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Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:18 PM

Hairy woman does not shave

I'm one of those women who loathes hair removal. I don't know if there are many of us out there, but I suspect there are. Since the first day when, as a teenager, I decided to get rid of the hair on my legs and armpits, I have spent my waking hours in hair removal torture. It's a waste of time that caused me suffering. Nonsense, really. But I didn't question it, either. At the end of the day, I'm a woman, and we have to get rid of our body hair, right?

Did I have another option? For a long time, I felt I didn't, so I merely tried to fully minimize my periods of suffering. I chose not to shave in the winter. After all, I was covered up, and nobody was looking at me... That's when I began to realize I was shaving unnecessarily, and only doing so because it was expected of me as a woman. I enjoyed my hairy legs in winter, yet coninuted to submit to near-weekly shaving torture in summer.

Yes, I am a hairy woman. I have very white skin and very black hair. My legs and armpits are veritable jungles. I know there are smooth-skinned women who shave very rarely and have fine, blonde body hair. But that's not the case with me, so trying to camouflage and pretend that hair is not there doesn't work for me. Besides, I live in Málaga, the weather is warm most of the year and the beach is there for enjoying...





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paloma-goni/i-dont-shave_b_3568790.html

When I asked my boyfriend to shoot these pictures, he refused. I think he didn't want my hairy legs to be made public. He had enough with having to endure the plan (ha!). We had an interesting conversation and a few seconds later, he admitted he was wrong and agreed to take the pictures. He told me the pictures were an assault against aesthetics. I agree. They're an assault against an aesthetic, against an image of female beauty that we have ingrained in our culture and in our society. That same image I want to change, simply because it's not real. Women have hair on their legs. We have hair on our armpits. And on our pubis. And in a thousand other places. We're hairy, the same as men. And that's real. A reality that women, pressured by one another, insist on hiding.

I still don't know if this year I will succumb to the pressure, if I will shave again. I've not decided yet, but I'm very conscious that if I finally do it, it will be for others, and that drives me apart from my true self.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:21 PM

1. TMI. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:23 PM

2. she is brave

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:26 PM

4. Not really. Strikes me as more of an exhibitionist than brave. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:27 PM

5. really? trust me, it's brave for a woman to buck societal standards of beauty

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:32 PM

10. Ehhh....no. Having your boyfriend take pictures of you in a skirt with hairy legs isn't bucking

societal standards so much a tweaking them a little. So she doesn't shave. So what?

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:37 PM

15. "So what?" <--- That's kind of the point.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:40 PM

18. So she's brave for doing something properly characterized as "so what?" nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:44 PM

24. The point is women who don't want to shave shouldn't feel they have to because society expects it.

That's all. No biggie.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:49 PM

307. Theres lots of things society dictates

that I find utterly ridiculous. Having said that you chose the things you want to conform to yourself.

She doesnt want to shave, That's fine with me.

Expecting people to change what they find attractive is a battle she will not win. Sounds to me like she found someone that is fine with it. Lucky girl!

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:09 AM

102. I agree with your sentiments.

Most people are capable of saying "yea so what, we've seen that before." Just like we've all seen slightly overweight women in bikinis at the beach with rolls hanging out (who cares), or people who choose not to get their teeth fixed (fine, whatever).

Maybe this young woman feels brave to be showing the world that she accepts herself this way. That is the only interesting aspect about the whole thing. It's like a navel-gazing, look-at-me! blog.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #102)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:13 AM

143. Exactly...it's a writer with a Huffpo blog. Call me a cynic, but I wouldn't call this

brave so much as marketong.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #102)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:00 PM

206. So why respond?

Sorry. Just not 'getting' your POV.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #206)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:50 PM

222. I responded because I didn't want msanthrope to feel like she was alone in her views.

I do that on occasion. Sometimes I reply to people just because I agree with them, which may seem strange for a discussion board, which is naturally more conducive to arguing and bickering.

masanthrope probably should have just hit the "hide thread" button but since she couldn't resist commenting and said pretty much what my opinion is on the topic, I felt like chiming in just to say that I agree with her.

Everybody else is spouting their opinions, so how about a round of Choosing not to shave does not make you inherently fascinating.

Somebody had to say it!

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Response to Quantess (Reply #222)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:10 PM

329. heretic!

Can we pillory someone now?

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:51 AM

75. Ha. Society all but demands that women shave. This woman is telling society to fuck off.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #75)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:04 AM

79. In a skirt, having her boyfriend taking the pix for her blog on HuffPo? No...this woman is a writer

finding her niche. I salute her.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #79)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:07 AM

80. So she's not brave because she wrote about it? Seriously? If this were a women's studies course...

And you said such a thing, you'd be lucky to get out alive.

Welcome to the 21st century. Where women are now allowed to express their discontent with systemic sexual oppression in public forum.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #80)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:34 AM

145. No..she's a 'writer' because she wrote about it. She's perfectly free to post what

she wishes, as am I to comment on it.

Women's Studies??

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:52 PM

36. i vote brave too. and even if she isn't, so what. lol (thank god for laser)

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:56 PM

204. I agree. It's brave.

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Response to narnian60 (Reply #204)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:02 PM

231. I agree. It is brave. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:55 PM

40. I'm guessing you are not a woman?

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #40)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:11 AM

45. That is a rather poor guess, given my username. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #45)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:16 AM

94. you want I should kick misidentifying robinlynne ass, misanthrope?

JUST SAY THE WORD!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #94)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:37 AM

147. I find I am generally mistaken for a male when I voice an opinion,

strongly. That women do this, more often than men, is disconcerting.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #147)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:44 PM

187. you think you need to tell ME that, misanthrope?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #187)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:57 PM

194. No. I do not.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #147)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:33 PM

331. WHOAH. wrong interpretation!

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:33 PM

330. oops.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:48 AM

50. See response #12

Which, in my experience as someone who only sporadically shaves and doesn't talk about it, is a very common response.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:18 AM

86. I'm thinking her hairy legs are making you uncomfortable.

You'd prefer to put a brand on her than discuss the issue she brings up.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #86)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:10 AM

142. As someone who grew up in a culture where shaving is not the norm....no. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:16 PM

245. Sounds more like it annoys you. n-t

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:57 PM

238. Seriously? That's the best reponse you have for this?

To tell someone that their thoughts and feelings about bucking what (current) society demands are "too much information" is a thinly veiled attempt to curtail any discussion that makes you feel uncomfortable.

You may not find it interesting, and that is fine. You may not agree with it, and that is fine.

Not everything put out in the world is meant for everyone to consume. If you don't like it, just move on. Why try to silence others? Just because you don't agree with them?

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #238)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:35 PM

253. Three letters silences this writer???? She should grow a thicker skin. nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:24 PM

3. cute skirt.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:28 PM

6. Good for her. For 99.99% of human history, we have not shaved.

Let's be real.

K/R

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:31 PM

7. That's why women wore stockings

Nylons started to be produced in 1939. Silk, nylon and rayon stockings were not very sheer at first.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:31 PM

8. If my wife decided to go natural, I wouldn't mind all that much...

Dated a girl in college who didn't shave.

Since I have 12" head hair and hair all over my body except my palms and feet have at it.

To me the worst feeling was when a woman shaves and then let just enough to grow back and then toss their arm around me in bed, well, that's a little put offing since it scratches like crazy.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:32 PM

9. People should only shave if they want to.

Who cares what others think?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:34 PM

11. GROSS.

Sorry if that is not the politically correct response.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:39 PM

16. plus one.

 

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:54 PM

38. Most mammals have hair. Get with the program. nt

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:56 PM

41. um yea

 

no thanks

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:43 AM

48. why is it Gross ? men walk around like that all the time

is that gross also ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #48)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:06 AM

55. Why yes, yes it is. n/t

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Response to JI7 (Reply #48)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:12 AM

84. Lots of men have their hair called gross.

"Back hair, ewwww!"
"Ear hair, ewww!"
"Hairy white stomach, ewww!"
""Filthy, unkempt beard!"
"You need a shave!"
Etc.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #84)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:26 AM

122. Point made

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #84)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:58 AM

136. I married a hairy man.

he actually has a hair suit. Chest, back, shoulders, legs....good lord he is one hairy man - and I like it. I shave. Maybe TMI, but I love the feeling of his hair against my shaved bod. Plus, he keeps me warm in the winters.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #84)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:36 PM

153. And yet there is no default position that men are EXPECTED to shave

all of those areas even when no one calls the hair gross. Women are expected to shave their pits and legs even when they have only sparse, light colored hair in those areas.

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #153)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:48 PM

221. Well, to be fair...

Men w/long (head) hair are often viewed along a certain sterotype... (at least back in my day)

I'll never forget how in the late eighties/early-nineties my SO got called out by the local police constantly, for like... nothing. One time, I got pulled over for an improper lane change, but HE had to come out of the car w/his hands on his head! (He had said and/or done nothing to warrant this btw)...

He grew up in a very poor home w/a tar-paper shack, and an outhouse until he was 17...hauling wood w/ponies, and also working his ass off at a local Sawmill from the time he was about 15 yrs old-on. Meanwhile, I got the old, "what is a nice girl like you"...?-thing)

In addition to that, my landlord treated him entirely different once he got a buzz-cut in the early 90's just before our move. (It was hot that summer). This is another reason why I truly believe that much of the BS had something to do w/the hair... People profile others, and it isn't pretty.

