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Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:13 PM

Dear fellow lefties. Before that last few weeks had anyone ever accused you of racism?


Just curious. I'd never before heard of anyone ever accusing a left winger of racism.

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Reply Dear fellow lefties. Before that last few weeks had anyone ever accused you of racism? (Original post)
sibelian Jun 2013 OP
JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #1
bemildred Jun 2013 #2
allin99 Jun 2013 #12
bemildred Jun 2013 #24
liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #3
villager Jun 2013 #6
Progressive dog Jun 2013 #41
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #4
quinnox Jun 2013 #5
bahrbearian Jun 2013 #58
sibelian Jun 2013 #96
baldguy Jun 2013 #102
Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #7
Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #64
Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #66
Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #76
backscatter712 Jun 2013 #83
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1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #130
AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #8
liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #14
Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #9
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #23
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HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #33
allin99 Jun 2013 #42
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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:14 PM

1. Yep

I've been accused of that by white folks several times in my life for pointing out when they are being idiots or stereotyping.


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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:14 PM

2. Only on DU. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:25 PM

12. It was everywhere in 08, all over the web, most people...

didn't have the guts to say it to people's faces, thankfully for that, or maybe not cuz if they had surely someone woulda punched them in their face (but they certainly said it in person when using the 3rd person constantly inferring that anyone who didn't support obama was racist).

i used to campaign with 1 indian guy, 1 chinese woman and 1 white woman, and i'm of color, and we had all been called racist by maybe april of 2008.

(i take that back, not the chinese woman, now that i recall, i don't remember her mentioning it to me, probably because she didn't partake in politics online, but the others of us were very taken aback and it had been the first time we had ever been accused of it. i was called a self hating black multiple times).

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Response to allin99 (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:31 PM

24. Nobody has ever said it to my face.

I would not recommend it.

However, I'm a totally WASP male and I grew up in LA in the 50s and 60s and I have no qualms about admitting I learned racism and sexism and all that growing up and I am still unlearning it. I expect to be unlearning that stuff the rest of my life.

And I believe you.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:17 PM

3. it seemed to coincide with the NSA scandal. It's kind of weird. Why did this one scandal

make some so desperate to defend Obama that they would take up calling DUers racist?

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:18 PM

6. Because what the NSA itself is doing is indefensible.

They have no basis for a calm, non-incendiary "defense," so instead, wildly thrash about with any accusations they can muster....

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:47 PM

41. The NSA scandal following the Boston Marathon bombing

When Gov. Patrick and the Feds. were attacked for locking down the city, violating civil rights of the citizens.
IMO it mostly echoes the Paul libertarian anarchy crap.
Gov. Patrick and Barack Obama are the same race.


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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:17 PM

4. Nope, but I have been called anti Semite

Which was also funny.

It is what it is...a sign desperation.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:18 PM

5. this is a recycled and cheap tactic from the BOGers actually. They did this in 2008 as well when

 

Hillary and Obama were dueling. "You racist!" was a common refrain from them back then too, if you were a Hillary supporter.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:39 PM

58. Yup

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Response to quinnox (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 06:10 AM

96. I vaguely remember that.


Presumbly Obama supporters were "sexist"?

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Response to quinnox (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:00 AM

102. I remember that too.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:19 PM

7. It was inferred I was racist for commenting that

always resorting to a call of racism does us a disservice during 2012 election.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:23 PM

64. Ironically, "leftist racism" is a recent/current RW talking point.

But labeling "fellow" progressives who found common cause through 2 presidential elections as "racist" smacks to me of a desperation beyond mere false association.

Being pro-2A I'm used to being called a RW shill or spouting NRA talking points but it was amazing to see the speed at which the racism" label was slapped-on. If the pushback is so fast and so severe as to require that level of escalation in order to protect whatever it is they're defending then it says to me this is a tantamount admission as to the seriousness of the charge.

Accusing critics of racism will not serve the defenders' purpose, it will only exaggerate the consequences once the consequences inevitably come do. Those who stood on principle will not be mollified, they will be insulted. They will still demand a full accounting, as they must, and appeals for leniency will likely fall on deaf ears after they were shown nothing but dishonesty and discourtesy.

