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Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:42 PM

So... how did YOU become a racist?

I think it's time for some personal stories. Cautionary tales.

In my case, I read the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution, and am told that I immediately flew into a rage against African-Americans.

How about you?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:52 PM

1. I learned mine from my Hispanic grandfather

 

Last edited Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:12 PM - Edit history (1)

and African American grandmother.

Or maybe my Northern European mother.

Or quite possibly my indigenous American wife.

Apperantly I was bread to be a racist.


I remember them all saying, judge a person by their skin color and not by what they do.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:00 AM

6. Or possibly bread to be a loaf

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Response to pscot (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:55 AM

39. I was thinking more of a biscuit.

 

Possibly a croissant.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #39)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:21 AM

70. Dirty Frenchman. nt

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #70)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:59 PM

238. Can I steal that Romney sign?

Thanks.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #39)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:50 AM

92. Are you possibly a Saltine-American??


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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #92)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:59 AM

96. I hope not. They're crackers!

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Response to merrily (Reply #96)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:03 AM

97. I stole that term from a FARK comments thread.


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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #97)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:07 AM

100. Who could blame you?

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Response to merrily (Reply #96)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:44 AM

112. DUzy! n/t

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #39)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:45 PM

210. Biscuit or cracker? nt

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #210)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:08 PM

217. Cracker, please!

 

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #217)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:24 PM

338. That's what I figured...

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Response to pscot (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:57 AM

95. Posting while baked? Well, if that doesn't take the cake!

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Response to merrily (Reply #95)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:51 AM

190. The crust of some people, a crumby thing to do.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #190)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:56 PM

261. Any way you slice it,

it leaves a sour dough taste in the mouth.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #261)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:08 PM

288. That's because it is only half-baked

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #288)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:28 PM

353. Only because it kneads to be.

But I hope it's not something that's on the rise.

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Response to pscot (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:02 PM

278. Better to be bread a loaf,

than to pinch a loaf...


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:56 PM

2. FAIL

Of the epic variety.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:11 AM

14. "Epic Fail" is my middle name (nm)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

19. .

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:57 PM

215. I am more of a

"world food pocket"....

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:40 AM

36. LOL, you appear defensive! Hit a nerve? n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:44 AM

38. Huh?

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:21 AM

71. How's that?

The racism OP was offensive and deserves to be mocked.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #71)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:32 AM

77. It's the latest desperate attempt to distract from the fact that there is a massive surveillance

program going on in the US on the American people. Which is a crime under the US Constitution.

All the other talking points failed to defend it. When that happens, there are only two possible charges, and these two are reserved for Liberals, they wouldn't work on Right Wingers since they actually apply to them.

One is to call a 'liberal a 'racist' Rush Limbaugh eg, does it all the time.

If that fails, watch for 'anti-women'. Obama = pro women, those who disagree with the surveillance of Americans = anti-women. There is no logic to any of it, but there is not meant to be, it is meant to distract.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #77)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:27 AM

113. good grief

What a load of bullshit.

In typical fashion.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:38 AM

81. Wow. You sure told Manny Goldstein.

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Response to merrily (Reply #81)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:14 AM

104. Lol!

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Response to merrily (Reply #81)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:29 AM

114. Did you just join

the team?

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #114)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:49 PM

276. I'm trying to join the team

 

but so far they only let me be equipment manager.

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Response to merrily (Reply #81)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:15 AM

178. LMAO

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:27 AM

106. you are aptly describing your own response

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:38 AM

128. Accusing anyone of racism simply because they disagree with president is "Fail of the epic variety"

Glad you have enough integrity to admit it in public. Very commendable.


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Response to idwiyo (Reply #128)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:30 AM

145. Simplistic, tone deaf interpretation

and knee jerk outrage.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

So who's on deck for next swat? The swarm feels a bit light.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #145)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:39 AM

149. You are getting better and better with your descriptions of those who can't stand the very idea of

disagreement with the current president of US.

Bravo!

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #145)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:31 PM

232. Projection. 'swats' or 'swarms' or 'what is on deck for next week'.

Care to explain that?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #232)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:32 PM

246. LOL!

What kind of extra crispy tossed word salad was that?

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #246)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:08 PM

289. Didn't think so, and I kept it short too, just for you!

Can't blame you though, we all to 'watch what we say' these days!

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #145)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:22 PM

243. would you like ranch, bleu cheese, or a lovely vinagrette with that word salad?

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Response to frylock (Reply #243)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:36 PM

248. I just asked your teammate the

same question.


There are still a few swarm members missing their shot at me.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #248)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:42 PM

251. well let's hope they get on board, tout de suite!

I hate to see a good persecution complex go to waste.

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Response to frylock (Reply #251)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:51 PM

257. Projection!!11!

Funny stuff.... you just offered the perfect description of this thread.

Unintentional irony at it's finest.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #257)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:55 PM

260. you're outta your league here..

like the person that keeps throwing the term "ratfucker" around, I don't think you know what that word means. good day.

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Response to frylock (Reply #260)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:24 PM

266. I'm a social worker

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I know exactly what it means. Condescension noted.

As far as being "out of my league," I'll take that as a complement. Your "league" is not one that I would want to be associated with.....and yes, I know what that phrase means as well.

You can take your arrogance and sell it elsewhere.

Understand?

Oh and btw..... When you see this particular punctuation (!11!) following a word or phrase on DU, it denotes mocking. Again, your teammate tried to use the term "projection" upthread in an effort to form some kind of response.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #266)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:54 PM

277. thanks for schooling me on how teh interwebs works..

you know, memes and whutnots. I mean, I don't know fuckall. i'm just a lowly systems admin who's been fucking around on the web for 17 or so years. and good for you on your social work. I really do mean that. I volunteer down at the foodbank, so I do typically look highly upon those that make an effort to better the lives of those less fortunate. but that still doesn't change the fact that your assigning the term of psychological projection to my reply when it simply doesn't apply. furthermore, i'm not on any "team." you see, I don't look at politics as some type of "team" sport. too many people have an us-against-them attitude, and lose sight of policy, deciding instead to focus on personality. again, I bid you a good day.

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Response to frylock (Reply #277)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:01 PM

284. Okay

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3055377

My use of the term in reference to this.

As long as we're sharing here....

I've been a clinical social worker for 25 years. I have an undergrad degree in psych, and a masters in social work. Although I've done my time in homeless and youth shelters, much of my work as been as an outpatient therapist. So I know my way around a number of psychological terms much like the way you know your way around teh interwebs.

So when you admonish me for the inappropriate use of the term "projection," it strikes me as odd, considering the way it is frequently used around here as a throwaway line to mean; "I know what you are, but what am I."

Clearly I was swarmed in this thread, and I can handle that, but for you to proceed to tell me that I'm "out of my league," as if I'm some sort of dumbass, or unable to hang with the "crowd," that crossed the line for me.

Anyway...good day to you as well.



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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #284)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:23 PM

294. Girl, that was no swarm that was a Flock of Foolishness

A Mob of Mindlessness. And you had just the right sized can of Raid to deal with it.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #266)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:25 PM

304. Social workers have the lowest

average IQs of any college graduates. I'm not suggesting you're out of your league, but it would be nice to hear a cogent argument in defense of your position rather than all the snarky insults. If you can do something like that.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #304)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:27 PM

305. OMG

Your post just won the race to the bottom.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #305)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:25 PM

321. Do I get a trophy?

It was easy. Being offensive and insulting requires little skill.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #304)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:33 PM

307. Thanks professor

You're honestly asking me to provide a "cogent argument" in THIS fucking thread?

Seriously?

Brilliant. No, this thread is nothing BUT snark.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #307)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:50 PM

312. Why bother?

There's no discussing this actual issue without name calling on both sides and more time is spent here figuring out ways to insult those who don't see things exactly like you do than anything else.

And silly me I thought only rightwingers "debated" like this.

And in case you didnt know, this website has the awesome feature to trash threads.

Good luck out there!

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #307)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:53 PM

313. Manny and the professor

I just knew he was famous

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #313)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:21 PM

319. A lot of Recs on this post! n-t

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #307)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:21 PM

320. Yes,

and you've contributed most of it. Very entertaining in an adolescent sort of way.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #320)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:27 PM

322. 320 replies in this asinine thread

and you're fixated on mine?

