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Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:39 PM

A second grader responds to Ayn Rand.



A 2nd grader was given an Ayn Rand quote to respond to.
He wrote (in case you can't read it)

"This sounds like what a bully might say. This person might care more about themself then other people. She wants to be free from rules."

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Reply A second grader responds to Ayn Rand. (Original post)
Kablooie Feb 2012 OP
sufrommich Feb 2012 #1
FrodosPet Feb 2012 #87
Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #2
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #61
CanSocDem Feb 2012 #64
mrs_p Feb 2012 #3
Major Nikon Feb 2012 #12
DirkGently Feb 2012 #13
jsmirman Feb 2012 #15
DireStrike Feb 2012 #52
Fawke Em Feb 2012 #38
Major Nikon Feb 2012 #39
renie408 Feb 2012 #51
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #66
SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #71
Major Nikon Feb 2012 #78
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2012 #56
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #63
SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #73
KamaAina Feb 2012 #77
Nevernose Feb 2012 #98
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #62
The Doctor. Feb 2012 #82
Javaman Feb 2012 #83
rocktivity Feb 2012 #4
elleng Feb 2012 #5
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #67
SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #79
elleng Feb 2012 #81
Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2012 #6
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #68
Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2012 #85
Javaman Feb 2012 #86
southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #7
phasma ex machina Feb 2012 #10
thelordofhell Feb 2012 #8
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #9
thelordofhell Feb 2012 #30
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #36
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #72
Lunabelle Feb 2012 #49
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #70
Javaman Feb 2012 #90
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #69
Javaman Feb 2012 #91
JDPriestly Feb 2012 #11
limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #14
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #74
Javaman Feb 2012 #92
jsmirman Feb 2012 #16
Kablooie Feb 2012 #29
jsmirman Feb 2012 #33
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #75
devilgrrl Feb 2012 #89
white_wolf Feb 2012 #17
flexnor Feb 2012 #18
flexnor Feb 2012 #20
2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #23
flexnor Feb 2012 #24
jsmirman Feb 2012 #25
flexnor Feb 2012 #28
Chichiri Feb 2012 #31
thesquanderer Feb 2012 #44
Shankapotomus Feb 2012 #88
jsmirman Feb 2012 #22
Chichiri Feb 2012 #32
Nostradammit Feb 2012 #46
flexnor Feb 2012 #57
LynneSin Feb 2012 #19
spanone Feb 2012 #40
underpants Feb 2012 #47
LynneSin Feb 2012 #48
underpants Feb 2012 #50
white_wolf Feb 2012 #21
flexnor Feb 2012 #26
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #27
Bucky Feb 2012 #54
Sirveri Feb 2012 #34
Kablooie Feb 2012 #35
Fawke Em Feb 2012 #37
Land Shark Feb 2012 #41
2 Much Tribulation Feb 2012 #42
jillan Feb 2012 #43
Odin2005 Feb 2012 #45
Bucky Feb 2012 #53
RZM Feb 2012 #76
Bucky Feb 2012 #96
RZM Feb 2012 #97
Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #84
stockholmer Feb 2012 #55
Pakid Feb 2012 #58
libinnyandia Feb 2012 #59
ThinkAndActForMyself Feb 2012 #60
The Doctor. Feb 2012 #80
Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #65
fascisthunter Feb 2012 #93
moriah Feb 2012 #94
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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:41 PM

1. I love it! nt

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:15 PM

87. Got that right

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or of the one"

Our duty is to the human collective, not to the individual.

Just like a cancer cell, those that do what THEY want, and not what the collective NEEDS, are a dangerous malignancy to the world.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:42 PM

2. Kiddo nailed it!

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #61)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:22 PM

64. Tis you....



...lacking an understanding of how the world works.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:42 PM

3. That's hilarious, but what a weird assignment.

I've never read Rand, but by the reviews here on DU, she sounds like she writes at about the 2nd grade reading level.

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Response to mrs_p (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:50 PM

12. It's typical for here in the South

One of Ayn Rand's books often makes the reading lists for Texas high school literature classes.

