Ron Paul Supporters Try Brainwashing Democrats...

[Galraedia]

From the "Daily Paul" - Ron Paul Cult Site...

Democratic Underground - Read the comments
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023064050

Obama branded a war criminal in the Irish Parliament - read the comments on this one too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023067394

The Dems are starting to wake up and smell the coffee.
We should join forces.

Don't mention Ron Paul on DU you will get eviscerated (they are still brainwashed over that).
Just mention his policies - the ordinary Dems love lots of them.

Anti bankster
Anti war
Anti Corporatism

etc. etc.

http://www.dailypaul.com/290123/one-rule-for-the-rich-and-one-rule-for-the-rest-banksters-snowden-nsa

Take a look on Democratic Underground

They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.

If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.

Lots of traffic on DU.

It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored.

http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138

It was only a matter of time before the statists started attacking their only real enemy, in order to try and stop the wave that is building with Snowden & the NSA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022999009 (Why Libertarians Are Basically Cult Members)

http://www.dailypaul.com/288738/the-propagandists-are-out-against-libertarians-now

[onehandle]

1. Jackass freaks. nt

[Coyotl]

33. Paid to surf webbots

posting on both sites and cross-promoting is a feature of the propaganda purveyors.

[Mojorabbit]

52. I agree

The posts are getting more outlandish every day and the same small group appear with the sarcastic barbs which prevents any kind of discussion of the subject at hand. It is creepy as hell isn't it?

[Tarheel_Dem]

2. I am definitely bookmarking this.

PS: I have a feeling this will get shut down. Seemingly, any & every theory under the sun can be discussed here, except this one. Something about it causing "paranoia"?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

3. Paul hated the wars, hated Bush and called Manning a hero.

So all true Obama supporters should give their unwavering support of Bush's NSA program to ward-off the Paulestinians.

[baldguy]

4. Paulbots have invaded DU.

[flamingdem]

71. ^^ get yer own website Paulbots

Pretty please

[okaawhatever]

90. When is the administrators of this site going to stop allowing the same repeat articles to be

posted? I rarely click on articles anymore unless I know the poster because I know it's going to be the same Rand Paul freaks with the same anti-Obama, anti-NSA, anti-government bullcrap. It's sad really. Admin needs to wakeup before they lose all the democrats on the site. We need it.

[Blue_Roses]

93. +1

[Hydra]

5. LOL

We need brainwashing? We get plenty here telling us that laws don't matter and we need to trust the people in charge with our lives, money, privacy and votes.

If some Republicans are having issues with what's happening...I'd like to remind you that during the Bush Admin there were Constitutional Reds that were just as against Bush as we were.

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. You mean like this guy?

"Glenn Greenwald’s Hilarious Denial About His Support for Iraq War"





Greenwald confessed to general political apathy this in his book ‘How Would a Patriot Act?’ and admitted that despite his doubts about the war:


"I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country."


Greenwald is a former constitutional lawyer, so he knows how to argue on technicalities, and that’s exactly what he is doing – using semantics to disguise the fact that he supported one of the dumbest wars in history.

http://thedailybanter.com/2013/04/glenn-greenwalds-hilarious-denial-about-his-support-for-iraq-war/

[Hydra]

16. I confess, I'm not seeing the point here

Glenn Greenwald supported the Iraq war because he "Trusted" the President. Bad idea, supporting lawlessness. Later he got the point and flipped, so good on him for getting it late rather than never. He's denying that he did the first thing, so he's back to doing the bad thing.

I think one of the problems with what's going on in this debate is one group is focusing on the people and evaluating them, while the camp I happen to fall in is evaluating the actions and documents.

People are fallible. They do good, bad and indifferent things. They should be praised for the good and called out for the bad. Glenn worked to get this info out, and we need to have it. That's a good. How he stood before may have hurt my protests of the Bush Admin, so that's a bad. President Obama said when he was running that this was bad and unconstitutional. That's a good. He apparently was unwilling or unable to stop it once he was in the Oval Office, and he is covering for the illegal activities. That's a bad.

Ironically, it seems Glenn and the President have switched places. Dealing with it as such is pretty logical.

