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I hate when people pray over their food aloud in public

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Sitting in Starbucks, this couple sits down next to me with their bagel and coffee and hold hands across the table and start praying quite loudly to their God for their fine mid morning snack. Ugh!!

I get it. You love your God. But supposedly he can hear your silent prayers too. Don't under estimate the magical powers of your God.

And if you were trying to "bear witness" to your faith...it had opposite of the intended effect.

Yours truly, non religious agnostic just trying to enjoy his coffee and newspaper in peace.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:02 PM

1. People who pray aloud in public are doing it to be attention whores.

Nothing more.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:33 PM

55. Even the Bible says you should pray

at home in the quiet rather than in public to "prove" how devout you are.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:38 PM

69. so, giving thanks over a meal

Is about proving you're devout?

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #69)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:40 PM

77. No

It's praying LOUDLY so that everyone may hear and praise you for your devoutness that is the issue. Someone else cited the verse - Matthew 6:5.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #77)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:44 PM

93. having not been there loud could be an issue and it may not

Guess it depends on the ambient noise level and whether the partner wanted to hear...

And Matt 6:5 is about praying hypocrites... and in a single exposure to these people there is no way to know that.

SP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #93)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:46 PM

97. It's true

But I assume this post wouldn't be here if it wasn't loud enough to be distracting. Yes, that's an assumption, but I just interjected what the Bible says about praying in public.

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #93)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:18 PM

155. "Matt 6:5 is about praying hypocrites..." who we are enjoined to recognize by their public prayer.

And further evidence is found just a couple of verses later, when Jesus explicitly commands people to do their praying behind closed doors.

"If you paste these three words here with this phrase in Ezekiel and squint real hard at it from a ninety degree angle it says exactly what I want it all to say." Says every Christian ever.

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Response to enki23 (Reply #155)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:36 PM

176. not disagreeing with that at all

What I take umbrage at is the assumption of why these people were praying...

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #176)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:06 PM

213. The poster assumes, as this gospel Jesus clearly did, that they are doing it for attention.

And the schmucks, as this Jesus would have it, "have their reward in full." The reward is the attention, the social status, for both better and worse, acquired by their display. This Jesus was as contemptuous of it as most of the rest of us are, and for exactly the same reasons. He made exactly the same assumption about their motives as did the OP.

Now, I suppose it could be considered possible that the gospel Jesus was wrong in his clear assumptions. I just find it interesting that, at least on this issue, the gospel Jesus seems to take a position in favor of the less devout, and less evangelical. Though I suppose that shouldn't be surprising from the purveyor of a mystery religion who (fictional or merely fictionalized) seldom made any strong claims to any desire to evangelize for a religion, and often (as with the whole parable thing) seemed to be trying to do the exact opposite. The true meaning of things, as in all those things we call mystery religions, was to be deliberately reserved for the enlightened few.

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Response to enki23 (Reply #213)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:34 PM

246. #223

That. He said "don't be like the hypocrites and pray in public, but rather go in private where no one can see you."

I tend to agree.

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Response to enki23 (Reply #213)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:20 PM

290. i just tend toward the benefit of the doubt

i don't know why these people were praying as they were... but the OP could certainly be right.

sP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #93)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:02 AM

372. the point is ostentatious prayer

is intrinsically unseemly "look at me I am a Christian see how I pray!" I was raised Catholic, we were expected to pray before eating, we were also suppose to make the sigh of the cross before and after. It can be done is such a way that doesn't call attention to yourself.

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Response to auntsue (Reply #372)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:40 AM

377. i agree to a point

ostentatious (thank god you spelled it first) IS a problem and if this couple was being overtly loud then i agree with the op. however, there are several people who can't even stand the sight of a bowed head let alone a family praying over a meal. prayer should be done quietly... and reverently... regardless of whom you are thanking or petitioning.

sP

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Response to Aerows (Reply #77)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:17 PM

223. matthew 6:6..

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

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Response to frylock (Reply #223)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:52 PM

265. That's the one I was looking for

If you are doing it so that everyone can see how devout you are, and are doing it so loudly as to annoy others, you aren't doing it out of love for religion - you are doing it so people will think well of you.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #265)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:19 PM

287. but we are making assumptions about the people doing the praying

perhaps it was because the coffee shop was loud and they wanted their partner to be a part of the prayer? maybe the person just has a loud voice... I do (though I do try hard to curtail it but my 'conversational' level tends to be louder/deeper than most so it does carry).

if the OP was truly discerning that these people were out for show, then yes, Jesus' words hold true. unfortunately, judging from the way the OP was written, I think the poster is showing a bit of bias that clouds their perception...

sP

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Response to Aerows (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:42 PM

182. Exactly.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:48 PM

262. Matt 6:1-7

"Be careful about not living righteously merely to be seen by people. Otherwise you have no reward with your Father in heaven" (Matthew 6:1).


Nothing could be clearer than the following verses:

Matthew 6:5 - 7

5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites : for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Jesus says you must definitely not pray as the hypocrites pray.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen : for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Here Jesus says when thou prayest, you must pray this way:
(1) enter into thy closet.
(2) shut the door.
(3) pray to thy Father which is in secret.
(4) use not vain repetitions.

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #262)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:20 PM

289. It Would Seem That Way, Wouldn't It?

but Jesus himself prayed publicly on many occasions, so that cannot possibly be what he meant.

You also cannot be sure whether Jesus thought of public prayer in the temple as being the same thing as a group blessing before a meal. The mealtime prayer is so well established it's hard to think Jesus was opposed to it on the grounds of its being public. He was an itinerant preacher after all.

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Response to On the Road (Reply #289)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:49 PM

339. From my reading of the New Testament, I donít think that is quite right

He prayed privately while in public. I find no record that he ever prayed publicly. He and later Peter, John and James did pray during some of their acts of healing. However, there is mo indication that anyone but the small groups of disciples and the person receiving the healing gift heard or noticed. Even on the night of his most fervent praying, he went off by himself. he left even his core group of disciples to issue their own private prayers. He didnít even teach the disciples about praying until they asked directly for such teachings

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #262)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 05:07 PM

323. Is there a difference between an offering of thanks for the meal and actual prayer, or communion,

 

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with whatever deity/belief system one has chosen? Reading about the Sermon on the Mount, thanks was given for the bread/fish.

If so, then the Matthew reference that so many get all quote-y over, does not apply to the meal reference but does to the the communion one.

The hypocrites mentioned in the Matthew reference are doing their 'praying' in an ostentatious manner, and that is what is being enjoined against.

Interestingly, Congress begins sessions with a prayer. I recall there being one from time to time at inauguration ceremonies. Perhaps a petition/email/letter writing campaign should begin forthwith.

But on the other hand, what does it hurt?

No one ever mentions the line about not hiding your light under a bushel, but put it on a stand so that all can see. Is it possible that this 'light' can be one's faith/belief? That's in Matthew also, but it doesn't get all quoted up in this kind of thread.

And FYI, I am a non-believer.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:42 PM

84. I know a family of three, all of whom stop what they are doing five times a day, kneel, and

 

pray. And they always face the same direction.

And it doesn't hurt me at all. It's what they do because of who they are and what they believe.

Why not allow a similar observance in a restaurant? That doesn't hurt anyone else either.

If you really think they (anyone of any faith) are "attention whores" because of their praying in public - ignore them. That'll show 'em!

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Response to bike man (Reply #84)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:53 PM

110. The OP did, in fact, allow a similar observance in a restaurant.

Why do you and many other people on this thread act like the OP tried to prevent the prayer from taking place? He or she clearly did no such thing.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #110)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:08 PM

138. I don't think people in this thread have suggested the OP tried to prevent a prayer from taking

 

place.

I simply think that the 'outrage' shown by some folks because of a public prayer by anyone of any faith is an attention getting device. The 'outrage expressers' call the prayerful folk 'attention whores', while I tend to think the actual attention whores are the anti public prayer folks.

A family or small group praying does not damage my own non-belief in any way. Let them be!

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Response to bike man (Reply #138)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:22 PM

163. Your words:

"Why not allow a similar observance in a restaurant?" The OP did allow a similar observance in a restaurant.

And now you say, "Let them be!" The OP did let them be.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #163)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:31 PM

170. "Let them be" without all the consternation, gnashing of teeth, wringing of hands. "Allow..."

 

without the cons....you know. All the mental anquish brought on by something that harms the bystander in no way whatsoever.

There need be no eye-rolling, nudging of the tablemate, elbowing of the buddy - none of that.

Making a post here shows how deeply upset the OP is/was over an act by someone else that harmed him in no way whatsoever.

edited to add: If you will review, I did not respond to the OP, but rather to response #1 in my first reply. Additionally, the OP does not mention allowing any similar observances, merely expresses concern about 'loud' prayer.

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Response to bike man (Reply #170)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:34 PM

174. You say I question loud praying people motives

 

Then you judge mine as well as my mental anguish level. Lol.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #174)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:42 PM

183. Do not get the vapors. If you will review the upper right hand corner of the various responses, you

 

will see that I first responded to reply #1, the one that mentions attention whores.

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Response to bike man (Reply #170)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:15 PM

222. ...

"Making a post here shows how deeply upset the OP is/was over an act by someone else that harmed him in no way whatsoever. "


How is making a post here "harming" the prayers in any way?

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Response to madmom (Reply #222)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:27 PM

238. The pray-ers are not here bemoaning the actions of another, only the person who heard the

 

prayers of a pray-er is doing that.

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Response to bike man (Reply #238)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:55 PM

346. But how does it hurt them? We all have a right to "bemoan" as long as

we don't hurt anyone, so what's the big deal? He has an opinion, so do you, so do I, deal.