There is not a lot of racial diversity here where I live, so I guess cops go by other things? Classicism seems to be rampant here. After all, authoritarian types always need a 'bad guy', and at the time 'long hair' on a guy worked for them.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #221)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:03 PM

232. Note that I mentioned cultural conventions on head hair in my post

but those are not exclusive to men. Women have broader latitude on hair length and style but are still judged based on cultural expectations on length and styling just as men are on hair length and facial hair.

In our culture there is no expectation that all men shave or remove body hair elsewhere while there are long standing cultural expectations for women.

I remember when long hair on a man got him unwanted attention from others -- from mostly other men, oddly enough.

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #232)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:32 PM

249. Yes, you are right, and I don't disagree.

Cultural expectations for women regarding these issues are indeed unfair. Though I personally am not about to make waves over it, I have absolutely no problems w/others who do... or even just women who quietly go about bucking the trend. That too is fine imho. Whatever works for them is fine w/me!

-I was just piggy-backing off of your post, even though I clearly got a bit off topic. Sorry about that!

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #153)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:26 AM

264. I expect a guy to be groomed.

Too much hair is not sexy. Guys should also groom their privates a bit.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #264)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:30 PM

292. Not sexy to you, and that's fine as a personal preference.

There are many others who like or even prefer hirsute guys. That's not what I'm talking about.

Little boys aren't raised to believe that they have to shave their visible body hair just to be considered presentable in public. No one tsks over men with hairy arm pits or legs exposing same in public. Girls and women are.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #84)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:24 AM

263. And all those women who made those remarks are right.

Guys that look like gorillas are not sexy. Women groom themselves, men need to do it too. I hate a hairy back and shoulders, take thee to a salon and get it waxed.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #263)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:53 AM

266. Counterpoint for men reading the thread:

Don't take beacool's response as representative of all women, please!

I'd much rather be with a guy who is comfortable with their normal body hair than someone who is so high maintenance and concerned with his own self-image that he spends time and money to go to a salon to get waxed.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #266)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:07 AM

268. + a brazillion

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Response to noamnety (Reply #266)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:16 AM

273. When did I say I spoke for all womanhood?

You like hairy men? That's your choice. I don't.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #273)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:56 AM

277. You categorically said "all those women are right."

Not that it was a personal preference of yours, but that "men need to do it too."

Really? They "NEED" to?

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Response to noamnety (Reply #266)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:27 AM

285. ...

"I'd much rather be with a guy who is comfortable with their normal body hair" and I respect both men and women who love and respect themselves and who do not try to fit some standard of a shallow society

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #285)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:13 PM

301. I wonder if this is a generation difference

As a boomer female, we never expected our men to shave/wax anything below the neck. Of course WE had to shave pits and legs! FYI to you young'uns out there, menopause solves the problem the natural way, I have no hair on my legs and very little pit hair (which I shave when needed).

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Response to JI7 (Reply #48)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:35 PM

235. Well, I'd argue yes.

...but I'm biased. My own body hair disgusts me. Other people's body hair disgusts me no-more-or-less than my own.

Other than that which I don't get rid of because would look too silly (elbows to wrists, knees to ankles, neck up) I don't have any. I used to shave it, then I decided that permanent eradication was preferable. I get touch-ups yearly. The hair on my head is 1/4" long, I crop it up daily when I get out of the shower with a hand-mirror and trimmers. I even maintain the length of my eyebrows.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:54 PM

308. yup

I find nothing at all attractive about mens hairy legs. Do you?

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Response to Egnever (Reply #308)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:16 AM

309. i don't find it gross

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:07 AM

81. Please post a self-portrait.

Thanks in advance.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:37 AM

111. CHILDISH

 

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:46 AM

116. YECH!

 

Walking on eggshells is ridiculous. If one finds something aesthetically displeasing, they have as much of a right to express that as she does to not shave.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:29 PM

168. Not politically incorrect at all. Superficial, maybe, but hardly rising to the dramatic level of...

Not politically incorrect at all. Superficial, maybe, but hardly rising to the dramatic level of political incorrect.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:28 PM

181. Her body, her choice.

Mind your own business.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #181)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:56 PM

333. "Mind your own business".... um....

The minute this self-important dipshit got on her soapbox and published her unsolicited manifesto on her personal grooming habits, on one of the most-read sites online no less, it kind of became the business of anyone with an internet connection and a desire to spend a few minutes reading about someone they'll never meet. It's kinda how the whole "publishing" thing works.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #333)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:13 PM

345. Nope, still not your business.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #345)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:17 PM

347. May I suggest...

You familiarize yourself with the etymology of the word "publish"?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:15 PM

199. Agreed, body hair on women is not attractive. n/t

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:17 PM

246. Bet you are a real catch. n-t

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:54 PM

256. GROW UP!

Sorry, Nye Bevan, if that's not a politically correct response.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #256)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 06:55 AM

270. I accept your apology (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:43 PM

336. wrong spot. nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:34 PM

12. I don't shave either...

I'm a guy, sure, but hey, people are mammals. Most of us have hair.

I don't "get" shaving by men or women, I find the sensation of shaving very unpleasant (scrrch, sccrrrch, screch ) and usually end up with rash.

She looks great!


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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:35 PM

13. I started living in scrubs and jeans full time when I went into nursing

and stopped bothering to shave, use depilatories, or roast my arms and legs in the sun to bleach the fur out so it wouldn't be so noticeable.

A lot of cultures don't bother to shave. We are stuck with it because we're stuck with fashion mags that use barely pubescent girls made up to look 40 for their photo shoots and that's the ridiculous standard of beauty, grown even more ridiculous with the crotch waxing or shaving. Other cultures find dripping hot wax all over yourself so the hair can be pulled out by the roots is weird and I have to agree with them.

I wish the industry would change gears but I doubt they ever will.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:36 PM

14. I prefer Earth women in their natural form. No additions, subtractions or substitutions required.

PB

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:39 PM

17. there are real advantages to being a natural blonde

yes INDEED

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:41 PM

19. lol

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:47 PM

30. I only shave my legs for a first date

my legs can be so hairy but on one can really see

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Response to Skittles (Reply #30)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:50 AM

99. That reminds me of an old Country and Western song called,

"And I shaved my legs for this?" Any woman who has ever gone out on a date, gotten all dolled up and ended up with Mr. Loser for the evening, wondering why the hell she didn't stay home with a good book can relate to that song.

Btw, the joke around my house is that I shave every June whether I need to or not.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #99)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:05 AM

107. LOL

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #99)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:51 AM

317. I know that song

and the feeling.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:45 PM

25. Ain't that the truth. n/t

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:47 PM

31. Yup !!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:49 PM

32. Not always

I'm blonde. On my head. My legs, pits and the kitten are black as night. Dammit.

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:11 AM

83. While I'm a natural brunette/auburn on my head

and blonde on my body.

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:55 AM

91. I really wish I had dark eyebrows

yes INDEED

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Response to Skittles (Reply #91)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:21 PM

234. And eyelashes.

On the rare occasions I bother with makeup, I'm more likely to "paint" the tips of my eyelashes with liquid eyeliner than glop on mascara.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #234)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:51 PM

237. omg don't even get me started

hey - I might try that tip - I don't really care for makeup but if I wear nothing on my eyes people tell me I look tired

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Response to Skittles (Reply #237)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:35 PM

291. The kind of eyeliner I find least annoying has an applicator that looks more like

a felt-tip pen than a brush. And you should tell people you are tired from all the ass-kicking you do, but you're always willing to fit in one more.

on edit: dark brown is dark enough. Black eyeliner is too effing stark.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #291)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 08:22 PM

305. a drag queen taught me how to apply eyeliner

true story

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Response to Skittles (Reply #305)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:22 AM

313. I need lessons

I never get it right.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #305)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:36 AM

324. LOL, doesn't surprise me at all. n/t

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #324)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:20 PM

335. well she caught me staring at her

I think I looked a bit steamed, wondering how a guy dressing up as a gal had the nerve to be such a pro at makeup (as opposed to someone like me, who has always been a gal and always sucked at it).........so of course I had to confess - I could not have her think I was judging HER

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:10 AM

82. I'm not a blonde

but I have very light and scant body hair.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #82)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:47 PM

189. I CAN KICK LIGHTLY/SCANTILY-HAIRED BAINSBANE ASS

you know I had to try that!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #189)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:51 PM

223. LOL

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:51 AM

126. Indeed

I have very little body hair and what I have is nearly invisible.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:42 PM

20. pretty gross

 

Sorry, but that is what I think about that. Yuck.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:13 AM

58. Me too. n/t

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Response to quinnox (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:22 AM

113. x2

Eeek.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:06 PM

178. I could deal with the armpits

But the legs are a huge turnoff.

They're her legs and she can do what she wants with them... except attract men.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #178)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:50 AM

311. Aw - do you really think men are that shallow?

That's too bad.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #311)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:19 AM

312. The opposite of discriminate is indiscriminate.

Few men are completely indiscriminate.

I am confident that the heterosexual men who are turned on by the legs they see in the locker room are a distinct minority.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #312)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:48 AM

321. My point is that I'm sure the woman in the picture can attract men just fine...

if such men are more interested in meaningful things, like her intellect and personality, rather than her leg hair (which begs the question of whether her purpose is to attract men in the first place, but that's a whole 'nother matter).

