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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:28 AM

I'm so angry I cannot sleep

I am on fucking vacation. I am supposed to be ralaxing and having a good time. But the goddamned survailance state is busy digitally raping my family.

It's not enough that I have to tell my six year old that he must remove his shoes to get on a plane because they think he might want to blow it up. No.

As we are getting back on the fucking disney monorail to go back into the park to watch the goddamned fireworks after dinnner, my stepmother and I go through the turnstile and look back to see my wife and child have been pulled aside to be fucking photographed by some goon.

We were told that their tickets, which are barcoded and issued to people by name, did not have their photos linked to them and they fucking line them up an takeb their ppictures. A fucking six year old for crying out loud.

We were also told that my stepmother's and my tickets already had associated photos, which must have somehow been taken without our consent or kowledge since we were never fucking asked to pose for any goddamned pictures.

I gave the bastards an earful an wanted to take the fucker's camera and smash the goddamned thing on the pavement but didn't want to ruin my kid's good time by getting locked up.

Instead I had to tell him that they were afraid he might blow up the fucking park.

I am starting to think I need some aliases just protect my family's right to fucking privacy.

Maybe it was in the fucking fine print when we purchesed the tickets, who the fuck knows, but a six year old?!

We have another day in the park and I need some sleep. Can anyone really convince me I shouldn't be so fucking angry so I can get some goddamned sleep?

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Reply I'm so angry I cannot sleep (Original post)
tk2kewl Jul 2013 OP
Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #1
OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #2
Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #6
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #9
OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #12
jtuck004 Jul 2013 #14
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #16
jtuck004 Jul 2013 #17
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #18
murielm99 Aug 2013 #126
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #5
Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #8
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #10
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #11
VWolf Jul 2013 #98
hfojvt Jul 2013 #104
Scurrilous Jul 2013 #3
Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #57
VWolf Jul 2013 #97
leveymg Jul 2013 #4
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #7
marions ghost Jul 2013 #36
leveymg Jul 2013 #58
marions ghost Jul 2013 #65
leveymg Jul 2013 #66
Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #13
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #15
marions ghost Jul 2013 #47
rl6214 Jul 2013 #107
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #19
bearssoapbox Jul 2013 #20
vanlassie Jul 2013 #21
avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #128
JI7 Jul 2013 #22
struggle4progress Jul 2013 #23
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #80
Lonr Jul 2013 #24
voteearlyvoteoften Jul 2013 #25
fasttense Jul 2013 #29
marions ghost Jul 2013 #37
joshcryer Jul 2013 #38
steve2470 Jul 2013 #41
joshcryer Jul 2013 #48
liberal N proud Jul 2013 #26
tk2kewl Jul 2013 #92
liberal N proud Jul 2013 #96
Orrex Jul 2013 #27
SCVDem Jul 2013 #31
Orrex Jul 2013 #50
SCVDem Jul 2013 #87
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woodsprite Jul 2013 #28
joshcryer Jul 2013 #34
marions ghost Jul 2013 #39
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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:33 AM

1. You really fucking shouldn't be that fucking angry...

Seriously. I've never been to Disneyland, but I've been on a cruise where you get a pass and they take yr photo and scan the pass and stuff when you go on and off the ship. It's no big deal. I saw kids younger than six having their pics taken. If you don't want yr photo taken, don't go to places where they have passes with photos attached to them. That's what I'd do anyway...

Hopefully you get a fucking good goddamned fucking goddamned nights sleep

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:36 AM

2. A-fucking-men, Violet!!! (edited)

Last edited Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:54 AM - Edit history (4)

EDIT TO add this link, where I expound upon what I was/am thinking:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023371219

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But seriously, OP....I don't mean to be harsh, but my first thought as I read your diatribe (and venting is good...no worries!) is "first-world problems." The surveillance state sucks, but you're at Disney.

I also hope you and yours got a good night's sleep and have a wonderful vacation.


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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:43 AM

6. Yeah, I didn't mean to sound harsh either. I get cranky when I'm overtired...

I know what it's like to have gone through theme parks with kids and I reckon it's more tiring than running a marathon (not that I've ever done that).

I hope they get a really good night's sleep, and everything will look better tomorrow, and they have a fantastic holiday...

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:51 AM

9. ouch

Yeah maybe first world problems for me.

But I don't think anyone should be taking ppics of my kid and putting them in a db.

And they had my fucking photo without me ever being asked to my face - that is fucked up.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:06 AM

12. ruh-ruh...you must not have slept.



I agree, it is fucked up, but you're at Disney. Try to let the positives outweigh the surveillance state aggravation, at least while you're there.