Her books are what stupid people think smart authors sound like.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:44 AM

13. "what stupid people think smart authors sound like." I have had this EXACT thought.


It's an observation we made at home one night and still laugh about. ++

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:48 AM

15. Well put

not always in step with your style, but I like the way you put this one.

Funny it's close to what I have always said about Family Guy, "it's 'smart' television for stupid people." Of course, a kid I grew up with is a writer for the show, and the episodes of his I've seen are pretty hilarious. And he was always very funny.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:48 PM

52. So... what is smart television for smart people?

Limit responses to basic cable, please.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:34 AM

38. Must just be Texas and not the entire South.

My son has never read Rand and he's now in the seventh grade.

We're in Tennessee.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:57 AM

39. It seems to be teacher dependent

One of my kids had to read Ayn Rand in high school and the other didn't. The one that did had an obvious wingnut for a teacher.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:17 PM

51. A.R. was on the list for SC, but we chose other authors. n/t

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #66)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:33 PM

71. 'a fullgrown dumbass'

You. Quite clearly.

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #66)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:40 PM

78. 12 posts and you're still here

You must type fast.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:12 PM

56. Oh, that's a keeper!

"Her books are what stupid people think smart authors sound like."

Simply perfect...that's a keeper!

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:22 PM

63. Her books are what smart people think smart authors sound like

 

You have Rand confused with Karl Marx if you think that her books are what stupid people think smart authors sound like.

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #63)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:35 PM

73. Give it up, already.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:39 PM

77. That's pretty much what Paul Krugman said about Newt

"He sounds like a stupid person's idea of what a smart person sounds like."

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 12:47 AM

98. The Ayn Rand Foundation gives her books away for free

So it's not the South, it's nationwide. For a secondary English teacher who doesn't have books or supplies, a free class set is often tempting. In fact, my wife taught Anthem last year because it was the only book available.

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #62)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:48 PM

82. You're obviously not the sharpest bulb on the chandelier.

 

Otherwise you'd have developed a social philosophy that recognizes that 'survival of the fittest' is antithetical to a civilized society.

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #62)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:49 PM

83. well that was a rand type word salad.

I know you are no longer her, but I'm sure you can still read these messages.

nice fail.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:44 PM

4. Special Achievement DUzy Nomination!

This kid has got your number, Annie!


rocktivity

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:45 PM

5. SMART!

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #67)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:42 PM

79. "ThinkAndActForMyself" an Ayn Rand fan.

How delish.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #79)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:48 PM

81. Yes, and having 'fun' here today, methinks!

I'll 'ignore,' for the moment.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:49 PM

6. Hey, teabaggers & rethugs: Are You Smarter Than a 2nd Grader?

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #68)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:58 PM

85. If you're a 'randian' and your day's been made you have only yourself to thank.

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #68)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:09 PM

86. So how is 3rd grade? nt

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:19 PM

7. Out of the mouth of babes.

 

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:27 PM

8. I like South Park better

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:31 PM

9. I was an Ayn Rand follower in high school. Then I got out in the real world.

Her books are no different than Lord of the Rings. Total fantasy. But Alan Greenspan loved her and he destroyed us. Asshole.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:03 AM

30. Like The Man Said......

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."-----John Rogers

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:30 AM

36. I wasnt familar with that quote. I guess great minds think alike. lol. Thanks. nm

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:06 PM

49. This is a great quote

Thank you.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:32 PM

70. You're thinking of crony capitalism, not objectivism

 

Countries with the freest markets have the highest levels of freedom.

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #70)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:26 PM

90. Also have the lowest paid employees. nt

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:31 PM

69. South Park's writers are libertarians

 

and they put this speech in the mouth of a retarded state thug. Look things up before making absurd statements.

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #69)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:27 PM

91. and you have a link stating that the south park writers

are libertarians?

