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Local man found not guilty in chalk vandalism caseJeffrey Olson not guilty of all 13 charges
SAN DIEGO - A 40-year-old man was acquitted Monday of 13 misdemeanor vandalism charges that stemmed from protest messages written in chalk in front of three Bank of America branches in San Diego.
Jeffrey David Olson's attorney argued during the trial -- which garnered national attention -- that his client was engaging in a legal protest and was not maliciously defacing of property.
Olson could have faced up to 13 years behind bars if convicted of all counts. Jurors began deliberating Friday.
The rest: http://www.10news.com/news/verdict-in-san-diego-chalk-vandalism-case-070113
I know an incredible amount of very terrible things have been happening...but I swear to God, if this guy had wound up in jail for chalking up a sidewalk, I might have started firebombing.
So shines a good deed in a weary world.
On Edit: P.S. "I might have started firebombing" was pretty straight-up hyperbole. Some of you people really need to get outside more often.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)you'd go out of your comfort zone far enough to become an incendiary like the anarcho-syndicalists of yore?
seriesly?
if you did, i would fight by your side.
now can we get another few million of us?
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)for Highest Number Of Buzz Words In One Sentence.
Seriesly.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)you still didn't answer the question.
would you go out of your comfort zone far enough to throw bombs for a cause?
don't say shit like that unless you can back it up.
what's the longest time you've spent locked up?
they used to execute guys who threw bombs (cf. early uhhhmerican labor movement).
many men sacrificed all so we can sit in comfort. you besmirch their legacy by throwing revolutionary zeal around like so much glitter.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)that isn't hyperbole.
in fact, it can be construed as a terroristic threat.
what if someone said: "I might have started shooting." or "I might have started leaving backpack bombs in public places." get the drift?
hyperbole?
huh?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)OMG OMG OMG
ETA, "I might...." could be a threat but "I might have" hyperbole is a threat? OMG OM GOM GOMG OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)i'd be one of the people yelling "JUMP! JUMP!"
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)MiddleFingerMom
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uppityperson
(115,677 posts)obama2terms
(563 posts)No just no...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...to see someone here admit that there is a point past which they will not be pushed without at least considering taking direct physical action. If the PTB don't think that such a tipping point exists, then they have no reason to allow the democratic system to produce meaningful change before that point is reached. Voting drives, protests, and so forth only work because the PTB realize that if they don't let them work (sometimes...preferably on things that don't matter much), then they might well find themselves standing in front of a bullet-pocked wall with a blindfold on.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)We should all remember the William Tell story in which William Tell answered a question about why he had taken two bolts for his crossbow and was then imprisoned for giving a truthful answer.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....and yer chainsaw?
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)for taking action (long time ago), so it kinda irritates me when people talk shit but don't follow through.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)a hypothetical, so i responded in kind.
if you are indeed suicidal, you need to involve the nearest grown up available to help you dial this number:
Need help? In the U.S., call 1-800-273-8255
National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Or was it on speed dial?
MiddleFingerMom
(25,163 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Is that better, or worse?
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don't really care.
MiddleFingerMom
(25,163 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)I'm gonna fucking Nuke the world!
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)n00b
Hulk
(6,699 posts)..but guess that is "OK" now, as long as you have a talk radio show or a "fair and balanced" tv network.
Lots of things change with the times. Some don't.
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AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)The judge is up for re-election next year. Just a few days ago, he barred Olson from referring to freedom of speech both in the courtroom and outside.
frylock
(34,825 posts)dogknob
(2,431 posts)Frightened little boys watching in horror as the rest of us reject their system.
I wonder when they will want their mommy bad enough to stop legally fucking with women.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)didn't try anything foolish to throw out the jury verdict. I guess that's not possible, but nothing would surprise me any more.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,046 posts)needs a lot more cleaning than the sidewalk.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)He wasted the people's resources. And he got the friendliest judge in the whole local Superior Court bench.
Olson's lawyer (due to another case the paper is following) is impressive. Tom Tosdal just is.