Welcome to the team! Tag up, professor.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #322)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:33 PM

324. 322 actually.

Had you looked above the first post and seen the number you wouldn't have needed to try and count them one at a time.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:08 PM

216. I could not agree more!!

So tired of all the cries from folks claiming to be victims here on DU...It reminds me of Christians in America always claiming that they're victims of persecution. SAD!!

I will join in...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:56 PM

3. For me it was looking at children mutilated and slaughtered by drone strikes...

 

For some reason these shredded junior terrorists pushed me over the edge.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:16 AM

22. So you hate our freedoms, as well as hating African-Americans

And love the terrorists.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:07 AM

42. So I have been told. nt

 

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #42)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:03 PM

262. Yes, you're obviously a racist.

I became a racist when I found out there were no advocates for single-payer health insurance at the bargaining table when that was all decided for us. I became a double racist when I found out OBama had put SS and Medicare on the bargaining table. I became a ne plus ultra racist when I found out that the spying and eavesdropping policies of Bush had been continued, and enhanced.

Boo yeah.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #262)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:24 PM

280. By other people's standards, that is when I became one, too.

If you don't believe in Obama 100%, it's because of his race.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:57 PM

4. Only speaking for our dog. He noticed that some folk don't look like me and my wife.

He does not like that. Vocally.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:59 PM

5. Apparently, for me,

It was when I realized I wasn't gonna get my pony.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:16 AM

179. LMAO!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:01 AM

7. I believed a 1960s Utopian dream...

... and refused to ever acknowledge that accomplishing those goals meant a shit ton of hard work.

You?

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Response to Recursion (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:09 AM

11. +10000000000

I've read one OP that put that forth....it's somehow become the FauxNews sound bite of Many on DU.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:59 AM

117. Great post. nt

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Response to Recursion (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:44 AM

130. Good post!!!

 

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Response to Recursion (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:44 PM

236. Living your beliefs is the hard work.

Not living your beliefs is generally known as selling out.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #236)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:12 PM

264. X1000

I've never had much use for the Excuse Makers.
That is why I love the OLD Democratic Party Leadership like FDR, HST, and LBJ...
NO EXCUSES, but especially no excuses accepted for NOT fighting.

When LBJ did the right thing in 1964,
and signed the Civil Rights Act is when I had the epiphany.
There is NO valid excuse for NOT doing the Right Thing.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone


photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed


Solidarity!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:02 AM

8. Being around folks that mangaled the English lang

and bastardized into something called American

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Response to HipChick (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

17. That's gotta rally suck. (Nm)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:23 AM

75. Can't we all just get a log?

eom

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #75)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:53 AM

191. No. We're members of a splinter group.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #191)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:33 PM

354. And now they want us to leaf.

I guess they're board with us.

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #75)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:49 PM

213. I think your barque is worse than your bight.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #213)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:13 PM

356. There'll be a board of inquiry.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:48 PM

212. It is pretty mangaled...

Make English our offical language.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:38 AM

186. DUzed!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:06 AM

9. I admit it, I've always been a closet racist.

But the NSA thing forced me out of the closet.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:07 AM

10. Spoke out for LGBT equality.

Of all the things, eh?

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Response to Prism (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:10 AM

13. That's rough.

Sorry about your nom de web, too.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

23. I became self-aware.


Your apology has been noted.

And recorded.

And filed away.

Seriously, you should see my cabinets around this place. Can't exactly Public Storage you lot.

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Response to Prism (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:18 AM

25. lol.

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Response to Prism (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

41. LOL :) nt

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Response to Prism (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:05 AM

119. LOL!

 

Jerry, is that you?

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Response to Prism (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:19 PM

209. Duzy!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:10 AM

12. I thought the people who crashed the world economy should

bear some sort of accountability for it.

Silly me!

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Response to QC (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:12 AM

16. Didn't your parents raise you better than that?

Wow.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

20. Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I denied. n/t

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Response to QC (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:37 AM

79. Go TARP yourself.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:12 AM

15. I dared to disagree with the President's education agenda.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:14 AM

18. .

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:16 AM

21. I think it was when I was born, like the President, the child of one white parent...

 

and one minority parent.

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Response to The Link (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:16 AM

67. Did you become racist against your white parent, or racist against your minority parent? Or both?

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Response to merrily (Reply #67)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:30 PM

323. You CANT be racist against the WHITE parent!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:17 AM

24. Nope, but ever since the BOGer types did some desperate dumpster diving

 

and started trotting out the racist card to try and silence those who are the heretics and non-believers, I realized this NSA business has not only caused cognitive disturbance, but drove some of them plain batty.

If it isn't grand conspiracy theories involving the entire worlds' media united against Obama, it is something else equally nuts, like racists everywhere they look.

Can you say, way too much kool-aid?

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Response to quinnox (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:19 AM

26. Acceptance is the first step in healing.

I guess you have a ways to go.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

28. I hear ya

 

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Response to quinnox (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:44 PM

311. Speaking of kool-aid ...

Here's you explaining HClinton's IWR vote.

Kool-aid anyone?

quinnox (16,060 posts)

28. well, maybe she had to do that for her political career. She is a woman, and she has to appear strong. I am not excusing it, just saying she might have had reasons. And it was not a pivotal vote she made either, in terms of the numbers. If she had opposed it, that would have made no difference in how it came out.

link to this gem: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2593794

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

27. After getting coal for Christmas many years in a row, I hate elves. Especially dark and wood elves.

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #27)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:09 PM

199. You got actual coal? Lucky! I only got a picture of coal. nm

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

29. Racist or ratfucker?

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

34. Were they the same cause? (nm)

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:28 PM

244. you make the call!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:27 AM

30. Well...something similar to you

And family history. You'd be surprised how intolerant you become of data mining when family members died due the collection of data at that mythical time we are not supposed to remember.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:27 AM

31. Hmm...

By disagreeing with the president on the Afghanistan War
By being frustrated at the Administration's foot dragging on DADT
By seeing Guantanamo still open more than a half decade after we were told it would close
By seeing the precedent for drone strikes on American citizens abroad enacted and the further gutting of habeas corpus
By recognizing that the government is more concerned with spying on environmentalists and OWS then prosecuting bankers
By seeing that we now accept tar sands as an acceptable energy solution apparently
By realizing that we still don't have an ENDA and do have an Administration that hasn't fought for it
By realizing that the most transparent Administration in decades is a fraudulent claim
By seeing the continuation of the Bush economic policy
By seeing the continuation of the Bush education policy
By seeing the continuation of the Bush drug policy
By suggesting the fleecing of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid as a budget balancing solution
By seeing secret free trade agreements going to be rammed through without Congressional debate
By seeing "clean" coal being used as an alternative energy source for the United States in a Democratic State of the Union Address

And probably several other things like failure to act on single payer, no-bid contracts to private military and arms contractors, and so on and so forth.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:29 AM

32. Geez. You could be a Grand Kleagle in the Klan!

Such hatred for our black friends.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:47 AM

57. Kleagle.

- Now there's a word you don't see everyday. Thank goodness.....

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #57)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:42 AM

84. They wear hats. Special hats.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:02 AM

61. You single issue voters really frost me.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:20 AM

180. Obama's "clean" coal was epic stupid.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:08 PM

332. Damn. You were expecting a whole herd of ponies

you should start your own version of The List. When you do, please add

By seeing political prisoner Don Siegelmann left to rot in prison
By seeing a nominal (D) president side with management over labor

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:33 AM

33. Rick Warren. I've learned my lesson. Standing up against bigots is racist.

I was clutching my pearls on my imaginary pony.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:16 AM

164. I will not forget some of the things that the LGBT community had to read during that time.

At a point for me it wasn't even about Warren, it was about the words some used to defend it. It wasn't just a couple of posters either. Many of the words were completely hateful. If I had the reaction to them that I did, I cannot imagine reading them if you were a part of any group they were aimed at. I realized something that I wasn't aware of during that time. I realized that many don't care or understand the importance of the promotion of equality at all times. That was a landmark moment in the history of the US. Many also don't care about their brothers and sisters, who are willing to fight tooth and nail for progressive causes, when they are under attack. Actually quite the opposite, many went on the attack. So while you were being told that you were clutching your pearls and looking for your imaginary pony, many people such as myself learned a lot. It gave me a much better understanding with respect to how brutal and personal the fight for equality is. I am not trying to make light of the situation by making it about me. I just want to let you know that some of us learned a lot and were watching with open eyes.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #164)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:52 PM

214. Those who spoke ill of the Warren inclusion...

were summarily trounced, and basically told to STFU. I guess that should have been a harbinger.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

35. I think I became an raesist

After this:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00168

Measure Number: H.R. 6304 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 )
Measure Title: A bill to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to establish a procedure for authorizing certain acquisitions of foreign intelligence, and for other purposes.

