who

thinks the current reality is sustainable or even acceptable, sorry not that person.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #143)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 01:11 AM

144. Nope. n/t

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #44)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:25 PM

106. Just another village idiot who pretends to be more clever than those around him

"So what's a leftwing teasbagger?"

Just another village idiot who pretends to be more clever than those around him during his prophecies of a post-apocalyptic, dystopian fortune reading...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #106)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:37 PM

108. It's just a way of saying if you don't worship Obama you must be a teabagger.



Why can't you just celebrate him?

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:14 PM

64. +1 Well said

Time for the some hard, cold truth.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #64)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:56 PM

74. "Obama's policies are destroying America."



You must subscribe to the Orly Taitz concept of 'truth.'

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #64)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:48 PM

89. Another one who missed the Free Republic exit.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:44 PM

85. I think you missed a turn. Free Republic is on another website.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #85)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:24 PM

104. Right because anybody who dislikes Obama's policies is a teabagger

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:34 PM

34. The catch

 

All the wages are super low...


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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:37 PM

37. ugh. obama's abysmal record on jobs just barely better than bush's which was the worst in the

 

post-war era

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #37)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:40 PM

42. Except that Bush inherited a good economy and Obama inherited the worst economy

any President's been stuck with in 80 years.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #42)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:44 PM

45. Don't confuse me with the facts.

I'd rather rant™.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #42)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:45 PM

46. Is that why he's kept so many of Bush's key people?

Hoping they'll fix things?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #46)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:49 PM

49. Which Bush economic advisors did he retain? nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #49)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:51 PM

50. none. n/t

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #50)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:52 PM

51. Doh!

Not everything you read at DU is true, apparently.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #49)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:53 PM

52. Are you serious?

Bernanke? Summers? Geithner?

Hello?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #52)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:55 PM

53. Bernanke is the Fed chairman and they cannot be removed once they are appointed

Summers and Geithner were not Bush advisors.



You really need to educate yourself.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #53)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:58 PM

54. Riiiiiiiiight n/t

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #53)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:58 PM

55. Obama re-appointed Bernanke

but you are right that Summers and Geithner were not Bush advisers.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #55)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:00 PM

57. True....but the Fed chairman is not an advisor.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #52)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:59 PM

56. Summers was never a Bush advisor.

Bush didn't appoint Geithner.

Bernanke:

So here’s my question: Will it make any difference that Ben Bernanke has now joined the ranks of the hippies?

Earlier this week, Mr. Bernanke delivered testimony that should have made everyone in Washington sit up and take notice. True, it wasn’t really a break with what he has said in the past or, for that matter, with what other Federal Reserve officials have been saying, but the Fed chairman spoke more clearly and forcefully on fiscal policy than ever before — and what he said, translated from Fedspeak into plain English, was that the Beltway obsession with deficits is a terrible mistake.

First of all, he pointed out that the budget picture just isn’t very scary, even over the medium run: “The federal debt held by the public (including that held by the Federal Reserve) is projected to remain roughly 75 percent of G.D.P. through much of the current decade.”

He then argued that given the state of the economy, we’re currently spending too little, not too much: “A substantial portion of the recent progress in lowering the deficit has been concentrated in near-term budget changes, which, taken together, could create a significant headwind for the economic recovery.”

Finally, he suggested that austerity in a depressed economy may well be self-defeating even in purely fiscal terms: “Besides having adverse effects on jobs and incomes, a slower recovery would lead to less actual deficit reduction in the short run for any given set of fiscal actions.”

So the deficit is not a clear and present danger, spending cuts in a depressed economy are a terrible idea and premature austerity doesn’t make sense even in budgetary terms. Regular readers may find these propositions familiar, since they’re pretty much what I and other progressive economists have been saying all along. But we’re irresponsible hippies. Is Ben Bernanke? (Well, he has a beard.)

