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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:47 PM

Want to see something crazy good? Judge refuses 'state secrets" claim; allows NSA lawsuit through

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http://rt.com/usa/state-secrets-nsa-lawsuit-continue-807/

The Obama administration will not be allowed to terminate a lawsuit by asserting that a civil argument would risk exposing national secrets, a federal judge ruled Monday in what has already been called an important advance for civil liberties advocates.

The suit, known as Jewel vs. National Security Agency, was originally filed in 2008 by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and a group of AT&T customers who claimed Bush administration officials had conducted an “illegal and unconstitutional program of dragnet communications surveillance” by operating warrantless surveillance on US citizens.

Attention has re-focused on the case in recent weeks after fugitive whistleblower Edward Snowden leaked NSA documents revealing the government’s widespread domestic and foreign monitoring of telephone and Internet activity.

US District Judge Jeffrey White in San Francisco, California refused to allow the Obama administration to end the lawsuit by citing the ‘state secrets’ privilege. By invoking that privilege, the EFF argued, the federal government hoped to prove widespread warrantless surveillance is not subject to judicial review.

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Reply Want to see something crazy good? Judge refuses 'state secrets" claim; allows NSA lawsuit through (Original post)
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idwiyo Jul 2013 #1
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #2
cantbeserious Jul 2013 #3
truebluegreen Jul 2013 #4
ProSense Jul 2013 #5
Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #8
ProSense Jul 2013 #13
Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #14
Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #18
Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #6
Civilization2 Jul 2013 #7
stupidicus Jul 2013 #9
tnlefty Jul 2013 #10
wildbilln864 Jul 2013 #11
ReRe Jul 2013 #12
Marr Jul 2013 #15
merrily Jul 2013 #16
TransitJohn Jul 2013 #17
avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #19

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:57 PM

1. K&R

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:00 PM

2. That's American .

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:07 PM

3. Due Process Done Right

eom

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:19 PM

4. Yea!

It's about time someone started challenging the "state secrets" BS. Looks like the case came up at a very opportune time.

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:28 PM

5. Some background

from a few weeks ago (originally posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023009232)

Court Challenge To NSA Surveillance Programs Moves Forward

The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court allowed a small challenge to National Security Agency surveillance programs to move forward Wednesday, according to the Atlantic Wire -- but it's a motion that predated the recent leak of information on such programs.

The Atlantic Wire first reported that the Electronic Frontier Foundation had filed a Freedom of Information Act request to obtain the FISC's ruling on an electronic surveillance program's violation of the Fourth Amendment. The ruling was revealed in a July 2012 letter between the director of national intelligence and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR).

The Department of Justice had previously blocked the EFF's FOIA request on the grounds that the FISC ruling was confidential, and the EFF subsequently sued for appeal. The FISC broke with the DOJ Wednesday by deciding that the court's own rules did not prohibit disclosure of the ruling.

"The victory today was a modest one," the EFF wrote Wednesday in a statement on its website. "The Court didn't order disclosure of its opinion; it just made clear, as EFF had argued, that the FISC's own rules don't serve as an obstacle to disclosure of the opinion. The FISC also clarified that the executive branch cannot rely on the judiciary to hide its surveillance: the only thing obstructing the opinion from the public's review is the executive branch's own claims that it can hide its unconstitutional action behind a veil of classification."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/court-challenge-to-nsa-surveillance-programs-moves-forward

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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:39 PM

8. So I assume you do not support the Obama administration's decision to invoke "state secrets."

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:57 PM

13. Why

"So I assume you do not support the Obama administration's decision to invoke "state secrets.""

...do you ask? Don't bother answering because the OP is about the challenge going forward. That's the issue at hand. My opinion is irrelevant, and I'm sure of no value to you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=302048&sub=trans

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Response to ProSense (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:00 PM

14. I'm just wondering because you vehemently support this administration.

Despite the fact that it is trying to get lawsuits thrown out on the condition of "state secrets."

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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:40 AM

18. *crickets chirping*

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:29 PM

6. "Sane" good, not "crazy" good. n/t

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:34 PM

7. Secret trials with close "evidence" is bullsht and must not be tollerated in an open democaracy.

 

The closing of society to the whims security apparatus is appalling, push back is needed.

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:50 PM

9. that's welcome and long overdue news.

eom

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:53 PM

10. This is the Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit, correct?

Saw it earlier, still sweet!!

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:53 PM

11. Awesome! eom.

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:54 PM

12. K&R

Well, it might take forever, but it's a step in the right direction, right?

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:22 PM

15. Well, maybe our president will actually get that "conversation" he's been wanting/blocking

for so long.

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:23 PM

16. Cool. Thanks, brave whistleblowers.

We cannot thank you enough.

Even though this is a small step, it's something.

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:10 PM

17. Let the sunshine in! K&R

n/t

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:45 AM

19. Appreciate the good news.

k&r

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