Obama (D-IL), Yea

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Response to Hydra (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:06 AM

63. Well, he did promise to fix that after we elected him President.

Not his fault that we did not ask him what he meant by "fix."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:41 AM

37. Extending the patriot act made me a racist! n-t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

40. There was once an OP...

It led down a dark thread.

From out of nowhere, self-referential blue links appeared and were everywhere around my reply.

They kept pointing and pointing - full of text and assertion yet signifying nothing.

Hydra-like, if one were addressed, ten more would sprout in its place.

...Pointing and pointing...Always pointing...Always regressing...Away from the OP and off towards infinity...

Only then did I realize my shameful problem.



It has been a struggle, but I am no longer made mad by the policies of this Administration - all of which now make perfect sense.







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Response to xocet (Reply #40)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:09 AM

43. "But it was all right, everything was all right,

the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

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Response to xocet (Reply #40)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:32 AM

50. This is too cool. May I quote you (and attribute) you when appropriate?

DUer xocet
June 20, 2012



It led down a dark thread.

From out of nowhere, self-referential blue links appeared and were everywhere around my reply.

They kept pointing and pointing - full of text and assertion yet signifying nothing.

Hydra-like, if one were addressed, ten more would sprout in its place.

...Pointing and pointing...Always pointing...Always regressing...Away from the OP and off towards infinity...

Only then did I realize my shameful problem.



It has been a struggle, but I am no longer made mad by the policies of this Administration - all of which now make perfect sense.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023051604#post40

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #50)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:08 PM

218. You noticed that pattern too?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #50)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:57 AM

345. You certainly may: I am glad that you enjoyed the piece! n/t

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Response to xocet (Reply #40)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:05 AM

99. stop yer lyin!

I actually tried following those blue links once. Most of them led to other posts of the same poster. And those other posts also contained blue links that led to more other posts of the same poster. And those more other posts of the same poster also contained other blue links that led to still more other posts of the same poster. And those still more other posts of the same poster....

Oh, wait, you're right. Infinity.

never mind.

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Response to merrily (Reply #99)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:45 PM

201. "My God, it's full of links..." [n/t]

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Response to xocet (Reply #40)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:56 AM

158. You are in a maze of twisty little blue links, all alike...


Professionally designed by someone.

It all makes sense.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #158)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:33 AM

174. Indeed! n/t

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Response to Pholus (Reply #158)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:22 AM

181. ...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:12 AM

44. I did a few bong hits and decided in my paranoia

that they were out to get me...and I was right.That day I became a racist

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:21 AM

45. I was seduced into a mixed race marriage, lol. nt

Last edited Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:52 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:23 AM

46. When you demanded of a Dem black president that all would go your way

And unfairly compared him to dead white ones who were allegedly better than he, but had much more Dem Congresses at a time of much more political will, when white privilege of the time meant they could get more respect - and found the black one of the 21st century, subject to constant filibuster of every little thing by Republicans (with race as a likely factor), to simply be spineless and various other negative characterizations?

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Response to treestar (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:08 AM

64. "All" Yeah, that''s it.

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Response to treestar (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:38 AM

148. Context for readers! A post by treestar from her rant 'gays have plenty of rights'

"There there is only one right you do not have. And people who give no credit to Obama for what he did already while making as if it is the only issue that matters are just wrong. There's always going to be some new demand. I am a woman and we don't have all our rights all the time, or some are threatened, but this is the US where we can talk about it, protest and I don't go around saying I have no rights. Not when looking at women in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia for instance.

If I am a bigot for caring about other issues, then fine. I don't think gay marriage is the only civil rights issue there is. Or the only issue that matters. And there is free speech. And the rest of the bill of rights. You should be ashamed for not caring about anyone or anything else."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2952192

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #148)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:40 AM

150. This has nothing to do with gay issues.

This OP is about racism.

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Response to treestar (Reply #150)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:51 AM

155. It is about bigotry on DU.

Sorry that bothers you as it very clearly does. You claim we have 'plenty of rights'. People need to read for context, they can decide if you have a clue about equality, justice, courtesy....
It is a great thread for you. Be proud.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #155)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:08 AM

163. Do you care about racism at all?

And people are bigots because they don't concern themselves with only your issue?

Yes you do have rights. In my state, you have every right, including marriage.

You have one issue only. You post about that one issue in any thread, you find a way to relate it. And if you keep reposting my post in unrelated threads, I think possibly you could get alerted on/banned. You are stalking. You hate me because I care about many issues and not just yours.

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Response to treestar (Reply #163)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:31 AM

169. You don't know a thing about me, my family, my life, background or works. Yet you judge. Why?

There is NO marriage equality anywhere in the US because that equality lies in Federal law. So we do not have every right in any American State. Your claims are false, your characterizations are venomous and without basis.
I posted your words about equal rights for minorities. Your words. 'you have plenty of rights'. Own it, it is what you think.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #169)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:33 AM

173. So what about racism?

That is what the thread is about.

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Response to treestar (Reply #173)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:56 AM

175. Actual racism is a pernicious evil on the face of humanity. Don't you agree?

Let me tell you this treestar. My work is such that I have spent funds to hire security because of death threats from folks who call me 'race traitor'. Hate letters, endless hate letters, from racists and homophobes, to be blunt dear, they are indistinguishable one from the other when they are ranting. Hate is hate. Those who excuse discrimination are purveyors of that hate. Show me one who excuses homophobia, you show me a person who will excuse racism. That is a fact.
To repeat, you don't know my life. You do not know who I love, who have been my mentors and and my peers, who raised me, who formed my identity as a gay man and as an artist.
My posting life on DU is here to search, you should do so. So should any and everyone. I invite them to.
Your posts are also here to look at. You do not want yours seen. I'm fine with mine. Think about that. I am proud of my life, my work and my words. You get snarky when you are quoted. Think about that.
Quote me all day. I know my heart, you on the other hand, do not.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #175)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:37 PM

200. You can quote me all day if you want

But you are spamming threads with unrelated subjects.

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Response to treestar (Reply #200)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:14 PM

221. "You are spamming threads with unrelated subjects" - !!!


Like accusing surveillance opponents of racism?

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Response to treestar (Reply #173)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:35 PM

267. How can anyone not realise that racism, homophobia and bigotry are related issues and all

of them are equally important and must not be compromised on EVER is totally beyond me.
Isn't it what fight for equality is about?

Its incomprehensible that you INSIST post after post after post that this 'one issue' of equality is not important enough to always be on the forefront, yet at the same time you profess how deeply you care about eradicating racism.

To me it starting to look like you believe that LGBTQ community consists of white rich males only, and the only thing they care about is getting married, nothing else (because they already have all other rights, according to you).

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Response to treestar (Reply #163)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:44 PM

252. People ARE bigots when they insist that only they know what members of one of the most

marginalised minorities think and care about.

It IS bigotry when LGBTQ minority is told to shut up and be happy because they already have more rights in US than in Iran or SA (for an example).

I don't even know what to call someone who would accuse another person of being a racist because they dare to demand equal rights for everyone.

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Response to treestar (Reply #163)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:24 PM

296. This post is so very revealing for me.

I'll just be kind and say you are very, very ignorant, and you have zero excuse for being so seeing how prolific you are around here.

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Response to treestar (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:45 AM

153. No, it was when Rush Limbaugh told me that all Liberals are hypocritical racists who con

minorities into voting for them by bribing them with Welfare. He told me liberals want to keep minorities dependent on them so they keep giving them stuff.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #153)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:04 PM

286. Yep-there you go!

Guilty as charged.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:24 AM

47. When Bill Clinton pushed for NAFTA and the Clipper Chip

As we all know, criticism of free trade and spying on civilians often goes hand in hand with holocaust denial and reading Charles Murray books.

