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Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:28 PM

Edward Snowden jumps the shark in Moscow - Jonathan Capehart

** Wonder what Ellsberg will say about this request by Snowden. I'd guess his primary advisor is Julian Assange

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/07/01/edward-snowden-jumps-the-shark-in-moscow/

Last month, I pleaded for an end to the breathless comparisons between Edward Snowden and Daniel Ellsberg. News that the present-day intelligence leaker has asked the Russians for asylum should put it to rest. Sure, Snowden made the same request of other nations. But flirting with Moscow is a credibility killer.

I’m all for whistleblowers revealing what government is doing, especially if it stretches the bounds of legality or if it’s flat-out illegal. What we know of what Snowden has released of interest to the American public has been known for a while. But what has stuck in my craw from the outset was Snowden fleeing the country.

Snowden earned side eyes from me with his decision to hightail it to Hong Kong (read, China). Then he bolted for Moscow. For a man trying to win public opinion against what he called the vast and illegal overreach of the National Security Agency, heading to Russia wasn’t exactly a smart P.R. move. That nation and Russian President Vladimir Putin aren’t exactly this nation’s best friend. Heck, they barely rise to the level of “frenemy.”

Just in his comments today, Putin said of Snowden, “If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: He has to stop his work aimed at damaging our U.S. partners, no matter how strange this sounds coming from me.” But when it came to President Obama’s entreaties that Snowden be extradited, Putin said, “Russia never extradites anyone anywhere and is not going to extradite anyone.” Great.

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Reply Edward Snowden jumps the shark in Moscow - Jonathan Capehart (Original post)
flamingdem Jul 2013 OP
Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #1
flamingdem Jul 2013 #2
Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #3
flamingdem Jul 2013 #4
CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #6
pnwmom Jul 2013 #17
Cha Jul 2013 #20
sheshe2 Jul 2013 #24
Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #23
Cha Jul 2013 #22
Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #25
sgtbenobo Jul 2013 #5
Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #12
Hekate Jul 2013 #13
randome Jul 2013 #7
flamingdem Jul 2013 #8
Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #9
kentuck Jul 2013 #10
treestar Jul 2013 #11
Hekate Jul 2013 #15
flamingdem Jul 2013 #18
usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #14
NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #16
flamingdem Jul 2013 #19
NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #41
randome Jul 2013 #29
NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #37
baldguy Jul 2013 #26
usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #28
baldguy Jul 2013 #30
usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #31
baldguy Jul 2013 #32
usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #33
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baldguy Jul 2013 #34
usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #35
flamingdem Jul 2013 #36
JaneyVee Jul 2013 #21
flamingdem Jul 2013 #27
alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #38
Number23 Jul 2013 #39
flamingdem Jul 2013 #40

Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:39 PM

1. He ran out of options. This article is a bunch of baloney. nt

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:40 PM

2. You mean he's desperate? That's what I was concluding

Assange has no more answer for him.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:44 PM

4. I doubt that Western Europe is interested

but I agree the drama is not over.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:47 PM

6. 'Should' get asylum doesn't mean that it's going to happen.

He has negated whatever credibility he had by claiming to steal secrets for the sake of freedom and peddling them to places where they will do damage.

When Russia basically says 'you can stay as long as you stop leaking information', even they don't trust him.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:29 PM

17. They want him to stop leaking to the world -- because they want the advantage

of being the only ones who've seen it all.

Except for maybe China.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:35 PM

20. No, it's not over yet.. how much more is he gonig to snitch? nm

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Response to Cha (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:57 PM

24. He'll squeal like a stuck piggie!

Eddie sure snowed everybody didn't he!

Cha

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:56 PM

23. Probably

it says something when someone bucks the system and is left with nowhere to go. It sends a message to other people who want to expose wrongdoing by their govt.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:44 PM

22. Ha, you can't stand the facts in the article. Denying Snowden's in Russia

asking for asylum, are ya?

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Response to Cha (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:58 PM

25. Can you point me to where I said anything of the sort? nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:47 PM

5. Jonathan Capehart seems to be a little mixed up on terms

Jumping the shark is an catch phrase that implies that a notion or product is becoming hence. I believe our USA media machine would love this to go away. It won't. This is just the beginning. We haven't even started. Just wait until everyone of whom we've spied on gets on the same page. Then the show will really begin.

Carry on.