The point is not that Mr. Bernanke is an unimpeachable source of wisdom; one hopes that the collapse of Alan Greenspan’s reputation has put an end to the practice of deifying Fed chairmen. Mr. Bernanke is a fine economist, but no more so than, say, Columbia’s Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel laureate and legendary economic theorist whose vocal criticism of our deficit obsession has nonetheless been ignored. No, the point is that Mr. Bernanke’s apostasy may help undermine the argument from authority — nobody who matters disagrees! — that has made the elite obsession with deficits so hard to dislodge.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/opinion/krugman-ben-bernanke-hippie.html

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #56)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:10 PM

61. Oops. I meant Sheila Bair

Sry about that

Why aren't you out celebrating the great economy?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #61)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:11 PM

62. what about Sheila Bair?

Going on vacation in five days--will celebrate then.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #62)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:13 PM

63. A Bush person Obama kept n/t

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #63)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:15 PM

65. Huh?

1) She was appointed to a five year term in 2006, and left in 2011.

2) She was much better while in office than some of Obama's actual appointees, such as the aforementioned Summers and Geithner.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #65)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:18 PM

66. Go celebrate the great economy!

I asked if Obama kept so many Bush people in hopes of improving the bad economy you claim he inherited.

Apparently you're not sure what his motives were and are
That's okay

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #66)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:19 PM

67. He didn't 'keep' Bair as an advisor. She was appointed to a five year term that expired after he

took office.

That's like saying he 'kept' Scalia on the Supreme Court.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #42)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:43 PM

84. except that 5 years after 1929, job growth was higher than it is today.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #84)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:45 PM

86. All the way down to 21%. Woo hoo!!!!

Note that it went up sharply after 1937, btw.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #86)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:46 PM

87. the percent of job creation, starting in 1933 (4 years on) was significantly higher than it is today

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #87)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:51 PM

92. Apples and oranges comparison.

Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 25%. It then fell to 21% or so in 1934, stayed at above 15% every year until WWII, with the exception of 1937 where it dipped to 14.8%.

You're telling me that FDR being in office 7 years and only knocking 4% of the unemployment rate is a grand success?





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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #37)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:51 PM

93. We were losing 800,000 jobs a month when he took office. And Obama is barely better than bush?

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #93)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:40 PM

126. that's the comparison the OP made. Obama has the best record on job creation since -- uh --

 

George Bush 2. (2000).

whoop de doo break out the champagne.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:51 PM

72. I see the same old nay sayers

Seems like it's not only the republicans that don't want to hear any good news about jobs, it's the same old DU crowd that always seems to jump in, take over any threads that have some good news, and go about trashing the president!

It really is insane when people who claim to be democrats can't say anything nice about the president, all they can do is attack him.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #72)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:43 PM

83. What kind of jobs are being created?

Or does that matter? If a job is low paying and part time and/or temporary, then I really don't consider that progress. It's not being a bad Democrat, or trashing Obama, or siding with the GOP: It's called seeing it for what it really is.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #83)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:57 PM

95. Why aren't all you people bitching at the CEO's and other executive that are stealing the wages?

You bitch about Obama but the real thieves you say nothing about!

They could fix this in congress by making the CEO's and executives only make a certain percentage of the workers but I see republicans stomping up and down on it on the house floor.

California is making Walmart and other companies pay back the money that the state pays to supplement their workers.

Find an answer for this problem because this is the problem.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #95)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:07 PM

99. Gee, I thought that those I voted for would do **their** jobs and crack down on these criminals.

Do you not agree that most of the jobs that have been created have been those that will not provide a decent standard of living? We're supposed to be happy because the numbers look better?

And note: CEOs and other execs could give a flying FUCK what I think. I'm too busy trying to find meaningful, honest work in this so-called "improving" economy.



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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #83)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:40 PM

109. Well

If a person has run out of unemployment I am sure that they want just about any job they can get. The president, and the democrats, want to raise the national minimum wage, is that so bad? My nephew just went back to work as and equipment operator for $35.00 an hour, not to bad if you ask me.

