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Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:07 PM

So the White House definitely has a secret kill list

Last edited Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:29 AM - Edit history (1)

And is likely secretly recording every phone conversation and email we send.

Both are unprecedented in the US.

Anyone else thinking this is a bad combo? Should I just toss back some GABA agonist and chill? Or is there a problem?

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Reply So the White House definitely has a secret kill list (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 OP
villager Jun 2013 #1
Demeter Jun 2013 #60
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Bonobo Jun 2013 #2
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #3
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MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #5
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #9
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #25
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MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #7
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MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #10
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rhett o rick Jun 2013 #49
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Th1onein Jun 2013 #28
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MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #20
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Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #52
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ucrdem Jun 2013 #21
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:08 PM

1. This is what's meant by "hope and change" these days.

n/t

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Response to villager (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:37 AM

60. Yeah, we're hoping for a change

as we sit in this handbasket to hell...

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Response to villager (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:25 PM

90. Well, we voted for hope and change/

At least we got the change part. Not so much the hope.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:09 PM

2. Why are a Rand Paul-supporting racist? nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:13 PM

3. I knew I was a racist, but

now I have to support Paul, too?

Do I have to support his hair? No can do.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:14 PM

4. Clearly you are using these issues to make Libertarians look better.

Only a Libertarian would speak out against a secret kill list.

I trust Obama.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:20 PM

5. Clearly.

I'm out of the closest.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:32 PM

9. Careful, some here will miss the sarcasm

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:52 PM

25. Let 'em think I'm a gay racist Paulite.

Why not. Perhaps I should give it a whirl.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:03 AM

74. Exactly

Even if there is a secret kill list we don't have worry if we haven't done anything wrong.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:24 PM

6. They review the list carefully

"And it's legal, because they passed secret laws, and swore the senators to secrecy at the briefing. All branches of govt. have signed off on it."

"I work as a private contractor NSA conusltant do you want me to paste a bunch of nonsense property names about metadata?"

"Hey it was illegal under Bush"

"I bet Snowden got money from the CHINEEEESSE!!!"



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Response to bobduca (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:29 PM

7. They're making a list, they're checking it twice

They're gonna decide who's naughty or nice
Then they'll blow the bad ones, to m-i-i-i-st....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:31 PM

8. Sir, It Would Seem That Terrorists Should be Killed

Do you disagree with my postulate?

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Response to bobduca (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:36 PM

10. Some clarification, first?

1. Please define "terrorist"
2. Who decides on who is a terrorist? Who decides on the punishment?
3. Is the process subject to any public scrutiny?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:37 PM

11. I got nothin.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:01 AM

49. That's too easy.

A terrorists is anyone that challenges the authoritarian state. E.g., Occupy.

The authoritarian state gets to decide who is a terrorist and what the punishment is.

And I am guessing you are joking about the public scrutiny.

Of course in the name of democracy, the public gets to vote on who gets to be the authoritarian figurehead leader.

The tough question is who is behind the figurehead? Who is included in the cabal running our government. Who is forcing our figurehead president to appoint the same economic leaders that Bush had and the same guys Bush had as security leaders?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #49)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:43 AM

80. Well said! What many don't seem to get is this is relative to TPTB at

the time. Individuals might be great under one regime and declared evil under the next. It is ALL relative to whom TPTB are at a point in time. And, these same tools will be used by that particular regime. When I was kid it was the communists are coming, the Russians are gonna get us ... now, it's the terrorists are gonna get us. Same old, same old. It's also the cloak and dagger secrecy.

And predictive analysis ... individuals declared a threat because they are interested in more than vogue inane dribble. ... those questioning our direction as a country declared a threat to TPTB ... possibly. Imagine what could be built as a profile from DU postings alone, for example. All of this starts to remind me of the KGB.

J Edgar Hoover and Joe McCarty would have loved tools like this. I often think many Americans are woefully forgetting history when countries proceed down this path.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #80)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:06 AM

85. Hoover and McCarty were bumbling fools compared to who we have today. nm

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Response to bobduca (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:43 PM

19. I don't want anyone to be killed by my government.

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Response to bobduca (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:58 PM

28. Disagree. Terrorists should be brought to justice.

The executive branch cannot act as judge, jury and executioner.