This is prelims for the mayoral race of 2016. The local republican establishment is not happy. They are losing control. (Though you should ask, we had a collective head scratching moment) why they kept Kevarick as party chair. He is a walking disaster at multiple levels.
Context not in the paper
petronius
(26,597 posts)okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)these prosecutions-as-campaigning to continue. We must make sure they are shown for the money wasting, greedy political ladder climbers they are.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)to do to a citizen.
This is a classic abuse of power case.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)pamela
(3,469 posts)I'm not being a smart-ass. I just thought when I heard "chalk" that it was pretty much a given that it wasn't permanent. What a dumb-ass thing to prosecute.
lpbk2713
(42,736 posts)... for wasting time and resources on something so trivial and frankly so glaringly stupid to persue.
Yeah. Like that's gonna happen.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)not to mention denying this man his free speech. This judge violated the constitution.
lpbk2713
(42,736 posts)BoA's one percenter mindset could have Mr Olson living on Easy Street real soon.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)the judge is a bought and paid for BOA scumbag.
Yay justice
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Un-fucking-believable.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Melinda
(5,465 posts)Its $4.1 billion tax break came on the heels of the banks taxpayer-funded bailout, immunity from prosecution for its criminal employees, and a cushy government settlement for its foreclosure fraud.
Now David Dayen reports that the bank has apparently continued to defraud customers in violation of its government settlement. Whistleblowers have stated in affidavits that they were told to lie to customers, continued to deceive homeowners before foreclosing on them, and flipped customers to new servicing companies to invalidate previous homeowner agreements.
http://thecontributor.com/13-mindblowing-facts-about-america%E2%80%99s-tax-dodging-corporations
So, when does BofA's trial begin?
Go back to sleep, 'Merica - nothing to see here.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)when you do crimes that large it's called a business.
Dr. Strange
(25,916 posts)Band of America is working its ass off trying to help the poor and middle class, and now they have to contend with people writing in chalk on the sidewalks? Right in front of their bank? Not cool!
Naw, just kidding. Fuck you BoA!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The prosecution of Olson brought condemnation of the City Attorney's Office from Mayor Bob Filner, who called it a waste of time.
You have a nice day too, Bank of America.
K&R
frylock
(34,825 posts)I hope he continues to be a thorn in his side.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)Chalk one up for the People-- at least we have the right to mock using water soluble art supplies.
G_j
(40,366 posts)requesting a Jury trial ain't such a bad idea, even though your lawyer may hate the idea.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)He's the City Attorney who is a Complete Tool of the Rightwing in San Diego - Doug Manchester who owns the Uniont Tribune, The Lincoln Club who is our local ALEC, and the Corporate Reugs who still think they own San Diego...even tho we recently elected Bob Filner, (probably the most certifiably progressive Democrat in the Country) as mayor.
This Judge also needs to be voted out. Not only did he deny this defendant a "free speech" defense, which is what the whole case was about and impose a gag order on anyone discussing the case...including our Mayor. He also teamed up with our hyper rightwing local DA Bonnie Dumanis to prosecute medical marijuana ...he kept calling it "dope" in court and denying the defendant use of our legal marijuana laws as defense. Typical Republican judicial scrambling just like Roberts on the VRA - if it's about (free speech, equal right to vote, etc) just deny the essential right or fact as a defense and move on with the decision.
Our new mayor, Bob Filner, is in daily struggle against the entrenched rightwing in San Diego, Goldsmith has tried to obstruct Filner at every turn, playing the usual Repug "victim" while defending the deep wealthy and corporate interests. Filner had referred to this "chalking" trial as a waste of taxpayer money and denial of free speech. Yet Friday the rightwing local news(ABC especially) were treating Filner as tho he were the wingnut not Goldsmith or this judge.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)FreeState
(10,570 posts)stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)Filner just seems to be out there without a shield from the daily (main) media (Manchesters newspaper U-T & NCTIMES) and Tv affiliates.
Even the SD Dem Party is oddly quiet against the constant barrage Filner faces from the Repubs.