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Response to toddaa (Reply #47)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:10 AM

65. Toni Morrison did call Bill the first black President.

When Obama ran against Hillary, Toni said she had only been joking about Bill, but disagreeing with Bill on the issues still counts as racism.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:25 AM

48. Oddly I just found out I may be a gay closet racist, petulant and complaining...

 

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Response to Safetykitten (Reply #48)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:13 AM

66. I believe the word you may be looking for is "poutrage."

It works best when used to gay males, but can be almost as condescending to anyone.

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Response to merrily (Reply #66)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:42 AM

83. The Pom Pom Crowd Loves The Poutrage Thingy

That and my little pony, because they are so sure of how cute they are.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #83)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:47 AM

89. To be fair

going beyond tried and true things like "poutrage," "racist," "epic fail," "pony," etc. would require original thought. Using the tried and true things from the past is what any true conservative, I mean, Democrat, would do.

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Response to merrily (Reply #89)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:54 AM

93. Those "original thoughts" would have died from lonliness

Some here are still pumping gas into Granny it appears.

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Response to merrily (Reply #89)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:45 AM

154. Don't sell them sort they also have 'hair on fire' and emoticons to express how funny they think

equal rights and basic decency are.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #83)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:13 PM

220. You are only saying that because you aren't part of the

Common Sense, Reality Based Community

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #83)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:52 PM

328. Don't forget Emo-Prog

They tried that one for a while. Didn't really catch on- I think cause some of us actually kinda liked it

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:26 AM

49. i still had the same opinions even after Obama became president.

a true non-racist would have changed all of his views to match Obama's.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #49)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:20 AM

69. Not only are you racist, but you are a Republican racist.

No true Democrat would have clung to principles.

You disgust me.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:36 AM

51. What the board needs is an investigation comity to ferret out the racist among us.

So I ask you now Manny. are you now. or have you ever been a member of the Obama haters club?

And for the rest of you, you can avoid all of this probating by taking the Obama loyalty oath and posting your disgust with those who question his polices...that is the path to take if you want instant love and acceptance by the Never Question The Leader club

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:37 AM

52. Well I had a dream night before

 

last. American Indians with headdress told all of us to go home. They said it was too much smoke in the air. But we didn't know where to go.

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Response to kitt6 (Reply #52)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:44 AM

55. Those smoke signals would have told you where to go.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:43 AM

53. I thought cutting Social Security was a bad idea

but it turns out I was just suffering from some massive white privilege complex, as was explained in about 100 different articles that all happened to jump on that idea at the same time.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:43 AM

54. There are a few nutty radicals out there that I've read about......

that say that white people are racist just for being born white. I mean, come on, I know "white privilege" is an issue, but this approach takes it WAAAAAYYYY too far.....it's like saying all Jews are anti-Arab just because of how some rightist Israeli governments have treated Palestinians, or that all Japanese are anti-Ainu because Ainu people can still be discriminated against sometimes. I mean, seriously.....

(P.S. no, it wasn't from anybody on this board.)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:46 AM

56. protesting the invasion of iraq did it to me.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:48 AM

58. I was born in the South so I didn't have a choice.

Last edited Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:40 AM - Edit history (1)

Thanks for the thread, Manny.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #58)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:50 PM

256. I was born in Philadelphia, PA, but grew up in South Florida

since I was 6 years old. I am now 74, so I have seen plenty of racism, such as separate bathrooms, water fountains, blacks having to sit in the back of buses, not allowed into white restaurants and movie theaters and school segregation. But attitudes change when you age.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #256)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:22 AM

342. Actually

I was just be sarcastic in keeping with my perception of the spirit of the OP.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:50 AM

59. I defended someone who was being accused of being a racist

in turn I was also accused of being a racist.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #59)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:23 AM

74. Fellow traveler, defending someone accused of being a racist. You're the worst kind of racist!

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Response to merrily (Reply #74)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:06 AM

120. I know, it was Cali too

Correction; it was Quinnox, I defended. I later defended Cali after whe was called Madame Obamahater by another poster.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:51 AM

60. Well, about 20 years ago . . .

I looked at the facts in a certain murder case and concluded a certain celebrity defendant was guilty. Having said that that was what I thought, I instantly became a racist. Being a fellow with Korean children, Japanese nephews, Mexican cousins and a distant relative who's black, that hurt.

More recently, like you, I read the Fourth Amendment. Of course, I read the Fourth Amendment and memorized it with the rest of the Constitution when I was in eighth grade, which was even before that certain celebrity murder defendant played running back at USC. Now when a couple of dippy white presidents acted like they either hadn't read or didn't understand it (in fact one of them I was pretty sure couldn't read at all, in spite of getting a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard), I cried bloody murder and demanded that their heads roll. That almost happened to one of those two dippy white presidents, but he chickened out and resigned; the illiterate one got off free for no good reason except that Congress chickened out.

Now that we have a black president, I am suddenly a racist when I scream bloody murder about him acting like he's never read or understood the Fourth Amendment (and I am even absolutely certain that this fellow can read). Nevertheless, I've screamed bloody murder because he is collecting information of all us Americans, regardless of whether any particular one of us is suspected of doing anything wrong, just as I did when those two dippy white Republican jack asses did it. So, I guess I am a racist because I make no distinction between a white Republican or a black Democrat who violates the Fourth Amendment.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:05 AM

62. I opposed the billion dollar giveaway to private health insurers known as the ACA...

And then I asked for a trade policy that would benefit the working class, and I got the TPP instead.

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #62)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:17 AM

68. +1000000

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #62)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:41 AM

187. +1

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #62)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:55 AM

344. +1 n-t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:22 AM

72. I discovered I was a racist when the president put Social Security on the table

as a path to deficit reduction.

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Response to merrily (Reply #76)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:35 AM

184. Wow! What took him so long?

Seems he had an agenda from the start, re: entitlement reform.

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Response to Marr (Reply #72)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:45 PM

254. It is racism to hate people who refuse to eat catfood

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:22 AM

73. I supported Kucinich.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #73)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:35 AM

78. Good thing I started reading this thread at the beginning and worked my way down.

By the time I got to your post, I had become tougher.

Not only are you racist, you're a Republican troll. No true Democrat in modern times would have supported Kucinich. He's not DLC.

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Response to merrily (Reply #78)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:44 AM

87. Now yer gettin' it!

I wanted a FLOTUS with a British accent and flowing red hair and a POTUS that looked like a Hobbit.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #87)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:49 AM

91. So, you are pro good looking WASPs? I rest my case.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #87)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:44 AM

348. Swamp Rat shows how it should be.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #348)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:50 AM

349. Under Clinton the spam porn was bjs and "barely legal teens"...

Under Bush it was s&m/b&d and "hot military studs".

When Palin came along it was all MILF, all the time.

Just think of all the midget sex we've missed.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #349)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:16 AM

350. Great! Now, where do I send the invoice for the computer screen?



Come to think of it, there was a lot of screwing going on.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:37 AM

80. I bit the apple, and was banned from Eden.

I read the 1st and 4th Amendments of that racist manifesto known as the Bill of Rights, and I was hooked.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #80)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:41 AM

82. The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

If you were a real Democrat, knowledge of good and evil would give you nothing but indigestion.

Get thee away from me, Republican.

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Response to merrily (Reply #82)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:49 AM

90. My observation of "reality-based democrats"...

is when confronted with evil they bury their heads in the sand and scream "nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you" to the messenger, and then hit the alert button. Good little germans, but pathetic human beings. Prescott Busch would be proud of them.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #90)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:55 AM

94. Well, now you harshed my mellow. And I was having such fun, too.

We're all good Germans. Either that, or we should have STFU about "good Germans" after WWII.

According to us, the German citizens were to blame because they saw what was happening and failed to stop Hitler.

So, tell me, what could they have done to stop him? I think we owe them a mega apology for the guilt trip we threw on them, but most of them are dead by now. Well, at least their descendants demonstrated when Obama spoke recently. Demonstrations in Hong Kong, too. In the U.S., though? All Quiet on the Western Front.

Sorry to go all serious on you, but I have been thinking about that a lot in recent months.

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Response to merrily (Reply #94)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:12 AM

102. It was intended as a barb.

Apologies if it struck too close.

