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Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:42 AM

It's nothing less than the makings of a coup by the GOP

To wrest power, in spite of any democratic decision otherwise.

The slashing of the Voting Rights Act, along with voter suppression laws and massively uninhibited gerrymandering seeks to do one thing; make the votes of people who normally support Republicans worth twice more than those who normally support Democrats.

The main population centers of the country mostly do not support the Republican party, Blue America, whereas Red America mostly make up the space in between. Those huge swaths of red have not been lost on Republicans, who in spite of the Electoral College, believe that they can use all of that red space to their advantage.

The US House of Representatives is a perfect example of their efforts to prevent Democrats from being elected as the majority party. Make NO mistake about it, Democrats are the majority party in this country. The GOP House majority is an unnatural occurrence, due to the gerrymandering, while in the Senate, where most states vote for their members by a purely popular vote process, it more accurately depicts the preferences of each state electorate.

The next stage that the GOP will attempt in order to regain the White House and take over the Senate will be to constrict the value of votes in traditionally blue areas. Section Five of the VRA was instrumental in stopping the Right in those states from suppressing traditional left leaning voters. It was essential in facilitating the natural process of a declining majority white demographic trend and inhibiting efforts by the right power structure in those effected states to remain unchallenged now and in the future.

After voter suppression, a massive effort to isolate blue areas through redistricting will commence.

Major population areas are, by definition, multi-cultural in nature and naturally more likely to become more tolerant and egalitarian. They are naturally blue. This kind of thing is the bane of a non-inclusive and intolerant Red America.

Since Blue America has the people, I suggest that Blue should start invading Red to create a more Purple America. An America that more accurately reflects the nation's overall political preferences. Some of that movement need not be too radical at all, simply by moving from safe blue districts to marginally affected red districts. The result would create more purple ones.

There will be a process of isolation against Blue America facilitated by the Far Right, the GOP and the corporate allies who stand to gain from voter suppression.

Only True Democracy can defeat their efforts.



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Reply It's nothing less than the makings of a coup by the GOP (Original post)
MrScorpio Jun 2013 OP
DCBob Jun 2013 #1
Demit Jun 2013 #5
DCBob Jun 2013 #7
Demit Jun 2013 #10
DCBob Jun 2013 #11
mountain grammy Jun 2013 #34
flamingdem Jun 2013 #45
siligut Jun 2013 #49
liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #33
Demit Jun 2013 #51
Doctor_J Jun 2013 #8
DCBob Jun 2013 #9
Doctor_J Jun 2013 #54
DCBob Jun 2013 #58
Enthusiast Jun 2013 #84
DCBob Jun 2013 #85
Enthusiast Jun 2013 #87
DCBob Jun 2013 #89
Enthusiast Jun 2013 #91
DCBob Jun 2013 #92
sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #95
Enthusiast Jun 2013 #96
mimi85 Jun 2013 #22
Politicub Jun 2013 #60
Doctor_J Jun 2013 #66
DevonRex Jun 2013 #63
Doctor_J Jun 2013 #67
Politicub Jun 2013 #69
DCBob Jun 2013 #94
nineteen50 Jun 2013 #20
Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #76
Scuba Jun 2013 #2
winterpark Jun 2013 #14
siligut Jun 2013 #50
cantbeserious Jun 2013 #3
Triana Jun 2013 #4
MrScorpio Jun 2013 #6
chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #13
MrScorpio Jun 2013 #16
mountain grammy Jun 2013 #31
flamingdem Jun 2013 #46
LisaLynne Jun 2013 #12
Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #15
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Enthusiast Jun 2013 #86
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Moostache Jun 2013 #18
heaven05 Jun 2013 #26
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Doctor_J Jun 2013 #55
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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:48 AM

1. This is what we as citizens should be most worried about.

But unfortunately many of us are too busy bashing Obama about listening to phone calls.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:06 AM

5. Many of us acknowledge that there is more than one problem at any given time.

It's not a zero-sum thing, where if you are worrying about one thing you can't worry about another. There's also the coming water wars, and climate change effects in general, and permanent unemployment for whole swathes of our population; there's GMOs, and bee colony collapse disorder that will threaten our food supply, and global banking, and the power of transnational corporations, and the stranglehold that corporations have over our politicians of *both* parties.

I don't know how to rank those things in order of importance. God bless you that you can.

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Response to Demit (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:15 AM

7. Thwarting a GOP coup is highest priority..

because all the other items on your list will be lost causes if that happens.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:43 AM

10. Uh, okay, sure.

I don't use little rolling-on-the-floor-laughing emoticons, but this would be a good time for one.

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Response to Demit (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:45 AM

11. and...