And what does the locker room have to do with a woman's legs? Why would she be in a men's locker room? Or do you really think that she looks like a man?

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #321)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:39 AM

325. A person only has to attract one mate, I guess.

Were the leg photo posted by itself without the context of the rest of the article, I would have assumed it was a young man in a skirt.

If my wife had shown me legs like these on our first meeting, there probably wouldn't have been a second. That said, if I saw them on the third date, it would no longer have been a deal killer.

Knowing nothing other than a) the photos and b) the fact that she considered it important that DU and the rest of the internet melt down over it... first impressions are not favorable.

The core thing about this argument is the idea that she should be entitled to the guy of her choosing without the need to do anything to attract him, and that he is shallow if he instead chooses a partner who doesn't mind basic grooming.

She is, of course, perfectly entitled to actively alienate men, but the result is hardly their fault.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #178)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:25 AM

314. because you speak for all men on planet earth

There are actually men who prefer body hair.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #314)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:59 AM

318. There are apparently guys who hide in portable toilets, waiting for women to use them.

So you are undoubtedly correct. There's a fetish for everyone... but I think it's a narrow market.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #318)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:46 AM

319. There are men below who indicate otherwise

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #318)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:51 AM

322. ...and there are men who don't have a preference one way or the other...

which is hardly a fetish.

Some might even say that the aversion to body hair is actually the fetish.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:43 PM

21. Ewwww

Sleeping with her hairy legs must feel like being with a man. There are just certain grooming standards where social pressure is a good thing.

Her poor boyfriend

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:26 AM

65. Poor her, if he's that shallow to judge her by such. jmho. nt

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Response to Ter (Reply #155)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:53 PM

156. Wow, are you in the right place? nt

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #156)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:05 PM

164. Yes, Democratic UnderSmooth

 

n/t

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Response to Ter (Reply #155)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:31 PM

169. What specifically leads you to believe that?

" If I had to bet, I'd bet she smells too..."

What specifically leads you to believe that?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #169)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:13 PM

197. Well, hair magnifies odor, so...

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Response to Ter (Reply #243)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:24 PM

251. WTF?

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Response to Ter (Reply #243)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:52 PM

255. It's not a matter of 'laziness'

It's more like if society expected you to paint your face blue every day and you decided you would rather look like your normal self. That decision would have nothing to do with not showering. It's actually more of matter of self-respect - respecting one's self enough not to just do what the group is doing / expecting (whether that expectation actually makes sense or not).

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Response to Ter (Reply #243)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:43 AM

265. People stink. I think it's a survival mechanism.

The predators get one whiff of human and say "No way, I ain't eating that, let's go find an antelope!!!"

Having lived in the field as a biology and paleontology student I soon learned that not showering daily wasn't much of an issue.

Human skin and hair becomes a whole 'nother stable ecology and it's not intolerable.

No matter how long you don't bathe, weeks even, you never end up smelling worse than those you are sleeping with.

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Response to Ter (Reply #243)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:10 AM

269. And I bet she doesn't douche every day either like all non-lazy wimmen should! I'm SERIES!!11111

good grief

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Response to Ter (Reply #155)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:35 PM

170. How much makeup are you wearing?

Do you have hairy pits and legs, and if so, do you smell?

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Response to City Lights (Reply #170)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:08 PM

241. I buzz my legs and pits

 

Makeup is not for males either, unless you are in an 80's hair band. Some things are for specific sexes. Deal with it, we're different.

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Response to Ter (Reply #241)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:23 AM

283. "Some things are for specific sexes"

yes, as dictated by a shallow society...

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Response to Ter (Reply #155)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:10 PM

179. You sound like a fourth grader

BTW I bet she gets laid more than you.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:57 PM

258. I'll take homophobia for a thousand, Alex!

LittleBlue has some growing up to do.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #258)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:01 AM

259. Homophobia?

Homophobia because I think hairy legs and pits are masculine traits!?

Sounds legit

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #259)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:03 AM

260. Because you think "masculine traits" are bad.

What, are you afraid they're contagious?

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #260)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:11 AM

261. I don't think all masculine traits are bad

Just hairy legs and pits on women, that's a bit too masculine. Beards too. Which puts me in the same group as 90% of other men.

We must all be homophobic.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:43 PM

22. Her business.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:43 PM

23. She should have

someone braid that pit hair.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:45 PM

26. She looks fine to me. It's just hair. As long as she's clean and a nice person, I wouldn't care.

If she was a right winger..THAT would matter.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:45 PM

27. Young girls growing up need more role models like this. Nature is beautiful.

Barbies, boobies, makeup and nails really send the wrong message.

Sorry to see that it offends some folks, it really shows how powerful conditioning is.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:47 PM

29. +1

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:05 AM

141. + a brazillion

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:12 PM

180. You've got that right!

Conditioning! It's really made our society terribly artificial.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:46 PM

28. I shave because I like the feel of silky

smooth skin. It doesn't matter if I'm not going outside of the house for a month - I shave to please myself.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:50 PM

34. Same here

I go longer between shaving my legs in the winter, but I cannot stand hair in the pits. It just feels gross to me. I don't care what anyone else does, though. It should be a personal choice, not something to please others.

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:54 PM

39. I don't care what anyone else does either...

I do kind of resent the attitude that women who shave are only doing it to please someone else.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:17 AM

59. Some are, sadly

I have had that conversation with many of my friends. They don't feel like shaving, but they do it because he thinks it's yucky.

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #59)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:24 AM

121. Yeah. We need more selfishness on our society

Do I really need a sarcasm tag? With attitudes like this, is it any surprise we have such a high divorce rate? I shave my face, chest, back and crotch for my wife. It most certainly is NOT a hard or time consuming task.

God forbid people do something their significant other likes. We would all be much better off if people said "fuck off" to their significant others more often.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #121)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:54 AM

149. Wow

That's a stretch. Not shaving automatically means a woman can't do something nice for her significant other and that she's telling him to "Fuck off?" Really?

Relationship tip - there are other things people can do for their SOs other than shaving. It's a big world out there.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #121)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:27 PM

166. wow, if she wants you to shave all that much, she probably should have picked a hairless man ....

so much for loving you just as you are!

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Response to Scout (Reply #166)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:34 PM

229. A relationship is about many things

If the biggest thing your SO wants is for you to shave, consider yourself damn lucky. If course, the cop out is we should all demand our SO not desire ANYTHING we don't want.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #229)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:47 PM

298. yes, it is.

that's why i was surprised that since you seem to be otherwise her perfect mate she couldn't overlook at least SOME of your body hair. Wow.

you go right ahead and DEMAND that our SOs not desire ANYTHING we don't want, cuz i'm not doing that, 'k?

my first husband had a hairy back, which i didn't like that much, but i certainly didn't demand, or even request, that he shave his back to please me.

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Response to Scout (Reply #298)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:33 PM

306. Maybe because you knew he wouldn't do it for you

I don't live in Lala land and think I am perfect. I am always more than happy to accommodate my wife.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:59 PM

162. do you spend much time caressing your legs?

feeling your armpits?

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Response to Scout (Reply #162)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:28 PM

167. No -

I like the way my legs feel against the sheets when they are shaved. I don't need to caress my armpits, my arms can feel my armpits if they are hairy. Why do you care? Isn't shaving is much a choice as not shaving?

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #167)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:32 PM

183. who said i cared? i was asking a question.

i find it funny to think about shaving because you like the way your legs feel, thus my question of caressing your own legs.



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Response to Scout (Reply #183)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:58 PM

196. Maybe it was the eye rolling emoticon

that indicated there was some snark going on.

If you've never experienced the feel of freshly shaved legs against cool, freshly laundered sheets, you are missing a tactile treat.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:24 PM

302. +1

I absolutely hate the time in between waxes! I like my skin smooth as well.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:49 PM

33. My wife got rid of her body hair when she went on a Central American trip a few years ago.

I mean all of it, from the neck down.

She was outdoors for most of about 30 days. Camping in hot jungle and beach conditions.

She was thankful she took the advice to do it.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:45 PM

188. not her head hair? i don't understand why having stubble growing back in would make her

 

more comfortable in the jungle.

or why leaving her head hair would keep her cool, since the head is the source of the most body heat.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:13 PM

244. "She was thankful she took the advice to do it."

 

And so were you.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:52 PM

35. Whatever makes her happy.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:53 PM

37. Geez I need popcorn for this thread



We're really into peer pressure as a species. I say: her body, her choice.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:59 PM

42. Cool. Shaving is Sooo Aughts. nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:00 AM

43. the other half has said many times she would break the bank if there was a say to do some kind of

 

permanent hair removal system

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:44 PM

236. Electrolysis is mostly permanent.

You'd need a yearly touch up but that's minor. It's excruciating though. You'd have to do it over the span of a few months.
UV is less permanent and you'd need to get touched up every few months but is comparatively painless.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:02 AM

44. Do what makes you comfortable. I always considered non-shaving women attractively natural, but

I know social pressure is real

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:20 AM

46. I shave my chest, back and crotch and am a man

I do it because my wife likes it. Certainly not the huge time killer or pain that some people like to make it out to be. Do I have to do it? Of course not. But if she likes it, why would I not want to so it for her?

