My occasional debate opponent, Rachel Marsden, says she has exclusive info re: Snowden

[stevenleser]

"I HAVE A MAJOR WORLD EXCLUSIVE RE SNOWDON/NSA, 1PM CST CHICAGO TIME. BUCKLE UP, THIS IS GOING TO GET CRAZY. THE NARRATIVE IS ABOUT TO CHANGE."

I am guessing the 1pm Chicago time is because it will be released then at the Chicago Tribune where she writes.

I have no idea what she is going to be saying.

[Whisp]

1. can we make guesses?

first of all, is Rachel Marsden a relatively honest person? Would you know that about her?

My first impression of that is that there is going to be info that is Against what Snowden is saying, and not supportive.

[morningfog]

2. I hope it isn't that he wasn't good neighbor.

In other words, if it is against what Snowden says, I hope it actually that and not some petty personal shit.

[stevenleser]

4. She has a lot of friends globally in the military, diplomatic and intelligence communities and

economically she is conservative.

She is in the position to have a scoop if that is in fact what this turns out to be. Honestly I have no clue what she is going to be saying. It could go either way. I am sure few of her friends are fans of what Snowden did, but she is not a fan of the administration either as she is a conservative.

[Monkie]

28. a right wing nut who is a apologist for torture?

classy, really classy, your excitement is quite revealing.

[stevenleser]

29. Your attempt to impute an emotion to me on this is quite revealing.

I have no idea what she is going to say, do you? She may be about to attack the administration using information about Snowden, she may attack Snowden, I have no idea.

I am completely emotionless on this because I have no idea what she is going to say.

Your attempt to smear someone without evidence tells anyone all they need to know about you.

[William769]

67. Your attempt to smear Steve has failed miserably.

If you paid for classes on smear campaigns, I would demand my money back.

[leftynyc]

70. You're getting pretty obnoxious

to anyone who wont bow down and worship snowden and greenwald. Doesn't do a damn thing to convince anyone and accusing people of being right wingers is against DU rules....you may want to brush up on them.

[Recursion]

8. Marsden's... interesting.

Canadian conservative, frequent Dennis Miller guest, has frequently been cited for stalking ex-boyfriends, including the founder of Wikipedia (seriously). That said, she's usually a decent reporter.

[Monkie]

42. yes the serial stalking and false rape accusations that got a person fired are "interesting"

http://www.salon.com/2007/03/29/marsden/

i read elsewhere in this thread she is close to the intelligence/military/diplomatic community, something sounds fishy?!?!!

of course this means if she has anything factual to say about snowdon she has proof for we can ignore it, right?!?!

see what i did there?

[Eddie Haskell]

54. His religious beliefs.

Ever been to Oahu?

[Eddie Haskell]

56. He's Romney's nephew?

[Whisp]

57. he's Greenwald's other brother Glen?

[Eddie Haskell]

60. He's Greenwald's significant other

brother Glenna.

[Whisp]

64. There's another thread here where Glen and Snowden are talking on twitter.

Glen's address seems to be legit and it is him, but there is suspicion on whether it's really Snowden or another account Greenwad just made up and is pretending to be him. Just to keep the story alive for a while longer while the Biggest Journalistic Prize for Glenn is being 3D printed.

[randome]

3. 'Narrative is about to change' sounds like not good news for Snowden.

But it could be taken in other ways, too.

So it will be on the Chicago Tribune web site then?

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[stevenleser]

5. I believe it will be on the Trib website at that time. She usually links articles on Facebook

I will put it in a new OP

[flamingdem]

6. waiting...

[CoffeeCat]

7. There is certainly a crazy, half-assed attempt to destroy Snowden...

I've seen articles about his lack of education, his laziness and the fact that he was unqualified to hold any job. It's ridiculous. Most articles omit that he had incredible computer/technical/programming skills. His technical expertise was impressive and propelled his career and enabled him to secure these jobs.

Someone is cherry-picking information from his resume and purposely destroying him.

I would think that anyone with two functioning synapses can figure out what is going on here. They're attacking the messenger. If the can make it all about Snowden, while discrediting him--the sheep will magically ignore that our government has the capability and authority to snoop (without our knowledge or consent) into our electronic communications and phone calls.

I mean seriously. Are people going to fall for the "Snowden is a bad, bad man" marketing blitz?

Are we that dumb?

