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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:03 AM

 

Morsi didn't suck as President. He was boycotted by Mubarak loyalists and the wealthy elite

If you have doubts, read this NYT article today about how the gas lines miraculous disappeared in the short amount of time since the coup took place.

The police (loyal to Mubarak) stopped working and now police officers are everywhere fighting Islamists.


NYT (July 10, 2013): The apparently miraculous end to the crippling energy shortages, and the re-emergence of the police, seems to show that the legions of personnel left in place after former President Hosni Mubarak was ousted in 2011 played a significant role — intentionally or not — in undermining the overall quality of life under the Islamist administration of Mr. Morsi.


This is the same Mubarak that was ousted by the people of Egypt.

Working behind the scenes, members of the old establishment, some of them close to Mr. Mubarak and the country’s top generals, also helped finance, advise and organize those determined to topple the Islamist leadership, including Naguib Sawiris, a billionaire and an outspoken foe of the Brotherhood; Tahani El-Gebali, a former judge on the Supreme Constitutional Court who is close to the ruling generals; and Shawki al-Sayed, a legal adviser to Ahmed Shafik, Mr. Mubarak’s last prime minister, who lost the presidential race to Mr. Morsi.



Yes, the situation was dire during Morsi's reign, but it does not necessarily means Morsi's policies caused it.

The people of Egypt have been duped, by this is nothing to be ashamed up. The powerful few on Earth have been deceiving the little ones since the beginning of times. Sad but true.

There's much more you will find interesting in this piece: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/world/middleeast/improvements-in-egypt-suggest-a-campaign-that-undermined-morsi.html?hp&_r=0

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Reply Morsi didn't suck as President. He was boycotted by Mubarak loyalists and the wealthy elite (Original post)
Blue Bike Jul 2013 OP
geek tragedy Jul 2013 #1
Scootaloo Jul 2013 #2
Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #3
Blue Bike Jul 2013 #9
randome Jul 2013 #4
Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #5
magellan Jul 2013 #6
hatrack Jul 2013 #7
Blue Bike Jul 2013 #10
hatrack Jul 2013 #11
Blue Bike Jul 2013 #13
hatrack Jul 2013 #16
Scurrilous Jul 2013 #21
WovenGems Jul 2013 #15
cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #8
Blue Bike Jul 2013 #12
muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #17
JaneyVee Jul 2013 #14
Iggo Jul 2013 #18
Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #19
sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #20

Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:04 AM

1. Yeah, those Egyptians were so ungrateful to not embrace his authoritarianism and

theocratic leanings.

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:07 AM

2. Sounds like the lead-up to the coup against Allende.

"Make the economy scream" - Richard Nixon's order to the CIA regarding Chile.

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:11 AM

3. The 2 are not mutually exclusive

 

He and MB sucked as a ruling party (much the way Hamas sucks in Palestinian territories) AND the people of all groups protested and boycotted him.

Most of his support came from poor, rural people of low education that were religious fundamentalists. Sound familiar?

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:20 AM

9. Nobody denies that poor people protested. But did they protest because Morsi screw up?

 

Or did they protest because of what the NYT suggest was a boycott of the electricit power grid and gas supply?

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:15 AM

4. Also a much reviled control freak according to Bassem Youssef, Egypt's Jon Stewart.


Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:17 AM

5. Wouldn't be the first time. The people in control like being the people in control. n/t

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:19 AM

6. Are you serious? He was an incompetent president

He has no experience in governing and that was painfully clear. He had no handle on anything and listened to no one but MB, which was striving to be even more brutal than Mubarak. The constitution created a theocracy. That's no way to run a country, let alone a democracy.

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:20 AM

7. You mean appointing a member of the group that massacred tourists to a governorship didn't suck?

Oh, and the position in question was the governorship of Luxor, the heart of the nation's tourist sector.

Egypt’s tourism minister has resigned a day after President Mohamed Morsi appointed a new governor to Luxor province from an Islamist party linked to a massacre of holidaymakers in the temple city.

Hesham Zazou said on Wednesday he "couldn't continue in the role of tourism minister" after the appointment of Adel al-Khayat, a former member of the political arm of Islamist group Gamaa Islamiya.

Gamaa Islamiya claimed responsibility for the attack on a major tourist attraction in Luxor killing 58 foreign nationals in 1997.

EDIT

n statements to the media, he said his first priority as governor would be to "ensure the return of tourists" to Luxor. But a coalition of opposition groups, trade unions and tourism workers has threatened to close down all Pharaonic temples and tourist attractions should Khayat remain in the post.

EDIT

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/06/20136191394457908.html

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Response to hatrack (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:22 AM

10. So the appointment of a governor has more weight than the fall of electricity and gas supply?

 

The question remains: Would the protests have been as humongous as they were, had the Mubarak loyalists and the military not messed with the functioning of vital services of the country?

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Response to Blue Bike (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:24 AM

11. I didn't say that the apointment did have more weight than keeping the lights on.

I merely suggested that it sucked, politically and professionally.

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Response to hatrack (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:25 AM

13. So can you assess the importance of the electricity/gas situation...?

 

And who you think caused it?

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Response to Blue Bike (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:29 AM

16. I don't know, is there going to be a quiz tomorrow?



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Response to hatrack (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:03 PM

21. LOL

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Response to Blue Bike (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:28 AM

15. The Brotherhood

Are you a member? If so tell us why Morsy couldn't put together a workable constitution. Egypt can not be a theocracy. The military had no choice.

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:20 AM

8. Yeah, as backward RW loons go, Morsi was awesome

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:24 AM

12. I can say without doubt, that not one comment has addressed the electricity/gas/police situation

 

Every comment defending Morsi has totally avoided this point, talking instead of other things Morsi did, as if electricity and gasoline were secondary things in a person's life.

It's as if nobody read the NY Times article and jumped into this comment section instead.

Update: I now see that one (and only one) person has address the boycott: the member who compared this situation to the situation during Allende's Presidency.

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Response to Blue Bike (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:11 PM

17. NYT is behind a paywall, so, no, a lot of people won't read it

The thing is, your thread title just states Morsi didn't suck, while ignoring the things he did like screwing around with parliament and the constitution. You say the people of Egypt were 'duped'. You can't limit this to the electricity/gas situation - or how many police are on the streets - because the protests were about far more than that.

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:25 AM

14. Conservatism is cannibalizing global communities.

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:17 PM

18. You're not saying he didn't suck. You're saying why he sucked.

That's different.

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:30 PM

19. I think there was a determined effort to sabotage Morsi's presidency from the get-go.

This article kind of supports that argument.

I mean, the nerve of that guy! Assuming that just because he won the election, he could govern.

The Mubarek "deep state"--the Army, the police, the judiciary, the Interior Ministry--is now back in control.

Not saying Morsi was perfect, not by a long shot, but he was elected president. There is a way to remove an elected president that doesn't involve guns and tanks. Hmmm, what could that be?

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Response to Blue Bike (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:36 PM

20. Not what I heard from the 'working poor' in Egypt last November.

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