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Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:49 PM

Facebook tracks you even if you do not have an account.

Logged in, or logged out, or not a member...doesn't matter.
Those "like" buttons, seen on so many web pages, including DU, are trackers.

From Facebook FAQs...
If youíre logged out
or donít have a Facebook account
and visit a website with the Like button or another social plugin,
your browser sends us a more limited set of information.
Like other sites on the Internet, we receive information:
about the web page you're visiting,
the date and time and other browser-related information.
http://www.facebook.com/help/293506123997323/

What to do about it:
Lifehacker article has some tips, here: ( at bottom of article there are links to some privacy apps for Chrome and FF)

http://lifehacker.com/5843969/facebook-is-tracking-your-every-move-on-the-web-heres-how-to-stop-it

for those who do not know what "persistant storage cookies" are:
Some Flash-cookie (LSO) properties in short...
- they are never expiring - staying on your computer for an unlimited time.
- by default they offer a storage of 100 KB (compare: Usual cookies 4 KB).
- browsers are not fully aware of LSO's, They often cannot be displayed or managed by browsers.
- via Flash they can access and store highly specific personal and technical information (system, user name, files,...).
- ability to send the stored information to the appropriate server, without user's permission.
- Flash applications do not need to be visible
- there is no easy way to tell which Flash-cookie sites are tracking you.
- shared folders allow cross-browser tracking, LSO's work in every flash-enabled application
- the Flash company doesn't provide a user-friendly way to manage LSO's, In fact it's incredible cumbersome.
- many domains and tracking companies make extensive use of Flash-cookies.
This kind of cookies is not harmless.

What to do about it:
One option ( I would love to hear about others)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/betterprivacy/

Edited to add:
Ghostery for Firefox stops trackers very well.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ghostery/?src=cb-dl-mostpopular

I use both of the above, plus Ad-Block.
Pages load much faster, too.


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Reply Facebook tracks you even if you do not have an account. (Original post)
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 OP
dkf Jun 2013 #1
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #2
dkf Jun 2013 #4
graham4anything Jun 2013 #5
dkf Jun 2013 #6
graham4anything Jun 2013 #8
dkf Jun 2013 #9
Fumesucker Jun 2013 #10
graham4anything Jun 2013 #13
Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #33
graham4anything Jun 2013 #41
MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #31
reusrename Jun 2013 #36
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #37
reusrename Jun 2013 #40
graham4anything Jun 2013 #42
Monkie Jun 2013 #26
starroute Jun 2013 #3
arcane1 Jun 2013 #28
Agony Jun 2013 #7
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #32
Go Vols Jun 2013 #11
dkf Jun 2013 #12
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #15
Monkie Jun 2013 #27
backscatter712 Jun 2013 #14
dkf Jun 2013 #16
backscatter712 Jun 2013 #18
Progressive dog Jun 2013 #17
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #20
MrScorpio Jun 2013 #19
dkf Jun 2013 #21
MrScorpio Jun 2013 #22
dkf Jun 2013 #25
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #24
SecularMotion Jun 2013 #23
Monkie Jun 2013 #29
thefool_wa Jun 2013 #30
onestepforward Jun 2013 #34
TalkingDog Jun 2013 #35
Triana Jun 2013 #38
IDemo Jun 2013 #39
hunter Jun 2013 #43

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:56 PM

1. I turned off the location tracker in my phone to at least try to control my data.

 

Then it was such a pain to turn it on when I needed my map application. Moreover, turning off my location made so many of my phone's capabilities useless.

I hate looking at my phone realizing its an instrument of the government to violate my rights. Now all technology that tries to tie me into Facebook makes me resent the company and the government.

This surveillance is poisonous to our relationship with the government. We need to get rid of it or Democrats, who believe the government does good things, will be the losers.

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Response to dkf (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:58 PM

2. I am hoping that people are becoming more aware of how they are spied upon

AND how the internet is being used and controlled.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:06 PM

4. It's certainly a huge revelation to me.

 

I realized they could do it should they choose to, but thought they would never want to.

What I didn't realize is that they don't need to pick me, they have my data because they have everyone's data, all of it.

If anyone wants me to sign up for that, screw them.

It's all well and good for Mozilla users to know this, but I use tablets now, and this ios platform seems so much more controlled. And I can't remove the battery! Now my suspicious mind asks if that is on purpose.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:07 PM

5. It's too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Most everyone already eagerly signed away

 

their all when they signed up either on Facebook or amazon or for that matter any Hotmail/gmail or any other email account.