[Thinkingabout]

41. What Obama said during the campaign was the warrantless wiretapping was illegal. This has changed

And now has warrants through FISA Courts. The FISA court was started in 1979 because of orders by Nixon. Let's start with the truth and then see where we stand but the false accusations will not serve your purpose well, there are many more who know the truth.

[Hydra]

43. Ummm...

Don't know where you were this week, but Snowden leaked a FISA warrant for all of Verizon's daily data, including domestic calls. That's a violation of the 4th amendment- you can't prove probable cause for that many people. Also, the FISA court itself has ruled that the NSA violated the 4th amendment, but the Obama Admin is blocking the FOIA request for the ruling.

Clapper lied to Congress because he knows the program is illegal. This is all pretty straightforward.

[Thinkingabout]

47. Get the full story, the FISA court has oversigbt and is performing their duty. It was not

A ruling against all of NSA surveillance. I still do not know where Snowden has been for the past ten years but he must not have been paying attention but the collecting of phone call records has been occurring. If Snowden thinks he has revealed this information then he is misinformed and those following him are also misinformed.

[Hydra]

67. I hate this meme

Yes, some of us knew what was going on, but we didn't have the documents. No documents, no standing in court, can't sue.

The leaked warrant proves that the FISA court is breaking the law, issuing blanket warrants in an extralegal fashion...but it's all secret, so we can't see it unless someone leaks it.

Everyone wanted this shut down when it was revealed before under Bush...but now we want it? How did it suddenly become "acceptable" to act like Nixon?

[Thinkingabout]

81. Somewhere you have not kept up with the real story but then it may not fit your need to say the

things you have posted here. Perhaps some history of the FISA Act and the reason it was created. What law is FISA court breaking? What Bush did was to order the wiretapping without warrant under his war power act.

[Hydra]

82. The Constitution is Law

They are deliberately violating the 4th amendment. I know we've gotten casual about "That goddamn piece of paper," but that was supposed to change with the election of President Obama.

They are issuing warrants without probable cause. Open that Pandora's box at your peril.

[Thinkingabout]

83. Since you have not seen the warrants and know the reasons then you do not know if they are issuing

warrants without probable cause. Those on the FISA Court knows the laws and are the oversight with the authorization to issue the warrants. On the information provided on different posts the complaint seems to say Obama talked about the warrantless wiretapping during the campaign. Those was on order by Bush under his war powers. This was changed, whether you accept the fact of the FISA Act removed the power of a president to order wiretaps after Nixon ordered them on his enemies. The FISA Act enhanced the Fourth Amendment you speak about.

[okaawhatever]

91. Aren't you ignoring the fact that the warrant was for metadata which the Supreme Court ruled in

1979 didn't even need a warrant to collect?

[burnodo]

24. So did Democrats

What's your excuse for them?

[Tarheel_Dem]

37. No excuse needed, unless they try, like GeeGee to revise history.

[burnodo]

62. No excuse needed?

So Greenwald is bad for supporting Bush but Democrats are good for supporting Bush. OK I see. Uhm, hmm.

[Tarheel_Dem]

69. I can see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. So, I'll just be over here---------->>>>>>

[sigmasix]

39. how could greenwald support an appointed president?

Greenwald admits to supporting the bush usurpation of the whitehouse and the illegal shenanigans of the republicans in Florida in 2000.
I knew of no one that loved america that was willing to support an illegally installed president. But Greenwald was cool with the powers of the 1% installing bush as president. Now that we have a legally elected president, greenwald is convinced that he is an evil instrument of doom and destruction for America.
.
.
Talk about cognitive dissonance? How was Greenwald assured of the legality of the Bush presidential appointment, yet is now convinced that Obama is the one breaking American law and trying to spy on every American all the time?
Greenwald and his worshippers don't want Americans to use logic in attempting to understand the hyperbole and lies of right wing echo-bots like themselves. Admit that you were fooled by Greenwald and his lies- it isn't a crime or a sin to be fooled by evil people- then DU can continue with disussions of merit and sensible credibility.

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. GG is a mass of contradictions. It's why I chuckle when I hear his fans prattle on about.....

the 1%. GG's support of Citizens United should make them at least blush, but they have no shame.

[dawg]

6. Well we don't need any of their brainwashing here.

Most of our brains are washed already.