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Response to madmom (Reply #346)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:16 AM

397. He is pissing and moaning that people of faith should express their faith in public

For some reason, this upsets him. I will not impugn any motives to him, other to say that he is aggrieved. Well boo hoo.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #397)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:47 AM

405. The original statement I was questioning stated..

"Making a post here shows how deeply upset the OP is/was over an act by someone else that harmed him in no way whatsoever. "

My question was HOW did his statement hurt them in anyway? Are you who are "bemoaning" the OP doing exactly the same thing you are accusing him/her of doing? Why yes, yes you are!

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Response to bike man (Reply #170)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:19 PM

225. i had to re-read it myself

to look for the non-existent part where it was "allowed' in some other instance.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #225)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:30 PM

241. I didn't see that, either

I just saw someone commenting that it's annoying when people pray really loudly in a restaurant and call attention to themselves by doing so. Much like it's annoying when people talk really loudly on a phone in a restaurant and call attention to themselves by doing so, or bring their 2 month old child to a restaurant and let them scream for 10 minutes before taking them outside.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #241)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:53 PM

266. Oh God, the "cell phone voice"!!! I never have been able to get that!!!!

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Response to bike man (Reply #170)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:28 PM

239. Maybe some of us

in the same public place don't want to hear their stupid churchy blathering crap?

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #239)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:34 PM

247. I love the smell of tolerance in the morning. nt

 

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Response to bike man (Reply #170)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:45 PM

259. Something has to harm us before we can express an opinion about the activity?

Or the activity has to fit someone else's definition of harm to a bystander before comment on a behavior is allowed?

Are we talking mental or physical harm being the prerequisite of holding forth an opinion about someone else's behavior?

Either way, it makes no sense. If that was the criteria for expressing an opinion, there would be no such thing as forums.

Besides, if as you say the OP was so very deeply upset, then you provided the evidence of enough harm that OP should be granted the right to vent about it (though I see no evidence of deep upset in the OP). And if consistency has any merit, then at a minimum, OP should be allowed to express his opinion just as loudly since it no more causes harm than the loudly praying people.

Anyway, there are lots of arguments here, but none favor your position. I agree with the OP, and even extend his argument. There is no need for anyone to be talking so loudly that others have to hear every stinking word that some egoist says, whether they are praying at a loud level, or yelling to their table mates or shouting on their cell phones. They are all consciously choosing to be obnoxious around others when there is an easy way to keep praying, or talking or be on the cell phone in a public eating place.

Just turn down your volume a bit to be considerate of others. And if not, then prepare for the possibility that someone might have a different view about what you are doing/saying in public and they just might speak their mind too. Oh, the horrors of it all... especially when the OP said not a word to these people, just brought it up on a "discussion" board.

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Response to bike man (Reply #84)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:45 PM

188. It doesn't hurt me either.

Unless it interferes with my life, either to me personally or through legislation, then I don't care.

I simply stated that people who pray aloud in public are attention whores.

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Response to bike man (Reply #84)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:00 PM

203. Trolling Much? Is that family really doing it on the hallway floor of a Denny's? nt

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #203)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:20 PM

226. The hallway floor of Denny's isn't necessary. Isn't it true that the prayers can

 

be shortened and/or combined, as long as they are in order and in fact completed?

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Response to bike man (Reply #226)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:25 PM

234. Stay on topic. You were trolling the anti-Muslim sentiment, praying on the floor. nt

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #234)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:30 PM

318. The anti-Christian sentiment is rife here. I mentioned the small family as a

 

comparison. Different people believe in different ways/things/faiths, and demonstrate this in a multitude of ways.



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Response to bike man (Reply #318)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:31 PM

337. As a Christian American whose family was here since the 1630's...

I'd like to know which branch of Christianity does the following:

Prays 5 times a day, facing the same direction while kneeling on the floor?


The facing East might be Orthodox Christianity, but the other two... Come on, you're not fooling anybody.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #337)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:33 PM

344. As a Christian American who is a descendant of Charlemagne,


and a few medieval saints, Bishops, etc., I'm with you.

DU's got Christian cred all over the place!

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Response to bike man (Reply #84)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:30 PM

242. But....

do they pray out loud? I think the LOUD was the issue. Are they showy about it, or do they kind of go off to the sidelines and try to be inconspicuous? I think that's part of the issue too.

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Response to VA_Jill (Reply #242)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:53 PM

267. I have never observed Muslims pray in public.

Have any of you?

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Response to Apophis (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:48 PM

101. I pray at meals aloud but lowly, am I an attention whore?

Sunday Brunch we do pray aloud, are we attention whores?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #101)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:44 PM

186. Yes.

If you do it in a public place.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #201)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:45 PM

304. I believe the gist of the comment was...

1) do you pray in a public place?
2) do you pray loudly? (this is implied more in the OP rather in the post to which you are replying)

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Response to SwissTony (Reply #304)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:48 PM

309. He said if we do so in a public place as I said i did then I am an attention whore.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #309)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:58 PM

311. Do you do it in a loud voice or in a soft voice?

Do you say a short prayer or a long prayer?

How do feel about people of other faiths doing the same?

I'm an atheist, but religion is important to me because it's important to people who are important to me.

I have no objection to people praying in public but it should not be disruptive.

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Response to SwissTony (Reply #311)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:01 PM

313. Grace is always a short prayer. I enjoy short prayers. And grace should be in a low voice if said

aloud. People of other faiths can pray all they want. If they want to pray with me I am all for it.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #313)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:10 PM

315. Thank you.

I used to play in a football (soccer) team which was, by chance, about 50% devout Christian and 50% atheist &/or not interested. We had a short prayer before every game. The Christians formed an inner circle and prayed. The rest of us simply stood back and remained silent. After the prayer, the two groups gave each other cheers and claps on the backs. It worked for us.

This was in Australia, which may not reflect circumstances elsewhere.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #186)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:01 PM

341. I am sorry I lost my cool. I felt insulted by what you said but I should not have said what I did.

I am sorry!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #101)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:33 PM

245. Only if you do it loudly

and make such a production of it that people at other tables are disturbed by it. If that is the case, then yes. If half the people around you scowl at your table and the other half look at you like you disrupted their conversations, you definitely need to quiet it down some. You don't own the right to make other people's meals that they are paying for - just like you are - uncomfortable by being loud and dramatic in your religious displays.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #245)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:43 PM

254. Well according to another poster i am an attention whore.

We are not loud and the owners are glad to have our business. We give them a lot of business and drink a lot. We never had a complaint.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #254)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:47 PM

261. Then you probably aren't the problem

It's the ones that do it so loudly that everyone at adjoining tables notices it. If that happens, trust me, they are just putting up with you - they aren't enjoying it and it is rude.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:49 PM

192. And they are defying Jesus, who said when you pray, go pray IN YOUR CLOSET.

He hated people who made a big public show of prayer.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #192)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:50 PM

194. Yep.

I'm an atheist and I know the bible better than most Christians.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:01 PM

204. So are Sikh turbans attention whoreage?

There are a lot of "visible" religious observances, and I don't think your characterization is just.

One person saying grace over a meal (I assume that's what it was) usually does so silently. It is the custom when two or more are praying together to do it aloud, so they can hear each other. That's because they are praying TOGETHER.

Nothing about Matthew disallowed or rebuffed joint prayer. The verse is specifically aimed at individual prayer, and I've got to admit I would find it a bit weird for someone praying alone before a meal in public to say it aloud, if only because it is easier to concentrate when saying it silently.

I have seen people ranting about persons reading a bible on public transport. I realize that there is nothing, including hairstyles, which will not offend some people. But this seems unreasonable, and spending your life in a ranting fervor over other peoples' behavior strikes me neither as rational or enjoyable.

If they were yelling it, that's another thing, just as persons having too-loud conversations in a restaurant is abusive. But if they were just saying grace together?

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Response to Yo_Mama (Reply #204)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:37 PM

251. no. Sikh turbans are cool. large gaudy crosses are yuck but no problem of mine

 

hearing loud praying over their food in a public restaurant space right next to me to show they are good Christians? blech.

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Response to Yo_Mama (Reply #204)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:16 PM

354. There's visible observances and loud/obnoxious observances.

I am talking about loud/obnoxious attention whores. If one prays to himself/herself in public, that's fine. But if I can hear you 50 feet away, you're not doing it to be thankful. You're doing it to be an attention whore.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #354)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:22 PM

360. Generally anything heard 50 feet away in a restaurant would be obnoxious.

No disagreement there.

Unless it's a shout of "Fire" or something like that. It's common courtesy to keep your voice down no matter what you are saying.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:44 PM

256. When you are starving.....



Does that count if you blurt out "THANK GOD" ! when the food finally gets there ?

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Response to NM_Birder (Reply #256)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:17 PM

355. ...

SMDH.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #355)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:35 AM

392. What is SMDH ?

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Response to NM_Birder (Reply #392)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:00 AM

395. So Much Delicious Ham?

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:04 PM

2. I try to be understanding of it, but share your view....

...to me, anyone that visible about their religion are trying hard to convince themselves of something....or worse.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:11 PM

11. So the Dalai Lama is up to no good

apparently because he is always going on and on about compassion and buddhism and wearing those goddamn robes. Yeah, definitely can't trust that guy. Or his rapist glasses.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:13 PM

15. nice extrapolation - sorry, didn't mean my statement to be a generality spread to all faiths!

And, yes, the practice annoys me - so what? Just my reaction/opinion.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:53 PM

112. Care to extrapolate on that gem?

I can tell already you are a big supporter of equality and hate hypocrisy in all forms.