I'm not suggesting that this will be the jist of the Tribune article, as I don't even have a guess. However, it is worth noting that there is a concerted effort to shift focus from our government to Snowden, and make him out to be a larger-than-life, evil villain.

[Poll_Blind]

10. Well-said. +1 nt

PB

[railsback]

11. Right now, there's 'Snowden is a hero' marketing blitz

Have those who jumped that band wagon been 'that dumb'?

[Whisp]

12. anyone who thinks the Iraq war was somehow 'noble' has got to have some evil in him.

would you agree?

some evil or lots of stupid. As for the rest - his education, salary and all that - meh. but that Iraq war thing is the cincher.

the guy is not to be trusted if that is how his mind works.

[morningfog]

14. His background and personal opinions don't concern me if

he is telling the truth. The character assassination is a distraction.

[Whisp]

16. we will see in the next few days, or earlier, what kind of character he really has. n/t

[morningfog]

17. His character doesn't matter.

All that matters is the extent of the NSA data mining program.

[Whisp]

18. what matters is

is he really working for someone
and not doing this for gawd and country
like he is claiming.

[morningfog]

19. That matters not at all.

What matters is the conduct of our government.

[Whisp]

21. so even if a Koch bro put up some cash for him to do this extra creamy scandal

with the help of libertarian Obama hater Greenwad?

Snowden brings nothing new to how the government conducts itself.

I suspect he is acting out a role.

but we will see, as always - we will see more in the next while.

[Whisp]

53. now you just made a good funny.

I'm too lazy, but if I searched I'm sure I could find some real good gossip and innuendo about the President. But that's ok! That's being a real liberal!

man o man.

[Whisp]

81. right, like Obama hasn't been called the most disgusting names here

and accused of any foul deed possible, all from people that have deemed themselves so much above it all and so much more left.

poor return there, seaglass. step it up.

[Whisp]

93. sure it is. everything Snowden is related to bad Obama and his secret weapons.

you in the same thread?

[morningfog]

97. That is some Obama victim chip on your shoulder.

[morningfog]

99. Everything is all about Obama with that poster.

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. HIS background IS the real story!

the fact that someone like him (with his background) has access to these files....the fact that we have privatized even HIS job is the thing that scares me more than the fact that they are storing this data!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

73. Does that also apply to Hillary and the others who signed on to IWR?

[Whisp]

75. yes. Hillary for sure yes.

others have made attempts what I could believe as genuine apologies or reasons, or something. Hillary, not so much. Clintons apologize to no one.

[randome]

13. No, we are not that dumb. Nothing is 'destroying' Snowden other than his own actions.

Such as running to Hong Kong after saying "I'm not going to hide."

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[morningfog]

15. But, what does that have to do with NSA data-mining?

[randome]

20. Other than a lack of evidence this is being done outside the NSA's rules, nothing.

All 3 government branches regulate the NSA. When an over-reach or mis-step is found, adjustments are made such as when the FISA court ruled against the NSA recently.

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[morningfog]

22. Again, what does Snowden's hiding have to do with that?

You are trying to conflate the NSA's data-mining and Snowden's character. I understand why you are doing it, but it is a very weak attempt to distract the issue.

[randome]

23. All we have to go on so far is Snowden's word.

We all judge a stranger by their actions, how they come across, their mannerisms, etc.

Since I don't know Snowden personally, his allegations and his behavior are all I have to go on.

And since I can't personally monitor the NSA, the weightier aspect is his behavior. His character.

So far he's not coming across very well to me.

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[Historic NY]

24. Bingo.

[msanthrope]

9. K&R but I think she should do it faster...I think the narrative is already changing. nt

[Whisp]

25. kick

[SidDithers]

26. Rachel Marsden? Well, there's an interesting personality...

I remember her from way back. Didn't realize she was still around.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2207880&mesg_id=2207933

I always wonder what flamethrowing conservatives are like off-camera. Is their on-camera persona a bit of an act, or are they really like that in real life?

Cheers,
Sid

[stevenleser]

27. In general, people in politics and/or media are very engaging off camera.

She is no exception, very friendly and nice.

There is no question that she believes the kinds of things she says though.

[cherokeeprogressive]

30. Kick for world changing news in 6 minutes

[randome]

31. Steve? Don't toy with our emotions.

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[Whisp]

32. Hope Rachel Mardon believes in being on time!

I know it's going to be a let down, but I can't help myself. I get this way sometime.

HOW MANY MORE SLEEPS????!!!

