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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo... how did YOU become a Rand Paul follower?
Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:03 AM - Edit history (1)
I think it's time for some personal stories. Cautionary tales.
In my case, I read the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution, and am told that I immediately flew into a rage against African-Americans fell in love with Rand Paul.
How about you?
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DNI and ex-Booz Allen VP James Clapper: Iraq 'unquestionably' moved its WMD to Syria)
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)sorry, I have "A Few Good Men" on the brain.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)And so therefore it must be true?
PS Shhhh! they tell me I'm a racist too!
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)and the grand wizard.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Rand.
By Steve Benen
In March, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) launched a high-profile filibuster on the Senate floor, bringing attention to drone strikes and civil liberties questions that too often go ignored. But as the spectacle faded, a problem emerged -- Paul didn't seem to fully understand the issue he ostensibly cares so much about.
The Kentucky Republican wanted to know if the Obama administration feels it has the authority to "use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil." Attorney General Eric Holders said the "answer to that question is no." For many involved in the debate, the answer was superficial and incomplete -- who gets to define what constitutes "combat"? what about non-weaponized drones? -- but Paul declared victory and walked away satisfied.
Today, the senator went further, saying he's comfortable with drones being used over U.S. soil if the executive branch decides -- without a warrant or oversight -- there's an "imminent threat." Paul told Fox News:
"...I've never argued against any technology being used when you an imminent threat, an active crime going on. If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash, I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him. But it's different if they want to come fly over your hot tub, or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities."
I realize it's difficult to explore complex policy questions in detail during a brief television interview, and perhaps if the Republican senator had more time to think about it, he might explain his position differently. But as of this afternoon, it sounds like Rand Paul is comfortable with the executive branch having the warrantless authority to use weaponized drones to kill people on American soil suspected of robbing a liquor store.
But flying over a hot tub is where he draws the line.
- more -
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/04/23/17881782-disappointing-those-who-stand-with-rand
Drones to kill people "suspected of robbing a liquor store."
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)But, when they start messin' with my licker supply, they gonna get droned.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Which OP? If you're not calling anyone out, are you actually admitting to being a Ron Paul follower, which is against the rules?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Not against the rules!
Dick Cheney ain'ta gonna like that!
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Dick Cheney thinks?
I don't understand what that means. :shrugs:
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... he's on your side, buddy, you ask him.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)second, my side? What are you talking about?
I'm not a Republican, I didn't vote for them. Why are you accusing me of that?
WTF is wrong with people here.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... doesn't stop the Personality Cult from telling me I "support him." You should work on that temper thing.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)your name calling thing. Makes you look very childish.
My temper is just fine.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Make shit up much?
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I said you might wanna work on your name calling thing. So, no I don't make shit up.
I was referring to you using this... Personality Cult & your transparency page is showing...
Some name calling there. Also did you really comment on my temper with a page like that?
vaberella
(24,634 posts)The OP didn't seem to target anyone but wanted to be clear on something I'm a bit confused about. You jump into the conversation with cryptic language and when called on it; you respond with your personal angst that you are actually dumping on a poster who doesn't need it.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)patience. Job is green with envy
one_voice
(20,043 posts)doesn't take much to impress you.
Speaking of personality cult....
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)questions:
What is your favorite col... (oops not that one).
Have you ever been or are you now a member of the Paulite Brigade?
one_voice
(20,043 posts)with all the pissing and moaning that was done when you were wrongfully called racist. You now think it's funny to call out someone else.
Hypocrisy, it's what's for breakfast.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)You post is making me very confuzled. Who did I call out and what did I call him or her?
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Someone just posted saying that he asked and there were 14 Rand Paul supporters on a DU thread!
I like to say "get your own forum Paulbots" and that might bother some here because even if they don't like them the know they are united in getting their hate on for Obama.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Joe McCarthy had 276. Or 197. Or 42. Or something like that, but he forgot.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)You can find it if you're good at search.
If you care
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)such as the trend of Libertarians taking over activist groups for the good of their saviors, the Pauls.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Autumn
(44,986 posts)You better put another one under there, my Dyson fucked it up.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Nothing but dust bunnies and a sock that has been missing for years....
Could you send one over right away?....I don't want to be left out.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)by private contractor. Or USPS... whichever comes first. I'd bet on the USPS.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)What would we do without the NSA...I hope he does not mind that I snore...