Worse, those who have always opposed the President will have been given a golden opportunity to grind their axes and any effort to disconnect them from accounting will be brushed away with a mere, "Oh, you always say that."

Those crying racism are doing themselves -- and in fact, all of us -- a tremendous disservice. They should come to their better senses and quickly.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #64)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:37 PM

66. Excellent summary.

There seems to be something underneath these accusations that I can't help but notice. It also appears to be ever increasing, finding any opportunity to silence and marginalize not just opposing views and positions but valid concerns. It is an air of authoritarianism.

We had no problem seeing this during the Bush regime but some can't now and worse, it has been adopted as a tactic not only to throw at the other side but to keep us in line within our own party "you are either with us, or against us".

There is nothing liberal, or progressive about this attitude and I think it lies at the heart of the nastiness we have been seeing lately.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #66)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:27 PM

76. I'm hesitant to call it authoritarianism.

Perhaps that grants a degree of charitableness that our accusers refuse to return but I believe it is more a matter of fear than authoritarian impulse.

I think they fear -- rightly -- that if the NSA or similar controversy proves true then the Progressive cause will be set on its heels. They are right. It will. But to cover wrongdoing with mantles of false accusations of the worst sort against genuine, sincere critics will only worsen the consequences, as I stated previously.

If any of these controversies proves to be unprecedented and unconstitutional we can either clean our own house and pay for it in the next 2 election cycles or we can resort to nastiness, name-calling and bitter spitefulness and pay for it for the next 2 decades while we tear our own bloc into shreds with endless recriminations.

Which course would the RW want us to take?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #76)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:12 AM

83. Authoritarianism is a fear-based impulse.

People with high levels of authoritarianism fear the Other, so they attack reflexively, they set up power structures and rules, and get insanely aggressive when they get challenged.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #66)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:10 AM

82. Authoritarianism is exactly what it is.

When certain events happen, like Snowden, but also Julian Assange, Bradley Manning, Occupy, these authoritarian scumfucks come out of the work and relentlessly spam the board with their bullshit, and feel justified to attack anyone who stands against them.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #64)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 05:41 PM

130. Actually ...

The "leftist racism" claim is quite a bit older than the rw "recent/current" usage ... It's just it was coming from folks that the left loves to ignore in matters of race.

I refer you to:

1851: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/sojtruth-woman.asp

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:21 PM

8. No, this is the first time

I've also been accused of hate in the last week. All because I dare hold Obama's feet to the fire, as he asked us to do.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:26 PM

14. He did ask us to hold his feet to the fire. Some on here act as if he is so fragile he can't handle

it. Or maybe they're just so paranoid about the next election they think suppressing any criticism will ensure a democratic victory. Either way they are wrong. Obama is strong enough to hear criticism, and in order to have a strong democracy we must have dissidence and accountability.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:23 PM

9. Never, except on DU. Of course, I've been critical of this President for a long time. n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:30 PM

23. Don't forget Rush Limbaugh, he does it all the time. But he's a clown, and a right winger whose

job is to slam Liberals with what, as Rove said, their 'strongest policies' and try to turn them against them.

I give those doing this the same credence I give Limbaugh.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:43 PM

36. Two sides of the same brass coin. I never listen to any of them.

 

I had such great hopes for about a month following the 2008 election.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:53 PM

45. Yes, and such tactics from Limbaugh never had much effect on liberals speaking out against bad

policies, and they won't coming, supposedly anyhow, from the left. Which makes you wonder why they don't find some new tactics to try to silence people.

Obama is responsible for the policies of his administration. Nothing can change that. And some of them are Bush policies, which he himself admitted last week 'I have kept some of Bush's policies'.

It's a desperate last effort to shut people up, and it will work about as well as such efforts ever work.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:24 PM

10. yes, and they might have been right

newsflash: left wingers can be racist and the idea that they can't is imho absurd.