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Response to clffrdjk (Reply #112)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:19 PM

159. No, I was clumsy in my response and don't wish to expound at all.

I answered a question honestly on how it makes me feel when I am around visible/audible praying. I am uncomfortable with it - but I would remove myself from it, but respect it. That's all I intended. Sorry if it was sloppy or misinterpreted - I "hate" no one - hate is not in my vocabulary.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:23 PM

30. The Dalai Lama has almost certainly collaborated with the CIA and MI6

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:29 PM

46. LOL

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:35 PM

61. You say it ironically, but that is my view.

Except for the rapist glasses part. He is using his trite, greeting card philosophy to sucker people.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #61)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:31 PM

297. Yeah sucker an entire nation into fleeing

extermination and oppression under China and advocating peaceful resistance.

Martin Luther King was a big phony as well, no doubt. With pedophile moustache!

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #297)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:17 PM

317. Tibet is a seperate issue.

Nothing DL is doing is for Tibet. It's so he can keep living like a king off the dollars of impressionable, Hollywood suckers.

You cannot compare DL to the great MLK, at least not honestly.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #61)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:38 PM

320. I am a Buddhist and my life is not a greeting card. Buddhists live real lives just like everybody

else. We get sad, frustrated, angry. The thing I like the most about Buddhism is it teaches practicality. If something is going on in your life that you can't change, you may have negative feelings, but why continue to wallow in it? Why not accept what is going on and find a way to be happy. I am going through something very personal right now that I am not very happy about but it is what it is and right now I can't change it. So now I am working on accepting it and being happy. I am already feeling more peaceful.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #320)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 05:27 PM

327. Was commenting on DL, not either Buddism or Buddists. nt

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #327)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:33 PM

345. but you said his greeting card style suckers people in. You are wrong about that.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:07 PM

3. Why should you care? It's not like there's a talking ban in Starbucks.

Is every family that's having a conversation a threat to your peace?

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:07 PM

4. Meh. If you need dead silence to enjoy your coffee, drink it at home (nt)

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:08 PM

5. Hey, really. Starbucks should tell all praying assholes to stay away.

Who the hell do they think they are, saying things you don't like?

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:09 PM

6. Are you serious?

They are praying aloud because that's what most religious families do, period all over the planet. I could understand if they offered to put in a good word for you as well or directly bothered you in some way but you are being the intolerable one by bitching about it. Most of this planet is religious and most of them pray aloud at some point or other. So deal.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:11 PM

10. What you say is not true. I don't see a spate of loud praying on Sunday

 

When I'm at a restaurant and a bunch of people from church come in.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:25 PM

38. You're saying worldwide people don't pray aloud

except at YOUR Starbucks.

ok.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:30 PM

48. Uhhh...no. That's not what I said

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:57 AM

389. If they included a chorus, that would be kind of cool. nt

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:23 PM

33. Sorry..That's not the point. The point is: A lot of people are sick and tired of extreme Christens

..constantly trying to force their views on life into our laws and bedroom and marriage and just about everything else.

We-are-sick-of-it. Fed up. SO...it's NOT really because they prayed at a coffee house...It's because these same people will probably cause some Woman to have a back-ally abortion.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:28 PM

42. They were evidently praying to themselves.

If anything, the OP is encroaching on THEIR freedom, not the other way around.

If you're afraid that someone's prayer is really an attempt to induce a back-alley abortion, don't listen. Then it will have officially not happened, and there will be sterile stirrups and forceps for all.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:31 PM

50. The OP made no attempt to stop them from praying.

So please explain how, exactly, the OP encroached on THEIR freedom?

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:41 PM

81. Again..THE POINT IS : These people (yes..these people) ..most likely...are the type of people who

...have caused more human suffering and sadness by consistently voting for the type of person who is:
1. Not very smart
2. Is mentally ill
3. Tries to force their Bible and beliefs on the rest of us.
4. Hates or is ignorant of science
5. Believes some really, really strange shit. (A talking snake?????)

I'm kind to them but if they start with their crazy-ass-crap ?....I get in their face.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #81)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:42 PM

85. What a goddamned bunch of shit nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #85)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:57 PM

119. LOL!....That may very well be true but that's how I feel. Here's one for you though >>>

A lot of historians and Scientists believe that if the dark ages (Religion-ruling state) did NOT happen, we would be on other planets by now, have most all diseases cured and etc, etc...

OK..OK...I'll say it for you "What a bunch of Crap!"

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #119)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:07 PM

135. Yeah. I read my greatx25 grandfather's diary. He had solid state transistors all worked out

and then he was called on to pray and he forgot all about it.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #135)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:09 PM

140. Oh...Well..I'm sure not going to win any friends today.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #119)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:57 PM

269. "A lot of historians and Scientists believe" Nope. Wrong, wrong, so very wrong.

The Dark Ages are called that not because of a religious ruling state, but because historical documentation fell notoriously absent for a long period of time; in actuality, a great deal of technological and scientific advances took place within the time period. Also, they're no longer considered the Dark Ages by historians, but the Saxon, or Viking (depending on who you're talking to) period.


Sorry to interrupt your righteous and no doubt well-deserved broadbrushing beatdown of religions, I just had to correct your hilariously uneducated understanding of history and theory. Please, continue at your leisure though. It's certainly... quite the read.

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Response to Decoy of Fenris (Reply #269)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:42 PM

301. And while we're at it,

let's point out that the "Dark Ages" were a local phenomenon in Western Europe. Science, medicine, mathematics and related arts went happily along their uninterrupted way in the Christian Eastern Roman Empire, the Muslim lands and eastern Asia from Persia to China. None of them wound up on other planets, though.

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Response to okasha (Reply #301)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:48 PM

307. Yup. The lack of knowledge of history sometimes astounds me, especially here. n/t

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Response to Decoy of Fenris (Reply #269)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:34 AM

374. I'll gladly take your word for it that I was wrong on that subject. As far as it being a Theory...

Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:26 AM - Edit history (1)

..., I hope you mean the ordinary meaning of the word and not the scientific meaning.
I say this because the religious humans have always stopped progress in one way or the other...and I don't mean just with Galileo.

Actually. religious people have probably caused the loss of more than a thousand years of advancement. Whether or not we, as a race, would have done anything wonderful with it is an open question.
I despise the Fairy Tellers not because they are ignorant but because they're cruel.
Being a physicist and Atheist does not make me better or smarter than any other human..(I feel like I'm an idiot sometimes) but
it does bring the feeling that when I say God is less than nothing*, I'm 99.999 percent right. I must say, I do wish I had your way with words...

*Yes..I know about "Nothing"

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #374)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:13 AM

390. I meant Theory in terms of historic theory.

Given that history is an abstract concept given the lack of unbiased and untainted sources including but not limited to destruction of information or "blank pages" in which little is recorded (The Saxon period, or the Dark Ages), everything we "Know" is a theory. That is the context which I meant.

Aye, I'll grant that in certain cases, religious zealotry has stymied technological advancement, but we differ on the matter of degree. Even in the most harshly, cruelly enforced theological societies, scientific discoveries have continued largely without retardation in almost every case, keeping in mind geographic isolationism or lack of certain natural resources or a clearly-defined infrastructure and trade system. You can't simply say "What If" with history; we, like scientists, work within given data variables which we presume are correct, even though there's as good a chance as any that they are not. When we say "Rome fell", we mean just that; we know that Rome fell. The "Why" and the "How" is in debate, but the overarching theme of "Rome Fell" is correct. "But what if..." is as ignorant a statement in History as "Because it is" might be in the scientific realm. Playing the "What-If" game will only lead to false understanding based on a flawed premise. "What if" is a nice mental exercise, but without corresponding evidence, it is just that; an exercise.

In regards to your religion debate, I won't be taking part. No one's minds will be changed, and as with -any- belief, not just religions, contradicting points of immovability will do nothing but breed animosity.

Good day to you, and my pardon for the delayed response.

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Response to Decoy of Fenris (Reply #390)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:00 PM

393. You said: "What if" is a nice mental exercise. Oh Yes..and I'm guilty of it quite a lot..

I suppose it comes with the job. Not the atheist part...or maybe it does ?

I deal with "What if" so much on a daily basis, it becomes a pattern of thought.
We may just be holograms on a quantum surface which might explain why the past is rather fuzzy...not just in our history but in reality.

Of course, having said that..if I go outside and get hit by a truck..It feels real !!

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #393)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:10 PM

394. Ah, now we're getting into physics -and- philosophy.

I will admit, the idea of such a debate entertains me, but I'm getting back from work and I'm a mite fizzled, so forgive me when I don't rise to the engagement.

Now I think I'm going to go read up more on quantum phenomenon and theories. You've sparked my interest for the night.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #85)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:58 PM

123. This

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #85)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:07 PM

136. Well, you still haven't explained how the OP was infringing on the pray-ers freedom

by sitting there and saying nothing.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #136)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:08 PM

139. Because he'd be perfectly happy to have it taken away nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #139)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:11 PM

145. Wow. The OP never implied or said anything of the sort.

Isn't someone on a web site allowed to sound off about minor irritations? The OP never called for any action. It was just an observation.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #81)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:53 PM

111. So because I pray aloud a few times I am mentally ill. Oh and I hate science. And I am dumb!

And Lord knows I have a quota and I have to get new members.

Thank you for your insults!!!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #111)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:03 PM

130. Oh...Come on ..you know better than that. I doubt (No..I'd bet my life) that you don't try to...

...force your Religious beliefs down everybody's throat.

And you know that I'm not talking about you.

Also.. I LIVE IN THE SOUTH. I hear there crazy politics every day.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #81)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:59 PM

126. Congrats. That's one of the more naked expressions of bigotry I've seen at DU.

On behalf of progressive people of faith everywhere, just let me say ... nah, I better not. How about "Bless your heart"? (Ask a Southerner to explain it to you.)

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #126)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:19 PM

158. You and others here don't understand the word "Some" "Most Likely" or "some people"

Why do people get pissed-off when they KNOW (or should know) that my words are not about them.