My family background is German, though my mom's side left about 400 and my dad's side in the later 1800s. I can fully understand how Germany accepted Hitler. The economy was in shambles, Hitler promised better. Hitler created division by blaming Jews, Gypsies, and Homosexuals (interesting irony there), thus creating a bogeyman for the population to hate. Propaganda was effective, and the truth suppressed. I too wondered how and why those who eye-witnessed the truth didn't manage to spread the word (even in secret). Then I saw similar begin to incubate here, and understood. Some Germans were simply struggling to get by...if keeping your job meant keeping your eyes closed, sobeit. Others bought into the propaganda, either by willfull ignorance, gullible ignorance, or in the hope of bettering their social status. Those who saw or suspected the truth, and opposed the evil, were simply out-numbered...and to speak out was suicide....and a death sentence for their family. Thats how it happened.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:42 AM

85. Thanks for the thread. I had a lot of fun with it

even though Idid not become a racist like the rest of you racists.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:43 AM

86. When I decided universal health care was more important than one individual.

Or maybe it was when Social Security got put on the table. No, I'm pretty sure it was when it became apparent that none of the banksters were going to be held accountable for the financial meltdown.

Thinking about it, though, I suspect it was when I failed to gush over the swimsuit pictures.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:44 AM

88. I became a racist when I objected to rappers using the "n"-bomb, arguing it was a word

 

invented by white men to keep black people down and subjugated. I was told there is a difference between using it with an "-er" and an "-a," to which I said pronunciation differences do not change the root and meaning of the world.

I was told I was a racist for not understanding black culture. I asked if people here Jews using anti-Semetic phrases to talk to other Jews. . .I was then told I was anti-Semetic (I'm Jewish) for using those words to prove my point.

So I am a racist, anti-Semetic Jew.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:04 AM

98. People on DU have kneejerk reactions

(or least jerk) often times. If I really went back and cataloged all the things people on DU called me...it would be an utter waste of my time. Seriously there was a really good one a few days back. The post was hidden 6-0.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:08 AM

101. I became a racist 35 years ago

when I was teaching elementary school in Watts, and my (black) principal kept trying to downplay educational expectations using the phrase "black kids can't..."

and I told him "Will you shut up before they start believing you?"

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Response to MurrayDelph (Reply #101)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:53 AM

157. Wow. Did that really happen?

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Response to Brigid (Reply #157)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:47 PM

301. Sure did.

We all knew the principal had a double-standard for black teachers vs white ones, but could not do anything to prove it.

About four years after I quit public school teaching to go into industrial education, I bumped into my one of my former colleagues, who informed me that the principal got moved to a bigger school with more teachers, and accidentally admitted his view that only black teachers can be effective in the ghetto. The approximately 25 white teachers in his new staff of approximately 50 teachers did not take kindly to this.

He was definitely a moron. My third graders knew more about effective teaching strategies than he did (and demonstrated it).

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:13 AM

103. Omg, Manny, stop reading that stuff! You don't know what it could do to you.

And there is no cure for it once you've read it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:16 AM

105. When I was silly enough to think war crimes should be prosecuted.

Actually I think the Rick Warren thing was the first time I actually got accused of being racist. Prior to that I'd only ever been accused of being racist by stupid right wingers insisting I hated white people because I wasn't also a stupid right winger.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:11 AM

107. No, Manny, as far as I can see you are the following

you are an outrage junkie and a leftist who wants a socialist revolution. Admittedly your screen name is that of a right wing stalking horse but I do not think you either a racist or an agent provocateur, just someone who didn't bother actually reading 1984 critically.

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Response to intaglio (Reply #107)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:00 AM

118. Attention whore.

You forgot attention whore.

Otherwise, not a bad characterization.

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Response to intaglio (Reply #107)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:00 AM

135. Wrong thread. Deleted and moved to the right place.

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Response to intaglio (Reply #107)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:03 PM

206. I love leftists who want social revolution.

Now that you've pointed it out, I've got to meet Manny in person.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:16 AM

108. Manny, this really and truly isn't very funny.

And to me it seems a little insensitive. Would you consider locking it up?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #108)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:03 AM

110. I really don't think it's supposed to be funny, ucrdem.


I'm not sure why you think it might be.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #110)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:09 AM

111. Misguided satire, at best, and that is being generous.

Unless you've been on the receiving end or have witnessed someone who has been on the receiving end of racism, this claptrap apparently passes as acceptable on DU now. Having been through a very difficult period of several years dealing with racism directed at my husband, I don't find it either good satire or funny. Those who rushed to claim victimhood at once have diminished themselves and have given comfort to those elements of society using race to subvert any agenda held by the left. Racism is a real issue in this society and has been used consistently by the right to undermine this President. It is disgusting to see people purporting to be on the left rush to do the same thing. The point could have been made by simply asking what the turning point in supporting the President was for the individual.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #111)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:58 AM

116. I was responding to a specific post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049348

that's been getting a fair number of recs.

That said, you make good points.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #116)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:16 AM

122. I hope you and others take those points to heart and realize

that carrying the RW's water for them does no one any good. Certainly, it denigrates the very people who are part of our extended coalition and discounts the experiences of many in communities across the nation. There is no way that you can employ the notion of racism as it relates to either the President or any policy that doesn't make you look like you are hypocritical in support of democratic principles. Thank you for considering what I have said and I would encourage you to reread that OP you refer to and to consider what was actually being said there.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #122)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:52 AM

156. And I'll ask you to consider this response to the current accusations of racism.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3051217

And suggest that the same applies when you (speaking generically to all who have) direct allegations of racism at progressives merely because we did not change our beliefs, or the way we interact with our government, merely based on the race of the person holding the head office.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #111)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:28 AM

126. A post yesterday had many DU members calling me a racist! Where...

We're you complaining about that?

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Response to Logical (Reply #126)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:36 AM

127. I read the post you are talking about and

did not come away with anything other than that racism is part of the equation when it comes to how this President has been treated throughout. That post was written to address another post on the topic of using RW memes when arguing for whatever issue people are in opposition to. No one has a problem with opposition to policy. Jumping to own the title of "racist" is at once counterproductive and abhorrent. Perhaps the people who lined up behind it could speak to those issues with a little less vitriol and without using RW memes.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #127)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:56 PM

204. When you denigrate principled opposition as "Right Wing memes"

you weaken your argument.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #111)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:20 AM

139. I am on the receiving end and I don't have a single problem with Manny's post. I do have a damn

huge problem with hypocrisy, and your posts in this tread are full of it, IMNSHO.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #139)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:27 AM

143. Nice hit and run.

When you levy a charge, you should at least give a reason.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #143)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:34 AM

146. You are welcome to re-read your posts in this thread. They are full of hypocrisy, IMNSHO.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #146)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:41 AM

151. I did.

And I still assert that issues related to policy can be accomplished on the left without adopting the RW usage of racism against the President to do so.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #151)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:59 AM

159. Who on the left is 'adopting the RW usage of racism'? Do you have an example?

How can anyone be 'lefty' and racist at the same time is beyond my understanding, unless your description of 'left' is anyone who is not an open supporter of RW.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #151)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:26 PM

227. Hold on

You are claiming that those disagreeing with the President on policy matters are (at least sometimes) "adopting the RW usage of racism", have I got that right? So you're saying the very same thing as the OP that Manny is writing about in this OP.

I know I'd sure like to see some examples from DU where people are taking a stance against Obama's policies because he is black.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #111)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:47 AM

189. Manny's 'satire' has been misguided from the begining

Sometimes clever but almost never very humorous Manny's mission in life is to patronize fellow Democrats that are not in 100% agreement with his sacred point of view. He has a running strawman that he feels is particularly brilliant that he routinely and tediously brings out to heap scorn on supporters of the President for their double standard. Ironically he glosses over the record of President Roosevelt (IMO the greatest elected official of any country at any time) lamenting that Obama is a poor inheritor of the FDR legacy. That is especially ironic in this case where he decries the loss of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution because the President supports the collection of data records on communication patterns that could then be used to identify and pursue potential terrorist suspects. To date no individual American citizen has been identified as having been an actual victim, the concern is based on principle and concern about future use (a legitimate point for rational discussion) . FDR on the other hand authored Executive Order 9066 which authorized the government to establish a zone in 4 states (California, Oregon, Washington and AZ) where Citizens and residents of Japanese were arrested and 140,000 were put into concentration camps and all of their private property stolen. (Oddly enough the order was not extended to Hawaii where the government was monitoring an actual Japanese spy ring the order was not in effect - probably because with 30% of the population of Japanese descent the territory's economy would have collapsed). You may be wondering why one standard for FDR and another for Obama. I don't know that the answer to that but I will say that the divisiveness that Manny relishes in is the Republicans only hope in stopping the left from moving forward.