I would like to make a distinction however between legitimate accusations and bogus accusations. Because I'm assuming this is about the people accusing Obama critics here of being racist, which is 100% bogus.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:39 PM

33. Story from a long time ago and a galaxy far, far away. Back in 1977, I was a first-year

 

student at the U. of Missouri. My philosophy 101 TA was a Communist and, while he did not openly proselytize the class, he did not hide his ideology from us. At one point, he announced that the CP chapter on campus would be protesting the speech of a South African political dignitary because of South Africa's apartheid policies. Now, I was just a teenager fresh from Missouri's Bible Belt and I barely even knew what South Africa was, much less apartheid. But I like to think I knew right from wrong and so I went to the protest as an interested spectator.

When I arrived at the Student Union, I saw a small group of 8-9 protesters carrying signs that opposed South African apartheid marching in a small circle using a handheld microphone. I clapped and cheered them on but did not join the circle myself, probably because I was only starting to get exposure to progressive thought. (What is interesting and ironic in retrospect is that no one from MU's Black Student Union showed up at this protest at least in an official capacity. As I recall, however, the protesters were mixed race and mixed gender.)

From this episode, I have always understood a core organizing principle of anyone on the left is to be and to stand against racism. You can't be a racist and be on the left. The two cancel one another out and you'd go up in a puff of smoke were you to try to be both at the same time. I have also come to expect that Commies and Socialists (of whom I count myself one) will be at the forefront of social change, at least 20 years ahead of what we call 'liberal thought'.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:49 PM

42. yup, liberal can be. that's what i learned the past couple of years, esp. the ones calling people...

racist.

here were all these people calling people racist online, you could go to their facebook and look and their "friends", and what a surprise, allllllll white. and they were the ones crying racism the loudest.

when i go into bars in the east village in nyc (young and hip), i am often the only person of color, unless i'm with a friend of color, then it's 2 of us. gee, no one just happen to be hanging out with their friends of color that day? i don't think so. they weren't *all* racist of course, but how the heck did i end up with so many friends of color? so it's not like people of color are not around. hmmm. it's b/c a lot of people see people of color differently and not one of their kind. the same way they see obama's color first and everything else second, which is why they're saying it's all about racism. <- much more likely the racists.

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Response to allin99 (Reply #42)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:40 PM

80. You judge whether or not someone is racist

by the color of their Facebook friends?

How fascinating. You should apply for a federal grant to test the accuracy of your technique - I mean, wow. What a breakthrough. You wouldn't even have to meet someone to determine whether or not they are racist. Just scan their friends on Facebook. You'd have to figure out how to account for all the people who prefer not to post photos of themselves, but I'm sure you could figure it out.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:24 PM

11. No, never.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:25 PM

13. "I'd never before heard of anyone ever accusing a left winger of racism."

Right off the top of my head I can think of Helen Thomas and Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 05:34 AM

94. Well, I'm sure your right, I'm not from the US.


I'm in the UK. I'm genuinely just curious. Race issues in the UK are very different.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:26 PM

15. Oh and by the way

Not in regards to the NSA scandal -

But back in the AA forum onpatrol98 pointed out the obvious-

There is a 'certain' liberal that is only comfortable with us black folk when we are poor, prostate, humbled, ignorant, uneducated, etc. etc.

We see it all of the time in our lives. If this is not you - then you have no worries. No need to say - But I'm not racist.

Also - in order to avoid this being lodge at you - don't post about your black friend in 1973. That will invite ridicule and mockery in the 'shadows' because most black folks learn by the age of say - ohhhhh - 2 or 3 that it is more likely that David Duke with marry a black jewish woman than it would be for this person to EVER admit that they sound like an ignorant dumb fuck.

No seriously - that's what is being used to describe people making these comments (I had a black boyfriend and I hit it 30 years ago) in pms. Dumb fuck. It's appropo.

Twice in one week I'm posting this - If PM's could talk.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:29 PM

19. Huh?

"There is a 'certain' liberal that is only comfortable with us black folk when we are poor, prostate, humbled, ignorant, uneducated, etc. etc. "

I'm going to copy and paste that for you again so that you can see what that person wrote.

ETA: changed it from "you" to what "that person" wrote. Dear God have we sunk this far?
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Response to Aerows (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:33 PM

27. Yep

I said it - and I meant it. Or is this thread for only white folks to add their two cents to? I'm not the only one - onpatrol98 said it first. Check out the African American group. We are here - just hidden in the shadows.


And right back at ya!


