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Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:40 PM

So... how did YOU become a Rand Paul follower?

Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:03 AM - Edit history (1)

I think it's time for some personal stories. Cautionary tales.

In my case, I read the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution, and am told that I immediately flew into a rage against African-Americans fell in love with Rand Paul.

How about you?

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Reply So... how did YOU become a Rand Paul follower? (Original post)
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:41 PM

1. The same day I read the Fourth Amendment and coincidentally joined the KKK! n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:43 AM

142. I had a lobotomy and suddenly it all became so clear!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:43 PM

2. I just followed the line at chow time.

sorry, I have "A Few Good Men" on the brain.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:16 AM

95. You mean to tell me the whole you've been at Gitmo you've never had a meal?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:44 PM

3. I was told I was

 

And so therefore it must be true?

PS Shhhh! they tell me I'm a racist too!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:44 PM

4. Rumor had it that I'm the love child between him

 

and the grand wizard.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:44 PM

5. This thread needs

Rand.

Disappointing those who 'stand with Rand'

By Steve Benen



In March, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) launched a high-profile filibuster on the Senate floor, bringing attention to drone strikes and civil liberties questions that too often go ignored. But as the spectacle faded, a problem emerged -- Paul didn't seem to fully understand the issue he ostensibly cares so much about.

The Kentucky Republican wanted to know if the Obama administration feels it has the authority to "use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil." Attorney General Eric Holders said the "answer to that question is no." For many involved in the debate, the answer was superficial and incomplete -- who gets to define what constitutes "combat"? what about non-weaponized drones? -- but Paul declared victory and walked away satisfied.

Today, the senator went further, saying he's comfortable with drones being used over U.S. soil if the executive branch decides -- without a warrant or oversight -- there's an "imminent threat." Paul told Fox News:

"...I've never argued against any technology being used when you an imminent threat, an active crime going on. If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash, I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him. But it's different if they want to come fly over your hot tub, or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities."

I realize it's difficult to explore complex policy questions in detail during a brief television interview, and perhaps if the Republican senator had more time to think about it, he might explain his position differently. But as of this afternoon, it sounds like Rand Paul is comfortable with the executive branch having the warrantless authority to use weaponized drones to kill people on American soil suspected of robbing a liquor store.

But flying over a hot tub is where he draws the line.

- more -

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/04/23/17881782-disappointing-those-who-stand-with-rand

Drones to kill people "suspected of robbing a liquor store."



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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:50 PM

12. Finally! You reveal your sense of humor! Thank you!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:59 PM

72. Hey, I can put up with using chemical weapons and such.

But, when they start messin' with my licker supply, they gonna get droned.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:45 PM

6. Who are you calling out tonight?

Which OP? If you're not calling anyone out, are you actually admitting to being a Ron Paul follower, which is against the rules?

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Response to one_voice (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:48 PM

9. Oh noes!

Not against the rules!

Dick Cheney ain'ta gonna like that!

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:50 PM

13. Who gives a fuck what..

Dick Cheney thinks?

I don't understand what that means. :shrugs:

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Response to one_voice (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:52 PM

18. Uh...

... he's on your side, buddy, you ask him.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:54 PM

20. First, I'm not your buddy...

second, my side? What are you talking about?

I'm not a Republican, I didn't vote for them. Why are you accusing me of that?

WTF is wrong with people here.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:57 PM

24. I didn't vote for Rand Paul either...

... doesn't stop the Personality Cult from telling me I "support him." You should work on that temper thing.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:06 PM

41. You might wann work on...

your name calling thing. Makes you look very childish.

My temper is just fine.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:20 PM

50. What name did I call you?

Make shit up much?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:27 PM

55. I didn't say you called me a name...

I said you might wanna work on your name calling thing. So, no I don't make shit up.

I was referring to you using this... Personality Cult & your transparency page is showing...