I am very sorry to hear about your family's struggle with the pain of racism in your family's experience. With my youngest daughter's engagement I now find myself the only Caucasian in our family unit and am pleased to tell you how little racist reaction we seem to get, so at least in some parts progress is being made. I very much appreciated your willingness to share your personal pain on a sensitive subject. Peace.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #189)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:08 PM

197. Thanks grantcart

and congrats on your daughter's engagement!

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Response to grantcart (Reply #189)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:21 PM

334. Thanks Grant....

Only once in the more than 11 years I've posted on this board have I been alerted on or had problems w/ the mods until I said I thought the OP was the most annoying Democrat I could think of.
He appears to have special status here at DU and his followers are legion. So, when I see this kind of in your face insulting of me and every black person on this board, I can only shake my head and wonder about all the glee generated in support of the OP.

I can't tell what's in the heart or mind of others, but,having been born 70 years ago in rural Mississippi I think I'm more than qualified to recognize racism when I see or hear it...even when the perpetrator sincerely does not believe or intends it to be.

I read and rec-ed the post regarding possible racist feelings toward the President and thought the OP may have been rather clumsy in his attempt to try and identify the misguided vitriol toward him, but the reaction has been astounding. In response, I posted this:Whiteness, NSA Spying and the Irony of Racial Privilege
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023050699

and wouldn't you know....crickets. Not even willing to consider or discuss.

Hopefully, by the time the grand kids are running the world this kind of stuff will just be history.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #111)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:04 PM

195. The problem with that logic is that when I say that I strongly oppose his

attacks on first and fourth amendment rights, I'm called a racist. Where, exactly, do I go to get my reputation back after that kind of attack?

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #111)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:26 PM

226. Thank you skidmore

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #111)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:32 PM

297. Please check your PM. Thank you for this post.

Though I'm sure you're already aware it will fall on deaf ears and extraordinarily closed minds.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #108)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:56 AM

115. We racists need a little space of our own right now

We've been found out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049348

and we need to confront our demons.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #115)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:06 AM

162. You actually made it all the way through

that dreck? I'm impressed.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #115)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:29 AM

168. Mock racism that looks like real racism and isn't meant to be funny

looks like real racism and really isn't funny.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #115)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:23 PM

224. You actually read that????

The only demon I confront is the demon rum, usually twice a week and that SOB wins, every damn time.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #108)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:26 AM

124. Wow, you again, are you an admin or something? How about you...

Stop trying to control posts you do not like! Alert it or shut up.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #108)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:24 AM

141. It wasn't meant to be funny.

There are plenty of 'insentive' OPs here that need your attention though, would you consider heading on over and suggesting they be locked up?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #108)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:30 AM

144. What gave you an idea this OP was intended to be 'funny'?


BTW, if you don't like the OP please feel free to use Alert, Ignore, and Trash features.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #144)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:22 PM

223. If it isn't funny, it's serious, and that would mean the OP is seriously racist,

wouldn't it? Is that what you're trying to tell me idwiyo?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #223)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:24 PM

225. Is there anything that ISN'T racist?


Hint: trick question.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #225)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:27 PM

228. If real racism looks the same as "mock" racism, maybe posting mock racism isn't such a good idea.

Ya think?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #228)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:35 PM

233. .... so... is there anything that ISN'T racist?


Hint: same trick question.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #233)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:39 PM

235. Yes of course. Why?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #235)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:06 PM

239. bbl nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #228)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:12 PM

291. Stupid ideas need to be mocked. Rush Limbaugh garbage doesn't belong here on DU, and no one

deserves mocking more than Limbaugh.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #291)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:17 PM

292. What are you talking about specifically?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #292)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:45 PM

300. Don't worry about it, everyone else knows.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #300)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:48 PM

302. Thanks for your deep thoughts then. nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #223)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:13 PM

240. I am trying to tell you that 'not funny' means 'OP is seriously racist'? Are you OK?

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #240)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:17 PM

241. Yes I am and yes you are. nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #241)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:29 PM

245. Are you familiar with a concept of 'sarcasm'? Your posts make it clear you are not.

Its nothing to be ashamed about, there are a lot of people who wouldn't recognise sarcasm even when it hits them on a forehead with a two-by-four. May I suggest a little bit of reading:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sarcasm

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #245)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:39 PM

250. There's no indication of sarcasm visible to me or to the NYT

should they happen to come calling. That's what I'm trying to make clear. Mock racism looks exactly like real racism and it's a bit of a shock to see it here. Can you understand that?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #250)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:53 PM

259. Yes, I know you didn't realise OP was sarcastic. That's OK. This is why I suggested you read

a little bit about sarcasm.

Now, can you please explain to me what does your failure to recognise sarcasm have to do with 'mock racism' and NYT? Or why should I (or anyone for that matter) care about NYT and their implied inability to recognise sarcasm when they see it?

Edited to add: and what is 'mock racism'?

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #259)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:06 PM

263. Topical humor is best left to professionals.

And sarcasm is a grossly inappropriate approach to this particular topic. It might seem funny to you and it might play well on TV but to anyone not intimately familiar with Manny's ever-changing persona it looks likes straight-up racism and violates the DU TOS, whatever intentions Manny and his respondents might have.

Now do you get it?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #263)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:15 PM

265. No, I don't. It takes a very... lets say 'special' kind of very convoluted thinking to conjure

your type of interpretation of what this OP is about. I do hope there are very few people who are capable of such... lets call it 'unorthodox' leaps of logic.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #265)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:30 PM

306. It just takes a little decency and common sense.

I wouldn't have thought those were in such short supply.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #306)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:37 AM

347. Judging by the content and quality of your posts... they are indeed. Points fo admiting your

shortcomings publicly though.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:59 AM

109. I thought I didn't like drones.


Turns out I didn't like black people. Can you imagine my shame?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:08 AM

121. My girlfriend of two years

Whose mother is white and father is AA, thinks it happened right about the time our Democratic president put Social Security on the table. It was kind of the last straw and I became a foaming-at-the-mouth racist from that point on. I also left the Democratic Party, which means I want Republicans to win and I really have no place on DemocraticUnderground any more. Just waiting for the inevitable PPR.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:19 AM

123. I criticized the policies of the federal government of the United States.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:27 AM

125. I Was on the Racist

spectrum early on during the first campaign when I started to notice that the words being spoken did not seem to say what the liberal interpretations said they said. I think my exact racist comment at the time was, "If this were 1976 he'd be a Republican." Mostly I blamed the interpretors, but hey... I voted with full understanding of that. When Guantanamo didn't close I became a little more of a racist, but I back tracked (walked it back) when some sort of health care reform was passed. The cat food commission definitely increased my bigotry. I then went wild with hatred when I read an editorial written by a member (color unknown) of the administration stating that basically, health insurance was headed for the same type of system as the 401k and that this was inevitable. That was the pinnacle of my racism. The surveillence boondoogle really hasn't increased my racism from that level, because I feel it is more a case of Kool Aid drinking than actual race. In fact, until many DUers equated anti-snoopism with hating Obama, I never really thought of it as an Obama issue. Which also makes me a hypocrite, because I always blamed this snooping on Bush when he was in the White House. Thanks, snoop-deniers!

Oh, wait, I forgot one. Being white, and blue-eyed, I am told that I am a racist simply by being alive, so essentially I've been racist since before conception. The very idea of me is racist.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:41 AM

129. I realized I wasn't going to compromise my principles. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:47 AM

131. When I voted for Obama twice?

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:55 AM

132. Me too! Which really shocked my interracial family...

 

Especially how quickly it happened, less than a year after voting for Obama (The 2nd time), and being upset (again) with Washingtons continued violations of our rights (1st, 4th), other people, strangers in fact, kindly pointed it out to me.