"There is a 'certain' liberal that is only comfortable with us black folk when we are poor, prostate, humbled, ignorant, uneducated, etc. etc. "

I'm going to copy and paste that for you again so that you can see what you wrote.



I said it.

I meant it.

Now what are you going to do for me stating something is a fair analysis - regarding the 'certain' liberal. Alert?

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #27)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:36 PM

31. Okay

Go for it. Feel free to alert.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:37 PM

32. No

You alert on me. You didn't like an African American stating their honest feelings.

Just this week someone alluded to me being a 'Nazi' and called me a Good German.


It was very funny. But it shows where people are at lately.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:40 PM

34. I am not into alerting or ignoring

I kind of like free discussion. Please feel free to open up, and I will agree or disagree with you freely based upon whether I agree or not.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:43 PM

35. I did open up

I just told a hard truth.

If you can't handle that truth - so be it.

But that specific liberal EXISTS. Whether you like it or not or are upset about it.

Oh this type - they'll smile in your face and take your vote. But when it comes down to dating their daughter. Big old snorty laugh and chuckle.

Now you know - this person exists.

You may do with it what you may.

And when you disagree with them . . . they call you a Nazi aka Good German.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:45 PM

38. I don't know what kind of bucket

you are trying to churn, but it doesn't carry any water.

You can take that however you like.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:52 PM

44. You started it

By calling me out.

You had no issue with anyone else on this thread? Just me?

And this very thread by sibelian? Really - another one. Mocking the Institution of Racism? And it IS an institution in America.


As long as people (not you ) keep bringing up the race card in mocking threads without admitting WHO PUT IT IN THE DECK OF CARDS IN THE FIRST PLACE then folks have a right to respond in any way they wish.


Because that's been the tone the past few days. Mocking. Light hearted and funny.

Let me tell you something - when I was five I came down to my parents garage at 11 Ashwood Drive in Scottsville NY on a Saturday morning to read scrawled on the walls: Keep America Clean - Kill All the Niggers.

This is 1978 in a suburb of Rochester NY. It remains on my mother's garage today as a reminder of the TRUE FACE of one's neighbors. You are welcome to stop by her home and view it - you can see it through the garage windows.


If one has a story like that (and I have others) - then these "Oh cutesy wootsie but I'm sweet and innocent and racism is funny" threads are NOT funny.

The joke isn't funny anymore DU. It's not funny anymore. So stop.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:55 PM

46. I called you out

because you were full of it. And I'd call anyone out for that reason, and have. You clearly aren't familiar with my post history if you think it wasn't directly because of what you posted.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:00 PM

48. I don't know you for jesus

But ONCE again -

I meant it.

It's true.

And you don't know MY history or the history of many of the black folk at DU if you think this thread is FUNNY.

This thread isn't funny.

And neither was MannyGoldsteins.


And if you have NEVER been Black in Liberal Circles - you haven't experienced it. I haaaaaaaaaaave. As did my mixed race parents. And my white husband.


If you REALLY don't think there are (my mother's phrase) Lily White Liberals in this world - then you are naive. I'm sorry. Yep - it's name calling. But you said I'm full of shit. So I'm using naive.

Just because one of them has never showed their TRUE face to you - doesn't mean that they don't exist.

And again - these joking threads are not funny anymore.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:03 PM

50. Get a grip

I'll be happy to help, but I can't do it while I'm being upbraided for things I never said, did or thought.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #50)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:03 PM

52. Hugs and Kisses

Love and Light.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #52)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:04 PM

54. It's better

than Thumps and Hisses.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #48)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:43 AM

86. Killed it, darling. KILLED IT



And it's funny, as much as Malcolm, MLK, Cornel West, bell hooks, Tim Wise, Melissa Harris Perry, Michael Eric Dyson, hell even Chuck D of Public Enemy talk about white liberal racism, that NO ONE in all of General Discussion has any idea about it. NO ONE. But that sure as hell explains so many of these threads.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #86)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:30 AM

97. It's our burden

Its our burden.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:00 AM

103. Mind explaining what that actually means?

 

There is a 'certain' liberal that is only comfortable with us black folk when we are poor, prostate, humbled, ignorant, uneducated, etc. etc.

