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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:08 PM Feb 2012

How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did

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Every time you go shopping, you share intimate details about your consumption patterns with retailers. And many of those retailers are studying those details to figure out what you like, what you need, and which coupons are most likely to make you happy. Target, for example, has figured out how to data-mine its way into your womb, to figure out whether you have a baby on the way long before you need to start buying diapers.

Charles Duhigg outlines in the New York Times how Target tries to hook parents-to-be at that crucial moment before they turn into rampant — and loyal — buyers of all things pastel, plastic, and miniature. He talked to Target statistician Andrew Pole — before Target freaked out and cut off all communications — about the clues to a customer’s impending bundle of joy. Target assigns every customer a Guest ID number, tied to their credit card, name, or email address that becomes a bucket that stores a history of everything they’ve bought and any demographic information Target has collected from them or bought from other sources. Using that, Pole looked at historical buying data for all the ladies who had signed up for Target baby registries in the past. From the NYT:

[Pole] ran test after test, analyzing the data, and before long some useful patterns emerged. Lotions, for example. Lots of people buy lotion, but one of Pole’s colleagues noticed that women on the baby registry were buying larger quantities of unscented lotion around the beginning of their second trimester. Another analyst noted that sometime in the first 20 weeks, pregnant women loaded up on supplements like calcium, magnesium and zinc. Many shoppers purchase soap and cotton balls, but when someone suddenly starts buying lots of scent-free soap and extra-big bags of cotton balls, in addition to hand sanitizers and washcloths, it signals they could be getting close to their delivery date.


Or have a rather nasty infection…

As Pole’s computers crawled through the data, he was able to identify about 25 products that, when analyzed together, allowed him to assign each shopper a “pregnancy prediction” score. More important, he could also estimate her due date to within a small window, so Target could send coupons timed to very specific stages of her pregnancy.

One Target employee I spoke to provided a hypothetical example. Take a fictional Target shopper named Jenny Ward, who is 23, lives in Atlanta and in March bought cocoa-butter lotion, a purse large enough to double as a diaper bag, zinc and magnesium supplements and a bright blue rug. There’s, say, an 87 percent chance that she’s pregnant and that her delivery date is sometime in late August.


And perhaps that it’s a boy based on the color of that rug?

So Target started sending coupons for baby items to customers according to their pregnancy scores. Duhigg shares an anecdote — so good that it sounds made up — that conveys how eerily accurate the targeting is. An angry man went into a Target outside of Minneapolis, demanding to talk to a manager:

“My daughter got this in the mail!” he said. “She’s still in high school, and you’re sending her coupons for baby clothes and cribs? Are you trying to encourage her to get pregnant?”

The manager didn’t have any idea what the man was talking about. He looked at the mailer. Sure enough, it was addressed to the man’s daughter and contained advertisements for maternity clothing, nursery furniture and pictures of smiling infants. The manager apologized and then called a few days later to apologize again.

(Nice customer service, Target.)

On the phone, though, the father was somewhat abashed. “I had a talk with my daughter,” he said. “It turns out there’s been some activities in my house I haven’t been completely aware of. She’s due in August. I owe you an apology.”