Some name calling there. Also did you really comment on my temper with a page like that?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:53 AM

114. Okay then...you seem to have a chip on your shoulder.

The OP didn't seem to target anyone but wanted to be clear on something I'm a bit confused about. You jump into the conversation with cryptic language and when called on it; you respond with your personal angst that you are actually dumping on a poster who doesn't need it.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:01 AM

73. No one here is a Paulite either. I agree, wtf is wrong with people here.



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Response to 99Forever (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:00 PM

25. OMG - this subthread is priceless. I applaud your

 

patience. Job is green with envy

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:09 PM

44. Awww...bless you heart..

doesn't take much to impress you.

Speaking of personality cult....

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Response to one_voice (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:53 PM

19. DU should make it more formal. Before being allowd to post an OP one must be asked this

questions:

What is your favorite col... (oops not that one).

Have you ever been or are you now a member of the Paulite Brigade?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:57 PM

23. You know it's funny you say that...

with all the pissing and moaning that was done when you were wrongfully called racist. You now think it's funny to call out someone else.

Hypocrisy, it's what's for breakfast.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:00 PM

28. Someone called me a racist? Who? Give me a name and I'll kick that person's ass.

You post is making me very confuzled. Who did I call out and what did I call him or her?

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Response to one_voice (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:00 PM

27. An attempt to deflate the observations as to all the new Libertarians on the site

Someone just posted saying that he asked and there were 14 Rand Paul supporters on a DU thread!

I like to say "get your own forum Paulbots" and that might bother some here because even if they don't like them the know they are united in getting their hate on for Obama.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:01 PM

31. Hmm. Whoever compiled the 14 names is slacking. I've got a list of 73.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:01 PM

32. Make that 74.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:04 AM

76. That's nuttin'

Joe McCarthy had 276. Or 197. Or 42. Or something like that, but he forgot.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #76)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:07 AM

79. Make that 57.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:02 PM

34. Someone posted that an hour ago

You can find it if you're good at search.

If you care

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:04 PM

36. I saw it and like I said, they are slacking.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:06 PM

40. If that doesn't bug you then you don't care about trends

such as the trend of Libertarians taking over activist groups for the good of their saviors, the Pauls.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #40)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:09 PM

45. I won't rest until there is a libertarian bogey-man under every bed.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:19 PM

49. Jesus Christ!!! I thought it was fucking dust bunnies.

You better put another one under there, my Dyson fucked it up.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #49)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:35 PM

59. :)

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:58 PM

71. I just cecked...

Nothing but dust bunnies and a sock that has been missing for years....
Could you send one over right away?....I don't want to be left out.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #71)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:06 AM

78. Accessing your address from the NSA now. Libertarian to delivered in the next 28-45 business days

by private contractor. Or USPS... whichever comes first. I'd bet on the USPS.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #78)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:14 AM

90. Oh thank god for that.

What would we do without the NSA...I hope he does not mind that I snore...

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #78)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:38 AM

140. do you have any libertarians in size S, im not sure there is space next to the commies

 

im not sure i have space under the bed next my collection of commies, evil drug overlords, and muslim terrorists.
great posts, right on the money and funny.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #71)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:10 AM

83. Speaking of a sock

interesting the amount of wink wink nod on this thread

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #83)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:12 AM

87. I have a list of 185 socks. Looking for at least one more for a match.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #87)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:14 AM

91. I bet you do. There's plenty of loose

underthings about the place to chose from

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:09 AM

81. Can I have a Librarian instead?

I like to read.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #81)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:14 AM

89. Sadly, no. Librarians are too courageous to hide under beds.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #89)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:13 AM

136. Can I get a librarian in my bed ?... n/t

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:12 AM

88. 'I have here in my hand a list' and it's longer than yours!



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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #88)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:03 AM

117. The Personality Cult is entitled to their enemies list.

Tricky Dick Nixon and Joe McCarthy had them.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:08 AM

80. Name them then. Who are these 'Paulbots' on the site? Is there a list we can look at?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #80)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:21 AM

126. Anyone opposing goverment surveillence is a Rand supporter...or a racist....

Its hard to keep track of the strawman du jour.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #80)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:58 AM

135. There is. It was a poll. I see no reason to make a big deal about it, but you can if you want:

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #135)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:27 AM

146. Lol, I love Graham, one of the most entertaining people on DU.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:47 PM