I'm checking ABC, NBC & CBS local reports tonight on this case...then complaining to each if they continue to feature this story in the pro BofA & Goldsmith bias they've shown so far.
Filner won the election; SD is now a Democratic city and County. Manchester, VOSD, and all the Tv stations should start respecting the voters.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)SunSeeker
(51,512 posts)I think if he had used spray paint on the sidewalks, like what your picture appears to show, the jury would have found vandalism.
Javaman
(62,503 posts)sorry, couldn't resist.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)I'll bet that was 12-0, not guilty; it's lunchtime.
" Deputy DA) Hazard said Olson had to make "a real nuisance of himself" to attract the attention of law enforcement."
I think that statement should actually apply to the security dude from BoA who repeatedly pressured the DA's office to bring charges.
Renew Deal
(81,846 posts)3 die when Greek protesters set fire to bank
Three people were reported killed Wednesday after protesters set fire to a bank building in central Athens as workers across Greece went on strike to protest tough austerity measures aimed at staving off economic collapse.
Tear gas billowed across the central Sintagma Square in front of Parliament as demonstrators trying to storm the Parliament building hurled rocks and gasoline bombs. Police responded with tear gas canisters that spread a choking pall of smoke.
Tens of thousands of people had converged on the city center as part of a general strike that paralyzed flights, ferries, schools and hospitals.
At one point, Reuters reported, protesters set fire to a building and a witness saw firefighters evacuate at least four people. "There are probably people trapped in the building," fire officials said in a statement before the news emerged that people trapped in the building had died. The police blamed what were called "hooded youths" for setting fire to the building.
The Greek fire brigade reported that three people died in the building, according to the Associated Press.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/may/06/greece-crisis-protest-killed
One of the female workers was pregnant.
ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I second that emotion.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Those working against our interests.
marmar
(77,053 posts)ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)The Mayor himself declared the trial a waste of taxpayer's money and prosecutorial power. A unanimous jury verdict after such a short deliberation lends credence to those statements and a reasonable person might question what the prosecutor's motivations were to spend the taxpayer's money on such a needless case.
PB
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)and try to get sat. If you were on trial, wouldn't you want to have a you on the jury?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)good, freedom-loving people who don't want massive surveillance or overly zealous police reactions to the expression of frustration or discontent.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)While I agree that if this man was convicted it would be a tragedy, offering to start firebombing is way over the top! You do no one any favors here on DU by advocating violence of any kind. You certainly do yourself no favors by advocating violence.
There are hundreds of ways to fight injustices like this without resorting to violence.
Cheers!
tclambert
(11,084 posts)That chalk, it can take several seconds to clean up.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)He won, and I share the relief, but he paid.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)because participating in DU anymore is like attending Ms. Maples school of fine etiquette. You dare not write or express anything that the prima donnas around here don't like. If you do your post is removed.
So much for free speech and the right to express yourself. I have seen the most ridiculous censures for things that are written in jest or hyperbole but the Nazi police are out in force.
I have to seriously question whether DU will survive another year. I have stopped financing the Nazi censorship of people's posts. I think I will likely mosey on over somewhere else.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)kids don't stand a chance in San Diego. Who's brilliant idea was to prosecute.
ms liberty
(8,558 posts)reusrename
(1,716 posts)That's the important question, and it's the part most have difficulty with.
The jury?
The cops?
The lawyers?
The politicians?
The corporations?
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)reusrename
(1,716 posts)The judge in the case gagged him.
http://rt.com/usa/chalk-olson-diego-san-404/
bluedigger
(17,085 posts)Now the banks are going to have to fire the judge and DA. Somebody will have to be foreclosed on to pay for all this, you know.
indepat
(20,899 posts)punishment criteria.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)in the jury.
Viva la Revolucion!
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)But the Banksters that crashed our economy got Golden Parachutes and a promise not to prosecute.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)tclambert
(11,084 posts)Or at least Republican Senators will fantasize about it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I do doubt the wisdom of the prosecutors who pursued it.
Not surprising but good news.
Shame on the DA.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Fuck BofA. Move your money into a credit union.