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Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:41 PM

 

Party loyalty or civil liberties?

What's more important to you if you had to make that choice? We may have to make that choice in the future.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:46 PM

1. I'll take Civil Liberties Please and Thank you....

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:48 PM

2. Civil liberties, hands down.

 

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:49 PM

3. What is sad is you need to ask this

Democracy Inc. read it...

Oh and it goes without saying... civil liberties

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:50 PM

4. civil liberties should always override party loyality

 

Otherwise, you are no better than the German Nazi party members in the 1940s. No politician or party should be given such loyalty that you go along with eroding the basic and fundamental freedoms in the U.S. constitution.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:50 PM

5. I'll say I won't give on the positions that made me choose to nd a Democrat.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:32 PM

6. Let's ask Benjamin Franklin.

 

" They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:40 PM

7. Fortunately, I get off the horns of that dilemma.

So to speak. My party stands firmly between my family and Republican rule.

While there is (clearly) much debate on Democrats' commitment to civil liberties, there is zero debate on where Republicans stand.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 12:03 AM

8. Occupy

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 04:48 PM

9. to the loyalists, liberties come solely from "the liberal party," no matter how illiberal the

party's actions actually are

something similar underpinned the 1976-83 Argentinean junta: security was more important than peace, justice, or prosperity, since those emerged from security: security was thus the only issue

or like how Qadima's sheep said they HAD to attack Gaza so that the warmongering party wouldn't get into power...

it's a mentality, not a lack of facts

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 04:55 PM

10. Civil Liberties for 200, Alex....

Unlike certain people (ahem, O) I do believe you have to draw the line somewhere.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 05:41 PM

11. Civil liberties (but have been registered D and voted D for 40 yrs as of 2012).

Held my nose a few times and I have voted Green in county elections in several cases where I was aware of back stories and agendas, primarily financial and land use.

Loss of civil liberties and real democracy part of the neoliberal economic pattern that has been replayed again and again since WWII.

The neoconservatives and New Democrats share the ideology of neoliberalism (Milton Friedmanism or Chicago School or Austrian even).

Principals of neoliberals are "free" trade, deregulation, and (pathological) privatization of the public commons.

Results of neoliberalism are a redistribution of wealth upward, short term profit at long term cost, senseless environmental damage, war, and ruined lives of peaceful people.

Neoliberalism doesn't work except for those at the top of the pyramid, and for them only short term. Neoliberalism is not based upon sound economic theory in model or by empirical studies.

Keynesian economics, a mixed social democratic capitalist economy, is the basis of the New Deal and Great Society and for most of my life the line that should not be crossed by the Democratic Party - to build a secure social democracy with liberty and entrepreneurship and free education.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 05:43 PM

12. Without party UNITY many of us would have no civil liberties. I'm for what works.

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