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:22 AM

62. Likewise, I cater to a significant other's desires

Its just hair. Not all that important either way.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:35 AM

110. Same here.

Hairless from the neck down.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:40 AM

47. Found this interesting article from Jezebel


400 Years of Women Removing Their Body Hair


In other words, are those pictures just "representations" of the female form of the time, or is that what women really looked like? Like most of us, Burke, too assumed the recent trend of extreme hair removal was just that — recent. She cites a study of UK women from 2005 that found some 90% of lasses mowed off the hair from underarms and legs, while 80% tamed their brows and bushes, figures which mimic those of the U.S. and Australia. Femininity, as any woman can tell you, involves doing a shit-fuck-ton of alterations to the natural to arrive at this softer, less hairy, and therefore more alluring, self, a paradox feminists have typically argued is a distinctly modern problem. Or is it?

If you look more closely at the premodern period, however, these assumptions are hard to sustain. It is a commonplace in today's psychological literature that body image and the desire for body modification of all kinds is profoundly affected by an unconscious assimilation of images taken from a variety of media sources. It is impossible to conduct psychological experiments, of course, on long-dead subjects, but my question is – can the proliferation of images of the female nude from the early sixteenth century onwards have affected women's notions of their own bodies?



This part---good God.

How to Remove or Lose Hair from Anywhere on the Body
Boil together a solution of one pint of arsenic and eighth of a pint of quicklime. Go to a baths or a hot room and smear medicine over the area to be depilated. When the skin feels hot, wash quickly with hot water so the flesh doesn't come off.


More;

http://jezebel.com/5969490/400-years-of-women-removing-their-body-hair

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #47)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:52 AM

52. Second excerpt: NAIR

especially on a sunburn!

(And no, I wouldn't possibly know that from personal experience)

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:26 AM

66. Heh! I have a gentleman friend

Who used Nair to remove hair from his chest. He accidentally got a bit on his nipple. It sounded very, very painful.

(he said "but it so smooth afterwords"--in sarcastic disgust)

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #66)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:54 PM

157. Any kind of wound or skin fragility and NAIR

is a very bad combination.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:45 AM

49. I'm not attracted to it, but her body, her choice.

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:51 AM

51. I am one guy who is not bothered by this at all


I think it's just as attractive as women who are shaved. And when it comes to private parts I prefer them un-shaved. Sorry if that is too much info.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:55 AM

53. To each their own

I personally prefer smooth skin in some areas, but that's just my preference.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:00 AM

54. One of the up sides of having a non-functioning thyroid...

...no more hair to shave. Of course, it messed with my eyebrows, too, but small price to pay.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:07 AM

56. Good for her. Everybody deserves the right to maintain and adorn their own bodies

without being shamed or pressured...

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:10 AM

57. Doesn't bother me a bit

I don't judge a woman by her follicles.

I judge her by her cuddliness in bed.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:19 AM

60. Female body hair will go away as you

get older.

I didn't notice exactly when it happened, menopause or later, but for some time now I haven't had any hair on my legs and just a little underarms, which I take off a few times a year.
Yes, I qualify for senior discounts.

On the other hand, a woman tends to get some hairs on her upper lip and chin as she ages.
So, I'm not sure it's a good trade-off.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #60)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:48 PM

173. Yep. The hair on my forearms and legs is almost invisible

Wish the hair on my head weren't also thinning!

OTOH, some hair loss is due to meds. or disease rather than aging so concerned women should check it out.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #60)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:41 AM

290. Same here at age 52

I don't have to shave my legs and pits nearly as often and the hair on my arms is nearly gone.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:23 AM

63. I have shaved

my pits and legs,3 times.I thought it was stupid,waste of time,like mowing grass, So I stopped at 14.I dunno how much had to with me being a Transman,but shaving creates an effect like a grown woman has skin like a child.When you think of it that way it's just horrible,Shaving, in effect,like being very thin,worrying about facial wrinkles,etc.keeping women looking like little girls.Grown adults grow hair.Little kids don't,so why is shaving such an issue and to whom?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:24 AM

64. It does take courage.

Contrary to what some here seem to think, it does take courage to buck social norms.

Come on, women are under a lot more pressure than men to conform to society's standards of appearance.

If that wasn't true, women collectively could quit spending billions of our less-than-men-earn income, and we could put it into donating to the election of candidates who would make women's rights a priority.

I know from personal experience that if I don't shave off the hair from my arm pits and legs, and then go out in public in clothing which reveals that fact, I get horrified looks from complete strangers. They look at me as if I haven't bathed in the last month.

I have trouble feeling o.k. about being hairy in places that are not socially approved of, mainly due to the constant bombardment of what is acceptable in terms of standards of appearance for a woman, and the ridicule I have experienced because I don't look like the women in the magazines, on t.v., in movies, etc.

Expecting adult women to look like we have not gone through puberty is sick and incredibly sexist.

Most people don't realize that our current standard of removing all hair from women's bodies began as part of the Inquisition. The 'judges' were afraid that the accused woman could hide a spell in her body hair, which would overcome the will of the 'judge'.

Removing one's body hair is about fashion, not about cleanliness (except possibly, as one poster above pointed out, if one has to journey to the tropics.).

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Response to love_katz (Reply #64)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:12 AM

85. More so in LA

Assuming that's where she lives.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #85)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:07 AM

108. The article says she lives in Malaga. (no text)

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Response to love_katz (Reply #64)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:31 AM

104. I lived in Darwin (very tropical) for 6 and a half years.

Lots of hairy armpits there of both sexes.

I'm male and never had any problems with pit or pubic hair. Why would it be different for women.

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Response to SwissTony (Reply #104)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:13 PM

341. I'm thinking if someone is in a jungle in a tropical place,

they might encounter ticks and other parasitic creatures that would be harder to find in hair. That's just a guess.

Women do also have internal plumbing. If it stays too incredibly moist there, it can lead to yeast and urinary tract infections. Neither of those are something you want to put up with if you are busy doing stuff in a jungle. A yeast infection is annoying as hell. A urinary tract infection makes you feel like you are dying and zaps all of your strength. Those are just guesses and general answers to your question though. I would think the woman mentioned in the other post should be the one to ask to find out her reasons.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #341)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:09 PM

344. I agree and disagree.

Yes, in certain environments, ticks and other parasites are more likely than in other environments. But you're more likely to get them on your head and upper body than on your pubes. I had to check my dog on a frequent basis for ticks in Darwin and the only ones I found were on head and neck.

I agree that women's plumbing is rather more intricate than that of us guys. But a relative humidity of essentially 100% is the same whether you're in a jungle or not. I don't see that shaving your pubes is going to help. Of course, it could be that the jungle adventure involved wading across rivers, although even then I don't see how a lack or presence of pubes would help. I can't cite any Darwin data on this as you only get to wade in a river once (we have big fellas swimming up and down).



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Response to love_katz (Reply #64)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:44 AM

140. my family still cannot resist armpit jokes even tho i haven't shaved

in over 30 years.
no, i don't give them many chances any more. that's the kind of bullying i can get on any street corner in chicago. don't need them.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:34 AM

67. Come to Oregon.

You will find a lot of comrades here!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #67)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:42 AM

89. That was my thought

I live in Portland. Not seeing the society bucking here. Perhaps its different other places, but I seem to recall seeing hipsters having spread everywhere I've been recently

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #89)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:52 AM

135. And take in the Oregon Country Fair

All the hip who are usually hidden in the woods somewhere suddenly appear all together, and women who shave are probably in the minority.

http://www.jqjacobs.net/photos/fair/

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #135)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:06 PM

339. Note to self:

Try to visit Oregon Country Fair one day. That looks like a very interesting group of people. It looks like it would be a lot of fun to get to know them . Where I live, anyone who dressed or looked like that would be immediately ostracized, sadly. I was born in hell but belong in heaven. That's the way I look at where I live as compared to places with interesting open minded people.

I love that stick that guy has. It is beautiful and would make for a great looking decoration in the house.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:36 AM

68. It reminds me of the furor in the 1960's over men with long hair....

Other than those DIRECTLY involved who on earth would care? Whatever you or you and your partner prefer is fine by me.

What a sad statement that some people would still judge you based on such an insignificant criteria. Its your body-screw anyone who gives you shit.

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Response to Rowdyboy (Reply #68)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:33 AM

286. +1

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:36 AM

69. I know quite a few elderly ladies...

who have a forest of fuzz on their faces...for some reason that kind of gives me the willies.
I am a guy who has very little body hair, what I do have looks odd so I shave everything. This girl however looks fine to me, Having spent time in Europe I see that many women there do not shave. It didn't bother me one way or the other.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:40 AM

70. What about facial hair?

Is she waxing it off or is it just not very noticeable?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:42 AM

71. A half century ago, in Spain, the "country girls" thought that women who shaved

were either very wealthy, or prostitutes.

In the middle east and some parts of southwest asia, it's common for men as well as women to remove the hair from armpits and privates. Sometimes, a rather painful practice known as "threading" is used to accomplish this. Some people also take down the arm/leg hair a notch using this method as well. It's basically using two pieces of thread to trap the hairs and rip them from one's body...OWCH!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:44 AM

72. I wish I had that confidence...

And I don't even have the "My hair is darker than hers" excuse. I would feel weird going two days without shaving, because I've been doing it for so long, plus it's sooo hot here.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:49 AM

73. Jesus H. Christ on a crutch!

- Do what makes YOU happy! And your boyfriend?, he sounds like a keeper......