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Response to East Coast Pirate (Reply #103)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:28 AM

107. Nope

Figure it out on your own. There's plenty of documentation on it.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #107)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:55 AM

110. Nope.

 

Right or wrong, you made the accusation. It's not up to me to prove your point for you.

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Response to East Coast Pirate (Reply #110)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:42 AM

113. Tough

Number23 already gave reference.

Stick around for more than a year . . . You'll find I don't step and fetch - for anyone.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #113)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:35 AM

119. Who asked you to be an Uncle Tom?

 

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Response to East Coast Pirate (Reply #119)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:09 PM

124. Well there's a classic.

Saw this gem a number of times (right here on teh DU) as a back handed reference to the POTUS.


But hey, what's wrong with a little righteous "criticism."

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #124)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:16 PM

127. Have folks been calling Obama an Uncle Tom?

I truthfully don't get what the hell he is talking about. I've missed half the NSA and Snowden threads because I trashed the subject lines.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #127)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:31 PM

128. Its been awhile

Around 2008, but it was a big ole joke then too.

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Response to East Coast Pirate (Reply #119)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:12 PM

126. What are you talking about?

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #113)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 06:07 PM

132. In the words of "Coach Herman Boone" ...

Denzel's role in Remember The Titians.

I don't scratch lest I itch and I don't dance lest I like the music!

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

16. Yep. Right here because of an auto complete snafu.

Took a picture of the phone doing it again and he still refused to apologize.

ETA

Went to graduate school up north and because of my accent you'd be surprised how many people thought I wear a pillow case on my head every weekend.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

17. No

It's a new phenomenon. I disagreed with the President on something. Elizabeth Warren is a racist hater, too, BTW.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

18. Yes, Rush Limbaugh! Lol! It's a Limbaugh tactic to call all Liberals 'racists'.

I wonder what his DU name is?? Just kidding!

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:29 PM

20. 2008 primaries.

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Response to rug (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:41 PM

67. I think its...

nastier here now than it was then. Cant wait for 2016.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:30 PM

21. Not once.

Not ever.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:30 PM

22. No. Just being a republican or general hater.

 

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:32 PM

25. never

Now I'm a racist Nazi whatever because I dared to question what's going on

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:34 PM

28. Someone called me a

Good German in a PM!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:57 PM

47. You see how

disruptive this is? That's why I called your shit out. Because it is out on a tangent dialogue.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:03 PM

51. It is not disruptive

It's the truth.

Everyone knows what 'Good German' is and is in reference too. Nazis. I took it under consideration and advisement.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #28)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:55 AM

116. You can alert that PM.

There is a way to alert PMs still, isn't there? If someone is calling you that in a PM, you can alert it. I think that goes right to admins.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #116)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:59 AM

117. I don't alert on

Personal attacks on myself. I hit back with petulance and sarcasm

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #28)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 05:59 PM

131. You only got called a "good German" in a PM?

I got called a "Muslim piece of fucking shit" in a PM. People say all kinds of stupid stuff. You should alert like I did.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:32 PM

26. Not personally, though I've seen it done to others.

Usually a debate tactic, a way to marginalize.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:35 PM

29. When you can not refute an argument...

call them names.

Rule 1 of the Playground Guide to Conflict Resolution.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:35 PM

30. No, these blanket smears of anyone critical of the NSA was my first time

I equate it to being called a terrorist sympathizer for criticizing Bush**: it's laughable and reflects badly on the source.

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Response to magellan (Reply #30)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:44 PM

37. republicans called us anti-American and communist. That didn't bother me.

This doesn't bother me either. No one will ever silence me.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:45 PM

39. That flag gets briefly flown once in awhile in times of desperation

This time it's full-tilt-boggie-circle-the-wagons-scandal-shutdown mode.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:46 PM

40. England? Oh, bloody hell.

What time is it over there?

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #40)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:34 AM

87. SCOTLAND, SIR, I THINK YOU'LL FIND!!!!!!!!!


GR, RARGH, GR, GR, GR, GR, ETC!!!





lol

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:49 PM

43. All the time....and not just here.....

The most common is the old RW "reverse racism" accusation. Saying "You hate white people" is just racism by a different meme.