(My "A-fucking-men" was just an expression of profane unity -- since I love to swear -- not indicative of the intensity of my reply to you.)



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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:09 AM

14. I agree. Don't think a "first-world" plantation is better than a "third-world" plantation... n/t

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:21 AM

16. excellent point

As liberals (or progressives for the timid) we ought to be defending our liberties while striving to bring those same rights to everyone.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:26 AM

17. But have a good vacation! n/t

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:33 AM

18. thanks

I do still love seeing my kid have a good time. And the fireworks at the castle were great.

I will get to enjoy a few days at home going to our public beach where nobody is monitoring me before I go back to work.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 02:03 PM

126. You have a right to first world problems.

You live in the first world, right?

I fucking sympathize with you. Fuck!

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:41 AM

5. the park is required by law post signs

That warn me of carcinogens in the park but don't say a damned thing about putting your photo in a database.

I fucking wanted to go to yosemite but grandma and grandpa wanted to take the kid to dinsney.

And secretly snapped photos? Really?

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:50 AM

8. I would have fucking wanted to go to fucking Yosemite too...

After seeing the pics my brother took at Yosemite last year, if I ever go to the US, it's a must-visit thing for me. Disneyland is something I could easily give a miss...

I was trying to remember the last time I was victim of one of those secretly snapped photos, and it was a few months ago at Movie World here in Australia. I got dragged onto the Scooby Doo ride by my sister and when I went out the exit, there were a bunch of photos, including one with me mouthing the words 'FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! GET ME OFF THIS THING NOW!!!!' It was a real violation of my desire to hide my sheer cowardliness and I felt my rights had been trampled when my sister bought it and the whole family laughed at it ...

btw, make sure you get some sleep, okay? Those theme parks are emotionally draining

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:58 AM

10. those sorts of pics I was aware of

And always thought were fun.

They are a bit harder to tie to an inndividual's identity since they don't scan your ticket and associate it with your seat on the ride.

You get to choose to associate youself with it if you buy it with a cc but if you buy it with cash they'd have to do some real work to tie you and your pic together in a db.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:05 AM

11. and btw

Do visit yosemite at EVERY opportunity.

I have been there many times, including when I was skinny enough and strong enough to do some classic climbs in the valley.

Among the best expieriences of my life.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:52 PM

98. I've been to both fucking Disney and fucking Yosemite,

and fucking Yosemite was way better.

Wait, was her name Yosemite? I can't remember.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:44 PM

104. I am guessing

that one of the reasons pictures of kids are taken, at kid places, is just in case one of the kids ends up missing.

It's not a terrorism issue as much as it is a liability issue.

Same thing with a cruise. They don't want somebody to be able to rob you in Antigua, take your ticket and be able to get on the ship.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:40 AM

3. Hit the Enchanted Tiki Room tomorrow.

If that doesn't put you to sleep, nothing will.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:21 AM

57. I went right to sleep in that

It's great - while sweating to death in that oppressive heat you can pop in that air conditioned snooze fest for a quick nap.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:51 PM

97. LOL!!! So true! n/t

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:40 AM

4. They did the same at the Kennedy Space Center visitors complex and wanted to sell me the pic!

$12 "souvenir" - I guess that makes the ID system pay for itself. That, and the lady guards carrying submachine guns, really put me off going back to that particular attraction in Florida, anytime soon.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:44 AM

7. I've done those "fun" photos at the ballpark before

Never ever again.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:19 AM

36. But you did have to give permission for the photo to be taken, right?

---yep the submachine guns = a real deal breaker for me. Remind me never to go to the K Space center.

The last time I saw that was when I visited a basically lawless country being run by a military government.

Why are we putting up with this? The people who it bothers must be in the minority.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:23 AM

58. Photo was mandatory. No prior advisory, and they characterized it as a "souvenir photo"

which you could buy and take home.

That was six or seven years ago.

By the way, the Kennedy Space Complex is one of the most fascinating places - particularly the great hall that contains full-sized Saturn launchers, an animonics mock-up of the launch control room, and a huge amount of space stuff -- highly recommended, other than the misleading way they recorded visitors (and the ladies in black fatigues with submachine guns). Who knows, that last part may be an added attraction for some visitors!

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Response to leveymg (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:39 AM

65. Souvenir photos are usually not mandatory

--where I've encountered it, it is clearly just an option. So they must have other reasons at the Kennedy Center.

Ladies in black fatigues with machine guns. You know you're in Murka now!

Sorry, Kennedy Center, but I don't go in places that need that kind of protection.

