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Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:08 PM

 

Albert Einstein died with a nearly 2,000 page FBI file

Surveillance = unaccountable, undemocratic power over persons who have done no wrong

"One need to only look to the operation of the House Un-American Activities Committee in the late 1940s and '50s to recall a time when rights were suspended and to be accused meant to be convicted of a thought crime. Often considered the smartest man of the last century, Albert Einstein died with a nearly 2,000 page FBI file.

J. Edgar Hoover gathered secret information on anyone and everyone of consequence, which gave him power over some presidents. In the 1960s, the FBI's COINTELPRO (counter-intelligence program) secretly monitored civil rights, anti-war and even feminist groups.

Hoover's "black bag jobs" against such public activists as Martin Luther King Jr., secret blackmailing attempts and nonjudicial "disruption" of these groups is what actually led to the Church Committee investigation of abuses and the creation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which the NSA has now effectively dismantled.

Who wants to go back to the good ole' HUAC-Hoover era?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/opinion/rowley-nsa-surveillance/index.html

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:17 PM

1. Last night on the Military channel they had a series on spies and double-spies. One spy and I

apologize for not remembering his name, but supposedly was the inspiration for James Bond. Anyway, the spy uncovered the Japanese plot to Pearl Harbor. The Japs were inquiring as to how many ships, etc. the US had in the Pacific and specific questions about Pearl Harbor. The spy (originally from Germany btw) came to the US from England and was finally able to get an "audience" with Hoover. Because Hoover hated foreigners, party boys (which this guy was..i.e. James Bond) he was dismissed and then followed by G-Men until he lost them in Aspen, CO. I'll bet Hoover was a bit perplexed on 12/7...

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:19 PM

2. And, he didn't even have a girlfriend in Hawaii or lie about his salary.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:21 PM

3. He was probably nice to his neighbors, too.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:50 PM

9. I'm sure the stickers on Einstein's laptop were legit, too.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:21 PM

4. J. Edgar Hoover is the father of the US surveillance state.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:24 PM

5. John Lennon file was huge as well

and they had one on Bob Marley. Not one was an American.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:33 PM

6. What a lightweight. These days that's nothing. nt

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:34 PM

7. Everybody peripherally connected with Oppenheimer had a huge file

Richard Feynman's required two agents to carry, supposedly.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:16 PM

13. I'm pretty sure he was joking when he said that. n/t

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:19 PM

14. Knowing Feynman, probably. Good story, though.

He's my favorite physicist.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:49 PM

8. Excellent essay. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:51 PM

10. Hoover had records on everyone with long hair

and possibly could think for themselves. He also use to lie to the public about their being no mafia.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:59 PM

11. Alas. I think you've hit on a generational divide.

Folks who don't remember HUAC, McCarthy, Hoover, Cointelpro, the Church Committee , Ellsberg, VN, Tonkin Gulf, Nixon's enemies list, the secret war in Cambodia... and who were protected from learning about all of the above by US pubic school revisionist history..... are probably wondering what all the fuss is about.


Have we no sense of decency? At long last ? Let's teach kids real history instead of warmed-over pap.

Jesus... it's no wonder they have no trouble fielding an army in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:06 PM

12. You're right. Real history is not being taught. I'll bet that lots have never heard of Peterloo.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:27 PM

15. With friends like these, who the fuck needs COINTELPRO?



With friends like these, who the fuck needs COINTELPRO?
I'm punch-drunk on the sickening cadence of iron-fists in velvet gloves.
The Cheshire grins.
The crippling Judas kiss to christen thee, a sinking ship.

"The purpose of this new counter-intelligence endeavor is to expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit or otherwise neutralize ..."
Any parades that you can't jump in front of!
Any long years of hard work that ain't yours!
Sometimes I wonder if you just can't help yourself?

Overhead bloodthirsty vultures circle patiently.
They offer condolences and whisper bitter eulogies.
Yes, "comrades" come as thick as thieves.
But you got another thing coming.
With friends like these, who the fuck needs COINTELPRO?

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