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:49 PM

11. Excellent! Says it all.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:47 AM

14. smart kid

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:35 PM

74. The kid is Ralph Wiggum

 

"Me fail English? That's unpossible. Ayn Rand sounds like a bully."

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #74)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:28 PM

92. The writers on the Simpsons are Liberals.

so what do you watch? is it either south park or the simpsons?

or should I "look it up"?

you are a clown.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:53 AM

16. Please tell me this is real

because a 2nd grader telling Ayn Rand to cram her books sideways is great, great stuff.

I overheard two college kids trying to make sense of what the fuss was about Ayn Rand. I excused myself, explained that her crap has always bugged me, and told them that people proselytizing Atlas Shrugged are just assholes looking for justification for their selfishness. And that if you encounter anyone geeked about Ayn Rand, the best thing to do is just "run." They dug it.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:53 AM

29. I believe it is real. I got it from a friend on Facebook.

The original message said is was from a friend's son.
Of course a friend of a friend of a friend's son isn't very reliable but it sure looks and sounds real.
The fact it's a photo helps.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:41 AM

33. And it's SPECTACULAR

sorry, I couldn't pass up the Seinfeld joke.

I was kind of imagining someone painstakingly imitating the hand of a second-grader, knowing the finished product would knock it out of the park.

But going on what you say there, well, I choose to believe. It's too great to not prefer that option.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:57 AM

17. Wait, who makes a 2nd grader read Ayn Rand?

That should be child abuse. I find it very ironic, I bet if it was Marx quote parents would be up in arms over communist and atheist propaganda, despite the fact that Rand likely hated religion more than Marx did. He just seemed to think it was rather foolish and sometimes useful for rulers, Rand seems to hate it with every fiber of being. Or maybe hate is just her default setting.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:05 AM

18. Rush 2112 album was credited to 'the genius of Ayn Rand'

 

on the cover

i never noticed it back then, and would have had no idea what it meant

good album though

at the time i listened to it, i didnt think of it as indulging in philosophy, i thought i was just smoking hash and blowing off home room in the north parking lot at high school

but, rand is in the lyrics in 2112 and 'tree's in particular, it screams Ayn Rand

There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the Maples want more sunlight
And the Oaks ignore their pleas

The trouble with the maples
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade?

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream 'Oppression!'
And the oaks, just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
'The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light'
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet,
Axe,
And saw...

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Response to flexnor (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:21 AM

20. rush 2112 lyrics

 

"We've taken care of everything
The words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why

We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls

Look around at this world we've made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the Brotherhood of Man
Oh, what a nice, contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand

We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls

"

both sets of lyrics scream the Ayn Rand creed of "I am an exceptional individual, and I could make life a utopia for all, if i just didnt have to listen to you lessor average beings"

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Response to flexnor (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:26 AM

23. Neal Peart had a severe case of youth assholism in the 70's.

I hear he's gotten better.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:39 AM

24. my first concious exposure to ayn rand was in the late 1990s, watching 'The Fountainhead'

 

with gary cooper, 1948 movie

architech doesnt like modifications made to his 'exceptional' building, so he blows it up

(overlooking the minor detail that the materials he destroyed were not his)

realy found it repulsive, and odd for the 1940s, and was greatly surprised that it was a movement that lived into today (and actually dominated the time, via allan greenspan, a statist who destroyed anyone who didnt dance to the asset class he favored at the moment

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:44 AM

25. That's good to hear

as I was saying, not much of a Rush fan (just don't care for the music), but it seems like they've been pretty philanthropic in the recent past.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:50 AM

28. never really liked anything after 'a farewell to kings'

 

seemed like once they made it to commercial radio, they lost their edge

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:41 AM

31. Indeed, he went from 2112 to Territories to The Larger Bowl.

That's evolution.

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Response to Chichiri (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:01 PM

44. The "larger bowl" sounds like where a lot of this stuff belongs. (n/t)

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:21 PM

88. LOL...in a way I agree

But the song does do quite a job at vindicating Peart's past lyrical-philosophical sins. It's a huge leap.

