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Lac Megantic: Hospital eerily quiet after Quebec explosion
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But then nothing happened. The wind blew the smoke in the opposite direction and no patients with any of the serious burns and other injuries that might have been expected arrived at the emergency room.
Bernard Théberge received second-degree burns on his right arm while fleeing from the patio of the downtown Musi-Café, where many are thought to have died, but he said he hadnt seen any other burn victims when he went to the hospital Saturday.
One Red Cross volunteer who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media put it bluntly: You have to understand: there are no wounded. Theyre all dead.
That absence of injured is one of the most haunting signals to have emerged from the train explosion, which police says has left five people confirmed dead and about 40 people unaccounted for nearly two full days after the first blast.
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the rest:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/07/07/lac_megantic_hospital_eerily_quiet_after_quebec_explosion.html
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Quebec disaster: Oil shipments by rail have increased 28,000 per cent since 2009
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/quebec-disaster-oil-shipments-by-rail-have-increased-28-000-per-cent-since-2009-1.1357356#ixzz2YQA9IpsN
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)wtf????
Too expensive for trucks to haul it?
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)corner rail?
money.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Far more likely to get into a crash with a truck. As for cost, I believe you can move one ton roughly 450 miles on 1 gallon of fuel by rail, about 3 times more efficient than trucks.
cali
(114,904 posts)rail oil transport leaks than pipeline leaks, though pipeline leaks have spilled more oil than pipeline leaks. the operative word is have, because that's changing with the growth of rail transport, which has increased x20 over the past 5 years. Rail transport has also, even prior to this, caused more deaths, but that number was low. It is no longer. This isn't advocacy for either keystone or the even worse Exxon Enbright Northeast pipeline that passes through the most pristine parts of Northern New England and would make use of a 60 year oil pipe now used to pipe light crude to Canada from Portland. There's no argument or debate that rail transport is far more expensive pipeline or that the former causes greater loss of life. I guarantee you that you won't be able to find as much as one source saying that rail is cheaper than pipeline.
The tragic catastrophe in Lac Megantic could happen just about anywhere on the east coast- including CT. Huge amounts of oil are now traveling on a decayed infrastructure through towns and cities. Making matters even more dire, only one company in Dallas manufactures the specialized tanker cars for transport and they have a two year wait.
I've posted extensively- with lots of links about all this over the past couple of days. Here are just a couple
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023191053
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10023184414
In Alberta Canada, an estimated 120,000 barrels of oil per day are shipped out by train to the U.S. east coast and Gulf coast region.
By the end of the year when several terminals are completed that number could reach 200,000 barrels a day.
Despite rail costs doubling pipeline tariffs, the logistics have often been worth the time for producers those that have been able to get a better price railing it past the mid-continent refineries all the way to the US East Coast and Gulf Coast.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2013/0427/Oil-by-train-runs-out-of-track
A group of oil and natural gas pipeline operators are planning to spend about $1 billion on rail depot projects to move crude oil from land-locked inland fields to refineries on the U.S. coasts. For the first time, oil and gas companies that have traditionally rented rail capacity are buying those assets to move oil from oil sands fields in Alberta, the shale oil fields in the Bakken region of North Dakota, and the Eagle Ford in Texas. Moving oil by rail costs about 3 times as much as moving it by pipeline, but moving oil by rail is profitable because oil from these areas is priced about 20 percent less than imported crude because of the lack of pipeline takeaway capacity.
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http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2013/01/18/oil-industry-investing-in-rail-depots-an-alternative-to-keystone/
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Environmentalists have criticized the fracking technology that has brought the boom to North Dakota, citing potential groundwater pollution and other concerns. They also look warily at oil traveling on railroads. Pipelines can be built to avoid population centers and fragile ecosystems, while trains travel over routes where such concerns were not weighed, said Wayde Schafer, a North Dakota-based spokesman for the Sierra Club
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But train accidents often do more than puncture a tank car. Ethanol train accidents, for example, have resulted in multiple car derailments that have sparked massive fireballs. In one of the worst cases, in Cherry Valley, Illinois, in 2009, a derailment of 13 ethanol cars and resulting fire killed one person at a rail crossing and injured seven others, led to the evacuation of 600 homes, and caused $8 million in damages.
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But for the oil shippers, the benefits of railroads may outweigh any of the added costs. Some thicker oils, such as those from the Canadian tar sands, require diluting agents to keep moving through pipelines. There's no need for that when such oils are transported by train. So even while controversy continues to rage over the Keystone XL pipeline that would transport oil from Alberta through the United States to Texas, Canadian producers are boosting their oil shipments by train. (Related Photos: "Animals That Blocked The Path of the Keystone Pipeline" Canadian National's Mongeau predicts railroads will remain competitors even if new pipelines are built.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2012/11/121130-north-dakota-oil-trains/
http://www.thefinancialist.com/the-pipeline-alternative-shale-by-rail/
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)RWers don't like trains because they don't fit the ME ME ME model of rugged individualism and every man for himself. Hell - they're practically commie soshalist.
cali
(114,904 posts)of YOU calling me a right winger. Your post adds nothing to this discussion. Your hate of me is sick. you need help.
cali
(114,904 posts)oh and in the face of this disaster which is a huge tragedy, your comment is all that more repulsive.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I was comparing rail vs. trucks.
As for railroads, I'm a huge supporter of transport by rail all all goods. I want both high speed rail for passengers, and separate commercial tracks for shipping goods in a far less wasteful manner than big rig trucking.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)benefits of the stock prices, the dividends and such. The really powerful don't live in areas in danger of these kinds of accidents.
gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)why hasn't the MSM covered this more?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Think about this.
The less you use, the less this can happen.
Oil: can't live with it, can't live without it.
ananda
(28,837 posts)Very well.
cali
(114,904 posts)live without petroleum products. We're an oil based society.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)It would be a bear and sadly inconvenient but it can be done--history has well proven that.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)The fact that a very different society could function under different circumstances 200 years ago has no bearing on the technological realities of modern society.
What you dismiss as "a bear and sadly inconvenient" would in fact result in famine and disease and the likely deaths of hundreds of millions, almost all of them among the poor.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)is a bit of a leap. We have and we can. Yes, it would result in famine and disease but it could still be done.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)It's like saying "well, your brother died, but we were able to save his toenails."
In point of fact, the developed world CAN'T survive without oil-based products. We can discuss the good or bad of that fact, but it's a fact.
cali
(114,904 posts)You forgot World War III and that the famine and disease would be on a massive, near unimaginable scale. It would mean the breakdown of society on a global level.
So yes, I think it's fair to say we can't survive without oil and oil based products at this point in time.