I am working on it though, thank you for your thread

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:57 AM

133. you racist, you nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:00 AM

134. When I wasn't getting a unicorn...

... or a public option for decent healthcare insurance.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:09 AM

136. I read some really awful stuff like Universal Declaration of Human Rights. :(

But it didn't stop my descent into racism right there and than...

I became convinced it applies to EVERYONE. No qualifiers, restrictions, etc. I even think it should be applied to non-Human species like Great Apes (just one of the examples) and AI.

I am so sorry...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:12 AM

137. I dared to suggest the NSA was breaking the law!

Why, the minute I did that, my Klan robes and pointy hood came in the mail the very next day!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:14 AM

138. I own firearms.

To many here that makes me a racist.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:22 AM

140. Good gawd. Every slight imagined or not leads to a woe is me I'm a victim OP by you.

The ones you need to feel sorry for you aren't worth the effort.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:27 AM

142. Opposing Keystone XL and TPP, the coming merger with China....

Racist AND Terrorist

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:35 AM

147. For me it was supporting an African American Candidate in 2008

who said he would change things for the better. I did it again in 2012. But he changed many things in the opposite direction, so I got disappointed. Silly me.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:42 AM

152. As an African-American, I became racist against myself a few weeks ago

 

after I read the Fourth Amendment and re-learned the government was spying on us.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:00 AM

160. My racism has evolved greatly over the last couple of years.

Not sure exactly when it reared its ugly head. When I hear things like this

"I suspect that, on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position. Social Security is structurally sound. It's going to have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neill." - Obama being asked what the major differences between he and Mitt in a debate.

my racist side seems to show itself. You see, I think that what is said by the President actually helps to shape public opinion. I felt racist emotions when he let the public know that the republican presidential candidates position on SS has validity. It is a dark side of me that I try to hide from.

Arming bad people in Syria has also brought out my racist side. New found love for the Patriot Act. Yep, that does it. ďWhatís she not telling you about her healthcare plan, It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you canít afford it, and you pay a penalty if you donít.Ē - Obama. Shit, at one point we agreed on that. But now that he has evolved I am a racist. My stance against NAFTA, dammit, racist.

Overall it is something that I have become over the last couple of years. Can't really pinpoint the date.


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:01 AM

161. It happened to me after I worked my ass off to elect Obama in 2008.

I was okay with black people at that point...

But somewhere along the line, the failure to prosecute or even strongly criticize the war crimes of Bush, the failure to strongly advocate for the public option, the troop surge and increasing death toll in Afghanistan, the bailout of the banksters and the failure to bailout the homeowners, the massive war on drugs, the cutting of the home heating oil assistance program, the appointment of Republicans, the appointment of drug corporatists, the appointment of Wall St. sleazebags, the assault on teachers, the failure to put on comfy shoes and stand up for unions.... it all sort of built up.

And then... I guess I became a racist because it wasn't really all about that. I guess I just realized I don't like black folks like my sister-in-law.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:23 AM

165. I must have been a racist all along.

It's apparently racist as hell to hold people who should know better to a higher standard. Maybe it was racist for me to think that he knew better. I'll say one thing for racism, though, it makes a person much more aware of politicians' words and deeds.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:25 AM

166. apparently ive always been a racist misogynist who humps guns ?! things you learn here! nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:27 AM

167. It's easier to be tolerant of *those kinds of people* when they deliver the promised pony.

It is one thing to talk about racism within the context of the 30% of the public who won't vote for him no matter what.

It is something else entirely to throw it around here.

"The president of the United States is a victim of racism" is the kind of sentence that brings ones credibility into question.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:31 AM

170. I was born here, on Planet Terra.

And I'm just incensed with all these illegal aliens taunting us with their anti-gravity ships. I'm so mad at them for never sharing a single bit of their superior technology that I could shout at a cloud!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:33 AM

171. I'm Irish/American: It seems we don't even like each other

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:33 AM

172. It looks like a direct hit on those raw nerves.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #172)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:29 AM

182. It was a very large bulls eye.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:02 AM

176. I don't know when or how it happened.

But one day, I logged on to DU and found out right away.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:13 AM

177. I criticized Obama ...so according to the authoritarians & worshippers ...I am a racist.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:35 AM

183. "I Was Really Drunk At The Time..."





& Rec !!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:37 AM

185. It was a short leap from admiring Elizabeth Warren's to hating anyone who didn't look like her. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:41 AM

188. I think, therefore I am, I guess.....





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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:54 AM

192. So... how did YOU become a racist?

The Vietnam war. I've had a profound hatred for American Presidents ever since of both political parties.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:00 PM

193. I was in a sociology class in the 70s. Our Prof said that everyone has some class or race of people

they do not like and asked us to think about who we did not associate with when we living in our home areas. I was going to say NO ONE until I thought about it.

I came from an almost totally white area of Iowa so it was hard to answer that question. But using the definition for bigotry it was easier. Most of our communities were divided into ethnic groups/religious groups depending on immigration patterns in the past. My great grandparents had been involved in the KKK but not against racial groups instead we hated the Catholics and they hated us. In my school class one of the boys talked about how the Catholics joined the KKK to fight the Protestants and I talked about how my family did for the exact opposite reasons. Our families both had the white robes to prove it.

In the 70s there was no more KKK but we still lived in groups who strongly disagreed on religion - even to the point of not encouraging intermarrying. I had to admit I was no more innocent than anyone else in that class room.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:01 PM

194. Trust me. Anyone that disagrees with President Obama is a racist.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:06 PM

196. I suppose

when I saw hoses and dogs attacking Black children.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:08 PM

198. But I'm a Cheerleader

I can't be the hateful one, I'm a cheerleader!

All the good people are where I am, cheering our side on.

How can you deny our cheer, can't you hear it's perfect rhyme and reason?

Why are you so full of hate, it must be because of my team's color.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:53 PM

202. Back in 2008, I said something nice about Hillary Clinton and her campaign during the primaries.

That was the first time I believe someone implied I was a racist.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:53 PM

203. 200 replies, but none of you guys bother to write letters to newspapers or to Congress

Sad

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #203)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:04 PM

207. Are you an NSA plant?

Collecting and reporting on letter writing data for people in this thread?

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Response to LWolf (Reply #207)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:23 PM

303. Are you a HS grad?

What kind of career puts you in a chair writing these pathetic posts all day?

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #303)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:45 AM

351. Oh, the irony.



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Response to LWolf (Reply #207)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:53 PM

329. No, the NSA hires contractors for their astroturfing operations.

Which means he doesn't work directly for the government.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #329)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:29 PM

352. (1) make shit up

(2) post it on the internet

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #203)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:29 PM

230. And you would be wrong and talking out of ignorance.

that's what's sad, is that you think you can say something like that when you have no clue.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #203)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:47 PM

237. You assume much, and assume it wrongly. nt

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #203)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:38 PM

249. Your posts don't make much sense.

Objectively, how do you know who we are and how much we write to Congress? I mean seriously, how could you POSSIBLY know that? I'm really, truly curious.

If there is no way you could possibly know, why take it upon yourself to criticize, without cause, 200 people who are ostensibly your allies? You ARE a Democrat, right? but you actively seek to insult and possibly make enemies of other Democrats? Why? Truly, why?

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #203)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:45 PM

253. where do we log those hours?

are you in human resources?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:02 PM

205. When, in '08, before being elected,

Barack Obama told FOX News that Republicans "got" education better than Democrats.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:05 PM

208. I just generally dislike the Portuguese.

And sometimes Australian aborigines really set me off. And anyone who speaks Esperanto. Other than that, I'm accepting of pretty much everyone. Oh yeah, except for Canadians.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:47 PM

211. When I shed my slavish devotion to the party n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:12 PM

219. I was born this way. I got my dark skinned mixed race female LGBT Yellowdog

bleeding heart tolerant hippie radical liberal social worker anti-fascist racism directly in the womb, apparently.

This should be completely evident from my sig line below.

Born This Way ~ Lady Gaga

Don't be a drag, just be a queen
Whether you're broke or evergreen
You're black, white, beige, chola descent
You're Lebanese, you're orient
Whether life's disabilities
Left you outcast, bullied, or teased
Rejoice and love yourself today
'cause baby you were born this way

No matter gay, straight, or bi,
Lesbian, transgendered life,
I'm on the right track baby,
I was born to survive.
No matter black, white or beige
Chola or orient made,
I'm on the right track baby,
I was born to be brave.