People talk about MY job/life (Jazz Musician with perfect pitch) in a nasty way sometimes.
"Ahh..Those dope-head sons-a-bitches are lazy/no good"

I don't get pissed off because they're not talking about me.
Maybe it's because I'm Australian and we "Take things" differently ????

Maybe I don't make myself clear ??

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #81)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:34 PM

175. You do understand that *some* people of faith are very proficient in self defense? I try not to get

in anyone's face for that very reason. But ... have at it if you think it will help.

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Response to SlimJimmy (Reply #175)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:37 PM

178. Doesn't bother me. A lot of good people have died for a lot less.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #178)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:13 PM

281. So, you'd be okay with death over an over jealous Christian in a public place? Have at it.

I don't think it bothers me nearly as much as it bothers you.

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Response to SlimJimmy (Reply #281)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:47 PM

306. What you say is true. I didn't become this intolerant in one day..It took many years. I would rate..

...(on a scale of 1 to 100) my combined tolerance for Blacks, Gays and every other things that people get intolerant over as .0000002.

With Christians, that vote for Stupid-Fucks ?.. 95.00

They change my life and the people I love.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:32 PM

298. If the prayer was loud enough to be heard in a Starbuck's (have you ever been in one?)

then they obviously weren't praying to themselves. Praying to yourself is silent prayer. They were sharing their prayers with the entire room. They were the ones encroaching...

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:31 PM

51. yay! way to lump all praying people together

Nice job!

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:32 PM

53. So you oppose the 1A with a certain segment of the population

 

but approve of it with others?

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Response to premium (Reply #53)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:41 PM

80. Oppose the 1A?

No one has said that these people don't have the right to pray at Starbucks or anywhere else. Neither has anyone said they shouldn't have the right to do so. Certainly the poster you're responding to didn't say anything like that. So where do you get this idea that the poster opposes the 1A for anyone?

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Response to Mariana (Reply #80)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:46 PM

189. It's his '1A' right to make things up.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #189)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:53 PM

321. LOL, it is indeed. nt.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:34 PM

58. Wuh?

That makes no sense. That's borderline wing nut logic.

Let me guess: it's Obama's fault!

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:39 PM

71. Sterotype much?There are a lot of dedicated Christians out there fighting for women's

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #71)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:11 PM

217. Yeah, they're just not very effective, are they?

 

If you are so delusional that you believe in the blatantly absurd notion of some omnipotent super-being watching over everyone and everything in the universe, coupled with the fact that you've chosen to continue that belief after millennia of some of the most atrocious behavior in history, why on earth would you think that anyone should pay any attention to what you say at all?

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:43 PM

87. This OP is about prayer not What extreme Christians think.

People are allowed to pray in public. At Sunday Brunch we pray a prayer before the meal and we don't disrupt people.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #87)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:56 PM

116. Of course people are allowed to pray in public.

NO ONE on this thread, including the OP, has suggested otherwise.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #116)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:58 PM

124. Yes I know that.

What I am more concerned with is the insults that some have made here against believers. I did not know I was ill, dumb, an attention whore, and that I hate science.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #124)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:04 PM

131. It certainly wasn't my intention when I started the thread

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #131)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:11 PM

143. Don't worry about it because I was not talking about your OP.

A few others here went overboard on their posts.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #131)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:15 PM

151. It's hilarious how so many people are pretending that:

1. You somehow attempted to prevent these people from praying, and/or

2. You don't think people should be allowed to pray publicly, and/or

3. You hate believers in general, and/or

4. You feel persecuted.

Et cetera, et cetera.

I'm sorry to be laughing when you're being treated so unfairly on this thread, with people jumping to wacky conclusions about you and even telling outright lies about you. I can't help it. These ridiculous overreactions to your OP are just funny as hell.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #151)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:20 PM

160. I agree. Being a veteran of DU I know capricious

 

The mood can be. Back in 2003 I had a similar thread blow up when I made fun of Foxnews advertisement for Charlie Chan DVD's. Mentioned what horrible anachronistic stereotypes were in that series and we were off to the races! Pretty funny.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #160)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:23 PM

230. I'm beginning to know what you mean....

having been labeled a "raging bigot" earlier today on another thread.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:43 PM

88. I'm not a fan of "probably". And I don't think of public prayer as "extreme Christian".

I'm an atheist btw, and I agree that anyone trying to impose their religion based will on others is wrong. I will fight it whenever I can. But my statement that the misery is pointless and self imposed stands. If praying makes them feel happy, so be it. If restricting rights does, then I might have to work against their happiness.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:22 AM

398. Thank you for that "biased" opinion

I use the word "biased" because I have been told that "bigoted" is not acceptable on DU.

You assume, based on nothing except your own prejudice, that because people pray in a Starbucks, they "will probably cause some Woman to have a back-ally abortion." No, I take back the word "biased". "Bigoted" is not too strong a word for you. And if you complain to the moderators, it just shows that you can dish out bigotry, but you can't take it when you are called on it.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #398)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:53 AM

406. I never complain to the Mods and I may very well be biased on some things in life. I'm Human.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:49 PM

191. They're not praying aloud to thank god for their meal.

They're praying aloud so everyone can see them praying aloud so everyone can see how religious they are.

They're attention whoring.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:09 PM

7. Happened recently in an Austin Tex-Mex, loud and proud...

...but not as loud as the belch two tables down. Sounded like a leaf blower.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:10 PM

8. To use their own book against them Matthew 6:5

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:34 PM

59. Great minds think alike

I said the same thing upthread before I came across your post.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:40 PM

75. In their defense

(and I don't say that as a prayer), I don't think they ate anywhere but home way back then. Especially, no Starbucks!

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #75)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:26 PM

235. On the contrary, community eating places were quite common in the Roman era.

I recall a documentary I say about a dig of an ancient town in Italy that came up with all these houses with no kitchen or few places to prepare food, but there were large communal kitchens and food storage areas, with what would amount to large cafeterias for those people to eat together as a group. That would make sense to me, since food preparation was quite a laborious process in those days, and it makes sense they would do it as a community for efficiency of effort. Sorry, I don't have a link...

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #235)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:35 PM

248. No link needed.

I believe you and probably saw the same documentary.

I was kinda being snarky. Growing up in a very religious family (it never "took" with me as grandma said), I know there is a difference between praying and saying the blessing as a family over a meal.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:10 PM

9. It's no worse than having to listen

to somebody's stupid phone conversation.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:16 PM

19. You just gave me an idea. When I'm in Starbucks

 

I can chat on my iPhone with a fake conversation:

"Hi God, I just wanted to thank you again for the job offer I got last week......yes, yes it seems promising. I'm spending this week preparing to get a running start. How about you? What have you been up to?......uh huh....uh huh....OH MY YOU that is hilarious!"

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:19 PM

25. Go ahead.

Makes about as much sense as some of the calls I get treated to.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:02 PM

129. Except that while everybody quotes Matt 5, they don't, not really.

There's that little "to be seen" business. Do it to be seen by others, yeah, it's bad. Do it at home.

If you're doing it so others in your group that are participating can consent to the contents and affirm them, well, it's hard to assent to what you haven't heard.

You don't know which was going on. That's your right, of course, to engage in fact-free judgmentalism. It's just not something to be proud of.

Then there's doing something just for the purpose of offending others. That, too, is your right. But, again, it's just not something to be proud of.

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Response to Igel (Reply #129)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:14 PM

149. +1

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Response to Igel (Reply #129)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:15 PM

150. Now, THAT was an outstanding response. And I am a non-believer who married into

 

a family of believers (45 years ago). They (including bike woman) are still believers, and I remain a non.

When we gather, there are group prayers. They don't ask me to lead any of them, and none of the prayers said aloud actually harm me in any way.

I liked your response.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:12 PM

147. Now THAT would be funny as hell!

lol

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:15 PM

152. OK...

after playing that scenario around in my head for a bit, I have to say...

now that's funny!

If I ever heard anyone do that in my presence, I couldn't help but laugh.



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Response to HappyMe (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:17 PM

23. That's much worse

I've heard people discuss medical test results loudly over the phone.

Oh and I guess half of the starbuckers are writing a script or have a deal in development. They love to talk loudly about their screenplays they are writing. Me, I'm there to pick up a candy coffee drink for my wife.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:27 PM

41. Yeah, everybody there seems to be

oh so talented and important.

I have heard medical details, divorce details, complaints about what shoes somebody wore....

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:44 PM

92. You want to talk TMI?

I was in the ladies room and it was packed and a mother brought her very young son in there with her. He loudly asked, "Mommy are you going pee or are you going poop?" The mother responded "Honey, I don't think everyone in here needs to know that."

I nearly died laughing with everyone in the rest room.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #92)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:49 PM

104. lol!



Little kids are like that.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #92)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:53 AM

381. Yeah, my kids have done the same. Kids are great for embarrassing the hell out of you in public.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:12 PM

12. They are thanking God for an extremely overpriced bagel and coffee?

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:40 PM

180. Dontchya just have to laugh?

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:13 PM

13. I wish I would have been there. "OOHHH...Holy Spaghetti Monster..May your blessed appendages bring..

...forth thy sweet greasy meatball........etc.

Yes..I do weird stuff like that in public if the situation like the above takes place,,

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:14 PM

148. Ramen!

I like your style.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:37 PM

250. Thus making you an attention whore

If you are doing it just to get attention, then you are the attention whore.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:13 PM

14. Everybody audibly advocates for what they believe in.

As the entirety of this thread shows.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:14 PM

16. Gosh. That's a small thing to get upset over. What about loud laughter if you're depressed?

Or the music on the PA if you don't like it? I know I'm being snarky but if it is something they believe in and it doesn't hurt you why waste the cortisol on it? You're just letting something over which you have no control make you feel bad and then being upset with them about it. Gives everyone control over your day.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:23 PM

32. It's more annoying when they force you to do it at family gatherings.

When they know you're not religious. As in, "Come here BLANK..." *grabs your hands and bows head* "We're gathered here today to thank (blah, blah, blah.)"