K&R




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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #73)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:30 AM

125. Not a deal breaker

You did post this thread solely for my personal opinion right ? Seriously though if you're more comfortable au natural then that's what matters. Your boyfriend is a lucky man.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:50 AM

74. Good for her. It is a perfectly reasonable choice.

Shaving of one thing or another (including men's faces) is a fashion.




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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:54 AM

76. Your body has hair for a reason. Shaving it off is actually not a good idea at all.

It helps to wick away heat from sweat. It prevents chafing.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #76)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:03 AM

92. I dont believe that is accurate

Hair does have a purpose, but I suspect that those are not it, evolutionarily. I believe its functions are more for heat retention and maybe protection from the sun.

From personal experience, I have worse chafing with hair in certain areas than without. And again by personal experience, it traps heat and sweat quite effectively when allowed to flourish. And I assure you in my natural state, my coat is quite plentiful enough to provide copious personal experience in the arena.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #92)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:13 AM

93. Dartmouth disagrees with you.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~humananatomy/part_1/chapter_4.html

Hairs (or pili; pilus in the singular) are characteristic of mammals. The functions of hair include protection, regulation of body temperature, and facilitation of evaporation of perspiration; hairs also act as sense organs.


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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #93)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:02 AM

106. Getting rid of fur/hair was an important step in the evolution of humans


At least recent studies suggest so:
http://ljmu.ac.uk/NewsUpdate/index_119073.htm

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #106)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:28 PM

210. Evolution doesn't "get rid" of things.

Unfavorable characteristics die out as the species procreates. It was unfavorable to have full body hair for our species so the characteristic was reduced to the point where it was no longer unfavorable.

In other words, the amount of body hair we have right now is a favorable characteristic.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #92)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:37 PM

184. i was taught in anthropology that the remaining hair in crotch and pits,

where most of us have the most hair as opposed to legs and arms, if for LUBRICATION between moving parts. (also a little bit of X marks the spot for the crotch hair.)

i can't stand that feeling after i shave my pits, where my arm "sticks" as i move it around ... then of course the red rash and the bumps and potential ingrown hairs make it entirely NOT worth it to shave my pits.

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Response to Scout (Reply #184)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 07:12 AM

271. Interesting

I was taught in biology that hair was for temperature regulation and protection. Both of these functions seem to be fairly well duplicated, sometimes improved, by clothing. And that it occasionally takes on other functions, such as adding a sense, coloration for attracting a mate or camouflage, etc, but that the first two were its main function. And despite the link the other poster provided, everything I can find in my old a&p book, as well as in most places online, continue to indicate that those are its main functions.

I'm not big on shaving. Or nair. I tend to end up with way to many ingrown hairs for those to be pleasant options. But a good shearing is usually beneficial to my existence. Mainly to lower my naturally excellent heat retention abilities, but also to avoid trapping as much sweat. But implying that retaining hair is biologically important at this point in our culture seems misleading. In my mind it ranks up there with being afraid of tomatoes because they are from the nightshade family.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #271)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:44 PM

297. when our whole bodies were covered with hair, yeah, i get the temperature regulation.

but since we only have those "little" patches at crotch and pits, they have remained for lubrication since we don't need the hair that much for temperature regulation. who really knows though?

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Response to Scout (Reply #297)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:36 AM

315. Some of us still have bodies covered with hair.

lol.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #76)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:51 PM

338. I have alopecia...

and mine takes the form of universalis.

That means I don't have a single hair on my entire body.

I have never had a problem with "chafing" or "wicking away sweat".

I have no eyebrows, but I have never had an issue with the sun.

I have no eyelashes and never had an issue with getting things in my eyes more so than anyone else.

I have been this way since age 5, so I know a bit of what I'm talking about.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:55 AM

77. I've known some VERY furry blondes in my life.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:04 AM

78. What I find sad about threads like this

a. People who scream EW YUCK

But moreover

b. People who say more women (or men, or kids, or old people, or whatever) should do this.

No. People should be free to do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies. Me personally? I wouldn't get rid of my razor and shaving routine for anything - and I ain't doing for a lady (I like girls, ok?) other than the lady I see in the mirror every morning. And I ain't doing it because of peer pressure either. I like silky smooth skin. I'd shave even if I was single and living on a deserted arctic island.

The hairy girl in this thread though? If that's how she rolls, I'm cool with it. It might be a deal breaker for a relationship, but as a friend or colleague or stranger I don't give a fuck.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:20 AM

87. Her hair all over is absolutely gorgeous.

But them fucking toenails are really fucking terrifying.

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #87)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:31 AM

95. lol

I hadn't noticed, but your right, yuck!

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #87)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:17 PM

233. It was the first thing I noticed too! nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:21 AM

88. Does my opinion matter?

1) Is this me? No.

Therefor, my opinion doesn't matter.

Since she put herself out there, though... not my particular taste, but I honestly don't give two shits from a flying monkey. Don't know her, I'm not dating her, I'll probably never see her again besides those pictures.

Therefor, my opinion doesn't matter. Like, at all.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:45 AM

90. Until recent history that is what women looked like.

Just a reminder that prior to ww2 in the USA that is what a woman looked like. As for southern Europe it was considered a sign of being a prostitute to shave until the 1970s.

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Response to Emelina (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:27 AM

133. interesting. thanks.

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Response to Emelina (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:14 PM

152. European women perhaps, but check your history:

There is a rumor going around that women have only been removing hair from their legs for the last hundred years or so. Well that is true for American and European women. The fact that removal of body hair for Europeans wasn’t popular gives sense to the fact that American women didn’t shave, because most of the immigrants were European. However in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Middle Eastern countries, removing body hair was important. In fact these women removed most of their body hair, except for t the eyebrows. Egyptian women removed their head hair. Having hair down under was considered uncivilized. Now any men reading this should know the women were not the only ones to remove their pubic hair…

It was also considered uncivilized for men to have hair on their face. Having a scruffy face meant you were a slave or servant, definitely of lower class. Is that why corporate guys and politicians always have clean shaven faces? Do we associate a clean shaven face with someone powerful?


http://www.historyundressed.com/2008/03/ladies-have-you-ever-forgotten-to-shave.html

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Response to kiva (Reply #152)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:51 PM

190. and by 'egyptians' we mean 'the aristocracy'.

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:34 AM

96. The way you decided to title your OP is making me LOL.

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:36 AM

97. I'm horrible...

A woman that doesn't shave her legs or pits is a deal breaker for dating(not for a friend, though).
However, excessive makeup-ick.
Shaved bush-creepy, pedophily. I don't understand shaving pubes(beyond a little trimming).

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Response to PopeOxycontinI (Reply #97)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:46 AM

105. Kids have bare legs and underarms

I guess that makes you pedophily

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #105)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:22 AM

131. Oops

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Response to PopeOxycontinI (Reply #97)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:32 AM

144. So a shaved face is creepy and pedophilistic too, right?

Lack of facial hair is a sign of male prepubescence. Women who prefer clean-shaven men are secret pedophiles. QED

I'll respect just about any argument for the hirsute ladies (even though I think it's gross...I don't mind, ah, well-trimmed topiary, but the wild jungle is just nasty IMO) but the whole "prepubescent" thing drives me nuts. Not like adult women don't have other, way more obvious, secondary sexual characteristics like BREASTS AND HIPS. Now, a guy who likes flat-chested, straight-hipped, "boy-assed", hairless women might make me wonder...but frankly a shaved pubis by itself is no more pedo than a shaved face.

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Response to sir pball (Reply #144)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:57 PM

160. ^^This!^^

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:38 AM

98. She's habitat for an endangered species...crabs or pubic lice are almost extinct.

Some might call them vain, but fans of pubic hair removal have a new argument for their painful habit: stopping the spread of crabs. Doctors in the U.S. and Australia have seen a dramatic decline in the number of people affected by pubic lice in the past decade since the style of grooming known as a Brazilian wax has gained popularity.

Pubic lice, crab-shaped insects which suck on the blood of hosts that most often make their home in pubic hair, have been with humans for thousands of years. But an increased focus on hair removal has curbed cases of lice dramatically. In Australia, Sydney's largest sexual health clinic has not seen a case of pubic lice among women since 2008, according to Bloomberg.

"It used to be extremely common; it's now rarely seen," Basil Donovan, head of sexual health at the University of New South Wales and a physician at the Sydney Sexual Health Centre, told Bloomberg. "Without doubt, it's better grooming."

"Pubic grooming has led to a severe depletion of the crab louse populations," added Ian F. Burgess, a medical entomologist with Insect Research & Development in England. "Add to that other aspects of body hair depilation, and you can see an environmental disaster in the making for this species."


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57563803/brazilian-bikini-wax-making-crab-lice-endangered/

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #98)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:59 AM

278. Won't SOMEBODY think of the crab louse?!?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:51 AM

100. Good for her!

Screw society and their stupid, and mostly unrealistic, expectations of women.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:10 AM

101. Her Body Her CHOICE as it SHOULD be!

 

Surprised at the number of negative comments but then again I am not.