[progressoid]

7. I have yet to meet a Democrat who has voiced an interest in joining the Libertarian Party.

[bahrbearian]

9. The Palace Guard doesn't care about that, they are busy building strawmen and smearing Mud on them.

[Thinkingabout]

42. This is one die hard Democrat who does not like the libertarian platform.

[HappyMe]

10. There are plenty of them here.

[LostOne4Ever]

11. Stealing this from a friend

The irony of them talking about brainwashed and Ron Paul is just too much. According to them libertarianism is supposed to be liberal on social issues and conservative on economic but Ron Paul is anything but that. Stealing this from a friend of mine:

As for, Ron Paul, he wants to:

* define life as starting at conception: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.2597

* build a fence along the US-Mexico border: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll446.xml

* prevent the Supreme Court from hearing Establishment Clause cases or the right to privacy (a bill which he has repeatedly re-introduced: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.300:

* pull out of the UN: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1146:

* disband NATO: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2004/cr033004.htm

* end birthright citizenship: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.J.RES.46:

* deny federal funding to any organisation "which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style": http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d096:h.r.7955:

* and abolish the Federal Reserve: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.2755:

* in order to put America back on the gold standard: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm

* He was also the sole vote against divesting US federal government investments in corporations doing business with the genocidal government of the Sudan: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-764


Oh, and he also:

* believes that the Left is waging a war on religion and Christmas: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

* is against gay marriage: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul197.html

* is against the popular vote: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul214.html

* wants the estate tax repealed: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul328.html

* is STILL making racist remarks: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/02/ron_paul/

* believes that the Panama Canal should be the property of the United States: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:h.con.res.231:

* and believes in New World Order conspiracy theories: http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/ron_paul_first_bush_was_working_towards_nwo.htm

* not to mention his belief that the International Baccalaureate program is UN mind control: http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r109:E14AP5-0007:

Yeah his social views are so liberal

This is the problem with right wing libertarianism...they LIE about being socially liberal when they really are just a bunch of authoritarians who want to smoke dope. Gay marriage? Abortion? Prostitution? STATE RIGHTS ISSUES! In other words they don't give a damn about social freedom and really want the states to be able to persecute people to their hearts content.

Oh and further Ron Paul Hypocrisy:
http://www.examiner.com/article/ron-paul-files-complaint-with-un-to-get-domains-ronpaul-com-and-ronpaul-org

All the while taking in young people with their false lies of social freedom. But what do you expect from people who don't give a damn about poor people.

[freshwest]

13. Bookmarking here.

[baldguy]

23. And this is the guy Ed Snowden gave money to.

[ZombieHorde]

77. What is the ultimate meaning of that?

What is the significance? What is the consequence? What deep thought should we be having with that revelation?

[baldguy]

85. He adheres to Ron Paul's dangerous & murderous political philosophy.

This is proof enough that he is most likely NOT well-intentioned in his actions, and that should be of concern to all.

The fact that it isn't and that some on DU breathlessly & irrationally claim him as their hero, in spite of all his lies, and in spite of his extremist RW political position, is beyond me.

[ZombieHorde]

86. As opposed to President Obama's dangerous & murderous political philosophy?

There are many innocent people dead because of President Obama. Most of our politicians, and perhaps even most of the 1%, have a dangerous & murderous political philosophy.

[baldguy]

94. Obama is not Hitler. But given a change Ron Paul certainly could be.

If you're a left-leaning, 4th Amendment loving, anti-corporate, anti-establishment libertarian - then people like Ron Paul are not your friends.

But Barack Obama could be.

[ZombieHorde]

95. Niether are Hitler.

Both support policies that cause innocent people to die.

[baldguy]

96. The difference is, of course that one thnks it's something to try to avoid (Obama)

And the other thinks it's something the strive for (Paul).

If you're refusing to acknowledge that difference, then you're hopeless.

[ZombieHorde]

97. I don't use the psychic power of mind reading to judge people.

I only use what I see.

[baldguy]

98. You describe Obama as a dangerous murderer. Apparently you do use what you call "psychic power".

And you seem totally unconcerned about the intentions of Ron Paul & his followers. And you further seem eager to follow him wherever he leads.

I'll repeat this once more: If you're a left-leaning, 4th Amendment loving, anti-corporate, anti-establishment libertarian - then people like Ron Paul are not your friends.