7. I was walking down the sidewalk....

And they were handing out free t-shirts. I can't pass on free shit so I signed up and now I hate the government and love the free market.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:51 PM

17. Thanks for the laugh &

great quote by the late Archbishop Oscar Romero.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:47 PM

8. Apparently, by posting on DU. One morning I woke up and a dozen or so DUers

told me that I am a one. C'est la vie.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:17 AM

96. I have long considered myself an RFK Democrat

since I felt that if Robert Kennedy had become President, we could have had the Great Society without the Vietnam War. Today, that apparently makes me a fringe left-winger who only wants ponies and rainbows. But apparently I'm a Randian now as well. I am really confused

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:48 PM

10. My doctor suggested I buy some of his urine so I could sprinkle it on myself and cure my cancer.

 

All that happened though is I caught misogyny and my penis got larger and more scary/ threatening to half the worlds persons.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:48 PM

11. It must have been a sexual thing for me .

I said fuck Rand Paul so much that it became an addiction. I blame EarlG

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Response to Autumn (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:20 AM

98. I always wondered why we were being told to do that!

I remember someone asking during the Bush era, it was one of those patriotism tests: 'what would you do for your country, would you eg, be willing to sleep with Bush IF it would help your country?' Everyone was quiet for a while, then someone started singing 'I will do anything for my country, but I won't do that' and someone else joined in, and before long the whole room was singing it.

There are some things no one should be asked to do, no matter how noble the cause.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:50 PM

14. The only Rand Paul followers on DU are the strawmen invented by the Bush Obama Group.

Just because Libertarians and Liberals share some views doesn't mean they are equal. In fact, the corporatist Third Way wing of the Democratic Party has more in common with the Republican Party than Liberals do with Libertarians.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:56 PM

22. The "Bush Obama Group"...

nice.

Showing your true colours.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:01 PM

30. They cheerlead Obama continuing Bush policy, and appointing GOP to adiministration.

Bush Obama Group seems more appropriate than apologists, since they are unapologistic in their support of Bush policy.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:03 PM

35. Keep digging...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:21 AM

99. ...

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:01 PM

33. Occupy folks accepted Paulbots and it didn't help them

an iota.

Libertarians mean to destroy government, thus they're good at mucking up the works

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:11 PM

46. I know several Paul supporters, in the 30yo + or - range.

Their aim is dismantling our corporatist govt. They are quite fine with keeping enviromental regulation, worker safety, consumer protection, a minimum wage, etc. All basically traditional liberal values. More than likely they would be Democrats, if corporate interests were not controlling the party. They probably don't represent ALL Libertarians...but do seen to be a sizeable number of the youthful ones.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:15 PM

48. Yes it's a problem, their thinking is wafer thin

Sorry if you buy into it. It means they're open to Ron and Rand Paul at this point in history

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:33 PM

57. I don't buy into it a bit.

IMO, no government is bad govt. I think better plan is to drag Dem Party back left. They view both parties as offering little economic future for them. I'm unable to convince them that having no govt is surrendering to corporate interests.

Many of them are musicians. One in particular is a brilliant musician, vocalist, and composer. He wrote this musical called Inertia: The Musical for his senior thesis. Produced several live performances of the show overseeing the work of 70 students from 5 colleges of the arts. It got all kinds of awards and accolades. I provided much funding for recording the soundtrack, and helped with mixing and mastering, and lined up the venue for the CD release.
Check it out and free listen here:
http://m.reverbnation.com/artist/inertiathemusical

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #57)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:47 PM

63. I agree, we need to move left

but Hillary is on tap

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #46)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:35 AM

105. Yeah, too bad Ron or Rand Paul don't believe in any of that.........

How many times do people have to be told this.........RON & RAND PAUL ARE REPUBLICANS

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #105)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:43 AM

107. Yep. A lot of the PaulBots are single issue supporters...Marijuana.

They don't care what party he is, or what else he believes.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:27 PM

53. This is a double whammy

Attack occupy and Paulites and smear them as same.