More people need to mind their own business in this country and stop worrying about what other adults do, eat, drink, smoke, wear, love, cut off, fold, spindle and mutilate their body if they so choose.

If one is not harming or threating to harm other people or animals there is absolutely no f-ing reason to worry about what another person is or is not doing.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:21 AM

103. My late father lost all the hair on legs.

He worked loading frozen goods onto tractor-trailers and the travel in and out of the freezer killed all his hair follicles on his legs. To each his own no matter how they get there (safe and legal, of course)

If all the busy bodies didn't have a some weird hang ups about how everybody else looked the world could be a much saner place

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:32 AM

109. Good for you! Oddly, the only

hair I wish I could be permanently rid of is pubic hair, and that is mostly for hygiene reasons. Hair tends to absorb odors easily, etc I wish the was a cheap, painless way to get rid of it.

You look absolutely lovely, BTW.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:18 AM

112. To each his own

I happened to like shaving, I love when my legs feel silky smooth...my husband likes it too. We're all different and she's seems confident in her choices, I just wonder why she has to make such a big deal about it on this website?

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Response to vankuria (Reply #112)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:25 AM

114. It's a link to an article and people write articles about things all the time.

Plus, this is political in many ways. It's challenging beauty standards which are much harsher for women than for men and I think acknowledging that and exploring that is always a good thing. When I was in college, a classmate of mine did a remarkable video for a project about women's body hair. She had a bunch of women calculate the amount of time they spend getting rid of it. Just that alone gave me pause. We women give up too much of our time due to societal mores as it is.

So, it's just about making people stop and think once in a while about stuff we do all the time. That's always a good thing, imho.

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Response to LisaLynne (Reply #114)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:03 AM

137. Got it LisaLynne!

Thank-you for your insight. I agree beauty standards are much harsher for woman than for men although I never thought shaving my legs and underarms was cumbersome or time consuming. For me, I love the differences between men and women, I don't want to look or feel like a man, I love being a woman. I guess it's just a matter of what is right for the individual.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:27 AM

115. oh yeah!

 

lurves me some furry womenfolk.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:04 AM

117. Personally, I think this is a relatively safe exploration of personal independence

The unchallenged life is pretty boring.












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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:13 AM

118. A friend of a friend of a friend of mine just *might* know some

"specialty" websites catering to a unique clientele where a young lady with a webcam might augment her income?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:19 AM

119. I think she's beautiful that way.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:21 AM

120. I love how this has 119 responses

Slow day in GD.

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #120)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:48 AM

134. Between Snowden and Zimmerman, I'm pretty sure half of the GD regulars have ignored the other half

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:26 AM

123. I don't really care if she shaves or not

No, I do not find it attractive. But that's my deal, I'm sure she could give a shit. I shave my body hair and I'm a male. It makes my tats look better and I like smooth skin.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:28 AM

124. Ewwwww!!!

I just ate breakfest, Wtf

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:03 AM

127. I think it's pretty gross but

what ever floats your boat is good with me.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:08 AM

128. Fucking gross

Without reading any other responses....YUCK!!!!! It takes 5 minutes...about the amount of time it will take me to bleach my eyeballs after seeing those pictures

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:15 AM

129. I think its your choice.

In my community of women there are some who shave and some who don't. For black women, it really matters on skin type if you shave or not. Since we have extremely curly hair or coarse as some people call it, shaving may or may not be suitable. Our hair has a tendency to revert under the skin when growing back. We also suffer from more skin irritations from constant hair removal techniques. I believe in being well groomed but I also believe in health. I think no one should do anything just for cosmetic reasons. It should be because of personal choice and health. There is no reason to shave other than for appearance and personal choice. And if that floats your boat than its okay. You chose not to shave its okay. I cannot shave. My skin condition won't allow it. Underarms are not hairy. Had surgery where portions of my armpits were removed because of cysts and hair no longer grows. The surgery also made the need for deodorant obsolete. The need for my legs is not necessary. Though I am black most of the hair on my body is from light brown to blonde. Which make it barely noticeable. You go Girl!!!!!!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:22 AM

130. Not my thing.

If that's what she wants to do - who cares.

I do find her references to "suffering" and "torture" way over the top. Tell it to Malala, dearie.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:26 AM

132. One of my girlfriends doesn't shave. I don't care.

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Variety is the spice of life.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:12 AM

138. I am hairy, Hear me Roar



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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:37 AM

139. It's really simple. Everyone has the choice to shave or not shave, and everyone has the choice

to be with someone who either does or doesn't shave.

For me, the choice became easy once I saw a program on the biological/functional purpose that hair in underarms and pubic areas serves. The hair is supposed to hold odor for recognition by friends and potential mates.

Once I heard that, the decision was easy.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #139)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:12 PM

165. i disagree with you. when there is STRONG social pressure, there is very little free choice

we do things because we are expected to do them else face consequences such as people calling you gross or saying eww or just staring at you.

these choices are not equally freely made

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #165)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:01 PM

176. Good point. I didn't mean to discount that. I meant in terms of how I think it should be.

I think it should be everyone's choice and should be free of the kinds of pressures you note.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #165)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:02 PM

224. There is NO social pressure???

We just have skinny models being PHOTOSHOPPED so that they are even skinnier and various "imperfections" are also photoshopped away.

I applaud this young woman. She makes her own choices.

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Response to SwissTony (Reply #224)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:11 PM

225. i think you read me incorrectly. nt

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #165)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:15 PM

226. Sorry, my apologies.

I did not express myself very well. I actually agree with you 100%.

There is enormous social pressure on (young) women these days.

My apologies for my clumsy statement.

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Response to SwissTony (Reply #226)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:17 PM

227. oh no problem. sometimes i agree with people and they think i am disagreeing too!!

there is enormous pressure to take hair off and in my experience women contribute disproportionately to this pressure. i feel like its a rationalizing process, "if i had to take it all off, why should't you"

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:36 AM

146. As long as her spouse doesn't care, then she can do whatever she wants.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:49 AM

148. The responses in this thread -

illustrate exactly why it's important for the author and MORE women to "come out" and share their expression of "woman". "Ewww, gross!" What are you guys, 12?

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #148)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:04 PM

150. Right?

We're all attracted to certain things and that's fine. Shaming people because they don't shave and you think it's yucky is lame.

I also thinks it's funny that we're all about women choosing what to do with their bodies when it comes to reproduction, but when it comes to shaving we're all the cause of the high divorce rate because we choose not to shave and it's not nice for our partners.

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Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #150)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:42 AM

288. +1

for your post (and tree-hugging )

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #148)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:57 PM

161. +1 hair is policed so much more than sexuality in places like NYC

these days very few people stare when lisa and i walk in public or hold hands or whatever BUT if i dont shave my underars for even a few days, i totally see people STARING/GLARING at my pits. SO WEIRD

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #161)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:54 PM

191. "hair is policed more than sexuality" = +1. interesting observation.

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:07 PM

151. Do what you want, sister; just don't expect others to applaud.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #151)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:56 PM

159. Long pants would help (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #159)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:35 PM

212. are you implying women have a social obligation

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to look attractive for people they aren't even interested in?

Other than that, I can't think of anything pants would help her with.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #212)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:26 PM

248. never met a girl who dresses for a man. nt

 

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Response to Ter (Reply #154)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:36 PM

213. Why would you be imagining that?

At times when I shave, I'm certainly not thinking "I ought to do this in case creepers are imagining how my genitals look."

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:55 PM

158. i find it SO WEIRD when heterosexual women say EWWW to these pics, when they have sex

with men much hairier than that.

SO FUCKING WEIRD.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #158)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:01 PM

175. I find it so weird when heterosexual men disparage man-boobs,

when they are so enthusiastic about boobs on females.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #175)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:03 PM

177. aren't man boobs a sign of weight/obesity? whereas female boobs are a sign of being female?

which is kinda different than body hair. it maybe anti-fat bias, but its not a gender based appearance bias.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #158)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:40 AM

287. Good point. Cultural conditioning trumps rationality way too often. nt

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:00 PM

163. She's brave

I don't shave anything either, but i have sparse, light hair, so you wouldn't even notice. I have to commend the woman for taking flack for it, but if I had dark, thick body hair like that, I probably would shave.

And I do think its political, similar to not wearing a bra. Be yourself!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:46 PM

171. many more people who pretend individual expression is important have been conquered by social mores

If nothing else, this thread has illustrated to me that many more people who pretend individual expression is important have been conquered by irrelevant social constructs than I had expected.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #171)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:54 PM

192. +1

 

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:47 PM

172. I notice that she wears clothing and glasses. How unnatural!

She apparently lives indoors, too, and she probably bathes. Shocking!


Honestly, I don't care how a person expresses a preference in this regard. Her particular expression doesn't match up with my preference, but I imagine that she wouldn't give a shit, nor should she, because who the hell am I?

If someone opts to shave or not shave, I say good for them. If it's an aesthetic (rather than medical or hygienic) choice, then one option is no more enlightened than another.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #174)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:16 PM

200. Good lord, almighty!!

What an hilarious, crazy, weird, and sick thread all in one!! lol!