[ZombieHorde]

99. I said his policies were murderous, and those murders in the ME are well documented.

Therefore, I don't need to read his mind, I just need to read the reports.

And you seem totally unconcerned about the intentions of Ron Paul & his followers. And you further seem eager to follow him wherever he leads.

More mind reading.

I'll repeat this once more: If you're a left-leaning, 4th Amendment loving, anti-corporate, anti-establishment libertarian - then people like Ron Paul are not your friends.

Actually, I do have Libertarians as friends. Most of my friends are liberals, but some are conservative. Just because someone disagrees with me doesn't mean I can't be friends with them.

If by "friends" you mean "political allies," then I agree. There are a few policy stances of Paul's that I like, such as anti-war, pro-drugs, etc., but I'm a socialist so his economic policies are the opposite of what I desire.

[Coyotl]

35. ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. Thank You.

[MADem]

53. In short, he's a noxious asshole! Great post, great iteration of that nitwit's POV! nt

[pampango]

60. More recent Rand nuggets:

Rand Paul on Saturday accused President Obama of working with "anti-American globalists" to "plot against our Constitution."

On November 7th, his administration gleefully voted at the UN for a renewed effort to pass the “Small Arms Treaty.”

But after the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut — and anti-gun hysteria in the national media reaching a fever pitch — there’s no doubt President Obama and his anti-gun pals believe the timing has never been better to ram through the U.N.’s global gun control crown jewel.

I don’t know about you, but watching anti-American globalists plot against our Constitution makes me sick. Ever since its founding 65 years ago, the United Nations has been hell-bent on bringing the United States to its knees. (Yeah, Rand. You guessed it. The UN was an FDR plot to bring the US to its knees at the hands of anti-American globalists. You can call Rand many things but you can't call his 'stupid'. On second thought, ...)

These globalists know that as long as Americans remain free to make our own decisions without being bossed around by big government bureaucrats, they’ll NEVER be able to seize the worldwide power they crave. (Again, Rand, you are brilliant. The UN is the New World Order reality - not just a conspiracy theory any more - that you have to protect us against.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/11/rand-paul-obama-gun-control_n_3260890.html

And I thought Agenda 21 and the Law of the Seas were the only UN "plots" against our national sovereignty. It is funny that the rest of the world (well, except for those 'wise' folks on the far-right around the world) cannot see the threats posed by the UN). I am surprised that Paul did not mention these other UN 'plots' in this email. Perhaps he is saving those for his next fund-raising email.

Edit: Rand was probably playing to his base which is big into the New World Order conspiracy theory:

Do you believe that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government, or New World Order, or not?

'Very Liberal' : Yes - 12%, No - 69%;
'Somewhat Liberal' : Yes - 20%, No - 51%;
'Moderate': Yes - 23%, No - 56%;
'Somewhat Conservative' : Yes - 33%, No - 38%;
'Very Conservative' : Yes - 45%, No - 26%.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_ConspiracyTheories_040213.pdf

[savalez]

70. Interesting indeed. n/t

[loyalsister]

79. Not to mention

His anti-tax, laise faire positions benefit corporations.

[rhett o rick]

12. You have made your hatred for Paul very clear. How do you stand on the possibility of the

Trans-Pacific Partnership and/or the Keystone XL Pipeline project?

[bahrbearian]

14. Well you'll have to wait for how they feel about that, Obama hasn't told them .

[Skip Intro]

19. Ha!

[rhett o rick]

49. When your brain is lost and you cant think of a clever response, just add a rude emoticon.

Plez grow up.

[Skip Intro]

65. ?

I'm laughing at the witty remark, imho, that some are waiting for Obama to tell them what to think.

[bluestate10]

20. Hatred for Paul? Facts don't qualify as hatred. May be your love for Paul is an issue?

Yes, go ahead and throw out a couple of issues that must be dealt with to divert the focus from a racist, homophobic, anti-choice, crazy asshole.

[bahrbearian]

21. Be sure to eat your Coco Puffs.

[rhett o rick]

51. I smell desperation. Your hatred is getting the best of you. nm

[sibelian]

15. Interesting site. There's... like...

Last edited Wed Jul 3, 2013, 03:37 AM - Edit history (1)

NOBODY posting on it.