And who's fault is it that things are so bad? Seems like the last president, George W. Bush, made a hell of a mess out of this country. Took it to the eye of disaster, and then left that mess for president Obama to fix, and like or not, he has been fixing it. Sure it could be better, but with republicans in control of the house, fighting everything he wants to do, not passing any jobs bills, and doing their best to sell everything off to their rich donors, I think the president has done pretty damned good!

Now as for the "seeing it as it really is comment", thats fine, but if all people here can do is trash the president, say he is a total failure, just like Bush and Reagan, blame him for everything that is going wrong instead of admitting those nasty republicans have a lot to do with the problems, and NEVER have anything good to say, I still say they aren't very good democrats! When they spout right wing talking points, libertarian talking points or the Paulbot talking points, again, not very good democrats, liberals or progressives if you ask me!

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #109)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:32 PM

125. Job figures should come with asterisks.

Because as much as you try to spin all this "progress," the fact of the matter is that a majority of the jobs that have been created are below subsistence level. That's been pointed out here and elsewhere ad nauseam. And as I noted in another post upthread, there is enough blame on BOTH sides of the aisle for this mess, as BOTH sides continue to pander to those who have the most influence in this country, and I'm not talking about you, me, or your nephew.

Congrats on his pay rate, by the way. I'm a temporary full-time worker who won't return to the job until October. I'm hoping to get some kind of raise then, but it won't be anywhere near $35 an hour, I can guarantee you that.

By all means cheer the job numbers. But all some of us ask is that you be honest about what they truly represent. That is all we're asking. But what I'm seeing here in some of these responses is akin to Marie Antoinette's cake reference.

And does being a "good Democrat" call for blind allegiance? Sorry, I'm not part of any group that demands that.

Thanks, though, for the civil reply.



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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #125)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:01 PM

133. You have your choice

We all do, but I for one am no part of a bunch of doom and bloomers who only want to see the bad, never the good. If you want change how do you go about it? The president won't be running again, but next year a lot of people need to decide who they want in charge of congress. Sure to many they are all the same, but do you really think things can get any better if republicans continue to control the house, or if they also take control of the Senate? As I have sated that president wants to raise the minimum wage but can he do that if republicans control things?

Think about the state governments. In Washington state we have a minimum wage of $9.19. That may not be great, but it's better than many states especially those with republicans running things. Do you not think that in order to get the changes you want, higher wages, it would be a better chance if democrats were in charge and not republicans? If you have democrats that aren't working for the people, then vote for someone else who will.

I do not idolize anyone. The president has made sure that my daughter who has a pre-existing condition can get health insurance that she can afford. I appreciate that, but I do not idolize him. I do not agree with everything he has done, but all in all he is by far better than any republican, and a hell of a lot better than George W. Bush was.

I know people have it tough these days, I see it all the time. I see people that have a hard time paying their bills, but I also have seen some of them doing much better and can now catch up on those bills simply because they did find a job. As I said it could be a hell of a lot better, but not as long as republicans continue to fight every bill that might help the people and not the corporations, and that goes for some democrats that are doing the same thing. As I said the only way to change things is to vote in new people who will work for the people. It won't be easy but if we don't try, if we don't have some hope nothing will change.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #72)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:50 PM

91. It's a pathology.

I approach DU sometimes as I would if I were a person interacting with a relative or associate suffering from some sort of mental distress.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #91)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:15 PM

102. There is

that. It's called ODS.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #91)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:43 PM

111. I feel the same way at times.

Wouldn't be so bad if once in a blue moon the nay sayers would actually say the president do something good, but constant trashing is just plain pathetic. Take over every thread that gives credit to the president for the good he has done, is also pathetic.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #111)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:15 PM

120. well, can you

list a few Somethings Good from oh say the last 6 months? Particularly something good that would actually benefit We the People? I voted for hope and change in 2008. It didn't happen.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #72)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:10 PM

101. their job is to bring everyone down to their level

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Criticizing is expected but, stupid attacks on PBO's Birthday greeting thread and blinders and denial on the good that has happened when the facts are presented is way beyond criticizing .. it's just nasty mean shit.

I don't expect them to "say anything nice" but, the gratuitious venom is what says everything about them and nothing about the President.

