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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI hope the south does break away
Just so I can quit seeing the whiny posts about how the south is responsible for every problem in the nation.
I'm so sick of seeing whinyass Californians and New Englanders whining and crying about the south..FINE...LETS GO OUR SEPERATE WAYS
I don't give a shit how bad it could be...it can't be worse than the constant whining here about us and how fucked up we are.
FUCK THE NORTH
You want us to divorce?...SOUNDS GOOD TO ME..I'm tired of listening to our whiny ass northern half constantly bitching and whining and telling everyone how great the world would be if they could just get rid of us southerners.
If you don't like us I have a clue..YOU can leave...you don't need us to leave..you can and I hope to God will leave
cali
(114,904 posts)so thanks for the fuck you. really appreciate it.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Maybe this is directed at the people who bash the South.
Mariana
(14,830 posts)That would seem to apply to everyone who lives there.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)FUCK NORTH!!!
...and all his little pissant buddies from Iran/Contra!
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Hit the North!
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)Just like it hurts to read two ro ten threads a week saying fuck the south
Mariana
(14,830 posts)Honestly, this is a fucking message board, on the fucking internet. I've yet to find any message board on the internet that is devoid of ignoramuses, assholes, bigots of various kinds, etc, etc. I'm not going to get upset about the bullshit some dumbasses post on this particular one. Why should you?
For the record, I've spent many more years living in the South (in four different states) than in the North (in three different states).
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)Get over it
cali
(114,904 posts)bobby
See the op? I have gotten over the region guilt...I am a southerners and if people want us to leave I am good with it.I am tired of hearing how great the country would be if we would leave.let's do it.split the country in two...fuck it.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)defended one of those lame-brained threads.
- NYer
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Meta, my dude. A terrific, sputtering, spittle-laden, meta-rant.
DU! Watch out, or backwoodsbob will write about you AGAIN!!!
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I didn't like.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)Like I'd miss a hole in my head ...
So let's not "eff" the North, or the South. But now those crazy Californians ...
Bake
Phentex
(16,329 posts)some posters here do this, not all.
Some Southerners are Republicans, not all.
Some states are red states, not all.
Some red states are Southern, not all.
Some people (worldwide) are racist, not all.
We can have civil discussions if people would learn to use the word some.
Some juries will let this stand, not all.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)13/18 US House seats are GOP held, as are both the state House and state Senate as well as the teabagger Governor. One of our US Senate seats is also held by a slob teabagger (Toomey).
As far as the South goes, yes there are some ignorant conservatives there, just as there are in PA proven by the stupid electorate here.
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)Living in western VA, I feel much more at home in western PA or eastern OH than places far from Appalachia that are in "the South." And if the breakup ever did occur, I'd much rather be in the Republic of Appalachia than in anything based on the old Confederacy. But what a third world basket case we'd be!
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Sometimes even the word, many, might work, but rarely do the words: all, always, never, none, etc. work when discussing people. It's called overgeneralization, and it leads to prejudice.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)North and South DU, which one would you find yourself hanging out in the most?
npk
(3,660 posts)I would have hide out in Neutral DU.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)...loves you guys.
Don't let the haters get to you.
It's not worth the energy.
There are nice people everywhere, and assholes everywhere.
And it's certainly NOT true that "the south is responsible for every problem in the nation."
I could walk from here to Wall Street in about a half hour...
RKP5637
(67,008 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)This big union fairly tale does more harm than good these days (allowing for power consolidation and hegemony). Hell, I grew up having more in common with people a few hours north of me in a different country than my countrymen 3000 miles away. What's the point?
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)I feel more in common with the people of Vancouver BC than those in Washington DC or the south.
Would much rather form a union with them than with most of America.
RKP5637
(67,008 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)That will go a long way toward keeping tails from wagging dogs, etc....
still_one
(91,807 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:58 PM - Edit history (2)
California became its own country......
Nah, that would not be good either
Basic problem I have with the south, or Midwest for that matter, summers too humid
Basic problem I have with the midwest is winters too cold
And basic problem I have with people is no one thinks exactly like I do
Oh we'll
I'll get over it
demwing
(16,916 posts)you're doing it wrong...
still_one
(91,807 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)At the fall of the US as an Empire, I don't expect it to remain one country, more like four to six...just like the USSR broke up.