Monkie
(1,301 posts)im not sure i have space under the bed next my collection of commies, evil drug overlords, and muslim terrorists.
great posts, right on the money and funny.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)interesting the amount of wink wink nod on this thread
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)underthings about the place to chose from
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I like to read.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Tricky Dick Nixon and Joe McCarthy had them.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Its hard to keep track of the strawman du jour.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)And they were handing out free t-shirts. I can't pass on free shit so I signed up and now I hate the government and love the free market.
think
(11,641 posts)great quote by the late Archbishop Oscar Romero.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)told me that I am a one. C'est la vie.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)since I felt that if Robert Kennedy had become President, we could have had the Great Society without the Vietnam War. Today, that apparently makes me a fringe left-winger who only wants ponies and rainbows. But apparently I'm a Randian now as well. I am really confused
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)All that happened though is I caught misogyny and my penis got larger and more scary/ threatening to half the worlds persons.
Autumn
(44,986 posts)I said fuck Rand Paul so much that it became an addiction. I blame EarlG
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I remember someone asking during the Bush era, it was one of those patriotism tests: 'what would you do for your country, would you eg, be willing to sleep with Bush IF it would help your country?' Everyone was quiet for a while, then someone started singing 'I will do anything for my country, but I won't do that' and someone else joined in, and before long the whole room was singing it.
There are some things no one should be asked to do, no matter how noble the cause.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Just because Libertarians and Liberals share some views doesn't mean they are equal. In fact, the corporatist Third Way wing of the Democratic Party has more in common with the Republican Party than Liberals do with Libertarians.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)nice.
Showing your true colours.
Sid
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Bush Obama Group seems more appropriate than apologists, since they are unapologistic in their support of Bush policy.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)an iota.
Libertarians mean to destroy government, thus they're good at mucking up the works
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Their aim is dismantling our corporatist govt. They are quite fine with keeping enviromental regulation, worker safety, consumer protection, a minimum wage, etc. All basically traditional liberal values. More than likely they would be Democrats, if corporate interests were not controlling the party. They probably don't represent ALL Libertarians...but do seen to be a sizeable number of the youthful ones.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Sorry if you buy into it. It means they're open to Ron and Rand Paul at this point in history
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)IMO, no government is bad govt. I think better plan is to drag Dem Party back left. They view both parties as offering little economic future for them. I'm unable to convince them that having no govt is surrendering to corporate interests.
Many of them are musicians. One in particular is a brilliant musician, vocalist, and composer. He wrote this musical called Inertia: The Musical for his senior thesis. Produced several live performances of the show overseeing the work of 70 students from 5 colleges of the arts. It got all kinds of awards and accolades. I provided much funding for recording the soundtrack, and helped with mixing and mastering, and lined up the venue for the CD release.
Check it out and free listen here:
http://m.reverbnation.com/artist/inertiathemusical
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)but Hillary is on tap
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)How many times do people have to be told this.........RON & RAND PAUL ARE REPUBLICANS
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They don't care what party he is, or what else he believes.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Attack occupy and Paulites and smear them as same.
By the way, I know this is news to you, but occupy is still around.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)I saw the takeover happening as did many others. It was a shame and Occupy would have been better off without them.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I did, many. My experience in the field is that Paulites, racists and others were quickly isolated
They had a hard time getting heard, let alone reaching consensus. But what would I know? I spent many a night.
But you know who was really cute and locally did a lot of damage? A local Democratic Party operative, who was so bad not even the party wanted him either when all was said and done.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)opportunist around of every stripe.
I just cannot stand the Paulites, bottom line.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I realize that libertarians are far more than RW crazies, and as old as the country. Some even in the vaunted Democratic Party...indeed Bernie Sanders, a social Democrat, holds more than a few Classic Libertarian views. And to clarify, Bernie is an independent and to the left of the Democratic Party.
Anybody who has a certain reverence for individual liberty (no, not what Ron and Rand mean) are by definition libertarians. Some of the most famous even led a revolution against the mother country, our current junior imperial partner.
So perhaps it is that history degree, or that minor in poli sci...I don't know.
There is a reason why the libertarian party is number three in registration, has grown like gang busters since 1971 when officially formed. There also a reason it will not get to number two...that tent is insanely large...it goes well beyond the RW of the party...they are just the loud mouths.
In fact, more than a few would have been called FDR democrats. These days the left of the libertarians at times vote democrat, at times Green, at times stay home, at times they vote libertarian. The right at times votes libertarian, at times republican, some trend tea party.
And both national parties try to fight it. It s actually hilarious. But not all libertarians, as Hoopie tried to explain, are RW Rand Paul fans.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)after we worked so hard to throw them out, than ordinary citizens joining a Global, anti-Wall St. Corruption movement. Good for them for seeing the light.
Does it bother you at all that Obama has appointed so many Republicans to his cabinet?? What do you call Democrats who put Republicans in powerful positions in government if you call people who support Paul 'Paulbots'? Or are you happy to see all those Republicans back in power after we threw them out?