RWers best talent is one for projecting their own failings on others.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:00 PM

49. Considering how much I've had to cope with being on the receiving end, not been an issue.

Not in real life.

It is a very cynical tactic, just another prod to keep the herd in line.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:04 PM

53. The apologists have yet to provide one single shred of evidence.

They are full of shit.
And a good argument can be made that by their false claims of racism, they are racists for disrespecting real victims of racial prejudice.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:06 PM

55. no...especially not towards the president

since i am also black. however, i understand the desperation of the third wayers, since it is increasing clear that they are only differ with republicons in terms of style, not substance.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:07 PM

56. Me, never.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:15 PM

57. It's been implied a few times.

I said something nice about Hillary Clinton during the '08 primary and another DUer suggested my support of her was because she was white (I actually was a DK supporter, I just happened to say something nice about her).

Before that, if I remember right, someone took exception to my comment that we should NOT "Free Tookie".

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:46 PM

59. Yes. I was accused by many "liberals" as being a racist for supporting Hillary.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:46 PM

60. No, never gave anyone reason to, but was aghast at the implicit bias test results

My family is biracial, I'm a lifelong leftie, my main volunteer activity is as a board member of an organization for mixed-race people, so how could I possibly be racially biased? (Which isn't the same thing as "being a racist" but is related.) So I took various implicit bias tests from this website at Harvard.

I was AGHAST to learn that white=good, black=bad, and white and black= Americans but Native American= foreigners had gotten embedded in my psyche from early childhood and that shit was still in there regardless of the purity of my conscious thoughts.

Even more creepy was discovering via reading on the subject that this poison seeps into the brains of black people just as much as whites. To the extent that there is such a thing as racial bias among black people, it's more likely to be self-hatred based on lifelong exposure to subliminal anti-black propaganda than anything anti-white. Since all three of my nieces are biracial, the horror of this realization hit very close to home.

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #60)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 04:08 AM

91. I've had a look at that test.


There are so many things wrong with it I've no idea where to start...

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Response to sibelian (Reply #91)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 06:00 AM

95. there is plenty more research on that subject

but despite having agreed with and been supportive of everything you've said about NSA and all the distracting tactics, I consider my effort to shed some light in this heated thread to have been a waste of time in light of your casual, uninformative, dismissal, and won't discuss race here with anyone again

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #95)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:49 AM

98. Oh, well...


I don't understand why you're so angry with me, but if that's how you feel, well I can't see that I can do anything about it.

I can't see why you think the thread is heated. What we have is a series of people relating their experiences.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #98)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:41 AM

109. I like you and am angry that troll-feeding threads like this now outnumber the troll threads

The griefers who have thrown the word racism out as a divisive tactic vis-a-vis the NSA are enjoying every minute of the I'm not a racist reactive threads. If ProSense and KittyWampus said NSA opponents were all vegans, we'd see a hundred "I eat meat" and "I eat chicken" threads in outraged denials.

I've had to put over a hundred RW trolls on ignore in the past couple of weeks. Their outright demagoguery on race in the past couple of days is almost the most disgusting thing I've seen in 11 years of DU. But the way they have the whole community wrapped around their little fingers reacting to their stupid provocations ultimately outdoes it. Why are all the good people here wasting all of their time reacting to griefers they ought to put on ignore like I do?

There's no getting away from them, please stop feeding them.

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #109)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:37 AM

112. I see. Thank you.


I have to say that they are certainly bringing out the worst in me.

I think it's a shame that you don't want to talk about race here, or, presumably, to me, but it's not my place to tell you what to talk about.

I didn't realise you thought the stirrers were as manipulative as all that. I suppose I thought they were posting in some kind of good faith...

I will take your advice on board.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #112)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:51 PM

122. I do want to discuss race, but not in context of NSA culpability

where it's irrelevant and a deliberate distraction. Do have a post coming up about the reddest states actually being the whitest, yet the blackest states always getting scapegoated when the trolls start up their regional divisiveness machine.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:47 PM

61. Sort of.

I wasn't accused of actual racism, but of exhibiting "white privilege" when I said certain comments by Andrew Cuomo and Bob Kerrey in 2008 weren't racist.

