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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:34 AM

Snowden broke some laws, that's a given

Today we heard our revered Rep. Conyers declare that the NSA broke not just some laws, but actually acted unconstitutionally.

So that's why Snowden felt he had to become a whistleblower. He saw laws being broken and the constitution being subverted.

I now look forward to seeing all those here who attacked Snowden, turn their attention to the lawbreakers in the NSA with even half their vehemence they displayed going after the confirmed whistleblower Snowden.

Well, how about it? How about the lawbreakers in the NSA? Are you people gonna let them slide?

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Reply Snowden broke some laws, that's a given (Original post)
RobertEarl Jul 2013 OP
zappaman Jul 2013 #1
RobertEarl Jul 2013 #2
zappaman Jul 2013 #19
Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #3
JaneyVee Jul 2013 #4
RobertEarl Jul 2013 #11
JaneyVee Jul 2013 #20
brooklynite Jul 2013 #5
RobertEarl Jul 2013 #6
Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #8
davidpdx Jul 2013 #7
ProSense Jul 2013 #9
railsback Jul 2013 #10
RobertEarl Jul 2013 #12
railsback Jul 2013 #13
RobertEarl Jul 2013 #14
railsback Jul 2013 #15
RobertEarl Jul 2013 #16
railsback Jul 2013 #17
RobertEarl Jul 2013 #18
JaneyVee Jul 2013 #21
zappaman Jul 2013 #22

Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:35 AM

1. What laws did Snowden break?

BeFree to tell us!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:42 AM

2. Wow

Where have you been hiding?

It is odd that the people screaming about Snowden, wanting him arrested, are not the same ones who want to have the NSA regulated and kept from tapping into our lives.

Now that we all know the NSA has been breaking many laws day in and day out, I wonder if those same people will be willing to go after the lawbreakers still in the NSA. Or will they let them be free, and continue attacking Snowden with every ounce of energy they have.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:05 AM

19. According to your OP, Snowden broke laws.

I'm simply asking what laws he broke.
BeFree to figure it out and let us know.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:45 AM

3. No, I don't think I WILL let them slide. Hey, NSA

 

NSA, I know you are reading this. Meet me at my house (you know where I live) so I can give you a right proper thrashing.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:50 AM

4. The only way the NSA's actions will be proven unconstitutional would be

to get a Liberal majority on SCOTUS. I have a feeling this SCOTUS will cement the NSA permanently.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:18 AM

11. So

I can put you down for letting the lawbreakers in the NSA get a free pass?

It should take a year or two, and the SCOTUS will be faced with a case about NSA, or FISA, or something, and by then the Left, along with the RW, will be looked at as a majority the court won't want to piss off.

Will you be there with us acting pissed off about being tapped day in and day out?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:29 PM

20. I've been pissed off since 2001.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:19 AM

5. Why should I change my opinion on Snowden?

I can support reforms in our intelligence/security policies AND recognize that Snowden violated Federal laws.

The bottom line is that as a nation of laws, we don't abide by each person deciding right and wrong on their own.

nb - unless Rep Conyers has been elevated to the Supreme Court, his opinion on the Constitutionality of the NSA policies is just that.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:34 AM

6. Change your opinion? Huh?

You are free to have the opinion (that is all it is, an opinion) about Snowden.

My question is: will people work now to see that those who broke federal laws and subverted the constitution be arrested? And use the same energy as they have going after Snowden?

True, no one has been convicted of anything yet. So even the idea that Snowden broke laws is in the clouds. But given that Conyers and other congress people have stated they think laws have been broken, and the constitution subverted, does it not concern you that you too, have been, or soon will be, tapped?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:46 AM

8. Snowden has admitted to breaking the law

so that is not a matter of 'opinion', nor is the idea that he broke the law 'in the clouds'.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:43 AM

7. Broke laws?

Why that's just crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy! All Snowden did is go on vacation to Hong Kong with a few laptops that had government documents. I can't see how he broke any laws.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:50 AM

9. Wait

"Snowden broke some laws, that's a given"

...are you sure?


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Response to ProSense (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:13 AM

10. Confusing...

 

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Response to railsback (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:19 AM

12. You think he broke no law?

Then you are in favor of him not being prosecuted? Or is PS confusing you with such an inane and contradictory post?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:31 AM

13. My confusion

 

comes from trying to decipher all the various ways the pro-Snowden defenders try to validate his actions. The latest attempt is trying to put words in Carter's mouth. There is NO confusion as to what Snowden did: He broke several Federal laws and needs to answer to them like a big boy.

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Response to railsback (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:40 AM

14. Right

So what about the others in the NSA who stand accused of breaking the law and the constitution? Are you willing to stand up like a big boy and go after them too?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:46 AM

15. None of them ran

 

and none are in jail. That took balls and love for country, attributes Snowden seems to be lacking.

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Response to railsback (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:48 AM

16. So

Your just gonna let them slide? What? They scare you?

Step out of line the man come and take you away? That your fear?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:58 AM

17. The U.S. is a nation of LAWS.

 

If you don't obey the laws as written by government, whom we elect to represent ourselves, then you become nothing but a Libertarian.

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Response to railsback (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:02 AM

18. Yes. And the NSA broke laws

You get that right? Or you think NSA is above laws? Even above the constitution?

Or are you still just deeply confused?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:31 PM

21. What law exactly was broken? I thought the scary part about what NSA

Was doing is that it is perfectly legal.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:32 PM

22. What laws did Snowden break?

What laws did the NSA break?

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