Ahh, southern baptist relatives...

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Response to Neoma (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:36 PM

63. I don't pray then, just sit quietly and respectfully.

I come from Southern Baptist too. They all pray for my soul and I just smile and go on. Glad they care and
I won't engage them. Now if they were hogtying me, that's a different story.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #63)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:40 PM

73. Mine are mean spirit people though.

Well, racist homophobic bigots to be more accurate. Fox News watchers... And evangelical fundamentalist missionaries. I think they're too full of hate to really care.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #73)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:45 PM

96. Mine too but they don't realize it. But I insist on being me and they can throw a fit if they like.

I know where you're coming from, though. It can get trying.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #96)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:19 PM

157. That's not the case with my folks.

My grandmother is a bully...treated me lke shit since I was 9 because I didn't get baptized. They're also okay with domestic violence. As in, the husband kept beating up his wife and one day he got the preacher and his wife to beat the shit out of her with him and the reaction was, "I wonder what she did." Since after all, the preacher was involved! Must mean she did something evil.

My uncle threatened to kill me when I was 14 and they pushed off about how I was lying. Even though they knew he pointed a shotgun at grandma just a week before all that bullshit. He talks in tongues to control "urges." ...Onto his fourth wife now.

At least two people threatened someone I love to be committed because she's atheist. Including the cop uncle that would have come if we called about my other uncle that threatened to kill me. (For turning the TV off.) So no justice happened there.

No. Fuck em. Their entire life is built on worshipping God. And it tore our family apart. I'm sick of it. They might not be "real Christians" like so many religious people point out, but they're real southern baptists to the core. When it comes to the point where they're using the bible to pass bigoted opinions and to justify or forgive misdeeds, I'm out and I'm not going back.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:33 PM

172. Now - that's a very different picture from the one I had -

proof positive that not all people who "pray" are Christians despite what they call themselves. I'm in awe that you were able to break free from that mindset. and hope you find a lot of friends here .

What I was thinking of was the scenario where someone comes home and makes a fuss because the folks are still doing what they've always done in terms of praying before meals. Among my children, there is an atheist, an Episcopalian, a very dedicated Roman Catholic, two moderately dedicated Roman Catholics and another who may go to a Roman Catholic Church or his wife's Lutheran Church, I haven't asked. A while back, I switched to going to an Episcopalian Church. My kids are all good people, which is all I'm concerned about.

I haven't told my aunt that I switched churches because it hasn't come up and I don't see a need to cause her distress. Personal beliefs are personal and not meant to be used as a club on other people.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #172)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:05 PM

212. Ah, my relatives are missionaries as well.

Dunno how many times they asked us over for the weekend just so they could trick us to going to church. Then we'd spend whole summers there for bible camp. Made me give away my entire penny collection! (Yes, I'm still mad about that.)

People assume that atheists (although I'm a pantheist, the mindset is a bit the same since the universe isn't a personal God) criticize religion because they hate god or whatever stupid nonsense. But sometimes it goes back to actual abuse or way too much absurdity for one person to handle. Sometimes it's them talking about very specific people. Then what other people say reminds them of those people and you can go on an all around attack mode. That's instinct talking. I don't mind if people keep it to themselves. But maybe now you can see why it would trigger annoyance to hear prayers in public. It reminds me of them.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:56 PM

199. And you are smart do do so. Sometimes it's best.

I'm so sorry you have a family like that and so glad you are away from it. People who are really sick can use all kinds of things to justify it and religion is one of the most common.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:40 PM

78. Do they pray together when you're not there?

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #78)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:44 PM

90. Yeah, right before they make loud racist jokes when a black family sits near them.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #90)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:04 PM

132. Making racist jokes meant to be overheard - now

that's offensive!

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Response to nolabear (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:25 PM

36. Read post #33

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Response to nolabear (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:45 PM

260. good advice

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:15 PM

17. Don't ask don't tell

about your extreme religiosity. I miss that...

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:15 PM

18. You should write a diary like Anne Frank did...

so that years from now people can learn from your suffering.

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:18 PM

24. lol

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:23 PM

31. LMFAO!

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:25 PM

37. read post #33

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:27 PM

40. DUzy! n/t

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:29 PM

45. Lol. I only said I didn't like it. My day continues

 

To be sunny and wonderful. But thank you for the good advice.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:38 PM

70. Well it bothered you enough to

post your own thread.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #70)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:44 PM

91. And?

 

It got what I wanted. An implied question to the group of "what are your thoughts on this?"...and DU didn't disappoint.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #70)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:45 PM

95. Lots of people post about minor annoyances.

It takes seconds, so why not? It's not like the OP wrote a manifesto.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #95)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:46 PM

99. If it was a just a minor annoyance it would be posted in the lounge

This is intended to make a point; i.e. religious folks should be more circumspect in their observance.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #99)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:23 PM

164. Wow! You're a mind reader!

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #164)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:26 PM

165. It's just logic - but you explain it - why did you want to post this in General

As opposed to the lounge or religion?

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #165)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:28 PM

167. Because I spend 99% of my time on DU in GD

 

And it didn't occur to me to post it somewhere else.

It is a fair general discussion topic.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #167)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:34 PM

173. Exactly you are making a political point

People shouldn't pray in public because it annoys you.

I totally understand where you are coming from - i really hate seeing Latinos speaking Spanish in public. It's just sad that my disdain for seeing Latino's speaking Spanish in public would be condemned as bigotry, while your disdain for seeing people praying is A-OK.

Why can't we just all agree that people who do offensive stuff like praying or speaking Spanish should keep it to themselves?

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #173)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:03 PM

208. I hope you understand that is completely a false equivalence

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #208)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:16 PM

285. No it's not. You don't like seeing religious folks and I don't like seeing foreign speaking folks

It's the same thing. Nothing forces Latinos and other Spanish speakers to speak Spanish in public. They can choose to speak English or keep their mouths shut.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #285)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:26 PM

294. no. I'm pretty sure you are way off base. if Latinos started hat dancing next to my table

 

or something similarly overt and obnoxious, it would be equivalent. Someone simply talking in their own language is in no way provocative as is praying loudly over your cold and boring bagel.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #294)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:29 PM

296. So basically your hatred of seeing people praying is meaningful

while my hatred of seeing Spanish speaking people speaking spanish isn't? How does that work?

Is it possibly because disdain or hatred of Christians is protected at DU?

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #296)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:34 PM

299. nope. I could care less what Christians waste their time doing at church. have at it.

 

but when they have to get into their deeply personal worship of their God loudly next to me in Starbucks, I will comment on it.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #299)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:37 PM

300. Nods - and that comment will, as you no doubt have noticed - draw additional comment. nt

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #300)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:48 PM

308. which is fine. I don't take others' comments personally

 

on this topic. Especially the religious people who are serious about their religion.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #70)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:56 PM

118. Isn't that part of the fun of DU? We often post about crap that bugs us.

It's a nice place to vent, or get a discussion/debate/all out flame-fest going.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #118)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:02 PM

128. No kidding. I really didn't expect this to blow up

 

Tou never can tell what will hit a nerve. But I am reading all of the replies and find the discussion fascinating.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #128)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:26 PM

236. I'm supposed to be packing up to move

and I keep getting drawn back here to revisit this thread.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #236)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:33 PM

244. funny. good luck with the move. very far? side note:

 

I think that is part of the genesis (oops I quoted the Bible) of my posting. I just recently moved from Portland to Spokane, and I'm already finding out the religion is a bit more important here. So after going years without a public prayer being bleated loudly in front of me in a restaurant or shop, I am here less than a month and am subjected to it. So I am kind of questioning my decision to move here for a job.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #244)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:09 PM

276. Nah, just to an adjacent town. 15 minutes away.

I lived in the Deep South for a long time, and I worked in restaurants for several years, so I know exactly the kind of people your OP was about. They are everywhere, but they're certainly more concentrated in some areas than in others.

In Texas, when I lived there, my family were actually shunned by our neighbor across the street after my husband told him (politely, in response to his question) that we don't go to church. The man wouldn't speak to us or wave or even look at us after that. His wife would smile and wave when she saw us outside - but only when her husband wasn't there. True story.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #276)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:15 PM

284. that doesn't surprise me. I am hopeful this small city isn't quite so uptight...but

 

I'm going to a neighborhood BBQ in the subdivision I live in so I don't seem to anti social. We will see what topics come up and if they go into the whole what church do you go to kind of thing.

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:43 PM

89. lo!!!

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:58 PM

121. I'd recommend a DUzy but I don't want the thread rehashed. But...

LMAO!

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:29 PM

240. So stealing this....nt

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:44 PM

303. Perfect!

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:16 PM

20. But asshole cops you are ok with? LOL. n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:37 PM

65. Never said I was ok with ass hole cops

 

But feel free to conflate my disagreement about one video as having no problem with ass hole cops.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:16 PM

21. Well, we all have our crosses to bear.

 

eom

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:17 PM

22. Meh they have the right to do so there are many more important things to be upset over

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:19 PM

26. Matthew 6:5-6

 

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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Response to Blackford (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:24 PM

35. Spot on /nt

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Response to Blackford (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:13 PM

221. You know, I immediately thought of that, as well, though I couldn't quote it

GMTA and welcome to DU!

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:21 PM

27. What?

Who would one be praying to in a Starbucks? Jaun Valdez?

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:22 PM

28. I was in a restaurant and I saw a couple speaking in spanish

Really honked me off. I get it - you're Latino. But you probably speak English too.

If you are trying to show off your Latino heritage - well it has the opposite of the intended effect.

Yours truly, normal white guy, just trying to enjoy his spiced cider and newspaper in peace.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:24 PM

34. Don't even get me started on those damn Muslims

How many times a day do they need to pray, anyway? Why do they have to make such a ritual of it?