Was Obama unable to find any Democrats around to fill those positions? I could have helped do that, I can think of Democrats who are far superior and far more qualified than any Republican for those positions. But then, I'm a Democrat.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)wouldn't you say, no don't say, it's late and this is another can of worms.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)for our Reps, like Grayson and Franken to support Paul, as they have on several occasions on legislation but not okay for ordinary people to agree with Paul on the same issues. And if so, why? Are Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Al Franken, Kucinich 'Paulbots', or is it that sometimes people from opposite sides of the political spectrum can agree on some issues?
And all those Republicans Obama has appointed, on what issues do they agree with us? Airc, Comey is a very Conservative Republican. He did stand up to Bush on one issue and I admired him for that, but would never in a million years vote for him, let alone appoint him to a Democratic Cabinet, not when we have so many great Democrats who are qualified.
KG
(28,751 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts).. for thinking the Constitution and people who took an oath to defend it while in public office were important matters.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)But it didn't stop my descent into racism if that wasn't enough to fall in love with Ron Paul right there and than...
I became convinced it applies to EVERYONE. No qualifiers, restrictions, etc. I even think it should be applied to non-Human species like Great Apes (just one of the examples) and AI.
this is how and why I fell in love with on Ron Paul.
I am so sorry...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I actually attended a Ron Paul Rally.
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/9598
I was a reporter...and my, the electricity and all. And after listening to Doctor Paul I was...converted.
I could not bring myself to vote for him in the primaries or the General. But there you have it.
In all seriousness I did. It was an experience I will not soon forget. Ron Paul is quite electric, and charismatic, I hope his son is not that charismatic or electric.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)He had dinner with Ron Paul once. He said that for about an hour, Paul was a great guy, very charming. Then, suddenly, Paul got very, very weird - all kinds of nutty conspiracy stuff - all the gold being stolen from Ft. Knox was the CT that I remember him mentioning, but there was other stuff.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Now you want to get him, or his followers talking, as you said...federal reserve...when that rarely fails, IRS.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I had the unmitigated gall to utter a word of criticism against The One, er...Barack Obama.
Mister Ed
(5,924 posts)What's this "Twitter" thing, anyway?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I would follow him just to take the edge off. Then I started following him every weekend. Then I started following him after school. Now I just can't stop following him. I follow him into the bathroom and watch him poo. I following him to bed and watch him sleep. I follow him around town and watch him beat up kids. I follow him to church and watch him sacrifice a goat to Satan. I followed him to an animal shelter and watched him burn it down. I'm hooked!
Rex
(65,616 posts)Haters always hate.
jsr
(7,712 posts)Awesome logic, n'est-ce pas?
FAIL.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Now that is just disgusting....how can you live with yourself?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I did too, so it happened sort of by osmosis.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)people who read the 4th Amendment think that Russia and China are free and transparent nations.
As evidenced by the latest call-out, re: why wikileaks is mostly full of American stuff. This question is supposed to flummox the civil liberties cohort, despite having a rather obvious answer. (That Russia and China are both a mix of 1984 and The Sopranos and not places anybody should aspire to live right now and generally not nearly as good as the USA despite the USA sucking.)
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I thought they were worst.
Before long they will call us commies, REDS I tell ya
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)You, Monday, Wednesday, Fridays.
Him, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturdays.
You & him both bad on Sundays?
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)He said "Why do you hate liberty?" and walked away.
progressoid
(49,952 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)You're not down with the Rand unless you've stepped on some thug union guy's head.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)sheshe2
(83,668 posts)not consistent, Manny.
As for me~
Tuesday June 25th! Vote!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)His hair is more similar to Rand Paul's than is Gomez's.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)I guess I'm psychic.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Then there was the Fed and I became a True Believer.
struggle4progress
(118,236 posts)in hopes of making it rain, y'know, and then suddenly everything's, like, a time trip back into the nazi era, and the gestapo are swarming from every whichever, and this ossifer told me to give him my beer, and I told him he should get his own fuggin beer and not take mine, and he asked if I was drunk and I said I bet I could sign my name in piss on the sidewalk neater than just about anyone ...
Anyway, it finally dawned on me that the fascists hate us for our freedoms and, like, the government can't take a joke, which isn't what I had voted for
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)The same thing happened to me. It was so long ago, I almost forgot.
struggle4progress
(118,236 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)but I think few have experienced it.
"The Road Less Traveled" and all.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Rand who?
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)in the Libertarian section
WovenGems
(776 posts)Bumped my head and now I am as brain damaged as he is.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I kind of wanted to see if he would notice. I'm pretty disappointed...