I would use a shrug shoulders I don't get it thingy.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:57 AM

34. America will be a lost cause with a GOP coup..

We're halfway there with a corrupt GOP supreme court and a GOP house majority.
When the GOP has power, their focus is looking for new and better ways to obstruct progress and maintain power. When Dems have power they actually try to govern.
The GOP considers "governing" restricting abortion, equal rights, voting rights, freedom from religion, and perpetual war. Anything to keep them in power.
The GOP is winning this fight and that is very scary indeed.
I've finally convinced my husband to put half our life savings in a Canadian bank as we find fewer reasons to trust our own country, and believe me, it has nothing to do with taxes.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:39 AM

45. Absolutely agree DCBob

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Response to DCBob (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:42 AM

49. GOTV is something most of us can do

I agree, most people have little influence outside of their own lives, we depend upon our elected officials for any influence greater than that.

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Response to Demit (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:53 AM

33. Really, It's One Problem

Corporations pay our government agents, politicians, to do things they want. If you'll trace all those things you mentioned Demit, you'll find corporate power is to blame, over human concerns.

Thanks to the SC for that--or accelerating what was already in place, with Citizen's United, as if it wasn't bad enough already.

As to the coup, yea--they're breaking everything. I just hope the results, the chaos that ensues, runs uphill, back to those who're doing the breaking. It's always nice when troubles find their way back to those who created them.

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Response to liberalmike27 (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:04 PM

51. That's pretty much what I think, liberalmike. We are living in a corporatocracy cum oligarchy.

I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, but we wouldn't have come to this pass if our elected Dems were the Democrats they used to be. If they fought for what they used to fight for. The Democratic Party has changed—Third Way, anyone?—and if they aren't actively colluding with the GOP they are rolling over to it. They didn't put up any fight in 2000, when the real coup happened. They didn't put up any fight in 2004 against the shenanigans in Ohio. They didn't support the winner of the CT Democratic primary, Ned Lamont, in 2008, practically inviting Joe Lieberman to return to the Senate as an Independent. You think Joe Lieberman was the kind of Democrat we needed to avoid a GOP coup? You think the kind of Republican-Lite Democrats Rahm Emanuel supported were?

I think our elected officials, along with their corporate sponsors & facilitators, are one big exclusive club, and we ain't in it.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:33 AM

8. And many of us realize that Obama is in a position to lead the resistance

but he is too busy "reaching out" and listening to phone calls.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:35 AM

9. Actually he is more busy trying to fend off the lunatics making false claims.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:59 PM

54. This is such bizarre thinking

After 9/11, the Repukes told us than basically Bush was off limits from criticism because he was "fighting the war on terror". Now the BOGers are telling us that because SCOTUS has run amok, Obama is off limits from criticism because all of his energy is being devoted to fighting Scalia. Here's a clue: Proposing cuts to SS benefits does not help the fight against the right. Supporting legislation that Boner likes more than Grayson & Sanders do does not help fight the right. All those kinds of disasters do is disengage a lot of undecided/neutral voters who would help get Fat Tony and Slappy under control if they thought they were being listened to.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #54)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:24 PM

58. Do you not understand the concept of priorities??

Criticism is not "off-limits". Just keep focus on what's most important.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #58)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:02 AM

84. Focus? What is important.....

You didn't mention "entitlements". Proposing chained CPI could be devastating to the Democratic Party. This is a very important issue for millions of Americans. President Obama's position on social security is the same as Mittens? Whoa!

Why would a president go out of his way to alienate millions of voters unnecessarily? Just a tad curious, in an extending the Bush tax cuts way. I can't think of a more effective way to undermine support for Democratic candidates.

Voter enthusiasm should be a major consideration. If many Democrats are disappointed in the NSA thing just imagine the sentiments of millions of swing voters.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #84)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:13 AM

85. I think there are a valid reasons for all the positions you mention.

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Many, on all sides" realize "entitlements" will have to be modified somehow. CPI is just one idea being discussed. The tax cuts were about saving the economy... and sure, many fear what NSA is doing, but the admin feels its necessary for security.

BTW, "voter enthusiasm" wont matter if we cant vote. The GOP master plan is to keep restricting voter rights to block as many Democrat leaning voters as possible. That is the biggest threat and that is what we need to focus on.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #85)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:26 AM

87. No, CPI wasn't just something being discussed.

Chained CPI was part of the President's budget proposal. It is now an anchor around the neck of the Democratic Party and it was completely unnecessary.

Social security is the single program that is best funded in the entire government. Social security has a dedicated funding mechanism that is in surplus. Name another program as well funded. Funny how the military has no such dedicated funding mechanism yet it never runs out of money (to squander).