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Response to bobduca (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:10 PM

33. Are you now implying that DUers are racist terrorist?

 

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Response to usGovOwesUs3Trillion (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:36 PM

36. Sir, Implication Is the Sincerest Form Of Loyalty Questioning

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Response to bobduca (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:45 PM

39. Do you disagree with my 'postulate'? - giggle

 

Well?

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Response to bobduca (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:50 PM

42. Wait, that schtick looks so familiar.... it's, The Judge! NO. um

Judge Judy1!!.. No

It's on the tip of my tongue. All that passive aggression is so characteristic, but I'm having the a hard time with remembering The Name Of The Person Who Does That Crap.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:38 PM

13. They know who you've been texting

They know if you've sent tweets
They know if you're on Facebook or not
So be discrete for your own sake.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:43 PM

20. !

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:59 AM

68. This ones on my list, Manny~

Boston Rock's................Sorry you were not able to make it to this post about Boston. Being a Watertown
Native resident thought you might belatedly want to kick it. I know you love Boston.

Boston got blown away, so to speak on April 15th. Our patriots day, our Marathon. They were blown into the mist.

Sad because they were not the bad ones they were the good ones. Three souls died! Sixteen people lost limbs.

I still cry~


Remember shelter in place, yea me too. LOL we were called sheeple...we were mindless bots. The police cowered us. We were called that everywhere. We were called that on DU. They droned away over and over about how stupid we were.Mindless.

I am so glad that Boston proved them wrong! Aren't you?




http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022925554

Dear Boston! Let's show the world we care!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #68)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:35 AM

89. Sorry I missed it the first time around

But thanks for sharing it.

The whole "Watertown was a police state" thing is weird. Either you and I are deluded, or much of the rest of the country doesn't have cops who are helpful, not nuts.

I'm actually a Newtonian, but Newton Corner, so spitting distance to Watertown.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:06 AM

69. A real LOL

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:37 PM

12. Uh no

Backs away slowly

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:38 PM

14. Secrets are most beneficial to those who know them.

So, when I see the rich getting richer and the forever wars expanding I...think it's a coincidence.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:03 AM

52. The Ministry of Truth?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #52)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:45 AM

81. Yep! All sounds familiar, doesn't it ... SOS, with new tech tools. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:39 PM

15. Oh com'on...what exactly could go wrong?

Just look forwards and never ever look at those pesky history books

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:41 PM

17. Good point.

LOL.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:39 PM

16. If it's so secret, how do you know about it?

I guess it maybe is not so secret.

Or maybe it's just somebody making shit up.

But who's to know the difference?

Should I be looking for drones under my bed? I know I have dust bunnies under there, so it wouldn't surprise me.

And the big power line in my front yard has a helicopter fly down it twice a month, which is a rare thing here in the national forest unless you're growing pot, or you live next to a big assed power line. Frankly, the power company could save a lot of money by ditching that copter and using a unmanned drone. The insurance costs alone would likely save a bundle, let alone the fuel. Alas, that's the price we pay for reliable electric service out here in the bush. At least I am an owner. It's a CO-OP electric company. And I don't mind the twice monthly overflights as long as the damned 220KVolt lines stay up on the towers and not in my yard. Maybe I ought to suggest that they enlist some high school students building them a drone to do the same as their twice monthly copter. Might be a good savings on everybody's bill.

As always, thanks for your posts. They are high quality.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:42 PM

18. But I feel safe so it's ok.



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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:43 PM

21. Bimbo alert fail.

Kill list story is over a year old.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:46 PM

22. "Bimbo"?

Nobody on DU knows about my gender reassignment surgery, and they're not about to find out now, dammit!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:49 PM

23. Okay that was kind of funny.

But you do remember Bimbo alerts and who issued them, right? and why? That part isn't so funny.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:50 PM

24. I think that I shouldn't admit this, but

I don't remember.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:56 PM

27. Ah. Bimbo alerts were media rapid responses

to Bimbo eruptions in the Clinton era, a couple of the more famous eruptees being Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers. So bimbo alerts made you want to turn of the TV and listen to music instead of NPR for a week or two.

Back in the day. . . .

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #27)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:58 PM

29. I remember the eruptions, but not the alerts

Not-quite senior moment, I guess!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:06 PM

31. Okay. But the point I'm ever so gently suggesting Manny

is that the secret kill list is basically Gennifer Flowers by another name and seeing it revived here yet again after a year of non-stop drone outrages kind of gives me déjà vu feeling.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:52 PM

43. How many people did Gennifer Flowers vaporize?

I keep forgetting.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:55 PM

45. I think Bill was the vaporizer

better not go there tho . . .

