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Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:16 PM

2 Jury members do not know that they will be dismissed,

because in Fla alternates are disclosed, and during the trial jury members do not know which are alternates.

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Reply 2 Jury members do not know that they will be dismissed, (Original post)
Ninga Jul 2013 OP
uponit7771 Jul 2013 #1
PearliePoo2 Jul 2013 #2
RockaFowler Jul 2013 #16
polichick Jul 2013 #3
JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #4
Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #5
unblock Jul 2013 #12
Ninga Jul 2013 #6
riqster Jul 2013 #7
1monster Jul 2013 #8
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #9
riverwalker Jul 2013 #18
Generic Other Jul 2013 #20
Spazito Jul 2013 #10
Lurks Often Jul 2013 #11
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #13
HolyMoley Jul 2013 #17
Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #14
Tx4obama Jul 2013 #15
riverwalker Jul 2013 #19
Spazito Jul 2013 #21
Shrek Jul 2013 #22
Spazito Jul 2013 #23

Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:21 PM

1. thx!!!

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:21 PM

2. When does this happen?

After they get back from lunch and they are read their instructions?

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:19 PM

16. It's before deliberations

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:23 PM

3. What a drag to sit for the whole thing...

and then have nothing to say about the outcome.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:25 PM

4. Wait

So of the six that sat on the jury - two will be dismissed and replaced with alternates? Or two will be outright dismissed and four will review the case?

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:27 PM

5. The two least civil will be asked to leave and have 0% chance to serve

 

them's the rules!

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:56 PM

12. and they don't even get a pizza on the way out!

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:29 PM

6. As I understand it, there are 8, two will be dismissed leaving 6 to adjudicate.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:31 PM

7. Correct.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:31 PM

8. Yes. And, if something happens (illness, for example) to one of the sitting jurors, one of the

alternetes can be recalled and deliberations start again from the beginning.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:31 PM

9. Wonder if it'll be Juror B29, since she was crying. :(

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:56 PM

18. no, she stays

we, the public already know who the alternates are, and have for weeks.
The OP is saying they don't know who they are. ???

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:59 PM

20. One was crying?

This does sound like the heart is in play in this case just as the state suggested.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:32 PM

10. I don't believe that correct, according to Findlaw, the alternates, three now, will...

only come into play if any of the 6 empaneled jurors is excused.

" Why Four Alternates?

In addition to the six jurors, there are two men and two women serving as alternate jurors, reports USA Today.

These jurors will hear the trial alongside the other six regular jurors, but will not vote on a verdict unless asked to fill in for an excused juror."

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2013/06/6-questions-about-zimmermans-6-woman-jury.html

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:40 PM

11. You are wrong

The 6 primary jurors were determined during jury selection and 4 alternates were selected, one of which has since been released from jury duty.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/us/6-female-jurors-are-selected-for-zimmerman-trial.html?_r=0

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:58 PM

13. +1

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:31 PM

17. I could see potential problems with that kind of system

 

Imagine knowing ahead of time, before any trial or testimony even begins, that you're an alternate, with a very slim chance of deciding the case, you'd be less likely to take any interest in the case or pay attention.

I served on a jury years ago (vehicular homicide), there were 14 of us selected to sit on the jury and hear the case. It wasn't until after the defense rested that the 2 alternates were picked (jury numbers out of a hat). I just a happened to be on of the alternates selected.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:13 PM

14. If the alternates are not involved in deliberations

where do they go during deliberations? Still sequestered until a verdict is reached, and then released?

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:18 PM

15. In the Jodi Arias case in Arizona the alternates sat in a separate room during deliberations. n/t

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:57 PM

19. the judge just released them

and guarantied anonymity

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Response to riverwalker (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:24 PM

21. That's interesting, I thought I heard the Judge releasing them but...

then thought I must have misheard because, usually, the alternates are not released until a verdict is reached in case one of the empaneled jurors has to be excused during deliberations ie sickness, family emergency, improper behavior during deliberations, etc. There is no certainty the jury will reach a verdict or deadlock, in a short time frame, they may or they may not.

I am puzzled because the alternates being excused now from their sequestration would, if the above were to happen to any of the empaneled jurors before a verdict, not allow them to be called to fill the excused juror's place.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:26 PM

22. According to Twitter, there is no further role for the alternates

Diana Tennis@TennisLaw

Alternates not permitted to deliberate, if problem with juror, both sides agree to go with 5 or mistrial.

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Response to Shrek (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:28 PM

23. Ahhh, thank you, it now makes sense...

is that normal procedure outside of Florida or is it somewhat unique?

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