(Gee, I wonder what'd happen if that was the OP...)

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:11 PM

146. Once was in a coffeehouse in Georgetown.

We'd attended a conference at GU. We weren't in jeans and t-shirts.

We had a trilingual (at times, quadrilingual) conversation. English speakers were free to use English, Spanish speakers Spanish; French speakers, French. Everybody had good control of at least two of those languages, and sufficient passive knowledge of the third. The Portuguese speaker was given license to speak Portuguese, but put on notice he might have to explain in another.

It wasn't to show off. We'd switch if the dominant language at the time was Spanish, and fall silent if the French speakers had the floor. There were perhaps 6, 7 of us crowded around a table.

We got great service and while we didn't order much in the way of food or drink, nobody tried to drive us out on a busy Saturday night. Instead of poor undergraduates and foreign students the staff assumed we were diplomatic corps. On the way out, a waiter asked what embassies we were with.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:22 PM

29. When the clergy of my church take us out for brunch we say a prayer together. We are not loud or

annoying. There is nothing wrong with saying grace aloud as long as you are not loud and disruptive.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:26 PM

39. you gotta be shitting me

I've seen people cross themselves before going into the water but never seen people saying grace at a fucking starsucks .

We are DEVO !

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:28 PM

43. That's why I go to church and slurp my coffee real loudly in the front pew. n/t

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Response to reflection (Reply #43)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:32 PM

54. :)

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:28 PM

44. Brace yourself!

Some unknowing fool may wish you a "blessed day" or some other atrocity some day! You never know, so be prepared!

Oh, the humanity!

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:30 PM

47. you should have posted this in the lounge

n.t.

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Response to olddots (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:34 PM

57. Why? It's about religious expression in public

 

Not my favorite sandwich.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #57)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:45 PM

94. i was sticking up for you pal

people get on your case because it seems like that's what you want . Forget you wouldn't might not understand .

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Response to olddots (Reply #94)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:49 PM

102. My apologies to you. It just didn't seem lounge

 

Material, but maybe I'm wrong

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:31 PM

49. I'm not religious and border on anti-religious these days

But I don't see anything wrong with a family holding hands and being thankful for their meal. Whether I believe in their god or not, I think it instills a sense of gratitude or well-being in people that is mostly lacking. A quick saying of grace before a meal doesn't offend me especially when children are present. A couple loudly saying grace at Starbucks could be annoying but there are worse things in the world which I must endure.

Full disclosure my family still says grace at holiday dinners. I also go to monthly dinners that help support a local ministry that provides meals for those in need. Grace is said there and I always feel the Brothers are sincere with their words and take no offense, and also find it rather spiritually satisfying to be reminded that there are truly compassionate people left in this world that enjoy helping others without judgement.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:31 PM

52. People who pray like that in public are looking for attention. I think it doesn't help their

 

cause for the love of their god. I don't have a problem with them praying over their food but when I see it I think they are looking for attention. I've prayed over my food but I did it in silence because I think god hears me. A true christain doesn't have to be attention getters. They go about doing their business quietly. They know god see their deeds.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #52)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:55 PM

114. You know the intentions of others?

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #114)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 05:04 PM

322. It's an observation thats all friend. I'm entitled to believe what I want. I think they are

 

fake. So it is what I believe. You believe different. Ok your entitled. Believe me I have worked in a chapel and saw alittle of hypocrites. Do and say one thing and outside the church do another. Kinda like republicans who pretend they are religious but aren't really. But again that is my observation and maybe you don't feel that way and that is ok.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:33 PM

56. No different than hearing someones cell phone conversation in public -

- instead of talking with Momma or Aunt Bertha, they're talking to their God.

I wish we didn't have to be subjected to everyones personal business via open cell phone conversations but it goes on so often that I've learned to tune it out. Yes, they talk on cells even in restaurants. Just pretend they're talking on a cell phone and learn to ignore it.

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Response to lynne (Reply #56)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:38 PM

68. Well, usually there are fewer f-words...



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Response to lynne (Reply #56)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:58 PM

340. To be fair,

Lots of people here and elsewhere complain a bunch about people on cell phones, whether they are talking or even silently texting. Loud, distracting or disjointed interruptions can and do annoy others in public and it really is okay to complain about it.

I take praying *loudly* (key word) over food about as rude as talking at a movie theater. No one wants to hear it. Sure they have the right, but they're a jerk if they exercise the right.

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Response to lynne (Reply #56)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:36 AM

399. The cell phone comparison was my first thought, but

I'm part of the population that was raised that carrying on conversations with persons not present was at least a sign of lack of self-control.

Back in the day, there were phone booths, for more than one reason...and we were taught to keep our super-hero personas to ourselves.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #399)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:27 AM

400. I'm part of that population, too -

- sadly, I think we're a vanishing breed. Personally, I think it's just horribly rude to be in the company of one person and then stop that conversation to answer your phone and pick up a different conversation with another person.

For a brief period in history, it was a status thing to talk on a cell in public as few people had them. They were called "mobile phones" then. Now it's just become obnoxious behavior.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:34 PM

60. Wrong? No.

Obnoxious? Hell-fucking-yes.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:35 PM

62. next time it happens, LOUDLY read from the Bible...

"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (Matthew 6:6)

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:37 PM

64. "opposite of the intended effect"

lol, sort of ironic in this thread.

I kind of feel bad for you (for starting the thread, I mean), but if the goal was to get a bunch of DUers to rise up in outrage over private individuals saying a prayer in public it's probably not gonna happen.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #64)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:42 PM

83. Nope. Just sharing. The last thing I expect from

 

DU is unanimity on any subject.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:37 PM

66. I'm an atheist. I don't hate it if people pray in public.

I just turn my attention to something else when that happens. First world problem, I think.

I assume that people are doing what they want to do, just as I am. Their prayers have no effect on me.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #66)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:40 PM

79. Exactly if you're an atheist/agnostic is shouldn't

bother you at all. It should be only as annoying as any other loud conversation people will have at say someplace people tend to converse like, say, a Starbucks.

Sheesh.

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #79)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:46 PM

98. Yup. Loud conversations in places like that are

annoying, but even that isn't really much of an issue for me. In a place like Starbucks, I would simply pick up my cup and move to a table farther away from the conversation if it bothered me. I've done that frequently, when some business meeting is going on nearby and I'm trying to woo a client myself, which is about the only time I'm ever in a coffee place, anyhow.

As a self-employed guy, I don't bother with having an office, and either meet prospective clients at their office, or at one of the ubiquitous coffee places at a convenient location. It's neutral ground, and it's just me and my notebook and my presentation to the client.

Praying? Who cares?

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #79)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:42 PM

181. Atheist here and it doesn't bother me either.n/t

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #66)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:49 PM

103. I don't either, unless they're inappropriately loud.

In a quiet place, there's no reason to say prayers in a loud voice - unless the intention is to make sure everyone in the place can hear them.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #103)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:52 PM

107. Lots of loud voices saying lots of things, it seems.

I just move. I take meetings in coffee shops, since I'm self-employed. If there are loud-talkers at a nearby table, we just move to a quieter spot. Simple.

Praying, discussing last night's game, anything. It doesn't matter. If it's too loud, I move.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:37 PM

67. Agree that it's annoying.

And frankly it always creeps me out.

Of course they're "allowed" to do it, just as we're "allowed" to comment on a web site that it's irritating.

Luckily I rarely have to deal with these people, who Barbara Ehrenreich labeled "Visible Christians" in Nickeled and Dimed. She said they were invariably the cheapest, worst tippers she waited on.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #67)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 05:53 PM

335. That was my experience

when I waited tables in Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. No one ever wanted to work Sunday lunch, and the Wednesday evening shift was almost as bad.

I always wished we could put a sign on the door that would say something like, Praying loudly before you eat and displaying your Bible prominently on the table does not magically transform a Chick tract into an acceptable tip.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #335)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:40 PM

349. Oh man.

A Chick tract ... That is pretty bad! I feel for you.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:39 PM

72. Like the Pharisees Jesus talked about.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:40 PM

74. This could be taken 2 ways

1 - they were softly praying to themselves, in which case what is it to the OP?

2 - they were being obnoxious and praying loudly to ruffle some feathers, much like the "under GOD!!!" assholes during the pledge of allegiance.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:40 PM

76. I've prayed a few times in restaurants

because the food tasted funny after a few bites.

"Dear Lord, I hope I'm not going to be sick from this shit"

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:41 PM

82. To be honest with you

 

I don't think I've ever seen that in public. I would find it somewhat creepy.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:43 PM

86. better than someone YELLING INTO THEIR CELL PHONE!!!

 

which of course, has never happened in a starbucks

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:47 PM

100. If you want to enjoy your coffee & newspaper in peace you should just stay home.

Then you won't have to worry about the pesky public talking or distracting you.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:50 PM

105. The hypocrisy of praying loudly to Jesus in public

is a long-standing one that will probably never go away. And it us no worse than the screaming kid, loud phone talkers, or earbuds turned up high enough to be loudspeakers.

At least they aren't actively impeding people who don't want to join in, unlike the family in Florida that made the waitress hold the tray full of plates while they said grace before she could finish serving them, or the church group that blocked the entire corridor at LAX while they prayed for a safe flight.

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Response to MurrayDelph (Reply #105)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:20 PM

161. Depends on motive.

My church opened with a communal prayer.

Hard to have a silent communal prayer that everybody else says amen to.

Rather like having an blank post on DU and then getting 100 recs for it. It would take a very unusual set of conditions for that to happen.

Same for saying grace. Sometimes my family says it individually. Then it's silent. Sometimes we say it as a group. Then those not saying it have to be able to hear it. Those of us who aren't fully telepathic, that is.