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #45)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:19 AM

77. +1

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #31)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:13 AM

54. And what the OP is suggesting in aTongue and Cheek

Is that the connections between these two is at the very least troubling.

Care to look into those history books and how kill lists and state surveillance were connected....have been connected?

"Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it" or words to that effect from Santayana apply here.

Hey, at least one of those regimes, and trust me, it wasn't just one, burned books. These days we don't have to worry...willful ignorance makes burning books not necessary.

And before you scream nazi, I said one of many. You think only the Nazis did that? The soviets, Pinochet Chile, Argentina, Spain, the Killing fields, the Great Leap Forward, central America in the 1980s...and those are just the tip of that...

I know I know, it's legal (a disgusting talking point on it's own) and this could never happen here....

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #31)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:31 AM

58. Added to the newly-exposed "Spy on Everyone" program, the totality

kinda totals me.

It suddenly looks, to me, more like the infrastructure of a totalitarian wet dream, rather than a single awful idea.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #58)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:01 AM

71. How I learned to stop worrying and love the totalitarianism,

in 3 easy steps:

1- The first step is to admit that leftist pundits so reliable we can set our watches by them if we still wore watches are as full of baloney as Rush, Billo and Glenn. Glenn B that is.


2 - The next step is to realize that the only way to know what's actually going on after reading or hearing the news is to come here and check ProSense's threads. Well there are other ways I suppose but that's a good short cut.


3 - The last step is to figure out how to stop worrying and love DU without getting pissed off by certain other prominent threads and that one I'm still working on but I think we're all making progress so life is good.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #71)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:26 AM

79. 4 - watch as the surveillance/anti-"terrorism"/extra-judicial execution regime

Becomes the accepted norm and after a decade or so a true totalitarian becomes chief executive. Then we'll pine for the days when it was just complaints about water quality that could land you on a list.

If there is even a shred of the idealism within Obama that drew us to him then he has to be the one to end this madness. If he won't do it on his own then we must demand it be done because it is only a matter of time until a true authoritarian gets into office. The longer we tolerate this the longer it has a chance to insulate itself.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:41 PM

37. So the bad Iraq intel story ceased to be an issue somewhere around March 2004?

Boy, are we out of sync with the times!

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:49 PM

41. If it didn't get a cute nickname it's down the crapper.

I only remember the funny names like Yellowcake and mobile germ lab. The others I need to look up.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:52 PM

26. You'd think Congressional Republicans would be a little less... antagonistic

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:05 PM

30. I think Alex Jones said that too

So it is not DU/PC to say that.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #30)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:07 PM

32. Thanks that's basically what I was trying to explain to Manny just above.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #30)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:42 PM

38. Hitler was a vegetarian, ergo vegetarians are Nazis.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #38)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:08 AM

53. Exactly! Life is so much simpler that way

I don't have to think anymore... whoopie.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:12 PM

34. It's the same old "I'm the decider, and I decide what is best" mentality

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:24 PM

35. It's a great combo!

Remember those pictures of Stalin, looking so serious at his desk?

I'm told that he was marking people on lists to be shipped off to Siberia to be slave labor and sized for coffins.

We're just skipping the middle step and doing it by remote control...Progress, Comrade!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:47 PM

40. What secret kill list? (Please excuse the newbie)

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Response to Jarla (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:57 PM

46. Hi Jarla, he's talking about the drone story that came out last May.

The one that launched a thousand chips, so to speak.

p.s. welcome!

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #46)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:00 AM

48. Hi! Thanks!

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Response to Jarla (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:57 PM

47. This kill list

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all

Apparently if a story is more than a week old it is a non story.

Look forward...



(One of these days I expect a real memory hole)

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #47)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:01 AM

50. Thank You!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:53 PM

44. I heard they had three kill lists.

Don't take the GABA agonist, you want to be alert at all times.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:02 AM

51. I wonder if the secret kill list will make it to The List.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:17 AM

55. Well, if you think we're in peacetime, we're not.

Might look like we're in peacetime, but in reality, we've never been, except perhaps for a few years at the beginning of the 20th century, and between the two world wars.

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Response to Amonester (Reply #55)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:20 AM

56. And a few years during the Clinton years

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #56)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:24 AM

57. Bosnia vs. Serbia...

And I'm not sure if any other sh*t war was on also.