Of course, if anyone saw me, they'd realize how ridiculous the white privilege charge would be.

I also remember that when Obama lost the New Hampshire primary, some national columnist speculated about a Bradley effect-- essentially calling a whole bunch of New Hampshire Democrats racists.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:04 PM

62. Limbaugh used to do that all the time.

It is a diversion (Red Herring) that propagandists use to hijack the discussion
and take the focus off of whatever truth is being exposed.

I laughed at Limbaugh then,
and I laugh at the desperate *****s that tried the same tactic here yesterday.
They deserve each other.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:19 PM

63. Sort of.

Only right wing white dudes that insisted I hated white people because I'm not a right winger. Other than that, nope.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:33 PM

65. yeh, frenchiecat made these accusations long ago..

just one of the many reasons I finally put her on ignore.

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Response to frylock (Reply #65)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:33 AM

85. It's why I've had her on ignore for many years

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:41 PM

68. I've seen the Clintons accused of racism. Also, many outspoken supporter of gay rights.

 

I think its mostly white people making the accusations, trying to stir shit up with minorities.

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Response to The Link (Reply #68)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:13 PM

71. Bill annoyed the hell out of me in 2008 but I didn't blame Hillary

any redneck can hear that dog whistle, and I heard it then, the appeal to racist voters by the Clinton campaign

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #71)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:16 PM

73. Well, I'm not a redneck, but I heard the homophobe dog whistle from the Obama campaign.

 

And I do blame him.

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Response to The Link (Reply #73)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:26 PM

75. amen!

Michelle and the girls were way ahead of him on that front

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #75)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:27 PM

77. True...as was his VP.

 

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:02 PM

69. Enough with the martyring

How many are going to take the issues as personally "accusing me" of racism? The subject comes up and the person changes it to being about how dare you accuse poor little old me of racism?

I'm white and I think I'm not a racist, but I can discuss the subject without taking it personally. I don't think I am being accused of racism personally, but that there may be some issues regarding it.

With the first black president there is going to be a question and there is the concept of black executive syndrome, and I do see that happening, whether consciously or subconsciously - white people need to question themselves rather than take the martyr route.

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Response to treestar (Reply #69)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:15 PM

72. I didn't think they were referring to DUers in recent threads.

I thought the comments were about the population at large. At least that is the way I took it.

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Response to treestar (Reply #69)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:43 AM

88. Well...


It isn't at all difficult to rebrand a conversational or argumentative stance as driven by excessive emotion and thus, presumbly, to be ignored. I don't think objecting to being called a racist for expressing a position that clearly isn't racist is "martyring". I think it's "objecting".

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Response to treestar (Reply #69)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 05:11 AM

93. Nailed it

Folks are taking critical analysis of the world a minority group lives in personally.

By trying to silence that group and tell us we are cray cray for being honest with ourselves and others - it actually does harm to ones relations with that group.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:03 PM

70. Yes. Going through Peace Corps 1 wk orientation before shipping out

Being honest I told the interviewer that of course I notice gender, age, hair color, skin, color, other physical characteristics of people but I do the best I can at not letting any of that impact how Inview or treat the person. She wrote "admits is a racist" on her form and I wa uninvited. After obtaining letters of recommendtion from a wide groupmof people, they still said no.

I later found out 8 of 10 nurses were uninvited and they ended up airlifting the remainder out of the country witin 6 months after a military coup (Liberia).

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:16 PM

74. I didn't know it meant DUers. Thought the recent threads

were about the population at large.

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Response to Rex (Reply #74)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:47 AM

90. Hm!


I'm not sure how much you've been on the site.

There is certainly a problem in tracking cause and effect from one OP to another, but it was fairly clear to me from the people doing the "it's racism" posts were leaping from the anti-surveillance threads into "you hate Obama and, thus, black people" threads.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #90)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:08 PM

129. I missed that at first, I was assuming we were talking about

Republicans.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:31 PM

78. "The racism of low expectations."

"Welfare keeps black people down."

Stuff like that.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:38 PM

79. Like someone has already

said above me...

Only on DU.


There's really lots of pathetic irony here.


People here who are supposed to be tolerant..."liberal"... have actually treated me, in some instances, worse than some of the Republicans they so love to accuse of being intolerant, miserable assholes.