I guess they need to defend against Al Kider, not to mention all the Concealed Carry nutjobs in Florida. I mean WHAT could call for that kind of "security?" Seems way OTT.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #65)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:47 AM

66. It is a gov't installation. But, they don't overtly photo u going into other gov't bldgs and bases.

Certainly, they don't offer a copy of your photo record on the way out for extra payment, as if it were just a keepsake of the tourist experience! Welcome to a tour of the future.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:06 AM

13. It's not okay. It's not okay at all. n/t

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:15 AM

15. thank you

You know, when I get on the subway at home and the cops ask to search me, I always say "fuck no" and go find another entrance or line. But a six year old can't understand that.

Maybe if he were sixteen I would've smashed that camera.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:04 AM

47. Smashing the camera

??...and then they have you in a bad position...because in our culture you will not get sympathy for that.

I'm with you about being angry about this. But the reasons this is being done are systemic, not just Disney. It's that horror that we are really facing--that we live in a surveillance state where our every move is monitored, more and more.

Try to channel your outrage effectively. It's not good to let anger fester so resolve to do something with it. Bringing this to DU alerts others to the issue, so that's a start. But tie it to the bigger picture.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:51 PM

107. "I would've smashed that camera"

 

Sure you would have.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:45 AM

19. now my first world ass is out of wine and cigs

So it is time to try some breathing excersises and go to sleep.

I can't say I am less angy, but I am thankful for the modicom of validation.

Hopefully I won't be checking in on this thread until tomorrow.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:03 AM

20. I applaud your restraint

Especially in front of your six year old. It shows what a great dad you are.

But that really, really FUCKING sucks.

Hope you get some rest and the rest of your vacation is better.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:07 AM

21. Remember: You are at the Happiest Place On Earth!

Have Fun!

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Response to vanlassie (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 02:10 PM

128. When you leave Remember:



There will even be more fun at the airport!



What a country!!



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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:13 AM

22. i was at some chain restaurant one time and some guy came by taking pics

and then they tried to get pay money for them

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:18 AM

23. In my view, you're a psychological victim of agitation without an organizing component

That is, somebody has encouraged you to get all dressed up -- but then gave you nowhere to go. So you're stuck in a state of unresolved psychological tension, and you're fighting the inappropriate inclination to take it out on some low-wage disney worker

You need to do something

While you're trying to think of something better to do, why don't you contact your two Senators and your Congressman? Tell them (say) you think the government should have to get a warrant to look at your emails, no matter how old the emails are. Ask them to change the law so the government can't grab your emails that are over six months old without a warrant. And ask for a response

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:29 AM

80. I do plan on writing to some pols as well as to disney

But you cooulnt ppay too much or too little to do a job like that. As a favorite song of mine goes "I'd rather clean the cages at the zoo than to change my songs for you."

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:42 AM

24. Wish I could

 

I would tell you not to be angry were it not for the fact that we all should be! I'm absolutely livid about the way our ( U. S. ) government is violating the very rights guaranteed to us by those who founded our country! It's a disgrace.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:44 AM

25. The photo is taken at the turnstile when you enter

So you can't give your ticket to another person if you leave early or buy a multi day or in state priced pass. Lol look on the bright side, you got the obligatory Disney trip over with! And showed your kid a good time. Next year Yosemite...

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Response to voteearlyvoteoften (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:04 AM

29. Yeah, they can do the same thing by stamping tickets.

There is no need to keep a photo data base on customers. Disney was making tons even without the photos by using stamping methods and controlling tickets, so their is no real need for such a data base. And there have been no terrorist attacks on Disney's amusement parks, so security is not an excuse.

They are building a photo data base of their customers for the NSA? For marketing? For possible future criminal activity?

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Response to fasttense (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:23 AM

37. Right

--they should be willing to tell people what the photo is for. (And I mean in a way that is legally binding--not just some
deflection (ie. lie).

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Response to fasttense (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:24 AM

38. Probably marketing + criminal activity.

If you're banned you'll show up in the database easily. Probably saves them tones of money in lawsuits yearly (don't need a drunken dude causing trouble). Looks like they also ban sex offenders, too.

The marketing aspect is sinister, though. If they have a good enough system they could use face recognition to follow you throughout the entire park, and figure out which rides or themes are most interesting to you, and then they can send you coupons and stuff directed at the stuff you like. It would obviously only work for regulars or people who go often the best, but it'd be a way to really get into your head and own what you care about the park.

Of course, the NSA / FBI might want to get access to those databases at their whim.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:38 AM

41. Disney CEO replies to Congressman about privacy concerns (from your link)

http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/General_Disney_News/Disney_CEO_replies_to_Congressman.htm

A Massachusetts congressman named Ed Markey, co-chairman of the Congressional Bi-partisan Privacy Caucus, made headlines recently for writing Disney CEO Bob Iger asking him to answer privacy concerns about the new MyMagic+ program announced for Walt Disney World. The new billion dollar initiative involves RFID technology located inside bracelets called MagicBands. Officially, Disney says these bracelets will not be used to track visitors in their park. Opponents suggest they could be used (albeit with slight modifications) to monitor every movement. Markey expressed serious worry that children who visit the theme parks could have their privacy compromised.