Are they brainwashing us with magic thought amplifiers? All 16 of them at the same time?

Also, reading the comments, not the sharpest tools in the box.

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. Fuck racist, misogynist, homophobic, neo-NAZI supporter Ron Paul and (Ayn) Rand Paul!

He named his son after the douchebag Ayn Rand! Fuck youuuuuuuuuu!

[HappyMe]

18. That pretty much covers it.

[burnodo]

22. Isn't linking to unapproved sites a no no?

Just wondering

[Warren Stupidity]

26. Not really.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

25. Fuck Ron Paul and Rand Paul and those who try to equate legitimate concern with those wackos

or racists, or brainwashed, etc.

DU has been against these totalitarian policies before anyone even heard the name paul, fyi.

[Bobbie Jo]

31. Says the guy who just got here

2 months ago.

FYI....

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

34. I've been reading DU since 2001

[Bobbie Jo]

73. ....and it took you 12 years to register?

Brilliant.

Correction 12

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

74. Mainly I did not want to deal with childish snark

Thanks for helping illustrate the point

[Bobbie Jo]

76. Uhuh.

IOW...you have no point.

[HughBeaumont]

27. Anti-corporatism? Anti-Bankster?

NO. DIFFERENT. FROM MITT ROMNEY. PIGS.

Wrong Pall is an economic Darwinist.

What I have issue with is that Libertarians are the most insincere and shameless bunch I've ever encountered. They present themselves as some noble alternative party, yet ignore a very fatal flaw in their "rugged individualist" grand scheme: One man's "rugged individualist" is another man's assassin, firer, oppressor or abuser. For a collective society to work, for better or for worse, "the island" is destined to fail every time. A sociopathic capitalist doesn't care whether you're on board with his vision; he'll only exploit you for his own gain.

Worst of all is the Libertarian's anti-war stance, which I just don't find genuine. War shouldn't happen because it's immoral and wrong; they all think it shouldn't happen because it's "just another thing government shouldn't be meddling in". Stop pretending you have some noblesse oblige towards the soldiers and veterans when you're completely on board with chopping their benefits and hospitalization when they come home.

I also find it funny that I didn't see hide nor hair of the Paulistines or Libertarians or whatever those guys are during the Failure Fuhrer's reign of war and corporate corruption . . . not a peep. Also find it funny that every Libertarian I've ever heard speak spends 95% of their time bashing one party (give you a hint . . . it's the one that DOESN'T start with an "R&quot .

You couldn't PAY me to be a Libertarian. It's like saying "I want to cure heart disease and cardiomyopathy by voting aneurysms."

[Warren Stupidity]

28. Are you opposed to massive domestic surveillance programs?

[demmiblue]

29. You really seem to be hawking that site. I wonder why... unrec. n/t

[Zorra]

30. Yeh. Post phony shit in Paulville and then bring it here and accuse Democrats of being Paulbots.

A blind 'possum could see right through these little junior conservative league smear jobs.

[Coyotl]

36. ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000

[Mojorabbit]

54. +1000 nt

[Democracyinkind]

59. Talk about stirring up shit.

The irony is completely lost on that one...

[Rex]

100. It's not irony, it is an agenda.

All they know how to do is stir shit. And their Usual Suspect buddies show up right on cue. It is a very boring show, years old. The last dominate Paul lover (that pretended to hate 'them libertarians') got banned last year and rightfully so.

Even the admins don't fall for this kinda crap.

[maddezmom]

63. Just for the record

ian56 has been banned here multiple times under multiple names.

[Blanks]

32. Ron Paul retired.

I expect he's still trying to end the FED and promoting returning to the gold standard, but nothing he says anymore is really getting much attention except among 'bat-shit crazy Paulbots.'

Let him fade away into obscurity, I'd say with dignity, but I'm afraid it's too late for that.

[Marrah_G]

44. Spin Spin Spin

You are so transparent.

[Galraedia]

45. SPIN SPIN SPIN

You are so repetitive.

[Marrah_G]

46. LOL- You should be the last one calling anyone repetative

You post the same crap over and over. You post nothing but flamebait. Your latest McCarthesque crap is laughable.

Keep it up! Eventually the Admins will get sick and tired of it.