Some will continue on the road to dystopia, some will not...and I cannot predict which will be which.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)I'm from the North and know some great Democrats have come out of the South. In some cases that just makes them even more passionate liberals and progressives.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and I want an 80-20.
Quite honestly, I don't care where the 80 comes from
nor do I care where the 20 goes after they are rendered politically obsolete.
LBJ signed the voting rights acts 73-27. That is good enough for me.
srican69
(1,426 posts)Apart from ACA and maybe GITMO - he has never stuck his neck out for anything.
LBJ was the dude ... he either massaged your ego or squeezed your balls till you gave him what he wanted ...he was like a force of nature. Obama ain't anything like that.
still_one
(91,807 posts)underestimate the ACA either, it will be as significant as Medicare
srican69
(1,426 posts)position.
still_one
(91,807 posts)srican69
(1,426 posts)he just couldn't bring himself to say the words - "Gay people should have the right to marry"
still_one
(91,807 posts)doing it sooner, or because it was someone else's idea
Sounds like a no win situation to me no matter what he does
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)The fact is, the President had to wear down some determined opposition. Repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell was one heavy fucking lift, the President had to convince the rest of the country through a military complex that resists change.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)hopefully that means that my ignore/trashcan filters are working properly finally.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)coming to Washington and obstructing progress mostly drives the southern bashing that takes place. I understand the frustration with most southern politicians, but blanket bashing of southerners is an incorrect response.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)when you get shitheads like Trent Franks or Louie Gohmert actually representing Congressional districts it can be aggravating.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)This post is just as ignorant as all the southern bashing.
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Should that in fact happen, there will still be people who pretend they know who should and should not be American, and simply fixate on some other region where they don't live. Heck, I imagine there will still be DU posters who pretend to have that absolute knowledge (as some do in the here and now).
Luckily, we may discount these voices as mere petulance, and take great entertainment that our mere existence as Americans brings out their inner school-child as they stomp around the playground whilst eating Freedom Fries.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... think of how incredibly awesome the new Canadian National Hockey League would be with all the new 'formerly US' teams folded in!!
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)I think if this country does break up, it will not happen peacefully. Many people in North America would die. IMO, with the ease of ability to construct chemical WMDs, they would be used against large metropolitan areas, and large farming and ranching areas. We would have the equivalent of the Russian Revolution on American soil. I do not want to see tens of millions of people die. No matter the political differences, I do not want millions of my fellow Americans dead. Eliminationism is not acceptable. The Nazis, Fascists, Marxist-Leninists, Maoists, Communists all did that. We do not want to be judged by history as equivalent to them.
JustAnotherGen
(31,631 posts)demmiblue
(36,712 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)First, the northern states would be better off without the southern. Sorry, but that's just a fact. They're a net drain economically, I don't even want to get into what a regressive force the bible belt is socially, and can you say "massive lasting Democratic majorities in Congress"? Etc...
That said, nobody actually literally wants a secession. At least nobody sane. First because we may not like the states as big generic entities but we like plenty of individuals inside them... second because a secession would not just be a friendly handshake and re-drawing some lines on a map. There would be bloodshed and destruction and plenty of it.
It's just a steam blowing off rant kinda like what you just ranted right back. Only somewhat more justified and based in real actual grievances.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)So we should just... be excellent to each other.
sinkingfeeling
(51,201 posts)and California are no where close to South Carolina.
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)their game is to give a grossly distorted picture of the extent of support for their trollery, and you fell for it. Don't. Most responses to that thread were indignant, just like to today's serving from the same source.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Both are bullshit. There are many "Californians and New Englanders," as you put it, who speak out against the regionalism of the south bashing threads when they pop up. Are you saying fuck them too? How is your OP any different than the south bashing threads?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Welcome to my ignore list for that flamebaiting POS post.