And I don't use any cash, therefore, any phone I buy is known the second I give my c/c.

So all of this is just much ado about nothing except to fracture the democratic party just in time for two special senate elections
to swing the status to republican.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:09 PM

6. Wow that is awful that you just accept this and say move on.

 

WTF?

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Response to dkf (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:17 PM

8. Keeping Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor and Rand Paul and Jeb Bush far from the white house is better

 

and I don't know about anyone else, but I always assumed in the last 50 years, that everyone is listening anyhow,
so this is nothing knew.

Of course, here NO ONE in government is actually spying or listening anyhow, but back in the day, people next to me in the park
at a political rally or at a book reading, gathering, whatever one always assumed someone was planted there.

And one kept going on.

Now its out in the open but it always was, and there is nothing revolutionary here.

IMHO.

What right has anyone lost? And is anyone not doing anything because of it? And why?

not to mention, anyone filling out any form whatsoever is known.

I think this all to stop a national gun registry, something that acutally should have been done decades ago.
That is what I think 100% of all the fear in this is. Hyperbole from the NRA and the 2nd amendment people mixing issues in and riling up people who think its about other things.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:20 PM

9. So you think this surveillance operation is okay because we can have Democratic presidents forever?

 

You should be more frightened of the capabilities you are giving them when one inevitably wins.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:20 PM

10. Walking while chewing gum

Practice makes perfect.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:27 PM

13. If zimmy from Florida were packing chewing gum instead of a bullet and gun...

 

if zim from florida was packing a pack of gum instead of a gun and bullet, Mr. Martin would be alive and well and living in Sanford.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:28 PM

33. Do you think the mother of Trayvon Martin would consider your post to be a worthy use of

her son's death? To me, it is as if you pick up his murdered body and use it as a sort of rhetorical human shield to protect yourself from having to make a reasoned and respectful response to others.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:26 PM

41. I think the reinterpretation of the 2nd to show militia(of course) means national guard

 

would be something all would agree on, from Al Sharpton to me and 100% of everyone else, don't you?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:19 PM

31. "What right has anyone lost?"...

To that, one must consider, "Who decides what is a "right"!

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:45 PM

36. The right to peaceably assemble.

 

It's a first amendment issue.

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Response to reusrename (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:05 PM

37. 4th Amendment: the right to be secure in their papers..........

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:20 PM

40. Well, there is that. But I am not sure that's what this is about.

 

I think there are two concerns, for sure. One is the privacy issue, along with all the questions of whether or not the laws are constitutional or whether or not they are even being followed. This has always been the case with the 4th Amendment, ever since the country was founded.

The second concern is completely new, and it has to do with the use of metadata. Metadata is used to create the targets for a counterinsurgency operation. Sometimes (or according to research, in most cases) the most influential person in a social network, or insurgency, is not the most high profile, or the most vocal, individual in the group. With very large groups (OWS for example), this new technology identifies those individuals who's participation in the group is the most critical.

That, in a nutshell, is what the metadata is being collected and used for. It should be obvious how this can affect our first amendment freedoms. There are a couple of stories floating around today about how the MIC is targeting opponents of the keystone pipeline. This counterinsurgeny technology is being used against law-abiding citizens right here in America.

Because the algorithms being used are easily handled by computers, and because no errors are introduced by trying to decode or translate any communication content, the system can create a very precise mapping of our social networks. Only actual metadata associated with each communication is logged into the software, and from that the algorithms sort out the social connections.

For some basic info about how the science is implemented, google the keywords: thesis+insurgent+social+network

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:28 PM

42. Smith vs. Maryland and then there is the one about a letter.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:54 PM

26. newsflash: desiring privacy makes you part of a evil republican plot!

 

because people did not properly read the small print we just have to accept it all.

all hail our great leader!

just because you dont want to use cash does not mean others cant attempt to improve their privacy.

all hail our great leader who can do no wrong!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:05 PM

3. Here's a page of hints I bookmarked a day or two ago

http://fixtracking.com/

I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but it's got a lot of suggestions.

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Response to starroute (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:58 PM

28. Thanks! Lots to check out there

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:09 PM

7. i think LittleSnitch from ObDev (controls all outgoing traffic) works, but now you have me curious..

LittleSnitch is OS X only but there must be a Win equivalent? right?

Ghostery?