I was born this way hey!
I was born this way hey!
I'm on the right track baby
I was born this way hey!

Same DNA, but born this way.
Same DNA, but born this way.
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Pretty, pretty please, don't you ever ever feel, like you're less than, fuckin' perfect, to me.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:16 PM

222. I guess it was when I realized that health care was a right due to all citizens of the US

and that we each had an obligation to all in that regard, and all had an obligation to each. I could not square this belief with the way the heinous "Obamacare" act force-fed people into the jaws of an abusive financial racket, enlisted the coercive powers of government into the service of that racket making no effort to control costs, and absolutely denied health care as anything like a human right, but instead condemned all to the racket's cradle to grave predation.

Ever since then, kind people, who know better than I, have been informing me that my real reason for believing health care is a human right due to every citizen is because I am in fact a racist.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:28 PM

229. Perhaps when I didn't condemn Joe Biden for...

referring to Obama as "articulate"?

I mean, really, we were coming off of 8 years of this:



and "articulate" was high up on my pony list.

Shoot me.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:31 PM

231. when I didn't get a pony....

eom

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:39 PM

234. Call me a racist? Just leave, and here- Let me hold the door open for you...

Let's start THAT debate again...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:19 PM

242. i think it was after the second time i voted for obama that i realized i was a racist..

sure, it dawned on me in 2008, when I was buying up Obama shirts, posters, and decals, and donating money directly to the campaign, that perhaps I was bigoted.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:33 PM

247. During the Bush Administration

I was trendy then, now I'm a racist because I'm not fond of the Patriot Act. It's funny how civil rights go out of style.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:49 PM

255. I was raised that way. I got over it.

Bake

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:52 PM

258. I read articles by Cornel West, Tavis Smiley, and Charles Blow...all critical of President Obama

The 3 of those guys are most definitely racist toward Obama, so I thought I'd be a racist, just like them.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:05 PM

268. My parents always taught me better and my Grandparents lived in an all black neighborhood

 

in Washington D,C.. I played all day with all black kids and none of us cared. In the late 1950's my older brother and his friend (whom had married a black girl) went to Mississippi to work on voter registration drives. I'm so tired of this "racist" meme.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #268)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:34 PM

281. N/s

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #281)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:24 PM

295. Whatever. lameo

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:18 PM

269. You're Easy Breezy and I am Japaneezy

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #269)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:39 PM

273. now that is funny......



to you for one of the funniest replies i've read in a long time.

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #273)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:46 PM

275. I love that song and Utada Hikaru ..

When I first heard it, I knew exactly where she was coming from!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:33 PM

270. when i went through mississippi when i was a kid in the 50`s

those "colored only" or "white only" signs made me realize just how privileged i am.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:34 PM

271. When I decided to enter a half marathon.

A full marathon was just too much. I discriminated against longer races....

Oh, we talking about favouring one human versus another because of their historical ancestry? Please. Fill me in.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #271)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:41 PM

274. I'm a proud racist!

I don't like NASCAR, Drag Racing, boat racing, Three legged sack races. I don't like track or hurdles. I don't like races of any sort. I don't even like the Kentucky Derby.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #274)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:39 PM

282. damn races! n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:36 PM

272. It was when I acknowledged the fact that I am an unwilling participant in the race to the bottom.

Or does that make me a merely racer?

I'm so confused now...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:17 PM

279. I can't be!

If I hate this or that race, I'll end up just hating part of me.

My family lines are world wide!

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Reply #279)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:51 PM

283. You are self hating racist mongrel, just like me. It's a very sad, sad case. :(

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:04 PM

285. When I realized due to my multi racial heritage

that if I couldn't find someone to argue with I could insult myself. The hispanic side of myself could accuse the Irish/Scottish side of racism. And the German protestant side of my ancestry could call the Sephardi Jewish side a Jesus killer.

So much easier than having to pick a fight with a complete stranger !

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:06 PM

287. I had sex with a racist without a condom. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:11 PM

290. Ever since a bunch of white kids kicked my ass because of my black girlfriend...

this was in 1967 and i hated white people ever since.

oh, yeah- and i'm white.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:18 PM

293. Are you serious?

You're been ranting against this President for years and now you're trying to claim that it's only been the last few weeks that you've been critical of him. I don't know if you're a racist. Only you know that. But it seems that someone hit a nerve with you.

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Response to One of the 99 (Reply #293)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:36 PM

299. Yep. With him and judging by the posts, several others as well

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Response to Number23 (Reply #299)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:42 PM

310. Look down thread

I was single for 39 years and I've dated enough races, ethnicities and foreigners to have an opinion and anecdotal story or two.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #310)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:50 PM

327. Do I have to? Upthread was bad enough.

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Response to One of the 99 (Reply #293)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:25 AM

343. he was also dismissive of FDR and internment camps

when someone brought that up when he keeps trying to hold FDR up.

i find this to happen a lot. people attacking Obama while dismissing things others did , including wingnuts like the Pauls who would have opposed civil rights acts.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:34 PM

298. I was born white

in the USA.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:37 PM

308. When Paula Deen French-kissed me

My mouth still tastes like bacon and burnt robes.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:39 PM

309. I was 19

He was 34 and over here from United Arab Emirates - the only male out of 13 children trying to avoid scud missiles.

I didn't become an ageist for another 16 years.

Looked around and realized I had way too many rich ex's in their 50's.

Maybe I should post this in the Woman's World group.

Hilarity and laughter ensues.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #309)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:57 PM

330. Ah, this is the "down thread" post. Thanks goodness!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:00 PM

314. I think a lot of us became racists the same way we became anti-semites

If you criticize someone's policies, you must be blinded by racism or religious prejudice, even if a lot of members of the group you supposedly dislike agree with your criticism.

I wonder what group I hate because I think George Lucas screwed up the last three Star Wars movies. I guess I'm an anti-wookite now.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:07 PM

315. Some of us

Never said people against Obama were racist,
any more than we were Sexist for opposing St.Hillary back in 2008.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:10 PM

316. I grew up in the state in which the electorate recalled an outstanding US Senator for having had the

temerity to support civil rights. My maternal grandfather had been his (Al Gore, Sr.') early campaign manager. That grandfather and my father left me without a racist story to tell. I am grateful and salute them both.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:12 PM

317. Humans are miserable know-it-alls.

Woof!
Where's my dinner?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:13 PM

318. by summary judgement and declaration by fellow DUers

eom

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:44 PM

325. I Haven Given This Some Serious Thought

It goes back to when I was in the womb.

I remember fantasizing about Raquel Welch while masturbating.

And then I stopped.

I remember thinking, "How could I be fantasizing about Raquel Welch?? I have never seen her and have no idea who she even is. This is some seriously f**ked up s**t."

I hope that explains things.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:47 PM

326. I will let you know as soon as it happens..

Maybe I'll try the 4th Amendment and see if it works....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:00 PM

331. I think it was when Van Jones was asked to fall on his sword

Before that I'd walked, spent money, phone banked, and voted to get a black man elected president. But after Van was sacked I swore I'd never vote for another black man.

Wait a minute. That can't be right. I walked, spent money, phone banked, and voted to get a black man elected president again last year. It must have been some time in the last 7 months. Kind of late in life to become a racist, but it must be true, since I read it in GD

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:14 PM

333. It must have started

with those sit-ins I did in the 60's.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:39 PM

335. The first time I watched 2001 A Space Odyssey .......

......I didn't get it either.

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Response to chknltl (Reply #335)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:44 PM

337. I enjoyed it until I found out what it was supposed to mean.

Buzzkill.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #337)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:05 PM

355. Extraterrestrial Xenophobianism? Well there's a good reason for that!



They are after our women folk!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:43 PM

336. I saw Halle Berry in "The Last Boy Scout", thought "She is FINE!", and I knew I was a racist.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:47 PM

339. Weird. I was not a racist about the Bengazi or the IRS scandal. But the NSA one made me racist! n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #339)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:16 AM

341. Many of us.

We need a support group.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:09 AM

340. Got out of bed this morning.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:54 AM

346. I'm not, never was.

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