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)Y'all started a secession, both your neighbors to the north voted against following suit, (my dad's people's county voted 81% NO) things got out of control and it happened anyhow, then we died -- both military and civilians-- in greater proportion than the Deep South warmongers or anyone up north.
My sister in Maryland does not want to live in a different hostile country from her brother in Virginia. I have a brother in Massachusetts, a sister in Montana and cousins from Canada to Mexico and coast to coast. I suspect all of us would be willing to fight and die to preserve the Union, just as our southern Unionist ancestors were.
But no matter what crazy shit gets flung here by extremists from the Deep South or Pacific Northwest or California or New England saying "let's tear the country apart again and make sure you border states suckers die in vast numbers again"-- the center of power is on the Potomac and the memories of four years of death and destruction are not forgotten.
It will not happen, but reckless idiot extremists wishing it on us still pours salt in a wound that will never completely close.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)It would be useless, they would want back again when the winter comes.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Fuck me. Alrighty then. Can we get dinner first?
Dash87
(3,220 posts)"This is my side! Keep your toys out of it!"
aquart
(69,014 posts)We'd all be glad to be rid of you greedy little leeches but most of us in the north understand the concept of e pluribus unum.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)thats my way of saying, that despite your hissy fit, no one is about to break up the union. You wont do it by throwing a fit, we wont do it by criticizing the really shit politicians that tend to come from the south.
you might win for one of the dumbest posts i have seen recently
Squinch
(50,672 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)But after reading your drivel in the OP, all I have to say is, you are a sad reflection on that you claim to advocate for.
ismnotwasm
(41,885 posts)The south is big place and I haven't seen any of it. I understand much of it it is beautiful. I really want to see New Orleans someday.
You aren't fucked up. I don't know what set you off, but you're not the first Southern DUer to feel hurt and insulted by ill-thought out comments.
I live in Seattle. When I was a teenager, I was taking a Black history course. Pretty new back in those days. My teacher was a beautiful black woman. I asked her about the differences in racism between the North and the South. She said she preferred the South, because it wasn't hidden and your friend was your friend--or not. She felt like Seattle was more "smile in your face" with a lot more tokenism.
As far as Red states. Washington state is half Red really, Eastern Washington is quite conservative.
Western Washington carries the population.
stuntcat
(12,022 posts)Seriously, I think that's what it is with people- they like having someone else to feel superior to, someone else to blame everything on.
Other kinds of discrimination are looked down on now.. except this kind.
Yes there are rednecks there, and people who don't mind showing how racist and backward they are. But I've met lots of people from the North who aren't much different, assholes from PA and monsters from NH. People are people.. and the best, most incredible ones I know are from the South.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)your post sounds pretty fuckin whiny to me.
Nobody's going anywhere and we have a lot more important things to worry about than whether somebody is dissing their region.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)no more pork barbecue for you.
npk
(3,660 posts)Does that make you more of a Northerner and less of a Southerner, or what.
I am confused.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)About 80 percent of the problem in the South will go away.
"The South will rise again"!! (Literally, this time)
coldmountain
(802 posts)Until they own up to this sin, they'll always be an intellectual and moral backwater.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)It was too damned hot for too damned long.
I do understand your point and you are correct. The south bashing posts are offensive ... it is tough as hell to be a liberal/ progressive in many places in the south and I can only imagine southern DUers not feeling welcome or appreciated here.
It all comes down to percentages .... the coasts and the north have right wing lunatics, as well.
I am in Michigan .... the knuckle dragging right wing nut jobs have over-run our state government (ironically, while voting for these jack asses, we also voted for Obama
I really did hate living in the south (for the stated reasons)
edit: I did something weird with the smilies
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)As a southern DUer, I face hatred from both sides. In real life, I am surrounded by homophobic Bible Belt assholes who voted to make sure I never have the right to get married (NC Amendment 1), among numerous other ignorant, hateful crap they do, then I come to DU to be lumped in with them and hated here too. It feels like I can't win. I'm just glad DU is not my only means of finding friends. At one point, when I first got online, DU seemed like a dream come true, then I realized I am seen as less than everyone else here because I am from the south. Since then, I have met people both where I live and online elsewhere who do not think in such stark up/down terms when it comes to people.