I've had RW neighbors for 17 years who have NEVER said some of the things that alleged "liberals" have said to me here.

So. While I don't vote Republican, I refuse to stand by in silence while some so-called "liberals" badmouth everyone on the Right.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:05 AM

81. Yes, in 2008 I was accused of racism for supporting Obama.

The idea was, "The only reason you're supporting him is that he's black."

I don't think any of this was from the Clinton campaign, any more than the accusations directed at Clinton supporters were from the Obama campaign. It's just that each campaign had its True Believers. Their mindset is, "Our candidate is the best, and moreover is so obviously the best that no one could fail to see it. Anyone supporting any other candidate must have some impure motive, something not related to the merits, such as racism."

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:29 AM

84. There was alot of it thrown around during the primaries

It was just as miserable then.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:46 AM

89. Yes

Somebody told me I was racist because I voted for Obama.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 05:11 AM

92. Once

Once, for calling birthers a bunch of racists.

I still trying to wrap my head around that one. I call birthers racists, and that made me a racists somehow...

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:58 AM

99. Calling out racism is necessary.

Especially when DUrs start parroting the worst slurs against Obama from Alex Jones, Glenn Beckk & Tea Bagger world

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:59 AM

101. Actually yes.

But that was a misunderstanding. However, it did make me rethink my additude toward minorities.
However, I have known people who are very liberal and very racist. One person I knew was a Democrat and very liberal on every issue but constantly used a derogatory word to refer to African-Americans. Others I've known were great champions of equal and civil rights as long as they were 'helping the oppressed' masses. But then couldn't handle a minority or woman as an equal or superior.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:00 AM

104. You weren't around for the Great 2008 Primary Wars?

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:01 AM

105. Of course. If you dare question any claim of racism, you must be racist.

Ipso facto.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:17 AM

106. No, but that's all they got left. Total, despicable sign of desperation to change the subject.

 

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:34 AM

108. No, but I have often been accused of anti-semitism

 

Because you can't support human rights for the Palestinians without being motivated by antisemitism, don't ya know.

In any event, it used to be an effective way to silence people, get them fired, and so on if they spoke up.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:58 AM

111. Yes

I've been accused a few times from people I come in contact with through work; not co-workers but members of the public that I deal with.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:47 AM

114. Yes, but only on DU.

When the LGBT community of DU protested having McClurkin speak at the inaugural in '08, we were called a "den of vipers" and compared to the KKK. To this day, there are one or two posters that swear up and down the LGBT community of DU is racist.

Anyone who supported Hillary in the primaries back then was called racist too. This is nothing new. This is just the first time the mainstream of DU has been charged, tried, found guilty of, and forevermore afterward been called racist.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:50 AM

115. Only when I criticized Barack Obama for including homophobes in his campaign and his

views on marriage, back in the day before he evolved.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:02 AM

118. Oh yes.

It's a long-time tactic of the unconditional anti-war left to smear anybody who disagrees with them as a racist on the premise that you must like the idea of killing brown people. The notion that you might possibly believe that there are legitimate and non-legitimate times and places to use military force is unthinkable....they seem to be confused that there are non-pacifist leftists.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:58 AM

120. In the last fifty years? Um, yeah.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:51 AM

121. Only in an appropriate context.

Back in the early 80s I was working with Women Against Violence Against Women. We put together a slide show of images from advertising and pornography - with one remarkably similar to the other aside from the explicit sex in the latter.

There was a black woman who was part of the group and she was upset at having to educate all of the good liberals all of the time. I don't know whether she actually used the word racist, but she properly put us in our place about the need to educate ourselves about the racism we weren't seeing in the images we were processing. That was a lesson I have carried with me since then - it is never the oppressed groups' obligation to educate others. It is a gift when they choose to - but those of us in the majority need to take the responsibility to educate ourselves.

In the areas of my life where I am not the majority (e.g. LGBT), I try to give the gift of education - but there are times I'm just too tired, I've done it too many times on the same issue, or I've just had a bad day. And then I use the alert button.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:12 PM

125. I was accused of being racist against African Americans on DU.

 

And I'm black!

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