And, reeks of an agenda other than Democratic Principles.

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Response to Cha (Reply #101)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:07 PM

134. I hear you

"I don't expect them to "say anything nice" but, the gratuitious venom is what says everything about them and nothing about the President."

Exactly. It seems like some here can only spew that venom no matter what, and that's pathetic. When they have to come in and highjack threads about the good the president has done, and spew their doom and gloom, yet get mad as hell when someone comes into one of their "anti Obama trashing threads" and actually says something positive, it really does say a lot about the poster.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #134)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:56 PM

141. ..

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #72)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:42 PM

110. What's even more insane is when somebody tries to pass off

low wage, part time McJobs as something we should be celebrating. Sorry, but we can do better than this. Way better.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #110)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:49 PM

114. Sure we can do better

And if I am not mistaken the president and democrats are trying to raise the national minimum wage, but as long as democrats control the house, do you think that can happen? If democrats don't get out and vote in 2014 and you end up with a republicans, or worse yet teabaggers in charge of not only the house, but the senate, do you think things will get better? Do you think there will be more high paying jobs?

President Obama has accomplished a lot, and he doesn't get on TV everyday and brag about it, but when someone here on a board that is supposed to support democrats comes on to a thread that actually points how how much good has been accomplished, and then the same old gang of "doom and bloomers" jump and and take over the thread posting nothing but negative crap, well that's pathetic!

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #114)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:19 PM

123. it's that Reality shit

that keeps ripping the paper bag off my head. I know plenty of folks who have sparkly eyes over Obama and don't believe he could ever do wrong. I find that to be immature idol worship. No President is all powerful, no President can accomplish all the campaign promises, I get that. But to celebrate *MORE JOBS!!!!* when in fact they are low paying part time dead end jobs that used to be where teenagers and folks wanting to earn a little extra went, while my adult children struggle to make ends meet with multiple part time jobs and low paying jobs, is complete denial to me. It mostly keeps Democrats from demanding that something be done!

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Response to moonlady0623 (Reply #123)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:44 PM

128. Here is some reality

Yes pays is low but in reality the president and democrats want to increase the national minimum wage. Not good enough for you?

In reality people who no longer have unemployment can find work, it may not be as much as they want, but with no other income it will help. Don't you agree?

In reality the republicans are the ones who have stopped any bill from passing that would create jobs. Have you not seen that?

In reality you can actually go to any search engine and type in "Obama's accomplishments" and find all kinds of things he has done. Have you ever tried that?

In reality we would have gone over the cliff if we would have had a McCain presidency, and even worse everything that has been fixed since president Obama took office would have been bumped, the country would have been sold off to the highest bidders if we would now have a president Romney! That should scare the shit out of anyone if you ask me.

The reality is that my comments are about all those who can NEVER say anything good about the president, those who say he has accomplished nothing, he is a complete failure. Those are the ones who do not see reality.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:53 PM

73. Wages are a real problem.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:32 PM

77. Republicans cannot STAND it when Obama does something good.

This new information will make their heads explode.

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Response to Rex (Reply #77)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:59 PM

96. Just like 2/3's of the people on this thread.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #96)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:00 PM

97. Yeah funny thing is, they voted for him twice.

They can at least acknowledge when he does something and the outcome is positive. If I can, they can imo.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:21 PM

103. Yea, more temporary part-time jobs.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #103)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:52 PM

130. I love how you slipped in the word "temporary".. You win the Neo-DU blue ribbon for the day!!!11

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:24 PM

105. yah for minimum wage jogs!!

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #105)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:00 PM

132. Republicans blocked numerous jobs bills.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #132)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:38 PM

138. Let's see the democratic party propose a $18/hour minimum wage with increases tied to

increses in cost of living expenses. Then we'll talk.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:05 PM

118. It only matters when the numbers are bad.

Otherwise, it is a non-issue.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 08:27 AM

150. DU rec...

but the ODS is strong in this thread.

Sid

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 06:52 PM

152. This is DU, you're not allowed to be happy

Shhhhhh.

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