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Response to Igel (Reply #161)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:37 PM

177. Missed the point

In church everyone there is there for prayer.

My point is that they could have let the waitress put the food down and go serve other people instead of having to wait while they demonstrate their piety. And they could have left part of the corridor open so others could have gotten past them and to their planes. But no, their need to pray loudly in public to the demigod whose very instructions they are ignoring by doing so is more important than being considerate (which would bethe more Christian thing to do).

And by the ways, the Jewish Sabbath and High Holiday services have something called the Amidah, which is a silent communal prayer. If we can do it, you should be able to figure it out, too. (Here's a hint, when you're done you get to sit down).

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:50 PM

106. "Have a blessed day" (as the obnoxious cafeteria lady used to say).

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #106)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:45 PM

187. I am in red Georgia and I hear that from a lot of the salespeople and grocery checkers.

And I just say "same to you." I am an atheist, but it does not bother me.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:52 PM

108. How loud is loud?

It is not as if they are praying the rosary. I'd leave them be.
I don't even mind seeing people take their prayer rugs and face Mecca.

I don't consider myself religious, but giving thanks for food is kinda nice.

I think people forget to be grateful for little things, and even if just holding your hands together and saying "Thanks for the food" is a good little practice.

Tolerance goes both ways.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:53 PM

109. Waaaah.

Freedom of speech. We are all entitled to it.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:54 PM

113. What other people do

doesn't bother me a bit. Maybe if everyone could mind their own business, it would be a much better world.

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Response to YarnAddict (Reply #113)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:58 PM

125. So the religious should stop knocking on doors and pushing their silly stories on people

who just want to carry on peacefully with their day in their own homes.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #125)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:21 PM

162. this isn't about knocking on doors.

Totally different issue.

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Response to YarnAddict (Reply #162)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:47 PM

190. LOL! Oh, that is rich.

You said people should "mind their own business." Intruding on people in their homes is the very opposite of minding their own business.

Double standard on your part.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #190)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 05:41 PM

332. Huh??

No double standard. I have no problem with other people praying in a public place. Doesn't affect me at all. OTOH, someone knocking on my door and invading my privacy very much affects me, and I object strenuously. Don't see why you think this is a double standdard.

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Response to YarnAddict (Reply #332)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:45 PM

350. Oh, okay. I misunderstood your post.

I thought you were saying that door knocking wasn't an invasion of privacy.

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Response to YarnAddict (Reply #113)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:02 PM

207. Yes.

And maybe then we could concentrate on our real and growing problems.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:55 PM

115. I agree it is annoying and shows a lack of consideration

We put up with a lot from them yet we are accused of being in the wrong. I hate proselytizing. You should be invited into other people's space not just shove your shit in their face.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:56 PM

117. There are some nasty and insulting posts in this thread that make me sick.

I did not know I was ill, stupid, hate science, and an attention whore.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #117)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:10 PM

216. Maybe this will make you feel better.

Matthew 5:11 & 12 (KJV)

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #216)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:08 PM

274. Yes thank you that does comfort me. Thank you Mariana!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #274)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:12 PM

278. You're welcome. nt.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #117)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:21 PM

359. I'll quit insulting religious idiots when they quit trying to interfere with people's lives.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #359)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:22 PM

361. Are we all idiots? Am I interfering in your life?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #361)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:25 PM

362. Your first question: yes.

Second question: Not you personally. But the religion as a whole, yes.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #362)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:26 PM

363. So just so I have this right I am an idiot for being a Christian.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:57 PM

120. This is low on my list of things to be upset about.

I'd ignore it and read my paper.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:58 PM

122. Get up, give them a dirty look,

and change your table. Ok, they have their right to pray, but you also have a right to not listen to it. You are not a captive audience to anyone's praying.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:02 PM

127. I was raised among those kinds of loud Christians

my parents thankfully were not like that but the entire rest of my dad's family was. They still are but they really have little to do with me since I don't follow their religion. Sadly, they are about all the family I have left.

Anyway, having grown up with that and been subject to sitting in a Wendy's (or McDonald's or any other place like a Quik Shop buying a coke) while my Uncle went on and on loudly proclaiming his faith and love of his baby Jesus and thy will be done and bring 'em some of that old time religion, THOU ART HEALED crap I totally understand why this annoys you.

My husband has to look at me sternly when a waitress says to have a blessed day. I know it is meant as something nice but the religious overtone of that just pisses me off. I simply can't help it. It is not the religion really, I tend to be so/so about it, I don't care what one believes. It is the in your face, look at me I AM A CHRISTIAN crap that puts me over the edge.

I suppose if I had not had to be healed and saved 1000 times by these people as a little kid because my dad thought they were full of shit (he was evil so I needed to be saved in his name) I would be a little more tolerant.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:05 PM

133. I hate religious showoffs too. There's no reason they can't silently suck up to their diety.

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:06 PM

134. If they're that loud, get loud.

If not, just give 'em the fuck-you smile and be done with it.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:08 PM

137. They say that they are deliberately doing it in public to

show other people that it can be done, they should do it, too, shouldn't be ashamed, etc.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #137)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:29 PM

168. Thereby directly disobeying their Lord and Savior

(if they're Christians) who told his followers to pray in private. Christ was pretty clear about his opinion of people who pray loudly in public just to be seen doing it. He didn't think highly of such people.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:09 PM

141. I'm so glad to have found a topic I can agree with you on!

When you explained...."praying quite loudly"...that did it. I don't care if it's praying, talking on a cell phone, or chatting loudly with a companion...If it's loud enough to be disturbing, it's too loud.

Generally I don't have a clue as to the conversation at the next table in a restaurant. If I do...I think of those folks as being discourteous to all around them.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:10 PM

142. It's none of your business. If they were talking to each other, would

you care? Just because they are talking to the air, they aren't talking to you. You shouldn't be annoyed. Tune them out and go about your business.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:11 PM

144. Why does it bother you?

Are they talking louder than anyone else? Is it any worse than a bunch of self important jerks having a business meeting next to you at Starbucks?

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:16 PM

153. I've dined in restaurants with show-off Thelemites

Talk about embarrassing and annoying. Sitting with a group of people in a restaurant who do this:

Leader: (knocks 3-5-3) Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
All: What is thy will?
Leader: It is my will to eat and to drink.
All: To what end?
Leader: That I may fortify my body thereby.
All: To what end?
Leader: That I may accomplish the Great Work.
All: Love is the law, love under will.
Leader: (knocks once) Fall to!

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:17 PM

154. To each their own

 

Religious freedom and all.

Get over it.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:18 PM

156. Sounds like intolerance to me.

Lighten up, Francis. As long as they were not trying to baptize you with their chai latte or make you eat a live chicken on your bagel, I say give it a rest.

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Response to Redford (Reply #156)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:07 PM

336. Oh, please. Griping on a message board

about being annoyed by obnoxious people is not "intolerance".

The OP left them alone to do their thing, and did not try to make them stop, or say anything to them at all, even though he or she didn't like what they were doing. That is the exact opposite of "intolerance".

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:27 PM

166. You think that is bad I saw a couple looking to the ceiling and waving their hands

in the air. I think it is just show "see we are saved and going to heaven and you aren't"

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:30 PM

169. Definitely sounds like your problem....

 

... and not theirs.

Your life will be come infinitely easier if you stop judging and caring what other people do that doesn't affect you.

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Response to Pelican (Reply #169)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:44 PM

185. I'd rather hear that than their screaming children. Can i get an Amen.

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Response to allin99 (Reply #185)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:05 PM

211. Changing a dirty diaper at the table.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:32 PM

171. You know what's worse?

Listening to one 20-something woman providing the details of the previous night's sexual encounter to another 20-something woman. That's worse. I moved before hearing much of it.

"and then, just as I was about to..."

TMI.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #171)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:56 PM

198. See, that's one conversation I wouldn't mind hearing.

I'm only half-kidding.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #198)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:00 PM

202. Well, I never heard what she "was about to..."

I had picked up my beverage and was moving to a different spot. Not my cuppa chai latte, I guess.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:39 PM

179. I s'pose a benign tradition that affects no one and no thing is indeed

I s'pose a couple expressing a benign tradition that affects no one and no thing is indeed, something to engender hatred.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:43 PM

184. Why must they spend their entire life praying over every morsel of their food?

Thank their god once a year by simply praying.....This is my yearly thanks for all the food I receive next year. Then move on with their life and become good-doers and help the poor or something like that.

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Response to 0zone (Reply #184)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:53 PM

195. Sometimes it's good to be thankful for the things they we...

take for granted every day. Some people give no thanks, some people give thanks once a year, personally, once a year doesn't work for me. I don't pray over my food but i remind myself to be thankful for food, a job and a roof over my head, also thankful people know me by name, and care about me. A lot of people have none of those things and many people don't have as much as all of those things. It's good to not take them for granted, and if that means saying it every day, nothing wrong with that. Being thankful hardly takes up any time at all.

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Response to 0zone (Reply #184)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:11 PM

218. Maybe some others are not so enlightened as you

and need more constant reminders?

When I was a kid I was taught to say grace. The words were, "Thank you, Lord, for your bounty. Bless this food to our use and us to your service, and make us ever mindful of the needs of others. Amen."

I don't think being taught to be thankful that we have food to eat and reminding ourselves that others do not so that we should share what we do have is a bad or hypocritical custom.

I do not often follow this custom myself, but I do find it helpful when I am very grieved, especially by the loss of a family member. Then it reminds me that things could be worse, that I should try to be thankful for what I do have, and that the way to deal appropriately with suffering and sorrow is to try to improve the lives of others. At least it does not leave one in the isolation of grief.

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Response to 0zone (Reply #184)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:25 PM

232. Control

If your religion does not constantly remind you about your deity's importance, you might start to think your deity, and his earthly swindlers...er...messengers aren't quite so important.