By the way, I know this is news to you, but occupy is still around.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #53)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:49 PM

64. I'm not smearing Occupy or saying they're the same as Paulites

I saw the takeover happening as did many others. It was a shame and Occupy would have been better off without them.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #64)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:52 PM

65. How many general assemblies did you attend?

I did, many. My experience in the field is that Paulites, racists and others were quickly isolated

They had a hard time getting heard, let alone reaching consensus. But what would I know? I spent many a night.

But you know who was really cute and locally did a lot of damage? A local Democratic Party operative, who was so bad not even the party wanted him either when all was said and done.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #65)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:55 PM

66. I believe it. There were a lot of

opportunist around of every stripe.

I just cannot stand the Paulites, bottom line.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #66)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:03 AM

75. You are free to that view.

I realize that libertarians are far more than RW crazies, and as old as the country. Some even in the vaunted Democratic Party...indeed Bernie Sanders, a social Democrat, holds more than a few Classic Libertarian views. And to clarify, Bernie is an independent and to the left of the Democratic Party.

Anybody who has a certain reverence for individual liberty (no, not what Ron and Rand mean) are by definition libertarians. Some of the most famous even led a revolution against the mother country, our current junior imperial partner.

So perhaps it is that history degree, or that minor in poli sci...I don't know.

There is a reason why the libertarian party is number three in registration, has grown like gang busters since 1971 when officially formed. There also a reason it will not get to number two...that tent is insanely large...it goes well beyond the RW of the party...they are just the loud mouths.

In fact, more than a few would have been called FDR democrats. These days the left of the libertarians at times vote democrat, at times Green, at times stay home, at times they vote libertarian. The right at times votes libertarian, at times republican, some trend tea party.

And both national parties try to fight it. It s actually hilarious. But not all libertarians, as Hoopie tried to explain, are RW Rand Paul fans.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #64)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:44 AM

108. I'm much more concerned about all the Republicans Obama is placing back in power in his cabinet

after we worked so hard to throw them out, than ordinary citizens joining a Global, anti-Wall St. Corruption movement. Good for them for seeing the light.

Does it bother you at all that Obama has appointed so many Republicans to his cabinet?? What do you call Democrats who put Republicans in powerful positions in government if you call people who support Paul 'Paulbots'? Or are you happy to see all those Republicans back in power after we threw them out?

Was Obama unable to find any Democrats around to fill those positions? I could have helped do that, I can think of Democrats who are far superior and far more qualified than any Republican for those positions. But then, I'm a Democrat.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #108)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:52 AM

112. Um. A tad off topic

wouldn't you say, no don't say, it's late and this is another can of worms.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #112)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:59 AM

116. Support for Republicans, support for Paul, same topic as far as I am concerned. Is it okay

for our Reps, like Grayson and Franken to support Paul, as they have on several occasions on legislation but not okay for ordinary people to agree with Paul on the same issues. And if so, why? Are Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Al Franken, Kucinich 'Paulbots', or is it that sometimes people from opposite sides of the political spectrum can agree on some issues?

And all those Republicans Obama has appointed, on what issues do they agree with us? Airc, Comey is a very Conservative Republican. He did stand up to Bush on one issue and I admired him for that, but would never in a million years vote for him, let alone appoint him to a Democratic Cabinet, not when we have so many great Democrats who are qualified.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:50 PM

15. about the same time I became a racist. it was BOGO, so I said, y'know, what the hey...

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Response to KG (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:06 AM

119. Lol, there's an old Irish saying: 'You may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb'!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:51 PM

16. The day after I discovered I was a racist ...

.. for thinking the Constitution and people who took an oath to defend it while in public office were important matters.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:54 PM

21. Brilliant satire and conceit. Swift would be jealous!- nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:00 PM

26. I read some really awful stuff like Universal Declaration of Human Rights. :(

But it didn't stop my descent into racism if that wasn't enough to fall in love with Ron Paul right there and than...



I became convinced it applies to EVERYONE. No qualifiers, restrictions, etc. I even think it should be applied to non-Human species like Great Apes (just one of the examples) and AI.

this is how and why I fell in love with on Ron Paul.

I am so sorry...



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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:00 PM

29. Well Manny I got no excuses

I actually attended a Ron Paul Rally.

http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/9598

I was a reporter...and my, the electricity and all. And after listening to Doctor Paul I was...converted.