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Response to Amonester (Reply #57)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:12 AM

86. His first term

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:34 AM

59. This is a problem. Perhaps the biggest threat to the US since confederation.

It's "bipartisan", it's promoted by the most powerful in both parties.
It can't be fixed with a *cough* debate, or a few crumbs thrown to appease. It's wrong, criminally wrong, and very very deeply rooted.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:44 AM

62. Read "The Way of the Knife". You have no idea.

"A Pulitzer Prize–winning reporter’s riveting account of the transformation of the CIA and America’s special operations forces into man-hunting and killing machines in the world’s dark spaces: the new American way of war

The most momentous change in American warfare over the past decade has taken place away from the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, in the corners of the world where large armies can’t go. The Way of the Knife is the untold story of that shadow war: a campaign that has blurred the lines between soldiers and spies and lowered the bar for waging war across the globe. America has pursued its enemies with killer drones and special operations troops; trained privateers for assassination missions and used them to set up clandestine spying networks; and relied on mercurial dictators, untrustworthy foreign intelligence services, and proxy armies.

This new approach to war has been embraced by Washington as a lower risk, lower cost alternative to the messy wars of occupation and has been championed as a clean and surgical way of conflict. But the knife has created enemies just as it has killed them. It has fomented resentments among allies, fueled instability, and created new weapons unbound by the normal rules of accountability during wartime."

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-way-of-the-knife-mark-mazzetti/1114036105?ean=9781594204807

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Response to wtmusic (Reply #62)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:58 AM

83. thanks for suggesting this



Cheerio

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:46 AM

63. K & R !!!


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:49 AM

64. What is the big deal

about a bunch of officials sitting around eating donuts, checking last night's sports scores on their i-phones while they decide who needs to be murdered based on private contractor derived intel?

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Response to noise (Reply #64)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:53 AM

65. Well, when you put it *that* way,

I'm heading straight for the GABA agonist!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:55 AM

66. It's shocking that Manny Goldstein has not already been killed by the Obama Death Squads

Given how effectively subversive he is!!!!

Sarcastic Third Wayism, FOREVAH!!!!

It's sooooooo dangerous.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:02 AM

67. Bad combo, yes, but....

.... a drop of sugar helps the medicine go down. What else can you do BUT chill?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:11 AM

70. They should subcontract it. The Mafia is good at this kind of thing....and cheaper than the CIA.

Flashier dressers and they know how to handle Whistle Blowers.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #70)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:23 AM

78. Not anymore

Cosa Nostra (Mafia) is on a down swing.


Ndrengheta in Italy is more good old boy by Italian standards. And it literally comes out of the Southern Mountain Regions there. IE No hair gel. That will get a man's ass whooped in my husband's home town in Calabria.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:03 AM

72. HOPE you aren't on the "list" and CHANGE your phone number often. nt

PB

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:43 AM

73. Manny, please correct me if I am wrong here~

You said

So the White House definitely has a secret kill list.

And is likely secretly recording every phone conversation and email we send.

Both are unprecedented in the US, certainly in peacetime.


Are we not still at war? In Afghanistan? Recently ended the war in Iraq? We are both talking about Bushcos war? The one that was paid for on a credit card. There infinity limit wrought havoc on our economy. They crashed it. Everyone runs around and says the bankers killed us. Well sorry the Bush administration caused this havoc!
Both are unprecedented in the US, certainly in peacetime.


We are at Peace while we are still at war!??!How can that be?
And if you will, please post the link to the secret kill lists~ Thanks!



I am a little confused by your statement?!??!

I look forward to your clarifications. sheshe2

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #73)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:10 AM

75. Technically, the US doesn't go to war anymore. That meme is only used

to whip up nationalistic jingoism that supports international adventures whose purpose is the acquisition of resources and treasure for corporations.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #73)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:29 AM

87. You're right, and I'm doubly wrong

We are kinda at war, so you're right about that.

What I specifically had in mind was the censoring of letters between military and family during WWII. Obama's programs are infinitely more invasive than the WWII program. So I'll update the OP to simply state "unprecedented", rather than have the wartime qualifier.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #73)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:31 PM

91. You forgot to close your bold tag. n/t

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:16 AM

76. Can you tell me

If I'm on it?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:49 AM

82. It keeps you safe - until they don't like you - then your death keeps someone else safe

See?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:27 AM

84. kill for peace...!!!

sorry .....that`s so 60`s.

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