Iger has now responded, calling the congressman's criticism of the new program "ludicrous." Iger's response is very direct in suggesting Congressman Markey didn't fully inform himself of the details of MyMagic+ before sending his letter. In his letter, Iger states,

"We are offended by the ludicrous and utterly ill-informed assertion in your letter dated January 24, 2013, that we would in any way haphazardly or recklessly introduce a program that manipulates children, or wantonly puts their safety at risk.

It is truly unfortunate and extremely disappointing that you chose to publicly attack us before taking the time to review our policies and/or contact us for information, which would have obviated the need for your letter. Had you or your staff made the slightest effort, you would have found most of the answers to your questions already existed and were publicly available online..."

*end of quote*

I'm guessing the CEO is not too sensitive to privacy concerns by his response.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:10 AM

48. Sounds like NSA outrage, imo.

"But, but, fuck you."

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:51 AM

26. Goddamn, you sure are having a fucking rotten vacation worrying about all that fucking surveillance

It sounds like this problem has really fucking ruined travel for you. That really fucking sucks that you can't fucking have a good time. I will be damned if I am going to let those sorts of things fuck up a vacation for me.

Disney is supposed to be the happiest fucking place on earth, so for your last day, I suggest that you go with the flow and don't fuck with anyone and don't let the other fuckers piss you off.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:17 PM

92. at least we are going to a park today that has beer

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #92)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:35 PM

96. Dring your way around the world

We went to the food and wine festival last year, it was great drinking all the way around.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:54 AM

27. The outrage will *really* start when they make you go to Epcot

Others have said this already, but it needs to be repeated that you're entering a privately-owned money-making machine. You can expect many further impositions like the ones you've described.

Say hi to Mickey.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:12 AM

31. No Epcot at DisneyLand.

Stay off small worrld.

With your state of mind you may jump ship!

All for 92 bucks a tix.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:14 AM

50. I tell everyone to steer clear of Epcot, even if they're nowhere near Disney

Good advice always.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:58 AM

87. I'm steering clear of Florida period!

I'll visit someplace safe like Detroit!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #87)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:38 PM

115. lol

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #115)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:03 AM

117. That's funny!

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:57 AM

28. You would have really been pissed at Colonial Williamsburg

They used to take your pic and digitally print it on
your tickets, which you then had to wear to access any
of the programs.

Don't know if they still do it like that or not.

Does Disney World still scan your fingers as you go through
the turnstiles? That was 2 yrs ago when we went down, as
well as inspect fanny sacks and all carry-ins.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:17 AM

34. I lived in Colonial Williamsburg and never experienced that.

I even had free passes to Busche Gardens (both Busche Gardens and Colonial Williamsburg were free for locals, once a year). Never had my photo taken.

Insane.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:28 AM

39. When did they do that?

I was at Colonial Williamsburg maybe 6 years ago and there was no such thing.

What's your information source?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #39)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:17 AM

54. It was quite awhile ago - maybe 10 yrs

It was called "The Patriot's Pass" which was a multi-day access pass for the historic shops and programs. Registration like that was done over the course of a couple of years at least because when I accompanied my hubby to a conference down there a year or so later, I had to do the same thing. I thought I had a day left on the original pass, but apparently it had an expiration date.

Just googled - looks like it was 13 yrs ago that they did away with that and went to a different ticketing structure. I don't know if they still take pics for the passes that are more than 1 day or if you just have to show ID now.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:21 AM

56. OK thanks

I have relatives in the area and I'll will ask them to confirm. Helps to know what we're talking about.

Thanks for reply.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:23 AM

60. We must have been posting at the same time, I googled

It looks like it was 13 yrs ago that they did away with that and went to a different ticketing structure. I don't know if they still take pics for the passes that are more than 1 day or if you just have to show ID now. We went last year, but only got a pass for one day.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #60)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:28 AM

62. thanks

I'll dig and see if I can find out any more about it from the locals.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:28 PM

101. I had a "Patriot Pass" And yes, they did that.

Was it something after 911?

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:07 AM

30. Relax, it's all good . . .

The outsourcing of government surveillance is one of our most important growth industries. Private snoops and spooks are being employed in ever increasing numbers, and in places one would never expect. The NSA's gigantic spying efforts are really only the tip of the surveillance iceberg. It turns out that the one thing Americans of all political stripes will always pay more for is protection. No amount of protection is too much, not when the threat is: "Terror!"

