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Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:35 PM

So 2016 will be a Clinton vs. a Bush?

Just kill me now.

God, I need a beer. And an opium chaser.

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Reply So 2016 will be a Clinton vs. a Bush? (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 OP
quinnox Jun 2013 #1
Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #2
nevergiveup Jun 2013 #3
Tx4obama Jun 2013 #4
DesertFlower Jun 2013 #5
Tx4obama Jun 2013 #13
DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #52
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #8
Demeter Jun 2013 #6
OhioChick Jun 2013 #7
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #9
OhioChick Jun 2013 #14
longship Jun 2013 #10
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #11
longship Jun 2013 #15
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #23
Lugnut Jun 2013 #38
Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #12
Beacool Jun 2013 #30
Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #35
TexasTowelie Jun 2013 #16
Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #17
Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #19
karynnj Jun 2013 #45
CK_John Jun 2013 #18
Fumesucker Jun 2013 #20
tularetom Jun 2013 #21
Marr Jun 2013 #22
Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #25
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #28
Marr Jun 2013 #37
leftstreet Jun 2013 #39
BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #41
Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #24
jberryhill Jun 2013 #26
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #29
jberryhill Jun 2013 #32
bigwillq Jun 2013 #27
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #31
Beacool Jun 2013 #33
Marr Jun 2013 #40
BlueCheese Jun 2013 #51
DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #53
delrem Jun 2013 #34
Rhymes With Orange Jun 2013 #36
treestar Jun 2013 #42
politicasista Jun 2013 #56
Jim Lane Jun 2013 #43
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #44
Beacool Jun 2013 #47
Beacool Jun 2013 #46
JackRiddler Jun 2013 #48
whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #49
Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #50
darkangel218 Jun 2013 #54
grasswire Jun 2013 #55

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:38 PM

1. I doubt it

 

Hillary, maybe. But not a Bush. Hell, no!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:43 PM

2. I'll vote for Max Baucus if it keeps another scumbag Bush out of office.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:44 PM

3. No, it will be Clinton vs. the thug from New Jersey

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:44 PM

4. I hope neither one.


When we have our first female president I would like our first one to be one that doesn't have a husband that has held elected office ever.



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:47 PM

5. how about kirsten gillibrand?

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Response to DesertFlower (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:55 PM

13. I like Gillibrand.


Her husband is a venture capitalist - at least he isn't a politician.

She will be 47 years old in December.
Seems a bit too young to me.

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Response to DesertFlower (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:03 PM

52. Better than Hillary

Not much better, but better.

I myself would rather see Janet Napolitano or Kathleen Sibelius come out of the shadows.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:50 PM

8. Me too, of course!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:48 PM

6. Over a lot of dead bodies

Maybe no one will run...the job is losing its status. Rapidly.

I know, I'm straining at gnats. I'd put up a Warren/Grayson or Grayson/Warren ticket, on a newly minted Peoples' Party, or 99% or something.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:50 PM

7. Hopefully neither n/t

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Response to OhioChick (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:51 PM

9. Have I ever told you...

... that I use your sig regularly in conversation?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:58 PM

14. Seems both parties are pulling the restraints pretty damn tight n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:51 PM

10. Who said?

The prognosticators of all prognosticators here at DU?

But I have it on high authority that it's going to be Liz Warren in 2016! Or is it Michelle Obama? I cannot remember which one. Well... Regardless, it's one of those three.

The DU prognosticators have spoken with complete accuracy, no doubt.

I think I'll consult Sylvia Browne. Maybe she knows for sure.

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Response to longship (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:53 PM

11. What nitwit said that Warren will be running?

She's a very difficult woman, you know.

Very unladylike.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:59 PM

15. She's going to be a great Senator.

If she runs for President in 2016, she'll not be such a great Senator. The question about a Warren presidency is yet to be answered.

That's all I have to say about it now.


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Response to longship (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:29 AM

23. I think she can win.

And it's her nature to try.

We'll see!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:32 AM

38. Oh yeah!

She's my kind of gal.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:53 PM

12. Puke.

 

Two douchebags.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:44 AM

30. Stay classy...........

Gee, might as well be at Free Republic.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #30)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:52 AM

35. Two of the worst things that could to make the US worse.

 

Both are puke worthy.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:59 PM

16. Hillary maybe,

but I'm thinking Rand Paul for the Repugnants. He has street cred as a libertarian, a racist and an asshole.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:03 AM

17. Howard Dean has said he might run if progressives are not being served.

So hold on. There is hope yet.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:06 AM

19. If Dean runs in the primary, he'll probably get my vote

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:13 AM

45. If he is running and has a chance of being the "not Hillary" in the primary, he has my vote

In 2003, I went back and forth between JK and Dean - and really admired both. I seriously think he would easily win my current state - VT.

By the way, you may like this article about a picnic on the 10th anniversary of the start of the 2004 campaign that will happen in Burlington. The front page article in The Burlington Free Press is nice. http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20130618/NEWS03/306180024/Howard-Dean-staff-mark-10th-anniversary-presidential-campaign

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:06 AM

18. Sen Gillibrand vs Christie will be card for 2015.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:09 AM

20. In a really masochistic way I kind of hope so

I spend far more time than is good for me reading and talking about politics, a Clinton/Bush redux would solve that particular problem completely.



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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:19 AM

21. Nobody named Bush or Clinton should be allowed within a 10 mile radius of the White House

I might actually sit that one out.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:26 AM

22. If the establishment chooses (as they always do), I expect so.

The illusion of choice has become incredibly threadbare in recent years. It's like they're not even trying anymore.