Greybnk48
(10,164 posts)could not get legitimate accreditation and had the balls to create his own phony association using Daddy's money to fake accreditate himself! I thought anyone who is that crooked and that smoothe of a liar is the politician for me!!!
Oh yeah. As a woman. I love it that he hangs out with gunaholics that like to beat up women and stomp on their heads. Very macho!
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)Although I suspected it of you many times, I'm curious what turned you.
And as for your link trying to disenfranchise a single member, I can post a dozen more supporting other appointed members and/or supporting this single member that YOU have chosen to cherry-pick.
Really, Manny, your efforts have become so transparent that I can't believe that anyone who truly supports Democracy can seriously support those efforts.
You, sir, are trying to destroy our democracy and cloaking your efforts as "saving" our democracy.
Therefore, I am charging you - yes, YOU - as working towards destroying all that you claim to hold dear.
IMHO, you are a hypocrite.
I will admit that I could be wrong, but your posts make this point clear to me. You are a hypocrite and anti-Democratic Party.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Knocked me right off the ass I was riding, and hit my head on a rock.
Then the skies parted and a brilliant light shone, revealing the Holy Virgin Ayn Rand riding Alan Greenspan!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)I am not, nor have I ever been a Rand Paul follower.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)At Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
So... how did YOU become a Rand Paul follower?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023079187
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)
ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
Another callout thread from Manny. How about Skinner gets off his fat ass and takes back control of this place?
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:29 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Sounds as if the alerter needs to be tombstoned for general asshattery.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: How about people like Prosense stop playing the game that causes these types of posts to be made in defense....like calling all who are unhappy with the NSA spy thing racists just because they are not lock step behind everything Obama does or says? Either these all go, or they all stay. DU incredibly sucks right now.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Oh my, alerter tantrum.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I like how the post is fine, but your alert is a clear TOS violation. So much fucking fail here, and it ain't from Manny.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Good decision. Alerter tantrum indeed...thumbs up #3!
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)the thread that started it all?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3049348
This was allowed to stand so what's good for the goose and all that shit. Certainly if it is OK for your faction to call those who criticize the President racists, it is OK for those who are offended by such petty, petulant, and immature name calling to make sarcastic threads in response.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)argument. It never occurs to them that when you say something stupid, people will respond. Then they are shocked!
If only they would stick to the issues we all could do so. But now it's a free for all, thanks to those who could not defend their POV and resorted to that garbage.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)They made the accusations and then criticized people for responding.
I don't understand people.
leftstreet
(36,101 posts)I didn't know that
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Coccydynia
(198 posts)Democrats should wonder why it took a Teabagger to state the obvious, TWICE.
Democrats should be leading the charge against those who would trash any portion of the Constitution, whether that trashing be of the 4th Amendment through the NSA, or extra-judicial killings with drones.
Perhaps it is time Democrats take a good long look in the mirror.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)and they twisted it around and accused me of liking this Rand Paul guy.
I've never even heard this Rand Paul guy play, fer crissakes.
Dumbass conservative troll cretins hangin' around here...can't tell a C note from a duck fart..
Les Paul. I said Les Paul!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And you have to admit, Les does look a bit like Ron!
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Stay tuned for tomorrow's ridiculous accusations.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Autumn
(44,986 posts)Using the French word Les was your mistake. The Paul, The Paul was what you should have said. Damn it, speak english. Now I'm going to go enjoy my darn freedom fries.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I couldn't figure out which direction to go in life, so I put Atlas shrugged, Dianetics and 1984 into a bag. I picked one blindfolded and came up with Atlas Shrugged.
At that exact moment Rand Paul did a secret mind meld with me.
Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)Your hands numb or something?
and adding that I'm only joking, to make sure you know I'm not trolling you!
patrice
(47,992 posts)markets all over the world & Rand Paul is protecting those markets with the help of the gun manufacturers association, the NRA, by extorting the US senate and thus holding all other social and economic justice issues in this country hostage to the profits of filthy rich weapons manufacturers, who have the ongoing hope, because of various security leaks similar to what happened in Benghazi, of MIC continuing to receive most of the revenue that American taxpayers provide.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)You?
sibelian
(7,804 posts)And I just felt kind of unfulfilled. I needed more weirdness in my life.
Also, I had space on my wall for another portrait and a shitload of unburned incense and I thought "why the hell not"...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)next, assuming you read the Constitution and think it's worth protecting and defending.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)I fell in love with Rand Paul so much I voted against his teabagging ass.
Just like my rage against African-Americans has made me a lifelong enemy of the KKK....
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Obama's situation is what it is. His legacy is his problem, not mine. My concern is getting political representation.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)that never read a paper copy of Mother Jones or UTNE reader.
they are thirsty for a hero.
beware right wing populism, folks.