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Every time you go shopping, you share intimate details about your consumption patterns with retailers. And many of those retailers are studying those details to figure out what you like, what you need, and which coupons are most likely to make you happy. Target, for example, has figured out how to data-mine its way into your womb, to figure out whether you have a baby on the way long before you need to start buying diapers.
Charles Duhigg outlines in the New York Times how Target tries to hook parents-to-be at that crucial moment before they turn into rampant and loyal buyers of all things pastel, plastic, and miniature. He talked to Target statistician Andrew Pole before Target freaked out and cut off all communications about the clues to a customers impending bundle of joy. Target assigns every customer a Guest ID number, tied to their credit card, name, or email address that becomes a bucket that stores a history of everything theyve bought and any demographic information Target has collected from them or bought from other sources. Using that, Pole looked at historical buying data for all the ladies who had signed up for Target baby registries in the past. From the NYT:
Or have a rather nasty infection
One Target employee I spoke to provided a hypothetical example. Take a fictional Target shopper named Jenny Ward, who is 23, lives in Atlanta and in March bought cocoa-butter lotion, a purse large enough to double as a diaper bag, zinc and magnesium supplements and a bright blue rug. Theres, say, an 87 percent chance that shes pregnant and that her delivery date is sometime in late August.
And perhaps that its a boy based on the color of that rug?
So Target started sending coupons for baby items to customers according to their pregnancy scores. Duhigg shares an anecdote so good that it sounds made up that conveys how eerily accurate the targeting is. An angry man went into a Target outside of Minneapolis, demanding to talk to a manager:
The manager didnt have any idea what the man was talking about. He looked at the mailer. Sure enough, it was addressed to the mans daughter and contained advertisements for maternity clothing, nursery furniture and pictures of smiling infants. The manager apologized and then called a few days later to apologize again.
(Nice customer service, Target.)
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ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)is just creepy.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Nothing illegal about that..
Lot's of companies do it these days.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)And people worry about government and invasion of privacy.
And I would like to know why that father felt he owed Target an apology. Frankly, it is just waaay over the line for a retailer to have that much info on customers, to the point they know about a matter so private.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Makes it easier to budget that way anyway
arcane1
(38,613 posts)ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)it's just creepy.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That's Sam Drucker, who ran the General Store in Green Acres.
Or this guy:
Sam the Butcher from the Brady Bunch.
The way this used to work is that retailers knew who you were, what you were up to, and what things you might be interested in.
It was called "personal service".
The problem is that personal connection doesn't scale without automation. But you can bet that Sam Drucker had a pretty good idea when every woman in Green Acres was having their period and what products they liked to use for that, so he'd know what to stock, how much, and to remember to point out to his customers when he'd gotten a shipment at a reduced price of something they'd probably want.
That's precisely what retailers have always done.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I hadn't thought about that before, but you're absolutely right.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I was in on one of these firms from the very beginning, when stores used to ask for your phone number. Using that, they did the same kind of stuff Target is doing now. But it's become much more sophisticated, especially with the advent of super powerful computers and such. Target isn't doing anything but looking at what is being purchased and discerning patterns. Some people actually like the coupons and offers. If you don't want your purchases tracked and data-mined, pay in cash and don't give the cashier any personal information. There are ways to opt out. Anyone in this day and age who is surprised that this stuff is going on simply hasn't been paying attention.
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RZM
(8,556 posts)This is essentially the retail version of 'Moneyball.' Not much more than the creative use of statistics.
Fla Dem
(23,650 posts)zbdent
(35,392 posts)a friend of a co-worker became pregnant. Pretty much was just the Dr. and close family informed.
Very early on in the pregnancy, it self-terminated. The family was devastated. Unfortunately, the former "Mom-to-be" kept receiving advertisements and junk mail targeting young moms & moms-to-be for a LONG time. Very distressing.
Somehow, the advertising "machine" got wind ...
MH1
(17,600 posts)(which I only do about once a year or so)
and then the store gives me Gerber baby product coupons everytime I check out for the next three months!