[Galraedia]

48. It's REPETITIVE....

Jeez, I even spelled it for you.

[Marrah_G]

50. You have gone completely off the deep end on this issue

I'm not the only one noticing it. You've been posting the same thing over and over. You've become very nasty. You post troll-like flamebait in a way you never did before. I seriously suggest giving it a rest before you flame yourself right out of DU.

Edit: I've decide to put you on ignore for a while. I hope you get this all out of your system soon.

[Galraedia]

55. Apparently refusing to worship at the altar of the Almighty Snowdick is seen as flamebait.

Sorry but I don't want to join your cult.

[burnodo]

61. Another cult reference?

It's funny. It's not the the Snowden or Greenwald supporters who are worshipping.

[cali]

80. stir, stir, stir the shit.

you're getting splattered all over, hon.

[Cha]

56. K&R

[Douglas Carpenter]

57. not only Paulbots but Human Rights Nazis also - trying to force their goddam right to privacy and

and their goddam fourth amendment down our throat!! REAL liberals have always stood for a strong surveillance state that is able to monitor all the people and keep close track of all their communications activities. Who wants to live in a country where government is not closely monitoring everything we do? Remember how loudly we protested during the Bush years when that administration would only pass that watered down namby-pamby Patriot Act instead of real surveillance legislation that would closely monitor everyone? Remember how then Sen. Obama campaigned with a promise to bring us real surveillance and end all this sissy talk about a right to privacy?

It's time for real liberals to speak up and show our solidarity with the NSA and all the clandestine services and demand that the Paulbots and the Human Rights Nazis like the ACLU, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the National Lawyers' Guild and the European Union get off their back!!

"
To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of goodwill to remain silent in the face of evil."


--- ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT -

November 06, 2001

[cali]

75. +1. thank you douglas.

the op is so revolting and dishonest and such a contemptible smear, I didn't even want to respond to it directly.

[Jamaal510]

58. This is why I have more contempt for libertarians

than average Republicans. Like a previous poster mentioned, they want to pretend to be progressive on social issues when they're not, just to get enough liberals to support them. Funny thing is they are nowhere to be seen on issues regarding gay rights, voting rights, women's rights, or rights for poor people, as if none of those issues relate to anyone's freedoms.

I have long suspected the existence of RW libertarian despair trolls on DU, and now this confirms it. It's a shame that their ideology is so unappealing that they have to come here and manufacture crises, just to try and fracture our side instead of selling their guy and their own ideas to the public. Luckily, most Democrats and liberals in general already understand that Obama has been superior to Bush ll in terms of foreign policy (drawing down both wars and keeping the country safer from terrorist attacks), and is doing his best with domestic issues in spite of GOP Congressional opposition.

[whatchamacallit]

64. I'm kinda blown away you're being allowed to spam DU with this nonsense

What, is this like version 5 or 6 of the exact same post?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

66. Thanks for the insight into the sites you frequent.

[Amonester]

68. We're gonna end up stuck with pRe$ident oRangeman.

How the repukes win: divide and conqueR

[flamingdem]

72. bump

bump Ron / Rand Paul supporter off this site

Go make your own forum

[graham4anything]

84. +1

[OregonBlue]

78. If you're a Paul supporter, you are not a Democrat. He isn't even a true libertarian, there are lots

of issues on which he wants to limit our rights. Paul is a fake and a phony and has no business being supported by Dems.

[L0oniX]

87. Oh NOES ...another massive link meister.

Linked to death ...like I got all damned day to read through every fucking link.

[Scurrilous]

88. LOL

Whenever I see someone on this site point to the number of recs a thread has as validation for their point of view, I wonder how many of those recs are coming from the Freeper and Paulbot trolls that infest this place.

"Obama branded a war criminal in the Irish Parliament!"

They eat that @#$% up w/ a spoon.

[liberal_at_heart]

89. third way democrats try to brainwash democrats too. That's okay. We liberals can think for ourselves

We don't need libertarians or third way democrats to tell us what to think.

[Number23]

92. K&R For this OP and for LostOne4Ever's excellent post within it

[Sarah Ibarruri]

101. Interesting. Given that Libertarians are right wingers who are less hypocritical only about sex...

I'm afraid I have less than 0 respect for anything they say. I hope others aren't easily deluded.