I could not bring myself to vote for him in the primaries or the General. But there you have it.



In all seriousness I did. It was an experience I will not soon forget. Ron Paul is quite electric, and charismatic, I hope his son is not that charismatic or electric.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:50 AM

148. An acquaintance of mine is a Republican operative

He had dinner with Ron Paul once. He said that for about an hour, Paul was a great guy, very charming. Then, suddenly, Paul got very, very weird - all kinds of nutty conspiracy stuff - all the gold being stolen from Ft. Knox was the CT that I remember him mentioning, but there was other stuff.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #148)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:01 PM

149. He can be very pleasant

Now you want to get him, or his followers talking, as you said...federal reserve...when that rarely fails, IRS.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:04 PM

37. Same way I became a "racist," apparently.

I had the unmitigated gall to utter a word of criticism against The One, er...Barack Obama.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:04 PM

38. Clicked his link that said, "Follow me on Twitter"

What's this "Twitter" thing, anyway?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:05 PM

39. At first I only followed once and great while. You know, like after a hard day.

I would follow him just to take the edge off. Then I started following him every weekend. Then I started following him after school. Now I just can't stop following him. I follow him into the bathroom and watch him poo. I following him to bed and watch him sleep. I follow him around town and watch him beat up kids. I follow him to church and watch him sacrifice a goat to Satan. I followed him to an animal shelter and watched him burn it down. I'm hooked!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:07 PM

42. Is that the new talking point?

Haters always hate.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:08 PM

43. Well, Rand Paul and I believe in the Pythagorean theorem, ergo I am a Rand Paul follower

Awesome logic, n'est-ce pas?

FAIL.

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Response to jsr (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:10 AM

82. Pythagorean theorem?

Now that is just disgusting....how can you live with yourself?

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Response to zeemike (Reply #82)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:11 AM

120. It was when someone told me that Paul agrees with Al Franken on something, and I realized

I did too, so it happened sort of by osmosis.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:12 PM

47. You are behind the times, dude. The new thing is that

people who read the 4th Amendment think that Russia and China are free and transparent nations.

As evidenced by the latest call-out, re: why wikileaks is mostly full of American stuff. This question is supposed to flummox the civil liberties cohort, despite having a rather obvious answer. (That Russia and China are both a mix of 1984 and The Sopranos and not places anybody should aspire to live right now and generally not nearly as good as the USA despite the USA sucking.)

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:25 PM

51. They are that good?

I thought they were worst.

Before long they will call us commies, REDS I tell ya

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:27 PM

54. Up next,"I became a troll for the Russians & the Chinese when I supported the 1st & 4th Amendments."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:25 PM

52. Funny story, actually. We bought the same toupee. nt

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Response to nyquil_man (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:33 PM

56. How did that work out? Did you switch off days wearing it?

You, Monday, Wednesday, Fridays.
Him, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturdays.

You & him both bad on Sundays?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:56 PM

68. I suggested exactly that.

He said "Why do you hate liberty?" and walked away.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:35 PM

58. I loved Rand before I became a racist. Also, we work out at the same gym.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:38 PM

60. Have you curb stomped anyone lately?

You're not down with the Rand unless you've stepped on some thug union guy's head.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:42 PM

61. I disagreed with the administration's prosecution of medical marijuana patients.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:45 PM

62. I met him on an alien spacecraft, he had been abducted earlier in the evening...

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:56 PM

67. Well you are nothing if

not consistent, Manny.

As for me~



Tuesday June 25th! Vote!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #67)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:01 AM

74. I'm voting for Markey too, of course

His hair is more similar to Rand Paul's than is Gomez's.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:57 PM

69. Before Rand Paul was born...

I guess I'm psychic.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:57 PM

70. It all started when we abandoned the gold standard.

Then there was the Fed and I became a True Believer.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:05 AM

77. We were dancing naked on the fire station roof, bong-toking, grilling weiners, and tossing M-80s

in hopes of making it rain, y'know, and then suddenly everything's, like, a time trip back into the nazi era, and the gestapo are swarming from every whichever, and this ossifer told me to give him my beer, and I told him he should get his own fuggin beer and not take mine, and he asked if I was drunk and I said I bet I could sign my name in piss on the sidewalk neater than just about anyone ...