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Response to Enrique (Reply #174)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:38 PM

219. Just shy of a year ... I guess we were about due.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:32 PM

182. Shave or don't shave.





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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:39 PM

185. Shaving/hair removal/hair is gross on women's bodies has been taken to the extreme

So as a counter response she sort of takes it to the other extreme. As reasonable enough statement on her part, it would seem.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:41 PM

186. In the 60s

Maybe it's because I came of age in the sixties, but I don't understand the revulsion that many seem to feel. I have been married nearly 40 years, and I don't think my wife has worn make-up more than three times in those 40 years. She leaves her armpits au naturel most of the year, but feels the pressure to shave them in the summer, for sleeveless shirts, and bathing suits. Yes, it does take bravery for a woman to buck this norm, but it shouldn't.

Any heterosexual man who hasn't experienced the sensual thrill of nuzzling a clean, unshaven female armpit, has missed out. This is the source of pheromones - the scent of your mate, much of which doesn't even register consciously, is a huge part of the sexual bond. I'll often smell my wife's back and neck in the night - I don't really notice a smell, but the comfort and happiness it brings as I drift off to sleep is undeniable. When did humans become so afraid of nature's subtle signals?

But if you want to shave, anything, everything, go ahead. It's up to you and your spouse, and no one else should bat an eye however you choose to deal with body hair. Why the judgment? I don't get it.

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Response to naturallyselected (Reply #186)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:58 PM

195. my first response to the article was 'wait, didn't we already fight this battle in the 60s"?

 

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Response to naturallyselected (Reply #186)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:38 AM

310. Trust me my friend, its the same for homosexuals...Nuzzling my long-time partner's neck....

etc is very special to me. The impact of pheromones is incredibly important. The essential scent of a man calms me and makes me comfortable, just as your wife's pheromones do for you.

And I agree with you, why should anyone pass judgment on another for a decision like this? Its so very personal and really shouldn't be up for discussion-you should do exactly what makes you happy. Freedom to be who you want to be is what matters most What else is really important ?

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:57 PM

193. I don't like my junk hairy...

too sour...

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:15 PM

198. My humble opinion

Shave how you want. If your chosen style looks better to you without hair, then shave. If time and pain dictate otherwise, choose a compatible style, one you're comfortable with. I personally think she's cute with out without the hair.

FWIW, high heals are not a turn on for me. If I were single, I'd suggest to anyone that I dated to dress and groom for themselves and not me. Dating should be the process of getting to know a person. Better to know that person rather than the person they think you might like them to be.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:19 PM

201. On my planet ZIMDAR

we shave our pet plomferts and they walk us on leashes .

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:40 PM

202. I hope there will come a day when such pictures will no longer be shocking.

I admire and applaud this young woman.

If you think shaving is no big deal, consider those of us with curly hair. Whenever I shave, I get ingrown hairs. If I shave daily or even every other day, my legs get covered with dark-pink bumps within a week. I've tried electrolysis, but it's expensive and time-consuming. Worse yet, some electrologists are frauds, and it's often too hard to tell until it's too late: one woman, who was a certified electrologist, gave me large purple bruises. I stopped after several months' worth of treatments, but all the hair she removed grew back. I think she poked randomly. I try not to think about all the skin and tissue she burned.

I have finally resorted to shaving with the grain. This seems to prevent ingrown hairs, but the stubble is visible if you look closely. Worse yet, my legs are always scratchy. I would love to have the nerve to leave my body hair alone and walk around without having to worry about stares or comments.

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Response to athena (Reply #202)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:49 PM

203. I don't think that is a curly hair thing?

I have naturally curly hair (everywhere) and I don't have a problem with bumps, or scratchy skin and I shave just about every day. As long as I use a good lotion after my shower, I'm good. Maybe you have a skin problem?

And, you are brave to even go to an electrologist in my book! lol.

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #203)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:57 PM

205. Curly hair is considered a risk factor for ingrown hairs.

I don't have a skin problem. Perhaps your hair is softer than mine. Curly hair is known to be a risk factor for ingrown hairs. According to WebMD:

Anyone can get an ingrown hair. But the problem is more common in people who have very curly or coarse hair. Curly hair is more likely to bend back and re-enter the skin, especially after it's been shaved or cut.


Anyway, my point was that people should not assume that hair removal is easy for everyone just because it's easy for them. It is definitely a major problem for me, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

ETA: I thought all curly haired people got ingrown hairs; thanks for pointing out that this is not the case.

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Response to athena (Reply #205)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:05 PM

208. Well, it's a little course.

Maybe it's because I shave every day. No time for them to get "grown". lol! My hubby has silky, fine, soft hair and gets ingrowns more than any person I know. Yes, everyone is different. There is no right or wrong for this, in my opinion.

I wish everyone had the courage and conviction to be able to do (or not do) anything they wanted with their own bodies. That's why I said that even though I don't like the way she looks, it's her decision to make. She looks happy with her decision and that's what counts, right?

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #208)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:22 PM

209. Ingrown hair happens before the hair grows out.

The hair can't break through the surface of the skin and bends backwards. Shaving every day can't solve this problem. Consider yourself extremely lucky that you don't get ingrown hairs.

I don't like the way hairy legs look, either, but that's only because we're so used to seeing hairless legs on women. If it were OK for women to walk around with hairy armpits and legs, our definition of what looks good might change. Beauty standards do evolve over time.

ETA: I found this forum, where other curly-haired women report having this problem. So it's definitely not just me.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/127596-curly-leg-hair.html

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Response to athena (Reply #209)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:43 PM

220. Oh no!

I didn't think it was just you, or wasn't trying to tell you that you were doing it wrong! lol

I just caught the curly hair part and shared my experience.

Speaking of curly hair, for years and years I blow dried and straightened the hell out of my hair. About five years ago I said "Sissyk, the hell with this" and stopped. I now wear my hair loose and curly and really don't care if most of the world has straight hair.

It's much more healthy, lighter, and less split ends. I'm happy being the only one in a crowd with curly, too!

Take care, and good talking to you!

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Response to athena (Reply #202)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:02 PM

207. You don't have to get the

top of the lines razors, but get decent quality ones. I also use shave cream sometimes. Again, you don't have to use the pricey ladies versions. Barbasol works good, and Palmer's Cocoa Butter lotion afterward.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #207)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:30 PM

211. I have tried all kinds of razors.

It's a little strange, after posting about my situation, to be told by people who don't have my hair and skin and can't possibly know my situation better than I do, that I'm just not shaving correctly. I have tried all kinds of razors, shaving creams, lotions, loofahs, and scrubs over the decades. I have scoured the internet repeatedly for tips on how to deal with this. Nothing works. I simply get ingrown hairs when I shave. Waxing gives me even more ingrown hairs. And I don't like the smell of depilatories.

It's nice to know that shaving is not as difficult for everyone else as it is for me. I'm a little surprised that some people want to think it's easy for everybody.

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Response to athena (Reply #211)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:39 PM

215. Well, I'm sorry.

I was trying to be helpful.

It sounds to me as if you shouldn't bother shaving then. I hadn't really ever thought about the ease or difficulty of shaving for others, since I don't much care about other people's grooming habits.

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Response to athena (Reply #211)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:03 PM

216. Well, the important thing here

is that whether or not shaving causes you harm or pain, we need to have social pressure on you to do better, so you can appease random strangers on the internet who have creeped themselves out imagining what it would hypothetically be like to see you undressed.

That's what I learned from the thread so far.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #216)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:34 PM

218. LOL (n/t)

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:39 PM

214. Well, not my cuppa, but no harm done. She has a right to her looks and I'm glad she's brave.

I don't think it's attractive but if it was all that was out there I expect I'd get used to it and not give it a second thought.

Shallowly, I keep thinking her feet are enormous.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #214)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:51 PM

230. looks like her toenails need some attention too

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:08 PM

217. ... Every Article Ever Written About Intimate Grooming

The Comment Section for Every Article Ever Written About Intimate Grooming

1. It makes me feel cleaner.

2. Are you saying I’m dirtier than you are, because my vagina has naturally occurring hair? Hair that wicks bacteria and odors out of my vagina?

3. If you have hair in your vagina, you should see a doctor. The word is “vulva.”

4. Stop trying to make “vulva” happen. “Vulva” is never going to happen.

more: http://the-toast.net/2013/07/02/all-you-can-say-about-pubes-online/

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:07 PM

228. ...

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:58 PM

239. I think she's HOT

 

But i like the hairless girls too... I likem all i guess lol

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:05 PM

240. hairy pits on a chick is kinda hot I guess it's the unusualness of it that does it for me

But since I was a kid I liked hair. I don't know about the legs though.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:23 PM

247. shaving is an adaptive mating strategy

 

so, do what you want and get what you get.

different strokes! (but not of a razor)

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:38 PM

250. Other than having a full head of hair and growing facial hair when I don't shave,

I have no other body hair that is long or even noticeable. I am grateful for my genetics. I can see the woman not shaving because it takes time, but I don't see any other reason than it is her right to not shave.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:32 PM

252. Good for her

I shave as little as I feel I can get away with - my daughter does not shave at all.

Yes - we are out there (which I suppose could have a double meaning).

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:50 PM

254. This thread has 5280 views

well, 5281

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:56 PM

257. Good for this woman!

Don't let the net.douchebags tell you how you should and shouldn't look.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:19 AM

262. Her body, her hair.

Personally, I wouldn't be caught dead with all that hair. I don't think that it looks aesthetically pleasing and the underarm arm hair makes you smell worse when you sweat.