"BTW, "voter enthusiasm" wont matter if we cant vote." Not arguing that, it goes without saying.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #87)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:38 AM

89. I suspect a final grand deal on entitlement reform wont happen anytime soon.

This congress simply wont compromise. I suspect they will keep "kicking the can" until the makeup of congress changes significantly.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #89)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:46 AM

91. That might well be.

But the damage is done.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #91)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:49 AM

92. I dont think so. I suspect the final deal will be much different from what is being discussed now.

It could be better it could be much worse.. depending on the makeup of the congress and who's in the WH.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #85)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 12:39 PM

95. Why?

"Many, on all sides 'realize 'entitlements' will have to be modified..." What needs to be modified, stopped dead in its tracks and then reversed, is the massive redistribution of the nation's wealth into the hands of an insanely greedy and corrupt elite. That's the problem, not social spending on earned benefits and programs for the poor.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:22 AM

22. How clever of you!

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:37 PM

60. Are you ok in the noggin?

Obama isn't sitting around listening to people's calls.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #60)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:25 PM

66. I am pretty sure you posted this in the wrong thread

please re-post it where it actually tracks the discussion at hand

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:58 PM

63. You can't get off your ass unless the President tells you to?

And, by the way, have you just stuck you fingers in your ears all the times he DID tell you to get off your ass and make Congress do what YOU want them to?

So, what exactly does LEAD mean? March across a bridge in Selma? Challenge Roberts and Scalia and Kennedy to duels? What? He HAS given us a national organization, OFA, to work with. So use it. Or just type complaints about HIM 24/7. But if all you do is the last one, I call bullshit loud and clear.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #63)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:33 PM

67. Tell Holder to start throwing vote suppressionists in prison

Send the national guard to make sure legal voters can vote. Issue an EO implementing background checks for guns, which at least 3/4 of Americans suport. Obamacare is now the law of the land. When these teabaggers break it, prosecute them.

This is the strangest train of discussion ever.

BOGers: The president can't do anything about anything. And BTW stop complaining about SS cuts and domestic spying. You can't do that AND fight the right at the same time.

It's gotten to resemble a mental illness. Look at the first reply to Mr. Scorpio's OP. "We can't fight the right because too many people are complaining about being spied on"



The BOGers are so busy defending domestic spying that they join sides with the teabaggers to try to suppress sane voices on the president's republican initiatives.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #67)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:12 PM

69. You are out of line linking BOG with Teabaggers

If that is what you truly believe, then you are delusional and unable to carry on a cogent conversation.

And what's up with the chip on your shoulder about the president?

Must be dark in your world if you are unable to acknowledge any of the good that has come from the Obama administration. As an example of leadership, Obama's championing of gay rights has been strategic and effective. And there are many more examples, which I believe you fully know about but choose to be constantly negative. Say something constructive for a change.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #67)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 07:18 AM

94. What mindless hyperbole.

Your suggestions are absurd and your insults are worse.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:21 AM

20. Yes

add the complete and accepted spying on Americans to the orchestrated GOP take over.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:54 PM

76. Good point DC

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:53 AM

2. Great post, Scorpio, thanks.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:00 AM

14. It is unfortunately an accurate asessment of the political will of the republicans however

Blue state people invading red states will not happen. The economies in Red states (mine included) are not strong enough to lure high to mid income Blue staters. I agree with the premise tho

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Response to winterpark (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:57 AM

50. The surveillance state is a common enemy

Which is why the media focus is on the people as opposed to the issue. Because if the people wake-up to what is happening, they will react. Snowden knows this and that is why he went to Greenwald, a journalist, in order to inform the world. We don't have to physically move, but we do need to outline a plan, so together we can retain our constitutional rights. RWers are all about their constitutional rights. And there is nothing better than a common enemy to unite people.

As of now, the Internet is our best tool, soon however, it may not be.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:00 AM

3. The Oligarchs Own The Courts And Politicians And Control The System For Their Benefit

eom

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:05 AM

4. Add Citizens United to that mix too.

It was meant to doom politically and democratically and to silence the voices and eliminate any recourse of / by anyone not a large bank, insurance co. or corporation, or anyone not extremely wealthy.

And people on the Right are HAPPY with this state of things.

How stupid can they be?

Don't answer that, I can see.

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Response to Triana (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:08 AM

6. Thanks for bringing up Citizens United

It's key part of the mix

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:58 AM

13. And they are buying up all the judges - and justice for the 99%.

Ever see the excellent documentary, "Hot Coffee"? Pegged on the case of the woman who spilled scalding McDonald's coffee in her lap - it offers numerous examples of how our legal system is being hi-jacked to favor corporations. It's terrifying.

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Many people recall the infamous 1994 episode in which an elderly woman named Stella Liebeck spilled a cup of scalding hot McDonald's coffee in her lap, resulting in major burns and a lawsuit against the restaurant chain that earned her nearly $2.6 million in damages (many fewer remember that the amount was very substantially reduced in a subsequent judgment). Filmmaker Susan Saladoff obviously remembers--the incident provided the title for and is featured prominently in Hot Coffee, her documentary about the nature of civil suits. But Saladoff, who is herself a lawyer, has an unexpected take on the matter. The Liebeck case, the film suggests, was in fact a public relations coup for McDonald's, who helped turn it into Exhibit A in the campaign to limit so-called "frivolous" lawsuits, also known as "tort reform."