Be it at Disneyland, on the internet or at your local shopping mall, our guilt-driven fears that someone with Koran and a bomb might be lurking in the shadows means money is no object when it comes to saving our cowardly butts.

My advice is to relax and be happy. It's all good for the economy, right?

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:14 AM

32. So wait, this is Disney procedure? And we're OK with it?

I will never be going to Disneyland or Disneyworld, ever. Fuck that. That's fucking preposterous.

Yet I'm seeing a chunk of DUers OK with this.

God I can't stand it. Corporations get away with this shit so fucking easily. It's not a fucking "first world problem."

It's a problem. Full stop.

What good does a fucking photograph do? Keep some nefarious individual from using your pass? Oh because loss prevention decided taking peoples fucking pictures was a valid way to save money than just accepting a fucking goddamn day pass? Seriously. How often are people giving up their day passes to cause them to make a big deal of it? 1%? 5%? It's a fucking joke.

Shit, I'm angry enough with people calling this a "first world problem" and dismissing it off hand. You'd expect dozens of OPs on this issue given how paranoid DU is about the NSA (which, btw, is ran 70% by corporations doing this same exact type of datamining). It's a joke. The real world is the fucking twilight zone.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:21 AM

77. I attended a convention in Orlando a few years back

Even though the convention hotel was right near Disney World and the hotel offered discounted tickets, I refused to go, especially after wandering around so-called "Downtown Disney" and seeing all the blatant self-referential commercialism and total Mickey Mouse environment engineering. Blech!

I had dinner with another DUer, which was fun, and as a Minnesotan, I enjoyed experiencing 75 and sunny in November, but otherwise, I'll be glad never to return to Orlando.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #77)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:54 AM

86. I'm glad I'm not the only person that is uninterested in anything Disney

My SIL, who is in her late 50s, goes every few years WITHOUT KIDS. Ugh. I've never been there, and have no interest. I've seen her pictures and videos ad nauseum, and not a thing there looks interesting to me, especially the price of admission.

But as for privacy, if you're going to go into such a controlled environment, I can't see getting your knickers in a twist over photos.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:15 AM

33. I don't know if this is still true but

 

at one time, The Walt Disney Company was the second largest buyer of surveillance equipment in the world, surpassed only by the US Government. Read up on 'ol Walt sometime and you'll find out some chilling stuff.

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Response to faithnomore (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:43 AM

83. Googling Disney/CIA

Brings up all kinds of interesting reading.

How the CIA Helped Disney Conquer Florida
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/14/how-the-cia-helped-disney-conquer-florida.html

and




Previous thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022714132

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:18 AM

35. You might want to write Disney when you get home....

and ask them to delete your son's photo from their database.

Address that will eventually work (trickle down to right person):

Robert A. Iger
Chief Executive Officer
Walt Disney Company
500 South Buena Vista Street
Burbank, CA 91521-6719

I"d guess you will not get a response for a few weeks, but at least you've done something. Of course, you might not care any more by the time you read this. I'd send the letter certified too. Good luck.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:45 AM

44. They will probably say

they do it to keep out pedophiles and other undesirables, along with AL Qaeda. Wouldn't have stopped the Tsarnaevs.

So really there are other reasons.

Letters would have no impact unless they're signed by a few thousand people who also boycott Disney products.
Corporates don't listen to any complaints from individuals.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:49 AM

45. I'm sure you're right

I've written letters to CEOs several times, and sometimes I've gotten a decent response. In this case, they may send him back a form letter stating what you said in legalese.

Maybe he will feel better, I usually do. I don't feel so powerless, even though I am powerless over their policies

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:13 AM

49. We need

consumer advocacy groups with lawyers, and that includes government sponsored agencies that work for us, not the corporates. We need a place to take our complaints that give us people power. Together is the ONLY way we can get action--in any arena you care to name. The only way. Join an organization. Help build an apparatus that fights for us.

Individuals writing to CEOS is a fond vestige of the past. There's no way you can affect anything by that. It's an empty exercise. Doing empty exercises eventually leads to more depression.

Corporates are NOT on our side, in this or anything else. The sooner we realize that, the better.

Consumer protection. A radical idea in corporate owned America.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:30 AM

40. Ah, you've met the "Disney Nazis" - that is my little pet name

for those people. When I ran the marathon there in 2000 my husband had to also control himself when they bristled if everyone didn't go exactly where they wanted them to (my husband, as he has in many of my races, tried to move from various mile markers to others to get there before me w/snacks/drinks - but this was not acceptable to the Disney Nazis who wanted everyone in single file marching in whichever direction they declared). He did much cursing as well.