Yup, me too.
Rhiannon12866
(205,202 posts)She did most of her shopping at a local "mom and pop" market, so they knew her by name. One day, as she bought yet more baby food, as she'd done for years, the "pop" owner of the store finally asked, "How old is your baby, Mrs. xxxxxx?" That's when he found out who she was really shopping for...
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)jmowreader
(50,553 posts)YES you can prevent the company tying you to all those purchases if you pay cash...but they still have the transaction data--with no customer attached, but a transaction is still a transaction.
If a lot of people start purchasing in ways that pregnant people normally do in a particular region, they can change the ads for that region to correspond. (Think in terms of a four-page pull-out full of baby stuff and fewer video games, men's clothes and other items pregnant people would buy less of.)
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Just like when some business wants my phone number. I don't give out my number and if they insist, I give them the local Time and Temperature Number.
jmowreader
(50,553 posts)I don't have a child, a dog, any chronic illness, a game console or a Windows PC. I don't eat processed foods, listen to country music, or have room in my apartment for any more furniture than I already have. Apparently everyone else in North Idaho has some combination of the above, because 90 percent of the ads in my own newspaper are totally worthless to me.
It would be kinda nice if I could get ads tailored to the things I am going to buy anyway.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)I can't think of a single thing I've bought in the last 5 years from an ad in the mail.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Thanks
n2doc
(47,953 posts)orleans
(34,049 posts)saras
(6,670 posts)There's no reason every individual needs to buy every single item they ever use in a traceable manner, and in fact it's easier in a lot of ways to avoid it than to go along with it.
And the guy is stupid enough to think he owes TARGET an apology?!!!
I really have little sympathy, though. If you're going to go along with this sort of system, it is, without fail, going to keep getting more invasive and more manipulative. To stop developing it at this point would be commercial suicide.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I am assuming that since she was a teenager, she did not have a credit card. Rather, she probably volutarily signed up for a reward card, KNOWING her purchases would be tracked.
This is like people who post shit tons of information on Facebook and then bitch when people see it and use the information.
Have some personal responsibility and don't freely hand of this information unless you want them to use it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)My 16 year-old granddaughter started receiving baby related items (promotional letters, magazines, formula samples) about two months ago. When the first one arrived, I asked her (in a joking manner) if she had anything she needed to tell me. We laughed.
She doesn't have a credit card and the little shopping she is allowed is only by cash or her mother's debit card, so it doesn't seem to be a case of department store profiling. We keep treating it lightly, but the number of companies and the volume of junk is increasing. None of this comes from a store, just the suppliers (Gerber, Similac, Enfamil, birth announcements, furniture, 2 different magazines, etc) Eight pieces have come in just the last month.
I'm now concerned that she she may be the victim of a stalker who is sending unwanted, personal, embarrassing (for a 16 YO) materials. Her parents think I'm being overly sensitive but when she was in grade school, she was stalked by a 16 year old boy. The school took drastic safety measures and her parents requested a transfer to another elementary school which was promptly granted due to the circumstances and she was never bothered again.
So, kind DU'ers, I'm considering taking the time to contact all the companies and get to the bottom of this. What say you??? Am I being an over-protective Grandma or is there legitimate cause for concern?
Lunacee2012
(172 posts)Iris
(15,652 posts)What can it hurt?
I recently heard a report that said a staggering number of young women (middle & high school) are harassed or stalked at some point before leaving school.
Lunacee2012
(172 posts)ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts). . . use these SAME marketing and PR techniques to target voters in their ads. They have this shit down to a science. They know humans psychologically - really well. They know EXACTLY what "buttons" to push to get people to REACT in exactly the ways that they want them to. And to in most cases vote against their own best interests.
Do not underestimate the field of PR and marketing. It's used not only in retail, but also in politics as propaganda. It's been expanded, refined and become much more effective since Hitler's days. It's creepy. And you're bombarded with it EVERY DAY mostly unawares.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)An ad for Pizza Hut. What does that say about DU?