But while those who advocated tort reform contended that it would be good for everyone, including taxpayers, the principal beneficiary was big business (President George W. Bush's crusade to limit medical malpractice suits is represented here as a gift to giant insurance companies), while genuine victims, including Liebeck, were denied justice (when several man-on-the-street interviewees are shown graphic photos of her severe injuries, they quickly change their tunes about the frivolity of her suit).

Other serious charges are leveled in the course of the film, which argues that caps on the amount of damages awarded by juries in civil suits have been disastrous for deserving plaintiffs; that the big business-loving U.S. Chamber of Commerce has helped defeat any number of state supreme court justices whose rulings have favored plaintiffs over corporate defendants; and that the insistence by many companies that employees sign contracts forbidding them to sue their employers, forcing them to instead submit to mandatory arbitration, has put their fates into the hands of people hired solely to protect the company's interests (the tale of one young woman who worked for Halliburton in Iraq is especially disturbing).

It's unlikely that Hot Coffee will be garnering many positive reviews on Fox News, as the film's point of view is decidedly pro-consumer/anti-corporation. Still, regardless of one's political leanings, it will be hard not to be shocked by what it says about our legal system. --Sam Graham

http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Coffee-Joan-Claybrook/dp/B00595W3MO/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1372423938&sr=1-2&keywords=%22hot+Coffee%22

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Response to chimpymustgo (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:02 AM

16. I've seen it, it's an excellent documentary

It's scary to see how corporations are destroying the American democratic process of self-governance by crippling the torts process.

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Response to chimpymustgo (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:44 AM

31. I saw it a couple of years ago and recommend it to anyone babbling about "frivolous lawsuits"

I'm really starting to believe half of Americans are really stupid.. or to put it nicely, uniformed.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:41 AM

46. citizens united related: John Roberts Shows Cold-Blooded Calculation In His Supreme Court Rulings

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:48 AM

12. Great post, as usual.

Frightening and absolutely spot on.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:02 AM

15. The best resistance is resistance.

Most folks lean toward the takeover of the Democratic Party rather than the creation of a 3rd party.

We can list all the issues, repeals, proposals, etc. that we want. Fact is, there is NO PARTY providing an alternative appealing enough to the public to counter the GOPers, or even its Tea Party insurgence. How quickly the Tea Party gained big power WITHIN a minority party and wields great power. All the Koch money, all the ALEC lobbying, all the RW media cannot explain this. What does explain this situation is a hard reality: The Democratic Party has accepted the corporate state, and will brook no opposition as its "leadership" thinks it can beat the GOPers at its own game.

The Left is marginalized and ridiculed; hell, liberals are marginalized. When the TP can step in and casually steal the mantel of populism, you know where you stand. The RW has taken over because there is NO OPPOSITION.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:51 PM

75. Well it is said in religious circles that you can't serve two masters......

Or at least you can't serve two masters for very long. At some point one of the masters is going to ask something from you that is antithetical to the OTHER master and then you're going to have to choose. The Democrats got along for years saying they could be the party of the workers AND the party of the bourgeoisie, but when it came down to the choice, they chose the bourgeoisie over the workers.

It's really that simple.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:15 AM

86. Verboten!

You were not supposed to say that.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:07 AM

17. So the conundrum becomes.....

Your Democratic vote doesn't count near as much as the Republican vote, but the "only" way to change that is to vote? That sounds like the issue in a nutshell.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:13 AM

18. I encourage people to begin boycotting moneyed interests and their Right-leaning owners.

I refuse to eat at Papa John's so-called pizza or even allow Chick-fil-Hate into my home. The big-mouth, little-mind owners of those establishments make it easy for me to identify them and avoid patronizing their businesses. I move that the only way to REALLY get the attention of the oligarch class is to unite in protest in the language they understand and respect - profit margin.

If enough people take a stand and unite to boycott their economic interests due to their political malfeasance, then we can hit these bastards where they live and force them to change or perish. Yes, they have money and they use that money to buy portions of the system to further their agendas, but we can and must hit them where it really registers - their bank accounts and profit statements.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:33 AM

26. everytime

I see one of those Papa John delivery vehicles I curse, not the delivery person, I'm sure they need the job. Progressive People cannot forget their enemies and shouldn't buy their goods, if possible.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:30 AM

43. Meanwhile you eat food out of Koch Bros. plastic containers

& wipe your butt with their products.

Boycotting any number of egregiously stupid businesses will not bring down the empire. You'll just be buying from someone else who equally bad.