We've taken the kids several times as well & enjoy the attractions. My tip is to go the smaller parks if you can - the boat rides in the country areas of Epcot are particularly nice and Mexico has great margaritas. The Magic Kingdom is always so crowded so I save that for the last day so I can actually relax for the rest of the vacation first. Animal Kingdom is probably the one folks know the least, but if you look at the map there is a carnival area with a bunch of rides that your 6-yr old will love, along with characters to meet etc ...

If you have any questions shoot me a PM - my kids are 10 and 6 so I may be able to help you locate what you need ...

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:41 AM

42. hope you got some sleep....

my sweetie who has been to Disney with his boys... says it is for the safety of your son since kids are kidnapped from the park and they need a way to identify... but he says that won't make you sleep any better... he says go have fun

awww go have fun.. your son deserves your good mood and spirit... and for goodness sake go to Yosemite next year

(I actually will be in Orlando tomorrow and would so much rather be in Yosemite!! just don't fall over Vernal Falls)

...and don't go when there is a forest fire... like I did


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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:43 AM

43. they are not

afrsid your child will nlow up the park, they are afraid 6ou will sell the ticket. tickets with more days cost less per day, so they want to stop people buying 10 day tickets and usimg 5 and selling the rest. I get my pictire taken for lots of passes for this reason, the place only wants the person who buys the pass too use it.

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Response to d_r (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:15 AM

51. YOUR CALM AND REASONABLE EXPLANATION FILLS ME WITH RAGE!!!!!1!

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Response to Orrex (Reply #51)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:23 AM

59. LOL

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Response to d_r (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:53 AM

85. reasonable explanation but it doesn't jibe with the explanation I got

I was told they only save the pics until midnight.

Maybe they meant midnight on my last day, but that isn't what they said.

Feels more like an indoctrination of my child to me.

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Response to d_r (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:11 PM

90. actually on second thought I think its a shitty reason

They've got their money and they don't end up with any more visitors if I give my ticket to someone else.

They're more than happy to treat people as comodities but not so much an entertainment product.

Fuck em.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:53 AM

46. welcome to FloriDUH

Theme parks like Disney are a blight: concrete, plastic and bad politics. And being in Florida is just the icing on the cake.

So sorry you and your family had to experience this but this is the new US. Freedom, Constitutional rights and yes, common sense have gone the way of the dinosaurs

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Response to Carolina (Reply #46)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:58 PM

109. Disneyland...California

 

Reading is fundamental.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #109)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:01 PM

113. Take your snark

Last edited Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)

and shove it. The OP did not specify land (CA) or world (FL). You go read it again and show me where it states Disneyland.

I was replying to the OP... who does mention the monorail which Disney World (FL) definitely has. Perhaps Disneyland does, too. But bottom line, YOU READ before you reply with such nastiness!

Bottome line, too: they are both rip offs destroying the landscape with concrete and plastic while backing awful politics!

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Response to Carolina (Reply #113)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:20 PM

118. Bottom line, half dozen others said Disneyland as well.

 

"Shove it" talk about nastiness! Seems like YOU have the problem.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #118)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:48 PM

120. You can

Dish it out but can't take it dished back.

A reply to the OP doesn't require reading all the posts in between, and by the way, half a dozen others is NOT the OP. So again, Mr/Ms "reading is fundamental," the OP never specified land or world; ergo I can surely read and you can continue to take your snark and stick it

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Response to Carolina (Reply #120)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:18 PM

121. "Dish it out"?

 

Where did I tell you to "shove it" or anything of the sort and where did I indicate that I "can't take it"?

Again, my original comment of reading is fundamental stands to be true.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #121)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:26 PM

123. No,

your "Disneyland -- CA.... reading is fundamental" was/is a snarky affront and one that I have shown above is/was WRONG and uncalled for! If you do not see how your first comment was 1) erroneous and 2) insulting, then you need to examine your interpersonal and reading skills!

And yes, you can't take the fact that that I shoved YOUR error and your interpretation and dished it back.

Once again, I was responding to the OP -- the OP only -- when you interjected your nasty remark based on what others wrote (as you said!) and what you interpreted BUT NOT WHAT THE OP WROTE.

Now, just go away. I won't deign to comment any longer since it's fruitless with you. You're the one with the issues or you clearly would not have made your initiating rude comment. You're as bad as GZ... start something but can't take it when the other person defends herself.

