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Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:54 PM

Serious question about Obamacare...

I just got a forwarded e-mail critical of "Obamacare," the writer claims that in England, patients cannot sue a bad doctor or other health care provider.

The writer also states that under "Obamacare," our right to sue for malpractice even in egregious cases is curtailed.

Having sued an ER "doctor" (who ignored my broken collarbone,) about 20 years ago, this does concern me.

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Archae Jun 2013 OP
Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #1
Archae Jun 2013 #2
Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #6
magellan Jun 2013 #3
arcane1 Jun 2013 #4
Archae Jun 2013 #7
Cicada Jun 2013 #5
Archae Jun 2013 #8
Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #9
Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #10
kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #11

Response to Archae (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:55 PM

1. Total horseshit. It's coming from the same people who thought tort reform would solve our problems.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:57 PM

2. Cite?

Oh, believe me, I know how bad "tort reform" is.

Lets bad health care providers off the hook, and those promised reductions in premiums never showed.

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:07 PM

6. Here is proof that Brits can sue for malpractice...

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/medical-malpractice-liability/uk.php


The ACA does little or nothing to reform malpractice law. And, in that very respect, one should expect the same capacity to bring forth malpractice claims. It has been the claim of opponents since the beginning that the ACA would actually lead to more "frivolous" lawsuits. So to see the exact opposite claim now provides self-evident proof that it is absurd.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:01 PM

3. It's BS

Brits can and do sue the NHS.

The ACA claim, I don't know.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:04 PM

4. "a forwarded e-mail" is a red flag. Does this email have any citations or links?

I'm interested in knowing what the email's solution is. From the left, there are plenty of arguments against "Obamacare", but it seems odd that this email is against the tort reform that republicans are always endorsing.

I would need to see the text of this email, and the sources for its claims about England and about Obamacare.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:07 PM

7. Already deleted the e-mail, since it was a forward.

No, no cites in it.

Just the "Obamacare won't let you sue" text.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:06 PM

5. here's a cite

first, over 90% of mass emails are false - so even without a cite you can assume it's wrong. But it's easy to search, and find things like this

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/05/health/youn-liability-reform

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Response to Cicada (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:14 PM

8. Thanks for the cite, BUT...

The writer of this article obviously won't address why people sue in the first place!

Because doctors and nurses do *NOT* self-police their ranks.

I have a sister who saw doctors who would fail DUI roadside tests in ER's.
Had she reported Dr Lush, she would have been blackballed.

There are guys in jail for multiple rapes who still have a license to practice medicine.

"Tort reform" is a lie created to let insurance companies and health care providers off the hook even for egregious violantion, like cutting the wrong leg off a diabetic patient, even though the gangrenous one is clearly labeled.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:15 PM

9. Even with cites, you can assume it is wrong.

I cannot tell you how many emails I have gotten with links included, but if you click the link, it says just the opposite of what the email says. I guess no one that already believes this shit checks the source.

This especially happens with "Snopes says this is true", with a link to the "false" Snopes article. I would laugh if it were not so pathetic that people write these emails, and fall for them.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:54 PM

10. Tort reform took the wind out of the sail on suing, before Obama care.

In the early days after ACA was passed I was sitting in a medical waiting room listening to a Medicare patient claim "we had good medical care until Obamacare passed and now it is ruined". I continued to listen and of course where did she get her source, FOX news.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:03 PM

11. More RW BS. Obamacare regulates medical insurance.

It has no bearing on tort law.

This claim is just a first cousin to the death panels claim.

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