Personally, I think we will have to build an alternative system of co-ops & worker-owned industries, green farms & the like & starve the bastards on a major scale.

Get your loan through a credit union. Buy your food from a small farmer. Etc.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:21 PM

57. I do not completely disagree...

But, we have to start somewhere.

And although the image of the Koch brothers wiping my ass is amusing, I think change will come through consistent, prinicples stances by the public. Educating our fellow citizens, calling "bullshit" on the GOP and its bigoted denizens, and maintaining the fight is a good start if not a great ending (yet).

Gay rights was once a hopeless cause.
Slavery was once the intractable law of the land. Hell, we've even been down this road to facist government before with the runaway power of the trusts before Teddy Roosevelt.

I see the distance to run and know I won't make it to the promised land myself....but maybe my kids will, and if not them, then maybe someone else's kids will.

In the meantime, I just like making heads explode here in East Kansas by calling it "Chick-fil-Hate" and letting them get their church on and begin lecturing me while I smirk.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #57)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:19 PM

64. Ever hear of a bidet nozzle?

About 25 bucks and you keep personal washcloths for drying.

No more TP.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:20 PM

70. nearly impossible to boycott Koch

 

because most of what they sell is raw commodity

even if you bought products that were made with raw material usually from a non Koch supplier, that non Koch supplier still might have bought their material from Koch - those companies trade raw commodities back and forth all day among each other

sure, they've moved into a few (boycottable) consumer products like stainmaster carpet and brawney paper towels, but that' a tiny fraction of their overall business

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:13 AM

19. you mean, another coup attempt!

1) attempted coup by the GOP by impeaching Pres. Bill Clinton
2) successful coup by SCOTUS stopping the vote count and installing Geo. W. Bush
3) attempted coup by continuing birther charges against Pres. Obama

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Response to RicROC (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:21 AM

21. Welcome to DU!

Please enjoy your time here

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:30 AM

24. Do you disagree with what that poster said?

Sounds like snark. I agree with that post. 'Coup' is a constant with the GOP.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:32 AM

25. No, I was very sincere in welcoming him and I agree

If it had been snark, I would have asked him to enjoy his SHORT time here.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:13 PM

52. not snark

I agree with the original post- I was just embellishing the point. Sorry, it was not meant to sound like snark.

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Response to RicROC (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:34 AM

27. you're

on the money! Welcome.

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Response to RicROC (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:31 AM

88. Don't forget 2004.

Another stolen presidential election.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:30 AM

23. this

coup you speak of has been an ongoing continuous coup since 2000. American people like you are helping people to finally awaken from the Bush-Cheney nightmare, at least I hope they are waking up....I hope, forlorn as it seems sometimes.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:37 AM

28. The Senate is relatively liberal only by a fluke of history

Since every state has two senators, regardless of population, it's naturally weighed to favor small and relatively rural states -- which was the original intention.

The only thing that keeps the Senate from being overwhelmingly conservative today is that there are a bunch of low-population states on the East Coast which are geographically small, like Vermont and Delaware. They balance out the large but sparsely-settled states out West, like Wyoming and Montana.

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Response to starroute (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:39 AM

29. My point being is that the Senate is a reflection of how liberal the country is overall

Rather than what's going on in the House, with all of that redistricting and gerrymandering

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:56 PM

77. Compared to the House, maybe so...

but the Senate is VERY conservative if you put it up against the positions of the American people on ISSUES. The HOR is ridiculously conservative compared to American views on issues.

It's very close (if it's not already there) to being a situation where the majority of Americans don't HAVE any representation.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:39 AM

30. You missed ratfucking

Think of all the supposed scandals of the last few months. They are designed, by Republicans, to convince Democrats to stay home next November.

Even the Snowden thing is a ratfuck.

Ratfucking works hand in hand with gerrymandering. If you can't engineer a district to make it R-majority, demoralizing Democrats to the point where they stay home works too...just like it did in 1994 and 2010.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:45 AM

32. More The Reason...

...Democrats need to work hard next year to win as many state houses and governorships as possible. The attempts to suppress voting rights has been going on at the state level and now is being condoned by the Roberts court.

What we're seeing on the state level is the byproduct of two plus decades of right wing and fundie activism...building up a "farm system" on the local level that's led to them taking control of state legislatures and then pushing through these draconian "laws". They started at the very low levels...remember, Palin began on the local school board (as have many others) and were financially supported to bigger and better. This has been a calculated plan by the rushpublicans to subvert the power of the federal government and attempt to push their agendas locally. Except for Dr. Dean's 50-state strategy the Democratic party has done a poor job at countering this rising tide that truly is a threat to the rights of millions across this country...

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:57 AM

35. Excellent analysis but there's one major problem.

 

How do you suggest we "invade" the red areas? Who has the money or inclination to move out to Bumblefuck, Indiana when you have all the amenities you can ever want within walking distance in the cities?