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Response to Carolina (Reply #123)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 07:19 PM

130. Uh huh, shove it is just a pleasant greeting, right?

 

Try not to get your knickers in a twist over every post.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:20 AM

52. I totally agree.

But the real answer is don't EVER go there. This is why I don't fly. I will not pay to be treated like cattle.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:56 AM

53. Maybe the underlying problem is the corporatization of everything.

It's not a tragedy if a child never gets to go to Disneyland or Disneyworld. Honest, it's not.

I never took my kids to either of those and they grew up as well as any other kids in this country.

If you want to give them the joy of various rides, there are carnivals and state fairs everywhere. Possibly some of the smaller, regional amusement parks are less intrusive in terms of ID requirements. It's been about twenty years since I've been to one.

As for those of you complaining about photos taken at certain rides and then sold, that's been going on for decades at many established parks. It's up to you to buy them or not.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:48 AM

84. I am with you

But I was sandbagged by wife and father on this one. We love the local church carnivals and fireworks shows.

Definitely not doing this again.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:20 AM

55. Your first mistake was going to Disney where you spend an arm and a leg and for what?

 

Just to get pissed then you can't sleep at night. I would suggest a quiet place where there are cabins and you can rent them by the week. They have swimming areas and you can do what you want on your own time. We have a place here in Tn called Rock Island. You can go to Nashville within an hour or so. There are lots to see there on day trips. I stopped travelling to places where there are tourists. It's crazville. So I would suggest get some pills to help you sleep like Equate PM and take 2. You'll fall asleep and hopefully will have sweet dreams, LOL. I hope you enjoy the rest of your trip.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:26 AM

61. Don't go to places with crowds

Places that are popular with every Tom, Dick and Harry, cost a lot, and have crowd control measures.

Drive across Wyoming. Beautiful scenery and not a lot of people.

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Response to treestar (Reply #61)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:00 AM

70. Do 6yr olds enjoy a long drive across Wyoming ? :/

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Response to Bonx (Reply #70)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:15 AM

71. Teach them to

Yes, there are animals to see. Yellowstone has cool things to see. Then again, there might be some security there.

OP just thinks Disneyland should be restricted in the way they decide to run that park. How that would be constitutional, I don't know.

There are less crowded places to take 6 year olds, in any event.

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Response to treestar (Reply #71)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:54 PM

129. Amen! ^^^^

Since when has Disney World been the only vacation a 6 year old enjoys?

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:31 AM

63. Look at it this way, many of those tickets get stolen.

The picture ensures no one but the rightful owner can use them. To me this is the real reason the picture is associated with the ticket.

Relax for a few days, unwind, enjoy the time with your family. Try not to see evil under every bed.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:35 AM

64. Well you sound like a fucking JOY to go on vacation with



Maybe you should try the little excursions like camping first before you try to go all big time with Disneyland

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:52 AM

67. Boycott Disney

 

For a variety of reasons.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:53 AM

68. Six year olds don't have to take their shoes off for TSA.

Also, you consent to Disney's rules when you buy the tickets. Two reasons for linking tickets to people are for your benefit: if they get stolen, they can't be used again, and if someone gets lost, they have more information to help find you. And people get lost at Disney every day.

Maybe you should lighten up and try to enjoy yourself.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:54 AM

69. Disney announced they would do this for multi-day tickets...

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:39 AM

82. Well there you go.

Up to the consumer to boycott this move or not, I'd say.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:22 AM

72. I can only imagine what fun your 6 year old had

with an enraged parent scaring the shit out of him while at Disney World. Way to go.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #72)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:29 PM

95. if this thread tells me anything, it's that

people can ruin a good time by being paranoid, hardheaded, and yes, STUPID.

Disney may be the last place in the world to stand on principle over having a picture taken. The appropriate thing to do in that situation when entertaining a six-year-old is to say, "Oh, look, we're getting out picture taken! Smile!!" Because GUESS WHAT, EINSTEIN? 99.99999999% of the time, SIX-YEAR-OLDS ASSOCIATE HAVING THEIR PICTURE TAKEN WITH HAVING FUN.

Because what's Disney going to do with that picture? How about NOTHING? They use it to ensure that you get the value that you paid for, and then they move on. THE ONLY PICTURES DISNEY CARES ABOUT ARE THE ONES OF DEAD PRESIDENTS IN YOUR WALLET.
It's a TRANSACTION: you go, you pay, you enjoy, you entertain, you leave.

The kid remembers having a good time with family, unless of course one family member is a raging sourpuss looking for ways to caterwaul. Then they remember that.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:24 AM

73. You're not the only one who is angry. It is utterly ridiculous. All these wars supposedly to

end 'terror'. Well I guess they didn't work if we are still so afraid they have to spy on everyone here and make life miserable for people traveling.