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Response to 0zone (Reply #184)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:20 PM

291. Yep, and I think those of the Muslim faith praying five times a day is waaaay overboard. They

should just pray once for the year and be done with it.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:49 PM

193. "Thank you God for this shitty coffee and barely edible bagel."

Makes sense to me!

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:54 PM

196. I wear a religious medal.

It's not particularly large or conspicuous, but it's visible. Do you hate that too?

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Response to Brigid (Reply #196)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:11 PM

219. no. and neither does the sight of a nun turn me apoplectic

 

in the right mood, and if she's young enough it can be a turn on. j/k.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:55 PM

197. "Let us pray...."

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:58 PM

200. I don't mind a bit in a food court when the occupants

of the next table join hands to mumble over their food. That's their right and it doesn't bother me a bit.

I do mind it when anyone in any situation in public feels compelled to declaim his prayers, politics or sex life.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:01 PM

205. I hate it when people "pray" over their cell phones aloud in public.

Sitting in Starbucks, this couple sits down next to me with their bagel and coffee and pick up their iPhones and start talking quite loudly to whoever about their fine mid morning snack. Ugh!

I get it. You love your iPhone. But supposedly there is a way to send messages silently. Don't underestimate the magical powers of your smart phone.

And if you were trying to "bear witness" to the greatness of your iPhone..it had the opposite of the intended effect.

Yours truly, a person who does not have a smart phone who is just trying to enjoy her coffee and newspaper in peace.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:01 PM

206. At least they're not yappin' on a phone or yellin' at their tablet........

I really don't care about what god or goddess you worship, but I really REALLY don't care about your cell phone buddy or game of fruit ninja you just lost.............

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:04 PM

209. Seems silly to me, but I do not hate it.

I guess if it happen all the time it would get on my last nerve.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:04 PM

210. I hate it when they show off like that.

They have ugly purses with large rhinestone crosses on them. This one is more modest than the ones I've seen.



And a charm bracelet with a bunch of crosses hanging off it, and two inch long cross earrings, and a cross necklace, and I want to ask them:

"Do you have a vampire problem?"

I hate the assumption where I live that A) Everybody is a Christian; and B) everyone is a particular type of Christian, Protestant and evangelical and conservative.


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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #210)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:17 PM

224. lol

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:10 PM

214. I'm more bothered by people on cell phones...

who go through a line at a store, have their items rung up, bagged, pay for them and go on their merry way without ever once making eye contact with or in any way acknowledging the clerk. That's just fucking rude.

I've never seen people praying in restaurants here in the Bible Belt, fwiw, and the one person I knew who did pray in public was one of the most vile people I've ever met but I try not to let that view extend to other people who do the same. She was a backstabbing, vindictive, lying, manipulative nutjob but she would've been that way even without bringing religion into the equation--I'm convinced there was something wrong with the way her brain was wired.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:10 PM

215. That's when you take the salt and make a pentagram on your table and offer a latte to Satan. n/t

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:12 PM

220. Never had that happen to me

What I hate is when someone says "God Bless" They have NO idea if you believe, and it's insulting.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:21 PM

227. plus oh so many sighs and amens n/t

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:21 PM

228. This OP is almost exactly the caricature of atheists and agnostics the religious think of

I'm an atheist and I could really give two shits about someone praying aloud (or even silently for that matter) at a public place.

I'll let them enjoy their steak in peace if they'll let me enjoy my baby in peace

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #228)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:58 PM

270. that was funny

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #228)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 05:17 PM

324. I just had a vision of an atheist pick-out-your-own baby restaurant:

"Yeah, I'll take that nice juicy plump one over in the corner of that playpen...No, not that crawler, that other one next to it..."

I did like to nibble on my kids' fat little arms and legs when they were babies and toddlers, though. Maybe that's my "gateway" to actual baby eating.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:22 PM

229. When that happens...

I shout RAMEN! at the top of my lungs,
And ask everyone to say a prayer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and ask that they all be touched by his noodly appendages!

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:24 PM

231. itadakimasu

 

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Response to Crow73 (Reply #231)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:29 AM

373. Haiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

Itadakimasu!!!!!

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:25 PM

233. I can understand you being annoyed ...

... and it would annoy me (but it's never happened to me), but it is their right.

Rights can be annoying sometimes, but I like having them.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:27 PM

237. Matthew 6:6

"But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you."

Obviously these types are nothing but Pharisees......all show. If they really believed in their holy book, they would pay attention to this verse too.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:31 PM

243. Me too and...

When I see that I don't trust the food either.

I don't want to eat somewhere the costumers have to pray because the food may need divine intervention.

"And lord please don't let the hamburger and fries wipe out little Betty and Billy and lord Granny and Gramps might have a few quality years left in them, so please don't let the blue plate special send them on to eternity, until I'm sure the will is made out to only me and me alone!"

"PS, Lord you leave the tip again this time, if you feel that the service was worthy."

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Response to Hubert Flottz (Reply #243)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:38 PM

252. What really gets me is...

when they haul out their snakes and start rolling around on the floor saying things I don't understand. I'm too old to run fast.

Seriously...if a Muslim hauled out his prayer rug in the place and got down to face Mecca, the others who had been praying would be ready to lynch the Muslim.

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Response to Hubert Flottz (Reply #243)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:07 PM

273. damn that was funny

 

especially about the cheap tipping bit

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:35 PM

249. I hate when people act all 'urban' over their meal aloud in public

Yeah, I claim to be tolerant of them and dont actively prevent them from enjoying their culture, but I silently judge them and just plain don't like them.

Too bad I can't label them by religion or this would be a totally kosher thing to say.

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Response to Aelyria (Reply #249)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:45 PM

258. That's mighty white of you

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #258)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:00 PM

271. Keepin it classy.

ROFL, I knew I shouldve tossed a sarcasm tag in there

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:39 PM

253. A good reaction would be...

If I was sitting at the table next to them with a friend, after they had finished would be to hold hands ourselves and loudly give thanks to the Great Spaghetti Monster in the sky.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:44 PM

255. If the food is so bad they have to pray over it b4 they eat it, maybe you should find

another restaurant.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:45 PM

257. I live in the South

and yes, this happens, and no, it's not nitpicking or because you hate religion. It's because people pray so loudly that they are daring people to object to them praying over their conversations and disrupting their meals that they are paying for just like the praying group is paying for. They probably wouldn't appreciate someone discussing sex loudly at the table next to them, or cursing every other word loudly, so I don't see why people can't tone it down when they are in public. No one cares if you pray.

People DO care if you pray so loudly or fervently that it interrupts the meal they are paying for. I don't need to be witnessed to over lunch or dinner. If I was interested, I would have gone to your church for that.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #257)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:51 PM

263. I live in the south too.

have you ever seen anyone 'aggressively' praying?

Did they circle your table and chant in your ear? Chant the hymns over a bullhorn? Pretend they were restaurant employees and clap while they sang "happy happy birthday, tgank Christ for your very special day"?

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Response to Aelyria (Reply #263)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:55 PM

268. You aren't in the part of the South I'm in, then

or have never been to an all-you-can-eat buffet which is where the Evangelicals hang out (because they don't serve alcohol). If you have never sat next to a group of Pentecostals, readily identified by the lack of makeup, uncut hair and long skirts, you have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'll wager that plenty of people know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, including the poster that posted this.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #268)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:09 PM

275. ummmm....

I'm in NC. All I see are college kids and white collars.

Your description sounds more like hippies than hicks.

And I LOVE bbq buffets.

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Response to Aelyria (Reply #275)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:12 PM

279. spend some time in Southwest Missouri or parts of Oklahoma, Texas, etc. many fundies

 

who go nuts at the opportunity to wear their religion on their sleeve.

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Response to Aelyria (Reply #275)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:16 PM

316. Clearly

Pentecostal sound like hippies!? The two are wider apart than the Atlantic ocean.

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Response to Aelyria (Reply #263)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:10 PM

277. that was a weird post

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #277)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:20 PM

288. misconceptions

The way people talk about the South, you'd think you couldn't enter the state without declaring your faith under polygraph...

...I dont see it

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Response to Aelyria (Reply #288)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:28 PM

295. well, if you live in the Research Triangle of NC or northern Virginia outside DC, you probably

 

wouldn't see it. But go a little further to the mountains in NC and you will see it all the time.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:52 PM

264. If they're gonna do it loud they should thank him for the 40,000 humans who'll starve to death today

because that's how many people die of starvation every 24 hours, FORTY THOUSAND, many of them children.

I try not to think bad of religious people, but the pushier they are the more I think of all the reasons there can't possibly be a benevolent "God", especially one who gives a shit about their worship.

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Response to stuntcat (Reply #264)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:09 AM

382. "Thank you god, for choosing someone else to starve to death today. "

If they really believed it all, they'd save that money and donated it to a food pantry.

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Response to stuntcat (Reply #264)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:56 PM

396. Silly you! They're not beloved of god.....They're not the BLESSED ones!

Bunch of people sitting around patting themselves on the back about how blessed they are.
They must be SO GOOD!!

And they're THANKFUL, so you know they deserve THEIR bounty!

Like the people who survive tornados thanking god for their deliverance.
Too bad Jesus hated their next door neighbors! They were obviously not protected by
god.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:00 PM

272. If I was in there I would have went up to buy an hot chocolate and as I put the

cup to my mouth I would toast here's one for good old Beelzebub.

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #272)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:13 PM

280. lololol

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:14 PM

282. Even as a Christian,

I can understand how that can be annoying. I would either just listen to my iPod if I have it on hand, or maybe go outside.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:14 PM

283. Maybe, if you leaned over toward their table and said "Can you ask your kids to quiet down?"

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That should shock them back into reality as they try to figure out what you mean by what you said.



Tikki

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:17 PM