There are liberals and conservatives in every state in our union.
Bryn
(3,621 posts)when the South asked for it. lol
I am a Southerner & love the South. I wouldn't want another civil war because like one of posters said in this thread, millions of people will get killed or hurt.
I am sick of south bashing, too, but usually they're just idiots. I don't understand their obsession with the South here on DU. There are many Northerner DUers who are great as well. I don't want to judge the North just as they shouldn't judge the South. We all need to take a close look at the root of the problem. What I think is even if the North got rid of the South by fencing us in or actually cut the South and let it float away with us in, it will probably create a vacuum and something worse will take over. It won't solve the problem. Because the 1% (Wall Street) will still be in the North destroying the economy & middle class. They will want more and more then many of people in the North will become poor and uneducated like the South.
After the Civil War the South suffered from the carpetbaggers coming down from the North to steal lands, etc. Look at Florida beaches. I am a Floridian native and am sick of people like Donald Trump coming down to grab up beaches with their money with help of corrupted politicians, building high rise condos along the coast, stealing beaches from people. I remember very well as a child we were able to enjoy going to beaches. Now most of it is "private property" owned by the rich. Actually I welcome people coming from everywhere to enjoy Florida beaches as long as they respect the nature and leave it alone..not be like a parasite or a thief.
Another problem I see here in the South: Religion. Those preachers need to be reined in and stop asking people for money. This is how they control people by fear of "going to hell". If we could make it illegal for them to preach "prosperity" with "if you give $100 God gives you $10,000" crap. They need to stop being tax free, too. If we can get rid of them problems will be lessened and more people will be more educated. Even politicians use religion to get votes. And many of politicians are corrupted. Usually they're already a millionaire, out of touch with regular people. Not all of them are bad like FDR & JFK, but they're rare.
I've lived in Washington D.C., PA, California and visited NYC. I still love living here in the South. It's home to me...for better for worse. I love Southern food especially grits
former9thward
(31,684 posts)They need a place to go when their weather is frigid and miserable.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)are saying, win the battle that is in your back yard.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Bryn
(3,621 posts)I love the South. There are many good liberal people around. We're not all bad. Please don't lump us together. See my post above.
a Southerner forever
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)I'm so disgusted with the conservatism and idiocy of the US I'm moving to another COUNTRY! If you want to stay and WHINE the rest of your life then either get VERY ACTIVE to CHANGE IT................... or move.
Bryn
(3,621 posts)I've been trying to make the South better for years. I've spoke up, signed many petitions, etc. Who can beat Koch Brothers who are paying those politicians in the South to help them win? Arkansas was democrat controlled for 138 years until 2012 with help of Koch's money. Like I said while ago...look at the root of the problem. I am NOT willing to let idiots have the South and you're not helping by beating us.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)we have had the longest tenure of Democratic US Senators of *any* state since Reconstruction. And we can lay claim to two of the greatest US Senators-- Joe Robinson, who was instrumental in getting key provisions of the New Deal passed, and J. William Fulbright, who became a key critic of the Vietnam War and who is the namesake of the Fulbright Scholarship.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Iggo
(47,470 posts)Congratulations!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I'm not sure why so many DUers seem to want to re-fight it.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I mean really, why stay where we are not Wanted
Sometimes it seems the only decent thing to do is go, almost Rude. not to.
I'll be damned if there will be a war though.
by god. that would piss me off.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)So please, leave. Then we will be free to deal with the ignorant, dumb-asses up here, and free up the resources needed to progress.
Somebody put up a post a day or two ago that was supposed to demonstrate all the wonderful things we would lose if you left the union. Problem is that 95% of the things listed are only appealing to other dumb-ass rednecks. Maybe if you left the union, most of the people that like things like NASCAR and Lynyrd Skynyrd and wrasslin would emigrate and you could book Molly Hatchet and have a big ole Bar-b-que and beer-bust to celebrate your new-found commonality.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)from SC!
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)politics-wise as any in the country (all of the shit people identify exclusively with the south is in power here in MI) I understand your frustration.