It's true that they gerrymandered the living shit out of the country but whose fault is that? Quite frankly the national party has no one to blame but themselves for not taking the bull by the horns and rolling over the Republicans with the progressive legislation the people were begging for. We wanted major changes from the Reaganism that's been killing us for thirty plus years. From starting negotiations at a centrist point and then bending over backward to give the right wing every consideration, these corporate Kochsuckers did everything they could to prevent it from happening. Honestly, they looked scared to death to have all the power because people expected them to do something good with it and they are not interested in that at all. We were sold out a long time ago and the unwillingness of the 2009 congress proved it.

Other than a small handful of people we have no friends in Washington. None at all.

I hate to be doom and gloom but what you just described is going to happen and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it. That horse left the barn for good in November 1980.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:07 AM

37. You are doom and gloom, but you're right..

but I believe we can take it back. That said, I still am putting half my life savings in a Canadian bank. It ain't much, but it's all I got.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:06 PM

55. word

Quite frankly the national party has no one to blame but themselves for not taking the bull by the horns and rolling over the Republicans with the progressive legislation the people were begging for. We wanted major changes from the Reaganism that's been killing us for thirty plus years. From starting negotiations at a centrist point and then bending over backward to give the right wing every consideration, these corporate Kochsuckers did everything they could to prevent it from happening. Honestly, they looked scared to death to have all the power because people expected them to do something good with it and they are not interested in that at all. We were sold out a long time ago and the unwillingness of the 2009 congress proved it.


While Mr. Scorpio's point that the Senate reflects the liberal bent of the populace is true, in fact the populace is on average considerably more liberal than the government - all three branches. We on the whole want universal health care, gun control, clean water and air, lower defense spending, upgraded roads, safe, private, and rare abortion, legalized pot, and on and on. The Dems, including an immensely popular president, had a chance in 2009-2010 to act aggressively on all of these. They refused, instead "reaching out" to a party that had been thoroughly repudiated at the polls. Why? Because the DC "Dems" get their money from the same trough as the despised Repukes.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:29 PM

71. +1

Nicely stated!

Wish this was an OP

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:06 AM

83. I moved the other way!

I lived in Bumblefuck, Indiana for six years...it was my wife's home town. Actually, it was Brazil, Indiana, birthplace of Jimmy Hoffa, not far from Terre Haute, probably the smelliest city in the country.

I came from the South Bend area originally. It's still in Indiana but more influenced by Chicago and Michigan, so it isn't as arse-backwards as most of Indiana except for places like Indianapolis, Fort Wayne, Bloomington, etc.

Moving to Bumblefuck...sorry, Brazil, was an extreme culture shock for me. The further south and more rural you get in Indiana, the more it becomes like the Deep South.

We moved to Michigan in 2007. I haven't entered the state of Indiana since then, and have no plans to. Michigan has its problems, and its own share of fringe/militia whackos but overall it's worlds better than the Hoser...sorry, Hoosier, state.

We used to have a joke. When it's noon in New York City, what time is it in Indiana? 1925.

I think that unfortunately you are all too correct about the national party. Ever since Mondale got whacked in 1984 the DLC control over the Democratic Party has caused "Democrats" to fall arse-over-tit to be as "Republican-lite" as possible? Using my home state as an example again, do you think Evan Bayh would have been elected as Senator or as a two-term Governor by being a REAL Democrat? He couldn't, and he didn't.

Bill Clinton? "The era of big government is over?" Signed on to the now-discredited DOMA?

President Obama only gets labelled as a "socialist" by the far right because they have MOVED the centre of U.S. politics so far to the right that anything mildly to the left of what Rush Limbaugh preaches is Marx, Lenin and Stalin rolled into one! Obama is much more like a "Rockefeller Republican" than an FDR Democrat. If he were half the "socialist" he's falsely claimed to be, we would have single-payer health care!

As long as the DLC keeps its stranglehold on the Democratic Party, Democrats will continue to NOT be Democrats.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:04 AM

36. If you're right, it would be at least the third. But I digress. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:09 AM

38. I'm moving to Montana soon, gonna be a Dental Floss tycoon...

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #38)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:44 AM

90. Tycoon.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:15 AM

39. The Republicans are counting on the folks who didn't follow politics at ALL....

Until they woke up one morning to find a black guy in their White House.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:18 AM

40. What kind of an America are we leaving to our kids?? That's what bothers me.

How the hell can we ever claim that we made a difference when we allowed an asshole like Bush to ever happen?
We should have been in the streets then.

The "Brooks Brothers riot" that Delay sponsored down in Florida in 2000 cost us a lot of the gains that we had made over the past 25 years.
And now they want to roll the clock back to 1954??