[maddezmom]

33. Just found this in townhall

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelmarsden/2013/06/11/nsas-prism-program-falls-victim-to-an-ego-trip-n1617707

[randome]

35. Not quite as advertised, is it?

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[maddezmom]

36. Yeah, not much news there

Maybe there is something else coming....

[Whisp]

39. maybe it was that girlfriend/spy story thing that was the news?

to me most everything else we have heard many times.

I think this was an opening story to prepare us of burying his nonsense and get him off attention. I wonder what Glenny is doing about now.

[Whisp]

38. yep, they (the collective media) are cutting him loose. Snowden story is over.

This is the first stone against him and I'm guessing he will just fade fade away like old jeans. But *whispers. really when he sort of disappears from the tubes, it was because he was kidnapped, kidnapped by obama himself and buried under Michelle's brocolli patch in her WH garden. yeh, shhhhhhhhh.

NEXT!

[zappaman]

41. +100!

I expect to see those words here soon!

[MineralMan]

43. Ho-hum. This is what will "change things?"

I guess not.

[dkf]

45. Smearing the girlfriend...that's just great.

[Puzzledtraveller]

46. What a smug personality this Marsden is

[Eddie Haskell]

55. I knew it!

He has that cult's haircut too.

[stevenleser]

59. Looks like that's it. Reading it now. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

94. Do you think that's all it is?

That the girlfriend made a blog post about dreaming she was a spy as a child?

Is Marsden really that stupid as to think that's 'narrative-changing', or do you think she was just winding you up?

[stevenleser]

95. I think that's it.

She made the narrative-changing claim publicly on her FB page so I don't think it was about winding me or any other individual person up.

This article is drawing an immense amount of criticism on progressive and libertarian right websites.

[steve2470]

78. this is exclusive info ? I don't see it yet nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

98. just your basic right-wing defense of the surveillance state which only during the last few days

has become your basic moderate Democrat defense of the surveillance state - Along with another one of hundreds and hundreds of pieces "spontaneously" popping up everywhere telling us that Snowden is a loner and a loser.

[Myrina]

34. He chews with his mouth open, has unpaid parking tickets and high cholesterol?

OMGZ!!!!!!!!!!!

[Puzzledtraveller]

47. No wait, he picks his scabs!

Those people always disgusted me and I would dismiss them outright.

[Laelth]

37. Still waiting ... n/t

-Laelth

[Whisp]

40. see reply 33, there is a link there.

Suppose that is it.

Doesn't quite fit the caps in the OP tho. At least to me. Maybe steven was being pranked.

[Laelth]

44. I hope that lame hit piece is not what Ms. Marsden was referring to.

Mr. Leser Indicated that the new info. would come out in the Tribune, so I have been regularly refreshing their website.



-Laelth

[Puzzledtraveller]

48. Just read it

Smug and petty sums up the writer for me.

[suffragette]

49. Hey, but from that, his girlfriend "promoted a dance show in which she performs as a spy"

Seems to me there's a lot of frustration about not being able to find personal info through Facebook and other online means, so people are going after any tangentially related info they can access easily.

edited for duplicate words

[steve2470]

50. the thing about Russia maybe taking him is all I see so far:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-edward-snowden-fired-20130611,0,895676.story

[DevonRex]

74. LOL, Russia would just love to have him.

But they might not get exactly what they're paying for.
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[Whisp]

83. If Russia has him, then only Sarah Palin will see him! n/t

[DevonRex]

88. LOL!! NT

[Bluenorthwest]

58. Why promote a right wing hack on DU? Hay to be made for all I guess.

Did her claims pan out?

[randome]

61. Is 'Chicago time' measured in 'business hours'?

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[Duer 157099]

63. LOL

I was beginning to wonder the same

[Bluenorthwest]

62. This is an example of your occasional opponent's work. Just so people can see.

I won't quote her here, but people should look at this and consider who we care to see promoted here.
http://www.rachelmarsden.com/columns/gaymarriage2.html

[stevenleser]

65. There is a reason she is my opponent. We disagree a lot. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

71. But I don't know your work with her, so all I see is this, which is promotion of her

and her work as a journalist, calling attention to her, couching her as a peer, pointing people to her and to her announcement, which no one here would know about without you.
You are her opponent like Jay Carney is Obama's opponent, at least in the here and now. You are doing her a kindness, that is what this is in entertainment and media, it is a kindness to help others get the attention you trade in.
So as a pragmatist Steve, I see your actions. Perhaps you define 'opponent' as 'volunteer press agent' how would I know?
Do you book as a sparring pair? Do you share any representation or other interests? Are the Washington Generals really the opponents of the Trotters or is it all showbiz? You tell me.
She's pretty extreme to drag around DU with a big bright for sale sign around her neck, that's what I think.