Anyway, it finally dawned on me that the fascists hate us for our freedoms and, like, the government can't take a joke, which isn't what I had voted for

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #77)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:46 AM

109. WOW

The same thing happened to me. It was so long ago, I almost forgot.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #109)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:52 AM

113. It's really the sort of thing that could happen to almost anybody

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #113)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:20 AM

125. You could be right...

but I think few have experienced it.

"The Road Less Traveled" and all.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:10 AM

84. Never heard of him

Rand who?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #84)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:11 AM

85. Find him filed under racist teabagger

in the Libertarian section

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:12 AM

86. Slipped

Bumped my head and now I am as brain damaged as he is.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:14 AM

92. Well, after I ran over a sewer rat and it landed on his head...

I kind of wanted to see if he would notice. I'm pretty disappointed...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:15 AM

93. When I found out the fake Dr. Rand Paul

could not get legitimate accreditation and had the balls to create his own phony association using Daddy's money to fake accreditate himself! I thought anyone who is that crooked and that smoothe of a liar is the politician for me!!!

Oh yeah. As a woman. I love it that he hangs out with gunaholics that like to beat up women and stomp on their heads. Very macho!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:15 AM

94. I am curious, how DID you become a Rand Paul follower?

Although I suspected it of you many times, I'm curious what turned you.

And as for your link trying to disenfranchise a single member, I can post a dozen more supporting other appointed members and/or supporting this single member that YOU have chosen to cherry-pick.

Really, Manny, your efforts have become so transparent that I can't believe that anyone who truly supports Democracy can seriously support those efforts.

You, sir, are trying to destroy our democracy and cloaking your efforts as "saving" our democracy.

Therefore, I am charging you - yes, YOU - as working towards destroying all that you claim to hold dear.

IMHO, you are a hypocrite.

I will admit that I could be wrong, but your posts make this point clear to me. You are a hypocrite and anti-Democratic Party.

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Response to jazzimov (Reply #94)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:17 AM

123. That was almost as good an effort at satire as Manny's. Welcome to DU btw.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:19 AM

97. Jeezus gave me a revelation!

Knocked me right off the ass I was riding, and hit my head on a rock.

Then the skies parted and a brilliant light shone, revealing the Holy Virgin Ayn Rand riding Alan Greenspan!

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #97)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:12 AM

121. Then things cleared up and all you saw was an ass.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:22 AM

100. I think I missed this in joke

I am not, nor have I ever been a Rand Paul follower.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:24 AM

101. He's my confirmation saint. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:30 AM

102. I become aware of all the dog shit in my yard on a daily basis so I don't step in it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:31 AM

103. Fucking fuck the Pauls and their bots!

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:34 AM

104. Results of alert

At Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So... how did YOU become a Rand Paul follower?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023079187

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Another callout thread from Manny. How about Skinner gets off his fat ass and takes back control of this place?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:29 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Sounds as if the alerter needs to be tombstoned for general asshattery.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: How about people like Prosense stop playing the game that causes these types of posts to be made in defense....like calling all who are unhappy with the NSA spy thing racists just because they are not lock step behind everything Obama does or says? Either these all go, or they all stay. DU incredibly sucks right now.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Oh my, alerter tantrum.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I like how the post is fine, but your alert is a clear TOS violation. So much fucking fail here, and it ain't from Manny.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #104)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:49 AM

110. Thats a jury smack-down ....

Good decision. Alerter tantrum indeed...thumbs up #3!

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #104)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:51 AM

111. Why should juries hide this thread when they refused to hide

the thread that started it all?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3049348

This was allowed to stand so what's good for the goose and all that shit. Certainly if it is OK for your faction to call those who criticize the President racists, it is OK for those who are offended by such petty, petulant, and immature name calling to make sarcastic threads in response.

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #111)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:04 AM

118. Some people think that when they say something no one will respond, that is the end of the

argument. It never occurs to them that when you say something stupid, people will respond. Then they are shocked!