This is ridiculous.
Congress renewed the Voting Rights Act just a few years ago in 2006.
It passed in both houses by a wide margin, back when the Rethuglicans controlled both houses of Congress!!

And yet, it is this relentless tearing down of everything that we have worked for, over the last 25 to 50 years, that is what is dividing this country in half.

The Rethuglicans constantly fight against the laws, going after the Voting Rights Act, Roe v Wade, and every other civil liberty that we have fought for in this country.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:20 AM

41. It is a major distraction to continue to think along the lines that we are in a war of D's vs. R's.

The Republicans are merely a tool of the 1% Elites. By concentrating on defeating Republicans we let Corp owned Democrats into our tent and they are capable of doing as much or more damage because some will follow a Democrat anywhere.

Bottom line is we (those that will not go willingly into fascism) need a strategy.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:24 AM

42. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

this is a GREAT post. Apologies if I seem over the top here, but I've been trying to say exactly this for days and I've failed miserably.

You have articulated this perfectly.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:35 AM

44. Good post. I'm one of those blue Americans living in the Red of Colorado.

I get braver every day. I've written a few letters to the editor in response the right wing rants printed times two in our twice weekly local rag, and a few of my fellow blues living here have done the same.
In this year's Memorial Day parade, I booed the "Patriot" float and tore up the propaganda thrown at me after I refused to take it.
I'm personally sick of these people who think the rights of Americans only extend to white, well off Christians.
I know people who collect every benefit possible, never pay for any medical care, buy houses they can't afford and trash them before they abandon them, and then curse the government and Obama for all their ills. They are, however, the best of all possible Americans: white Christians who deserve everything. Praise the Lord!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:43 AM

47. K & R !!!


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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:55 AM

48. I'm split on this

I agree that the protections need to be there in order to support minority voting, but I disagree with singling out specific states and municipal regions for special treatment, and it was that piece that gave the conservative judges the fig leaf needed to gut the act.
If we had real Democratic leadership maybe they could have done something about this before it went to the SCOTUS.
We'll have to use this to prod people to even greater efforts in GOTV programs, but at this point the Obama administration appears to be willfully sapping the energy of its supporters.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:53 PM

53. You've nailed it

we have to RUN to keep up with these guys, no time to get stuck on personalities ... We have to demand a fair election next time, because they're planning on stealing it. It's the only way the RW can win, by takeover. And they do have connections all up in the surveillance state,ect.

I think they had their people in place when President Obama got in--They weren't prepared for such a large AA turnout (remember Karl Rove squirming) But they have their ways, and I've had my suspicions all along.

Yeah they're playing hardball now, because people are starting to wake up.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:12 PM

56. They like to make their crimes legal before they commit them.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:24 PM

59. K & R

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:48 PM

61. "I suggest that Blue should start invading Red " Good strategy. Needs money. Lots of it. n/t

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #61)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:35 PM

68. I would drink Drano before I'd move to UT or OK

Seccession is a MUCH better alternative, starting with cutting the red states off from their federal funding.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #68)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:01 PM

79. Used up 50 years in Oklahoma City, gonna live the rest of it someplace cooler.


But there are areas that are nice, and, frankly, as far as jobs go, they have been keeping up slight better than others, with not near as many part-time positions replacing full-time as one sees in other Southern states. If it wasn't 90 degrees with 90 percent humidity when you wake up in the morning, and THEN it gets hot, I might still be there. Now I have snow that's not ice in my life again, and I like it.

Many there do seem to have lost their collective minds, and with the rise of the Cowboy Taliban, (Republicans), there are things getting much worse. Ironic in a state that was one of the most progressive for over half of the 1900's. Early sit-ins of the civil rights movement happened in downtown OKC and led to some serious improvements, for a while. There are still people who lived there that would never vote anything but Democrat, because their lives were shaped by the decisions of Hoover and FDR, whose parents were the ones spitting at and cheering those two names. Schools and infrastructure, and even the oil barons built up the towns, got things in like airports and manufacturing. These past couple decades most people have been using it up, not investing like they were, forgetting how they got here, and why they have a more advantageous position than some. But I be most won't realize it until they have lost it, if ever

It's too bad, really...





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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:57 PM

62. Slow-moving coup

Last edited Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:27 PM - Edit history (1)

The Republicans are indeed staging a slow-moving coup.

Their first priority was installing hyper-partisans into the courts, enshrining strange concepts like "Money = speech" into law, which expedited many of their other tactics. The ensuing legalized bribery of Congress allowed longstanding media-ownership rules to be ignored. Now our so-called "news media" is controlled by a handful of mega-corporations who are playing dumb by pretending that the suppression of Democratic votes -- the final stage of the coup -- is just business as usual.

As progressives, we are left with an opposition party that is too timid -- or too corrupt -- to even articulate the imminence or the magnitude of the threat to our democracy -- much less mount an effective response.