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Response to sgtbenobo (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:11 PM

12. Wherever he winds up, I bet they make sure he has no computer access. He's a hacker, and they.....

don't want their secrets known. His every move will be orchestrated, and he'll be cut off from the "http://.

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Response to sgtbenobo (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:12 PM

13. "Becoming hence"? What does that even mean? Also, the "media machine" and bloggers are having...

... the time of their lives. Nobody in those spheres wants it to go away, although I'm sure the government does.

I'm trying to understand your post. "We haven't even started." "Then the show will really begin." Who is WE, exactly? What sort of "show" are you hoping for?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:50 PM

7. "I am not here to hide from justice."

This is galactic level irony.



I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.


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Response to randome (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:02 PM

8. It looks like an error Snowden made to ask Russia for asylum

It gives Putin an excuse to wait and see what his best deal can be. And Snowden may end up stuck there. Assange is probably pumping the idea of idealistic countries running to his rescue to lighten the doom vibe at the pod hotel.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:08 PM

9. "But flirting with Moscow is a credibility killer". As usual, I agree with JC.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:08 PM

10. He went to Russia because..?

He felt safe in Hong Kong? The US was not on his trail? Our government wanted to capture him and punish him. Why didn't he just turn himself in and take his medicine? Is that the question?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:10 PM

11. Maybe they don't have to extradite him but they could deport him

They have not even given him permission to visit the country. He's in the transit area because they haven't admitted him.

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Response to treestar (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:14 PM

15. Snowden's life has taken a Kafkaesque turn from the weird to the VERY weird

Living in an airport in Moscow... wow

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Response to treestar (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:31 PM

18. Yes, because Putin is playing word games and the USA has sent

1,700 people back to Russia mostly for criminal warrants.

So his claims are about wordage I could see deportation due to lack of documents perhaps.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:12 PM

14. Another quisling for the totalitarians

 

yawn...

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Response to usGovOwesUs3Trillion (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:20 PM

16. He's another flack for the administration.

Did you notice he said Snowden's no Ellsberg but won't quote Ellsberg opinion of Snowden? I'm glad this has come out b/c it really shows who's an unprincipled phony on MSNBC and on this site.

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:32 PM

19. If you find a comment by Ellsberg about the Russian aslyum request

please post it.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:45 PM

41. Ellsberg supports Snowden (this is after he went to Moscow)



Go to the 4:54 mark.

He also thinks Snowden was correct to NOT go the NSA IG or Congress. He said it was wise to release information outside of the the country.

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:07 PM

29. Ellsberg had documentation, the Pentagon papers themselves. Snowden has...

...PowerPoint slides!

There is no comparison between the two.



I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.


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Response to randome (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:24 PM

37. Are you serious? A presentation generated by the NSA isn't legitimate?

[link:|

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Response to usGovOwesUs3Trillion (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:02 PM

26. Godwin is laughing his ass off at you.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:04 PM

28. That'd be you

 

Since you obviously don't know it.

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Response to usGovOwesUs3Trillion (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:08 PM

30. Do you even know who Godwin is? Do you even know who Quisling is?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:15 PM

31. Another collaborator

 

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Response to usGovOwesUs3Trillion (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:19 PM

32. You really have no clue who Godwin is, do you.



Why does this not surprise me?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #32)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:27 PM

33. That'd be you

 

No reference to nazis or hitler, just a common reference for a COLLABORATOR, look it up, and stop trying to distract.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:20 PM

35. too funny

 

Now, tell DUers something they don't know

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Response to baldguy (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 09:37 PM

36. Thanks for the educational moment

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:35 PM

21. Here we go, Jonathan Capeheart under the bus.

Boo!

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:04 PM

27. The authoritarians are revealing themselves

As bad or worse than Putin!


"I vill drain your laptops, you know dat nyet Mr. Snowdenk"



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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:28 PM

38. Not to worry...the WikiLeaks Attorneys will solve this matter presently

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:41 PM

39. I personally don't believe the Russians want anything to do with him

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

And for Snowden to "fear for his life" from the US and then seek asylum from the Russians is the utter height of hypocrisy and ignorance. There are few countries as well known for knowing how to silence dissent and opposition better than the Russians. With damn good reason.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:43 PM

40. Desperation makes for strange bedfellows

Oh to be a fly on the wall when Assange gets on the speaker phone with Sarah Hastings and Snowden and umm half the Kremlin via wiretapping. They're probably throwing out many obscure country names, Tonga maybe?

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