House Democrat learns surveillance programs revealed in media are just "the tip of the iceberg"

[DesMoinesDem]

NSA revelations only 'the tip of the iceberg,' says Dem lawmaker


The federal surveillance programs revealed in media reports are just "the tip of the iceberg," a House Democrat said Wednesday.

Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.) said lawmakers learned "significantly more" about the spy programs at the National Security Agency (NSA) during a briefing on Tuesday with counterterrorism officials.

"What we learned in there," Sanchez said, "is significantly more than what is out in the media today."

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"I can't speak to what we learned in there, and I don't know if there are other leaks, if there's more information somewhere, if somebody else is going to step up, but I will tell you that I believe it's the tip of the iceberg," she said.

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Lawmakers demanded the briefings after revelations last week about the NSA's collection of phone records and Internet data, and Sanchez said lawmakers were "astounded" by what they heard.

"I think it's just broader than most people even realize, and I think that's, in one way, what astounded most of us, too," Sanchez said of the briefing.

Read more: http://thehill.com/video/house/305047-dem-rep-lawmakers-learned-significantly-more-about-surveillance-programs-in-nsa-briefing#ixzz2W1vDJJVM

[Autumn]

1. Tip of the iceberg. Damn, IMO it feels like the American people are the Titanic.

rec for the tip of the iceberg.

[blkmusclmachine]

6. +1. America IS the Titanic, and W., DC is the Captain.

They hate us for our freedoms.

[Monkie]

14. funny how fast this thread sunk too, some people seem so full of fear

while the meaningless threads trying to destroy the messenger are on fire, i sense fear.

[jeff47]

2. Golly, if only they'd bothered to show up at any of the previous briefings. (nt)

[RILib]

9. you're assuming they didn't

more likely, like Wyden, they were not allowed to say anything concrete or they were lied to.

[jeff47]

15. First, they're the ones making the rules. Thus, they can say stuff.

Second, they don't have to say a damn thing to end the program. They control the government's money. Don't like the program? Remove its funding. Program ends.

[PDittie]

3. B-B-B-But I thought

everybody knew everything about this already!

[Catherina]

5. That was some of the dumbest spin ever. From the usual partisans 2 so not surprising it was dumb n/t

[KittyWampus]

12. Actually, this is an old comment from Sanchez from several days ago.

[Monkie]

16. B-B-B-Bump for fear of the facts!!!

lets all discuss the messenger over and over and over and over....

[Pale Blue Dot]

4. There's a bus with Sanchez's name on it.... nt

[AnotherMcIntosh]

7. What could be more? Can they listen to your conversations while you cell phone is turned "off"?

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Yes

The details are in the article linked here.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023013492

Just look for the wired magazine article by Banford. What s all kinds of chuckles is we acused the Chinese of doing that

[Monkie]

13. how about store everything about everyone without a warrant.

and then once you have probable cause, for whatever reason, you get your warrant, and you can go back and `rewind` someones life.

this would fit quite well with all their dancing around with words.
personally, i would start from that point, and expect them to tell me or prove what they dont do, and not the other way around, i imagine it would be faster and make for a shorter list to discuss.

and yes with a warrant the FBI can listen to a modern phone, even when off, same goes for your PC´s mic and webcam, this is not new that is really really old tech. phone companies, for one, have the ability to push `silent` updates to your phone, many people have automatic updates turned on for windows too.

[Fearless]

10. Read between the lines....

Someone please expose this disgusting abuse of federal power.

[Monkie]

11. everyone cheerleading the spying needs to read and watch this

seriously, if the way Sanchez had to dance around to be able to say what she did, and what she said, does not disturb you, then we might was well all start practicing our goose-step.