Cheers,
Agony

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Response to Agony (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:26 PM

32. I have Linux so don't know about the compatibility issues.

However, the web sites of the blockers do tell you which OS they work on.
Usuall yif it works on Linux it will work on Windows, but not always the other way round.
I am pretty fond of Ghostery.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:21 PM

11. I use do not track me

Last edited Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:12 PM - Edit history (1)

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/donottrackplus/

along with no script,better privacy and adblock on FF.

If you want to see who makes it thru and is still tracking you,check out collusion : http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/collusion/

Edit: My computer has been running 4-5 days and only 4 sites I allow are tracking me looking at collusion.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:22 PM

12. Does that mean if we keep the Facebook link here on DU we are enabling the tracking?

 

I turned mine off earlier btw.

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Response to dkf (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:35 PM

15. Well, I am hoping turning it off is sufficient.

What is really annoying is finding those little icons on damn every page I browse..
but Ghostery assures me it is blocking the trackers.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:55 PM

27. ghostery leaves the icons there in case you wish to share once.

 

at least thats what it says.
they are placeholder images that replace the actual tracker.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:33 PM

14. Another good tool: DoNotTrackMe

https://www.abine.com/dntdetail.php

Available for Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Internet Explorer.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:39 PM

16. Ipad?

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:41 PM

18. Not that I know of.

These folks are apparently working on a mobile version though.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:40 PM

17. I use the same addons to FF, there are sometimes issues but they are worth it

Some examples 1) better privacy causes computer to freeze for 15-30 seconds when loading some websites
2) Ghostery blocks pictures of merchandize on Home depot but not for first page.
Also, under FF options, you can tell sites not to track.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:42 PM

20. hmmmm..you may have solved my freezing problem.

I know Ghostery says that it can cause script errors when used with other blockers..

recently have had freezing problems, did not consider it was Better Privacy, which I have been using for a long time now.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:42 PM

19. Everyone needs to watch "The President's Analyst" just once...

Because THAT is what they're aiming for.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:45 PM

21. This the one?

 

The President's Analyst (1967) More at IMDbPro Ľ

At first, Dr. Sidney Schaefer feels honored and thrilled to be offered the job of the President's Analyst. But then the stress of the job and the paranoid spies that come with a sensitive government position get to him, and he runs away. Now spies from all over the world are after him, either to get him for their own side or to kill him and prevent someone else from getting him. Written by Ken Yousten <kyousten@bev.net>

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Response to dkf (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:46 PM

22. That's the one

Great movie

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:51 PM

25. I'll be on the lookout.

 

Thanks

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:50 PM

24. I just read the plot overview on Wiki....chilling.

the movie was made as a comedy, in 1967, but today, sounds up to date.....aaaiieeeeee!!!!!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:47 PM

23. Thanks on the tip for Ghostery

I've been using AdBlock for years. I just installed Ghostery and several sites I visit often now load much faster. There are more than a dozen trackers blocked on each of the sites.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:06 PM

29. if you are interested in some background on how far this goes and the fight to stop it

 

the name that used to be used to describe this behaviour was "shadow profiles", facebook collects or collected a lot of data about you, not just from tracking cookies. i dont know about US law but in the EU there is a attempt to have this dealt with, firstly through Irish law, as that is where the EU HQ of facebook is, and at the moment by challenging this collection with EU data-protection laws.

http://europe-v-facebook.org/EN/en.html

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:34 PM

34. I just added Disconnect for Chrome.

Thanks, dixiegrrrrl!

I also have AdBlock, AVG Do not Track and AVG SafeSearch.

I'm not tech savvy, so if anyone knows if the above can be improved, please let me know.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:35 PM

35. Yep: Ghostery, AdBlock, AdBan

I realize there is revenue generated for people, but ummm... my privacy is more important than a revenue scheme.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:16 PM

38. I use Ghostery and AdBlock

Have for quite some time.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:50 PM

39. One other tool to consider

I have used Ghostery and Adblock for a while and have also added Facebook to my Windows hosts file.

http://cariblogger.com/2010/07/how-to-block-facebook-using-hosts-file/

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 05:07 PM

43. Facebook doesn't track me.

They are among the many sites I have blocked. If an advertisement irritates me then I add its source to my blacklist.

I don't have any persistent cookies either.

There are no Adobe products installed on my computer -- no Flash, no Reader, nothing.

The rare content I can't view? Well that's the advertisers' and site owners' loss, not mine.

At this instant there are cookies from two sources on my computer: from DU, and from YouTube because I let their videos show through on DU. Cookies all go away when I log off the computer.

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