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Response to Marr (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:32 AM

25. Yes. The Establishment met in 2007 to determine who the next President should be.

And the Establishment determined that that person should be Barack Hussein Obama.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:42 AM

28. Back in 2007, a good friend of mine told me that this was actually the case

He told me that Obama had been anointed by the bankers, and that Gephardt had been paid off to give Obama his staff and that the fix was in, blah, blah, blah.

I was Probama at the time, and thought my buddy was nuts. And my buddy always sounds nuts, but usually ends up being right.

And here we are.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:30 AM

37. I remember Obama's big national debut at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.

Actually, I barely remember his actual speech, because it didn't impress me as being anything particularly... well, impressive.

But the entire corporate media was abuzz about this "new star of the Democratic Party" for days afterwards. They all went on with the same type of praise; 'this Obama guy is the future of the party', etc., etc. I remember telling my roommate at the time that Obama must be a Wall Street stooge for the corporate media to be so determined to make him the new definition of the left. I don't think I was particularly insightful or anything, but I do think I was right.

Hillary was the other candidate deemed "viable" by the corporate media months ahead of any primary vote. And that's who we got to choose between; two candidates that Wall Street found acceptable-- basically the same product in two different packages. That's your level of choice.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:40 AM

39. Once the Kennedys endorsed him, Hillary was toast

Am I the only one who remembers that?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:48 AM

41. Ever heard of Penny Pritzker?

He was her guy from way back. Roll that around on your tongue for a while.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:30 AM

24. I highly doubt that Jeb will be the Republican candidate.

But Hillary is the overwhelming favorite to get the Democratic nomination. So much so that just her running will result in many Democratic big names sitting out the primary.

However a "true progressive" such as Howard Dean might well blow Hillary away and grab the nomination. In the dreams of several DUers. Yeeeeeehaaaaaaaa!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:40 AM

26. You didn't like Rocky VI?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:43 AM

29. This is more like the 215th remake of Groundhog's Day

Oh Lord.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:48 AM

32. Ned Ryerson, is that you?

You know, repetitive things can indeed suck.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:41 AM

27. For the good of the country, I hope neither (nt)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:45 AM

31. There is a mayoral election

And a few city council seats. After that...there is an election? Or rather a dedazo.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:49 AM

33. How predictable this place is.

Hillary hasn't even announced whether she'll run or not. What I have no doubt though, is that if she does run, she will become the nominee. This is not 2008.

As for Jeb, no he won't be their nominee. The conservatives hate the Bushes almost as much as they hate the Clintons. They want a Tea Party candidate to be their standard bearer.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:42 AM

40. It doesn't really matter what they want.

The rich guys who own the party wanted Romney, so that's who they got. Rank and file conservatives hated Romney. Remember the whole "anyone but Romney" line? It doesn't matter what they want.

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Response to Marr (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:02 PM

51. It strikes me the GOP is good at nominating the least insane of their candidates.

Romney, McCain, Dole, etc. were actually a lot more palatable than people lile Huckabee, Pat Robertson, Ron Paul, etc.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:08 PM

53. No, this is not 2008

Where people still had enough of a reason to care about the country that we were willing to try going in a prgressive direction for once.

Now, we know Hillary will just find a kinder, gentler way to screw us over, and if she tries not, Billy will put her in line, just like he corrected Obama about Syria,and just like he is fixing the Trans canda pipeline, no, wait a minute, that will be Hillary's job.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:52 AM

34. Wouldn't that mean that Dems haven't learned *ANY* lessons?

That there wasn't a grassroots movement to change course, and to refuse to listen to bullshit lying rhetoric? To at least give it a shot?

I don't think the US has any more chances if it doesn't do a 180 right NOW. That means there needs to be grassroots primarying starting right now, to find and fund candidates. Concrete action. Which progressive doesn't know that most incumbents, esp. those highest in the system, are gaming the American people? There's a shitload of terrible, terrible incumbents who need to be replaced if there's to be any change. That means being courageous, having the courage of your convictions and *believing* in the win. And it means starting NOW.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:12 AM

36. No more Bushs, No more Clintons! nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 06:48 AM

42. 2014

Matters.

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Response to treestar (Reply #42)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:15 PM

56. +1 n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:49 AM

43. The silver lining to a Clinton candidacy

If she runs, Andrew Cuomo won't.

If she doesn't run, Cuomo will run and, IMO, is more likely than anyone else to get the nomination.

Cuomo stood up for marriage equality but has no other redeeming qualities. So here's my prediction, Manny: If Cuomo is elected President, then, by Midsummer's Day of 2017, you will be here on DU bemoaning Hillary's decision not to run.

Right now you may think that's inconceivable. Trust me, Cuomo in the White House will make a believer out of you.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:08 AM

44. That's a really good point.

Hillawar would keep the field clear of the other Third Wayers. And Hillawar can be easily beaten by an FDR Democrat (or a pretend one in the case of 2008).

Run Hillawar, run!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:40 PM

47. Hillawar?

Can you at least be respectful of fellow Democrats and not act like this is Free Republic?

As for Warren, I hope she stays in the Senate a good long time because she's needed. But, only the Left wants her to run in 2016. You're all dreaming if you think that she would even have a sliver of a chance of becoming president.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:36 PM

46. I know what you mean.

I'm no big fan of Cuomo either.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:46 PM

48. "O death, when will you come?" (Liz Lemon)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:48 PM

49. The neocon terraforming is unfinished

Prepare yourselves.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:00 PM

50. The epic battle of "The Lessers of Two Evils". New Dem vs Old Repug.

Should be quite a show...if you're a fan of farce.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:11 PM

54. I would offer you a beer, but i only have Coors :p and some dont consider it alcohol

Here it is anyway :p


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:18 PM

55. I just read that Howard Dean is considering a run.

I would fully, fully support Howard Dean!

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