[stevenleser]

76. I can see you haven't thought this through so I am going to help you

I post all kinds of things on DU that I think are newsworthy. When I agree with a viewpoint, I am not exactly a shrinking violet about saying so.

I occasionally post things from Free Republic as do other DUers. They aren't doing that to 'Promote' Free Republic or the viewpoint being espoused there. When I post TV appearances, I am frequently up against conservative commentators. I dont post those videos to promote the conservative view being posted.

More to the precise point: When Donald Trump said that he had birther news about Obama that supposedly was going to change everything, I dont think we got after the folks who posted his pre-notice when he posted the actual stuff that was a complete fizzle.

That was Trump's responsibility to back up, not the responsibility of the folks who posted OPs on DU alerting us to Trump's claim.

[Major Hogwash]

80. Well said.

Are you an attorney?
Do you have one?
Do you need one?

[Bluenorthwest]

82. If that's how you see it, you might want to consider the way you present the material

You are promoting her as a person you know that you think we should pay attention to, not as a birther hack. You are not even being honest about what you are doing, nor did you answer any of the questions put to you about mutual interests with this person you are 'letting us know about'.
Donald Trump is pretty far off topic. Ranting when asked direct questions is always charming, but it is a tired tactic and makes me want to ask all the questions again. I asked about your relationship to this hack. You spoke of Donald Trump instead, Palin style.
I wish you very good luck, assuming it's show night.

[Whisp]

85. You might want to consider how you present your material as well.

and me mine. Everyone should be considerate that way.

[stevenleser]

86. That's ridiculous. Presenting someone as a political opponent and explaining I have no idea what she

is going to say is more than enough for anyone to get the picture.

[randome]

87. Worry not, Steve. The vast majority of us hold you in esteem.

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[Bluenorthwest]

89. She's a hateful person. Thanks for bringing her into my day, Steve.

I asked you questions about our relationship with her, professionally speaking, which you did not answer. And I will assume that which I assume is true because you won't answer when asked. Very simple questions. Very.

[stevenleser]

91. You know, I own one of the world's smallest violins just for these occasions.

The drama you are attempting to create over this is hilarious. All over DU we post crap from rightwingers to talk about all the time. In the LGBT group we note horrible things people have said about LGBT rights and then we discuss it.

Why are you trying to pretend this is somehow different?

Professional relationship? You already know it. We've appeared against each other a few times on TV on various economic issues. Which is pretty much what I said in the OP. You already had all the info you seem to be foaming at the mouth about.

[Marrah_G]

100. But have you broken a ballerina's heart lately?

Are you now, or have you ever been distant and aloof to your neighbors?

[stevenleser]

101. Yeah, exactly.

Sheesh

[MineralMan]

66. Breaking: Pole Dancing Girlfriend Says Snowden

farts in bed. - exclusive to Rachel Marsden

[DisgustipatedinCA]

68. Greenwald didn't tease his reporting. He reported it.

Maybe Greenwald thought he'd report this a week ago, but some delay popped up--I have no idea, and this is just by way of example. You want to get a prescience credit for having news before anyone else does, but as you're seeing, that can cut two ways.

[stevenleser]

69. I guess I dont see it like you do. If any pundit I know on FB made the claim she did, I would have

alerted fellow DUers with an OP.

Are you saying I shouldn't do that in the future because why?

Her claim itself was news. If another pundit made that claim and any of you saw it, I would expect you would post it too.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

72. Oh, I don't mean it's some crime for you to report it

I mean that she's left you kind of high and dry.

[stevenleser]

77. I don't feel that way. See my #76 above nt

[Bluenorthwest]

84. But that post is just nonsense.

It has lots of verbiage but does not answer any of the questions I asked you. It has a smug kick off. No responsive content.

[pnwmom]

90. So it's 3:41 Chicago time. Did she ever make her big announcement? Or was this it:

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelmarsden/2013/06/11/nsas-prism-program-falls-victim-to-an-ego-trip-n1617707

[tridim]

96. That was a hell of an excluive... Zip. Nada. Lame.