To each his/her own.



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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:03 AM

267. I think she looks great.

Society leads us to feel that body hair is a manly quality, but if that were the case, then why does body hair naturally grow on typical women also? Hair distribution on the forearms, underams, lower legs, and pubic area really doesn't differ all that much between men and women (on average I'm sure it's thicker for men, but it's not nearly as huge a difference as it seems). It's more of a (possible) sign of physical maturity than a sign of masculinity. Everyone has their own preferences but I've always preferred women who are comfortable with how they look naturally, who don't feel they have to shave anything or wear makeup to be impressive.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 08:12 AM

272. IMO self-confidence is super sexy

and to be a woman with that much hair who doesn't shave represents a shitload of self-confidence. Extra sexy!

Honestly, it is a choice in theory, but in reality there is a ton of social pressure on girls/women about this stuff, and so the 'choice' *not* to participate (eg not shaving, not wearing make-up etc) is an extra difficult one. It's not as simple as some make it out to be.

The saddest thing about this thread is the number of females who are 'grossed out' by this. It is likely projection, imo. They have spent time and money trying to deny that they are, in fact, human mammals, and they may even wish they had the courage to say 'fuck that shit' to the time and money spent on shaving, razors, creams, whatever. I expect that reaction from a lot of men, but not so many women.

Sad.

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Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #272)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:05 AM

289. shaving pressure to me is MUCH stronger than not wearing make-up

in fact to me the pressure to shave is stronger than the pressure to be straight or even to be skinny.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:23 AM

274. I'm in the live and let live crowd although

I find it odd that people would be grossed out by this.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:27 AM

275. If that's what makes you happy, do it.

 

I personally don't like it but if that's what you want to do then by all means, go for it. Life's too short to be worried about what others think.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:40 AM

276. I myself have been trying to figure out exactly WHY women have to remove hair from legs and pits.

Men don't do it. I say screw it. I shave my legs sometimes. I do shave my armpits because otherwise they itch. But I still don't get why women are supposed to do it. How did that start. Only thing I can think of is prepubescent girls have no hair on their legs or their pits. And women are always supposed to look like young women. But I don't know.

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Response to ejpoeta (Reply #276)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:07 AM

280. It was a marketing strategy from gillette during WWI

They teamed with the US military to give their razors to men fighting the war to build customers (because that's the job of corporations - to exploit war for profit in whatever way they could). Then they came up with a strategy to expand their customer base to women.

By 1915 we started getting print ads informing us that underarm hair was now "objectionable" - I assume only on women, because they already had men as customers.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #280)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:11 AM

281. thanks!!! that explains a lot. and cosidering how much it costs

for razors and refill cartridges.... they have sure done good for themselves

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Response to noamnety (Reply #280)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:34 PM

293. wow. thanks!...wait, does that mean...

women went were hairy before that? (i mean, it makes sense, women were never bald in the chocha before quite recently).

Now probably 1/2 of women under 25 get brazilan waxes.

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Response to allin99 (Reply #293)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:52 PM

299. Yep, the general population didn't shave arms or legs or anything else.

I think people are clueless that hair was the norm because photos don't show it - women wore long dresses and sleeves.

The idea that body hair is gross was something that had to be deliberately taught in order to create the market.

I don't see people going back on the idea that genitals should be shaved - I don't see it as a temporary fashion, not because it is inherently better, but because anything natural doesn't generate corporate profits.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #299)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:36 PM

303. "Bathing beauties" in early movies

(So I've read) were the inspiration for women to start shaving armpits 90-100 years ago; these "beauties" were shaven and it caught on. Makes sense, prior to that women's armpits were rarely if ever seen in public.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:01 AM

279. 277 (278) replies now ROFL

Let's talk about those toenails now...

Boyfriend should get to cutting!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:22 AM

282. And about a month ago there was this:

‘Anti-pervert’ hairy stockings apparently popular in China

A picture of what appears to be leggings designed to make your legs look hairy to repel potential attackers has gone viral after being posted on China’s version of Twitter.

A hairy fashion accessory reportedly sold in China is said to be an unconventional tool to help ward off unwanted attention.

"Super sexy, summertime anti-pervert full-leg-of-hair stockings, essential for all young girls going out," HappyZhangJiang posted on Sina Weibo, China's Twitter-like microblogging site.

The picture of what appears to be a woman wearing said hairy stockings has since gone viral, but it is unclear where exactly one can purchase the leggings.

Shanghai-based blog ChinaSMACK offered a series of other Sina Weibo posts about the tights, and one user said that emulating Sasquatch could have its drawbacks.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/fashion/hairy-stocking-rage-girls-china-article-1.1375987#ixzz2ZPIN483y

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #282)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:20 PM

296. wow.

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #282)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:58 PM

300. The contrast is food for thought.

1. Women understand that if they look attractive, they will get unwanted attention or harassment. This isn't exactly a big secret - it's pretty much common knowledge.

2. Despite this, there are a lot of people voicing their opinion that women shouldn't go out in public unless they first spend time and money (and sometimes pain, in the case of waxing) to make themselves look sexually attractive. The reason they should do this, apparently, is so that creepy random strangers who are imagining seeing, smelling, or touching their genitals should have a more pleasant experience.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:26 AM

284. Most interesting thread in GD for DAYS.

So sick of the tiresome snowden zimmerman pissing contests.

BTW this woman is an attractive person with or without the hair.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:54 PM

294. To each her own.

I'm a man who thinks everyone should decide such things individually. I don't shave my face, so I have a beard. I wouldn't dream of insisting that anyone do anything they didn't want to do.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:59 PM

295. Her body. She can do what she wants.

That being said, I think it's gross. I really don't like hair. I manscape many parts of my body because I personally don't like the hair. I would permanently remove all the hair on my body if I can afford it.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #295)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:49 AM

316. See, now I find that gross

tastes differ. To each his or her own.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #316)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:14 PM

327. Indeed!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:40 PM

304. I don't blame her.

I have hairy hippie legs myself

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:29 AM

320. Reminds me of Naples, Italy

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:12 AM

323. It's amazing to me

how many "liberals" here are slaves to modern fashion mores.

This thread is a great read. I'm wondering if the split between "it's fine" and "eww" is age related; is it the younger people who don't like body hair?

I'm fine with either. Having spent a lifetime removing leg and pit hair to "fit" the norm, and hating it, it simply goes beyond my comprehension that there are males who remove hair when there is no social pressure to do so.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #323)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:11 PM

326. Some of it is age-related

I'm a boomer female, in my age group it seems only "all-natural hippie" types did not shave legs and pits. Men were under no pressure to remove any hair below the neck. Certainly never occurred to my DH, not that I want him to.
My 27 yo daughter has scrupulously removed ever hair south of her head since she was a young teen.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #326)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:24 PM

328. Yes.

I'm at the tail end of the boomers. Legs and pits...yes, at least periodically. Less now than when I was young.

I can't imagine spending all the time to remove all that hair and keep it removed. Of course, I only get my hair cut once a year. I sometimes cut it myself at the 6 month mark.

I had sons. They are fully haired below the neck. The oldest wears a buzz and shaves. The youngest grows his hair long and wears a goatee. I've never asked them about their preference for haired or bare females, lol.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #323)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:45 PM

332. social pressure isn't just in words, it's what shown in the media. Media shows hairless males

models, actors in beach/pool scenes, reality "stars" walking around shirtless. The current "style" is hairless for males also.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #332)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:59 PM

334. True.

And I do understand the pressures to bow to current "style." I teach middle school, and they keep that anxiety and obsession in front of me.

Once I moved beyond high school, I also moved beyond caring about "style," and my personal grooming and wardrobe reflected what I liked, what I was comfortable with, and what I thought was appropriate for the setting and expectation of activity.

I did bow to expectations for "professional dress" at interviews, and, more moderately, at work. I need to make a living.

I understand social pressure. I just don't like to let it dictate to me when it comes to fashion.

Which leads me to wonder what my girls will be wearing when we start school in September, lol.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:45 PM

337. I have Alopecia Universalis...

And have it since the age of 5. I first lost it all at age 3, it sort of came back for a year, but then, poof! gone virtually overnight at age 5.

I have almost no concept of hair other than my last haircut given to me by my dad at age four on our porch.

I find the entire concept of hair fascinating and also ridiculous.

I am truly amazed at the ends to which humans will go to either remove hair or keep it. Not only that, the whole concept of paying a gigantic premium to some stranger to "cut it just" right is just plain weird.

While I do find hair aesthetically interesting, I find the entire process by which some people obsess over it bizarre.

Yes, I don't get it. I readily admit it. But you know what? In our seemingly hair obsessed society, I'm very glad I don't get "it".

And I also find it interesting that people identify themselves via their haircut. As if the style they choose allows the to play a roll.

So if this young woman wants to let it grow, good for her, but her position of letting it grow is just as equally correct as someone who would want to shave everything off.

Hair or it's absence, plays a much bigger role in peoples lives then then they could ever possibly imagine.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:08 PM

340. More power to her.

She shouldn't be forced to shave if she does not want to. No woman should be forced to shave if she doesn't want to. If a woman does want to shave, that should be her right too. Same with men. If they want to shave, fine. If not, fine. Why women are expected to shave or be called gross is something I have never understood.

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