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How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did (Original Post) n2doc Feb 2012 OP
This Target data mining and advertising ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #1
They are data mining the information they collected.. snooper2 Feb 2012 #3
That doesn't make it any less creepy. Brigid Feb 2012 #5
That's why everybody says to pay with cash- snooper2 Feb 2012 #6
Or at least a few prepaid debit cards with fake names :) n/t arcane1 Feb 2012 #11
I didn't say it was illegal or nobody else does it. ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #16
Was this guy creepy too? jberryhill Feb 2012 #4
Good point... redqueen Feb 2012 #13
It's not creepy, per se...just marketing. Atman Feb 2012 #7
I mentioned this on another thread RZM Feb 2012 #9
Pay cash and they have no way of knowing who you are. n/t Fla Dem Feb 2012 #10
A story I remember from 20 years or so ago ... zbdent Feb 2012 #2
It's a little creepy, but I get a big laugh when I buy baby food for my cats MH1 Feb 2012 #8
ahahahaha MadrasT Feb 2012 #26
My aunt always bought baby food for her beloved Siamese cat. Rhiannon12866 Feb 2012 #33
Simple cure to data mining-pay cash. hobbit709 Feb 2012 #12
It won't be completely effective jmowreader Feb 2012 #21
But they won't be ads tailored to you specifically. hobbit709 Feb 2012 #25
I actually LIKE tailored ads jmowreader Feb 2012 #27
95% of my mail never gets past the recycling can on my way back into the house. hobbit709 Feb 2012 #30
Can you fix the link? tammywammy Feb 2012 #14
sorry. Should be fixed n/t n2doc Feb 2012 #17
cotton balls? n/t orleans Feb 2012 #15
Another reason, besides saving car trips, to shop for friends saras Feb 2012 #18
I fail to see what Target did wrong joeglow3 Feb 2012 #19
Pay cash. When they ask for your zip code, say 90210. Thwart the basstids. nt MADem Feb 2012 #20
If you really want to fuck with them, buy baby food and rat poison Major Nikon Feb 2012 #22
Aaagh! nt MADem Feb 2012 #23
thanks for this information, it's helpful HeiressofBickworth Feb 2012 #24
I'd do it, better safe than sorry. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #29
I'd get to the bottom of it. Iris Feb 2012 #31
Wow, that's really creepy! Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #28
Guess what? Politicians (particularly the GOP and Rove's and the Koch's various PACS) . . . ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2012 #32
I ordered Pizza Hut online an hour ago and got on DU now...guess what I find joeglow3 Feb 2012 #34
That you should have got on an hour ago...before you ordered the pizza? jmowreader Feb 2012 #35
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. They are data mining the information they collected..
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:15 PM
Feb 2012

Nothing illegal about that..

Lot's of companies do it these days.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
5. That doesn't make it any less creepy.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:22 PM
Feb 2012

And people worry about government and invasion of privacy.

And I would like to know why that father felt he owed Target an apology. Frankly, it is just waaay over the line for a retailer to have that much info on customers, to the point they know about a matter so private.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Was this guy creepy too?
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:22 PM
Feb 2012


That's Sam Drucker, who ran the General Store in Green Acres.

Or this guy:



Sam the Butcher from the Brady Bunch.

The way this used to work is that retailers knew who you were, what you were up to, and what things you might be interested in.

It was called "personal service".

The problem is that personal connection doesn't scale without automation. But you can bet that Sam Drucker had a pretty good idea when every woman in Green Acres was having their period and what products they liked to use for that, so he'd know what to stock, how much, and to remember to point out to his customers when he'd gotten a shipment at a reduced price of something they'd probably want.

That's precisely what retailers have always done.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
7. It's not creepy, per se...just marketing.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:26 PM
Feb 2012

I was in on one of these firms from the very beginning, when stores used to ask for your phone number. Using that, they did the same kind of stuff Target is doing now. But it's become much more sophisticated, especially with the advent of super powerful computers and such. Target isn't doing anything but looking at what is being purchased and discerning patterns. Some people actually like the coupons and offers. If you don't want your purchases tracked and data-mined, pay in cash and don't give the cashier any personal information. There are ways to opt out. Anyone in this day and age who is surprised that this stuff is going on simply hasn't been paying attention.

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RZM

(8,556 posts)
9. I mentioned this on another thread
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:33 PM
Feb 2012

This is essentially the retail version of 'Moneyball.' Not much more than the creative use of statistics.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
2. A story I remember from 20 years or so ago ...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:14 PM
Feb 2012

a friend of a co-worker became pregnant. Pretty much was just the Dr. and close family informed.

Very early on in the pregnancy, it self-terminated. The family was devastated. Unfortunately, the former "Mom-to-be" kept receiving advertisements and junk mail targeting young moms & moms-to-be for a LONG time. Very distressing.

Somehow, the advertising "machine" got wind ...

MH1

(17,600 posts)
8. It's a little creepy, but I get a big laugh when I buy baby food for my cats
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:30 PM
Feb 2012

(which I only do about once a year or so)

and then the store gives me Gerber baby product coupons everytime I check out for the next three months!

Rhiannon12866

(205,202 posts)
33. My aunt always bought baby food for her beloved Siamese cat.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 07:54 AM
Feb 2012

She did most of her shopping at a local "mom and pop" market, so they knew her by name. One day, as she bought yet more baby food, as she'd done for years, the "pop" owner of the store finally asked, "How old is your baby, Mrs. xxxxxx?" That's when he found out who she was really shopping for...