Progressives will have to reorganize the Democratic Party from the bottom up in order to aggressively confront and refute Republican propaganda and to re-structure the party into an effective political force.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:32 PM

65. Factors we're up against: Huge Money, Bought Government, Religion, Stacked Courts, Election Fraud,

Gerrymandering, Gutted Education System and Subsequent Mass Ignorance, Media Owned by Rightwing Multinational Corporations Spewing Propaganda 24/7, Huge and Growing Gap Between Haves and Have Nots.

Do I like our chances? I'll be honest. No, I do not.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:02 PM

72. .

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:18 PM

73. Needs another K&R nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:29 PM

74. There must be plenty of Blue voters in Red districts or else the GOP wouldn't need to do this crap.

Someone has to get them out to vote inspite of all the road blocks.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:57 PM

78. We will have to have an NGO with pervasive reach reporting all changes in voting to the Justice

department. Or keeping track of it, anyway. I'm sure we can put together a Voter's Rights Watch group. Have 1 or two volunteers in each precinct to keep tabs on all changes made. This ruling itself may not be as bad as some think. If additional rulings follow that limit voting rights in other ways, then it will start to get much worse.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:11 PM

80. Go ahead. Demands that things are hopeless and give up.

Or, will the next move be laying in front of cop cars in the streets and chaining yourselves to fences, only to be cut loose and dragged off to jail, of course, with cameras rolling? Fortunately there is a saner element among democrats and fortunately, they are in the majority by a large amount. The GOP is losing it's grip, even in the red areas that it has dominated in. Why would Graham and McCain support immigration reform if their states stood a chance of staying red beyond the decade? Corzine and Cruz can grandstand, but Texas may well go Blue in 2016 for good. Groups like the one that Jeremy Bird is advising are working on grassroots efforts to register more minority voters that have never voted before and get those people active in determining their futures. The percentage of the electorate that White people hold drops by 2-3% every two years, even beyond that, a large core of White people reject the GOP's efforts to divide the nation along racial and ethnic grounds, those people are and will remain part of the sane coalition that is winning the country back and pushing it toward a brighter future.

Go ahead, give up when you are actually winning. Count me out of your choice.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 01:11 AM

81. Liberal from Tampa here, one of the areas affected

Read the Tampa Bay times, and you will hear the Hallelujahs of the neo confederates. We are not just talking libertarians who thinks racism is over, we mean the same folks that proudly say Black people should never have voted, and who think that Dixie will rise again. in 2012, our elections were a fiasco again, and we wound up being counted last, only after Ohio of all places was in the bag for Obama.

This is where "True the Vote" keep dressing in uniforms and harassing Hispanics. This is where people cheer Zimmerman, and make the case that Tray Martin did not belong in a white area, and for that, deserved to be shot. Sadly, a lot of the "yankees" link up with the "rednecks" as many ex NYers blame Black people for the fact they had to move out of the area.

In short, as cosmo as Tampa is compared to a lot of the state, we are NOWHERE near the point where we can be unsupervised. We have not had one election since 2000 where there was not some sort of scandal/national embarrassment.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #81)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:54 AM

93. I like your post......nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:05 AM

82. we're doing our share next month! Moving two progressive liberals down to St. Augustine, FL

woot! woot!

Oh, and one daughter is moving with her liberal BF to Tallahassee next week!

FOUR DEMS for Florida in 2014!!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:34 PM

97. We really goofed in 2010

and it's going to be hell to undo. I am so pissed about my state. I just don't see what it is about Mississippi that Wisconsinites like so much that they want to bring it here.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:22 PM

98. Here's my solution....

Have some heavily blue state legislature start to immediately gerrymander the fuck out of their entire state. Make it patently ludicrously obvious what they are doing. Have districts that weave and wind throughout the state and which aim at driving every Republican out of office. Make voting the easiest thing in the world to do. Give people the day off, have registration day raffles and picnics and arrange for city and school buses to shuttle people to and from the polls....except for white males who will have to locate their real birth certificates and prove they are who they say they are. Reinstitute the fairness doctrine overnight and fund heavy liberal and radical radio to restore balance.

When the Repugs scream and soil themselves have a small army of spokespersons on hand to publicly mock them for being hypocrites, babies and whiners and point out all the states where they have done the same things. If a few Republicans sneak by, strip them of every privilege and put liberal overseers in their offices and in their counties to ensure they are spending their money correctly. Institute progressive state taxes and redistribute it to the poorest counties. Enact legislation that aims at 100% voter turn out and voter education which especially targets conservative judges and whips up up our base to vote them out.

Oh. I forgot.... That wouldn't be nice or fair. Never mind.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 07:30 AM

99. They got away with it in 2000 so...

It's now just another GOP tool. The GOP/Supreme Court Coup.

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