If only they would stick to the issues we all could do so. But now it's a free for all, thanks to those who could not defend their POV and resorted to that garbage.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #118)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:27 AM

138. I think you are right.

They made the accusations and then criticized people for responding.

I don't understand people.

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #104)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:59 AM

115. Skinner has a fat ass?

I didn't know that

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #115)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:27 AM

128. First I heard

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #104)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:39 AM

131. I thought Skinner would be skinny. /nt

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #104)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:32 AM

144. They've lost it. Too bad. And insulting Skinner? Idiot alerter n/t

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #104)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:08 PM

151. Thank you for posting this! Brilliant! Dear jurors, you ROCK!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:39 AM

106. Rather than mock Rancid Paul

 

Democrats should wonder why it took a Teabagger to state the obvious, TWICE.

Democrats should be leading the charge against those who would trash any portion of the Constitution, whether that trashing be of the 4th Amendment through the NSA, or extra-judicial killings with drones.

Perhaps it is time Democrats take a good long look in the mirror.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:14 AM

122. I got slandered and libeled by DU police state apologists. I said I liked Les Paul,

and they twisted it around and accused me of liking this Rand Paul guy.

I've never even heard this Rand Paul guy play, fer crissakes.

Dumbass conservative troll cretins hangin' around here...can't tell a C note from a duck fart..

Les Paul. I said Les Paul!








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Response to Zorra (Reply #122)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:20 AM

124. Lol! You have to watch what you say, Zorra.

And you have to admit, Les does look a bit like Ron!

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Response to Zorra (Reply #122)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:27 AM

129. They're making a list, and checking it twice.

Stay tuned for tomorrow's ridiculous accusations.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #129)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:38 AM

130. Santa lives in the BOG?

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #130)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:47 AM

133. They share a coldwater flat in fantasyland.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #122)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:40 PM

152. Well that's what the hell you get for using French

Using the French word Les was your mistake. The Paul, The Paul was what you should have said. Damn it, speak english. Now I'm going to go enjoy my darn freedom fries.






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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:22 AM

127. When I laughed at this...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:46 AM

132. It was a tossup

I couldn't figure out which direction to go in life, so I put Atlas shrugged, Dianetics and 1984 into a bag. I picked one blindfolded and came up with Atlas Shrugged.

At that exact moment Rand Paul did a secret mind meld with me.


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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #132)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:19 AM

137. How the hell did you confuse the rather svelte 1984 with 1000+ page Atlas Shrugged?

Your hands numb or something?

and adding that I'm only joking, to make sure you know I'm not trolling you!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:49 AM

134. I follow RP because I'm concerned wars are seeded by uncontrolled private/SECRET assault weapons

markets all over the world & Rand Paul is protecting those markets with the help of the gun manufacturers association, the NRA, by extorting the US senate and thus holding all other social and economic justice issues in this country hostage to the profits of filthy rich weapons manufacturers, who have the ongoing hope, because of various security leaks similar to what happened in Benghazi, of MIC continuing to receive most of the revenue that American taxpayers provide.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:32 AM

139. I fell asleep in late 2000 and just woke up

You?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:42 AM

141. One day I sat staring at my KKK robes...


And I just felt kind of unfulfilled. I needed more weirdness in my life.

Also, I had space on my wall for another portrait and a shitload of unburned incense and I thought "why the hell not"...

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Response to sibelian (Reply #141)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:31 AM

147. Better make more space on your wall, because you're going to fall in love with Alex Jones

next, assuming you read the Constitution and think it's worth protecting and defending.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:23 AM

143. Yep.

I fell in love with Rand Paul so much I voted against his teabagging ass.
Just like my rage against African-Americans has made me a lifelong enemy of the KKK....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:35 AM

145. Same as you. I read the constitution and won't pretend I didn't for anyone.

Obama's situation is what it is. His legacy is his problem, not mine. My concern is getting political representation.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:06 PM

150. there's a whole generation of kids now

 

that never read a paper copy of Mother Jones or UTNE reader.

they are thirsty for a hero.


beware right wing populism, folks.

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