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
21. It won't be completely effective
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 12:54 AM
Feb 2012

YES you can prevent the company tying you to all those purchases if you pay cash...but they still have the transaction data--with no customer attached, but a transaction is still a transaction.

If a lot of people start purchasing in ways that pregnant people normally do in a particular region, they can change the ads for that region to correspond. (Think in terms of a four-page pull-out full of baby stuff and fewer video games, men's clothes and other items pregnant people would buy less of.)

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
25. But they won't be ads tailored to you specifically.
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:22 AM
Feb 2012

Just like when some business wants my phone number. I don't give out my number and if they insist, I give them the local Time and Temperature Number.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
27. I actually LIKE tailored ads
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 01:29 AM
Feb 2012

I don't have a child, a dog, any chronic illness, a game console or a Windows PC. I don't eat processed foods, listen to country music, or have room in my apartment for any more furniture than I already have. Apparently everyone else in North Idaho has some combination of the above, because 90 percent of the ads in my own newspaper are totally worthless to me.

It would be kinda nice if I could get ads tailored to the things I am going to buy anyway.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
30. 95% of my mail never gets past the recycling can on my way back into the house.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 06:14 AM
Feb 2012

I can't think of a single thing I've bought in the last 5 years from an ad in the mail.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
18. Another reason, besides saving car trips, to shop for friends
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 02:31 PM
Feb 2012

There's no reason every individual needs to buy every single item they ever use in a traceable manner, and in fact it's easier in a lot of ways to avoid it than to go along with it.

And the guy is stupid enough to think he owes TARGET an apology?!!!

I really have little sympathy, though. If you're going to go along with this sort of system, it is, without fail, going to keep getting more invasive and more manipulative. To stop developing it at this point would be commercial suicide.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
19. I fail to see what Target did wrong
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 02:46 PM
Feb 2012

I am assuming that since she was a teenager, she did not have a credit card. Rather, she probably volutarily signed up for a reward card, KNOWING her purchases would be tracked.

This is like people who post shit tons of information on Facebook and then bitch when people see it and use the information.

Have some personal responsibility and don't freely hand of this information unless you want them to use it.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
24. thanks for this information, it's helpful
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 05:44 AM
Feb 2012

My 16 year-old granddaughter started receiving baby related items (promotional letters, magazines, formula samples) about two months ago. When the first one arrived, I asked her (in a joking manner) if she had anything she needed to tell me. We laughed.

She doesn't have a credit card and the little shopping she is allowed is only by cash or her mother's debit card, so it doesn't seem to be a case of department store profiling. We keep treating it lightly, but the number of companies and the volume of junk is increasing. None of this comes from a store, just the suppliers (Gerber, Similac, Enfamil, birth announcements, furniture, 2 different magazines, etc) Eight pieces have come in just the last month.

I'm now concerned that she she may be the victim of a stalker who is sending unwanted, personal, embarrassing (for a 16 YO) materials. Her parents think I'm being overly sensitive but when she was in grade school, she was stalked by a 16 year old boy. The school took drastic safety measures and her parents requested a transfer to another elementary school which was promptly granted due to the circumstances and she was never bothered again.

So, kind DU'ers, I'm considering taking the time to contact all the companies and get to the bottom of this. What say you??? Am I being an over-protective Grandma or is there legitimate cause for concern?

Iris

(15,652 posts)
31. I'd get to the bottom of it.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 06:20 AM
Feb 2012

What can it hurt?

I recently heard a report that said a staggering number of young women (middle & high school) are harassed or stalked at some point before leaving school.

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
32. Guess what? Politicians (particularly the GOP and Rove's and the Koch's various PACS) . . .
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 07:16 AM
Feb 2012

. . . use these SAME marketing and PR techniques to target voters in their ads. They have this shit down to a science. They know humans psychologically - really well. They know EXACTLY what "buttons" to push to get people to REACT in exactly the ways that they want them to. And to in most cases vote against their own best interests.

Do not underestimate the field of PR and marketing. It's used not only in retail, but also in politics as propaganda. It's been expanded, refined and become much more effective since Hitler's days. It's creepy. And you're bombarded with it EVERY DAY mostly unawares.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
34. I ordered Pizza Hut online an hour ago and got on DU now...guess what I find
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 08:32 PM
Feb 2012

An ad for Pizza Hut. What does that say about DU?

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