We've been scammed.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:12 AM

74. Children under 12 don't have to remove their shoes for TSA. The rest is Disney crap.

It is easy to avoid Disney crap.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:15 AM

75. Ask the "doing nothing wrong" gang here.

 

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:21 AM

76. Lol, the first and only time my family went to Disneyland, they didn't let men with long hair

in, or anyone else that appeared to be a "hippie".

Hey, I've got an idea. Take your kid to some national parks or camping in the mountains or kayaking or something.

You don't want your privacy intruded on? Don't go to Disneyland.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:25 AM

78. I agree with you

Then again, you are at Disney. I loved it as a kid but it really has changed. It's a people trap operated by a mouse. Fuck what those fuckers have done to the fucking place.

My advice: don't do theme parks. It turns your kids into little grasping commercialized monsters. Break the cycle of addiction by never letting them get hooked.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #78)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:06 PM

99. One exception to that rule:

Legoland.

I took the family there when we were in California and it was an awesome experience. Go figure.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:25 AM

79. Think you're pissed now?





Just wait till you get to It's a Small World and your boat gets backed up for 45 minutes.


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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:32 AM

81. And why exactly are you at Disney?

The Mouse is GREEDY. And corporate personified. And, truth be told, more waiting in line than fun.

Anyway, we did it too, years ago. Once was more than enough. Try to enjoy.

Bake

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:01 PM

88. That picture thing has me very suspicious.

How do you know the photo taker was telling the truth?
I'm thinking predator or voyeur, something like that.

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Response to ananda (Reply #88)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:25 PM

94. Or just Disney trying to prevent people scamming on multi-day passes.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:01 PM

89. last time I went you had to give a thumb print to get in?

did you have to do that. a pic seems less intrusive.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #89)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:35 AM

131. thank goodness no!

that is nuts

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:12 PM

91. Chill. Did Mickey Mouse and Goofy throw you over the hood of a car and cuff you?

 

If not, you really missed out. It is a fun ride. If you take a swing at one of their big mascot heads, they "tase" you with silly string and low foliage electricity. You know. For a Disnryfied version of reality.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:19 PM

93. if it is that troubling:

 

1. drive to your vacation spot

2. don't go anywhere that requires the vacation spot to photograph you and yours.

then you won't lose any sleep.

sheesh.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:29 PM

100. I'm with you on this--no matter how tired you are or how justifiable something is, if it pisses you

off you oughtta vent--how else will things change in the world?
I'm not gonna crap on you for this OP

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:28 PM

102. K&R

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:38 PM

103. punch someone, go to the little Disney Jail,...give your son a memory he'll always remember.


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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:46 PM

105. That must be what it feels like to be profiled

I don't blame you for being angry. I would be beside myself too if it happened to my kid. But I can't help thinking about the people who spend their entire lives going through that kind of treatment. Of parents who have to teach their kids to expect this.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:46 PM

106. Their park...their rules

 

Don't like it go to universal studios.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:57 PM

108. The surveillance state has been around a very long time. I hope you get some sleep...soon.





Tikki

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:13 PM

110. Normal multi-day-pass procedure. Chill.

If you don't want your photo taken, buy the single-day pass.

TYY

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:56 PM

111. It's a small world, and getting smaller

n/t

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:25 PM

112. DISNEY did this. NOT THE "SURVEILLANCE STATE." It's about MONEY.

They don't want another family to use your passes the next day, or even the SAME day. It's the same with ski passes. You guys are so stuck on a meme you can't even see what's right in front of your noses anymore. Sheesh.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:13 PM

114. What a Drama Queen. What in the world will you do if you ever have a REAL problem?

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:57 PM

116. #White People Problems

smh

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Response to sagat (Reply #116)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:28 PM

119. Rich white Democrat problems.

 

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:40 PM

124. The question I have is

what happens to the photo and your name in their database? Do they keep it, or is it purged? I do not want my photo in their database. I don't even wish my name to be in their database. I don't like giving my name and zipcode at RadioShack either.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #124)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:57 PM

125. Pretty sure they send copies of all of the pictures

to the NSA and George Zimmerman.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 02:05 PM

127. You and your child have been recorded almost every second of your visit to Disney.

Your room and the bathroom are really the only places you aren't on camera. Not sure why you would tell your kid they are worried about him blowing up the park. That really doesn't make sense.

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Response to tk2kewl (Original post)

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:43 AM

132. First world problem. Disney does that.

There are reasons for it, mostly having to do with people letting other people use their passes. Also, they keep an eye on children, to keep them from being snatched.

I hope you were able to relax and enjoy the rest of your vacation and didn't let some minor annoyance ruin it. It's just not that big a deal, really.

BTW, there are video cameras everywhere at theme parks like that. Smile. They're taking your picture.

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