Incidentally, for the others in this thread, I beleive the dedication on 2112 was "to the genus of Ayn Rand" not genius. Still a unattractive tip of the hat to her but not as bad had it been "genius". The lady was batshit crazy.

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Response to flexnor (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:25 AM

22. That's weird

never been a fan of Rush, but that's weird.

Apparently, Neil Peart was reading Anthem, and he says he realized after the album was over that a lot of it had come from the book. And that he didn't want to plagiarize, so he credited Ayn Rand (I just looked this up, I wouldn't know anything about any of this - it's from an online Rush FAQ: http://www.nimitz.net/rush/faq2ans.html#62).

Now Anthem is the shittiest of the shitty. I took a speed reading course because I read slow as molasses, and Anthem was the book they gave us at the end of the day. Sure I could read it in like 25 minutes and understand it. Why? Because it was about one single, solitary, not at all complicated thought. And because it was so shitty. Btw? I still read slow as molasses, but apparently, I can skim/scan Ayn Rand's crap like nobody's business. True story.

I don't know if it's reason to dislike Rush, though. It seems like they are pretty damn philanthropic, which, I would think means they're not Ayn Randists, no?

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Response to flexnor (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:43 AM

32. Actually, it was dedicated to "the genus of Ayn Rand" (sic)

I call it a youthful indiscretion. We all have them.

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Response to flexnor (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:01 PM

46. Small point, but Trees was not on 2112

It came from "Hemispheres."

Neil has really changed his tone since then, probably spurred by the personal tragedies he has suffered.

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Response to Nostradammit (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:00 PM

57. that's correct, i was not clear about that

 

i was just picking 2 sets of lyrics that i thought had the strongest ayn rand flavor to them

and when i wrote genius of ayn rand, i was (wrongly) correcting what i thought was a typo in wikipedia (should have had more faith in wiki)

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:09 AM

19. Who teaches a 2nd grader Ayn Rand? Really

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:59 AM

40. no shit. 2nd grader?

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:03 PM

47. They might want to look into penmanship and sentence construction.

Josie is in first grade and I would never let her turn that in.

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Response to underpants (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:05 PM

48. I suspect if Josie was reading Ayn Rand...

the teachers would have a visit from Josie's dad.

Wow, I remember when your daughter was born - I can't believe she's in first grade now!

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:13 PM

50. Momma has advised me that I can't comment on her "social studies" curriculim yet

Columbus?
the Pilgrims?
The pledge?

Sorry but I read Howard Zinn and have educated myself.....but this is how they get it started. Drill it in until doubting it seems strange.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:23 AM

21. Bully is far too generous.

Those are the words of a wannabe tyrant.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:47 AM

26. Ayn Rand provided a religion of validation and absolution to Manhatton, NY

 

and that's why it took off the way it did - it helped people feel good and right for feeling the way they already did

and it's why most ayn rand adhearents today are often described by one word - 'asshole'

"quit feeling guilty about being superior to everyone else - quit letting the feeling of responsibilty hold you back!"

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:49 AM

27. Agree with the thought; not buying the notion that a 7 year old wrote it. n/t

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:19 PM

54. me too

Seems a little cooked.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:07 AM

34. Just curious, but what is the context of this quote?

Seeing as how I don't read garbage like this I have no clue what it is since it's totally out of context. Said by the villain or the hero?

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Response to Sirveri (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:31 AM

35. it's clearly an Ayn Rand hero.

Her villains are all weak willed, altruistic humanitarians.

Her view is that to care for others negates your own self and thereby destroys your own worth as a human being.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:33 AM

37. ...and a child shall lead them.

LOL!

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:41 PM

41. Kids do say some of the "darndest things" :) nt

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:54 PM

42. K&R nt

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:07 PM

43. 2nd graders get it - Gopers don't! Need I say more?

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:00 PM

45. kids are smarter than many grown-ups!

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:18 PM

53. I am deeply suspicious of this.

What teacher, even a Randhead teacher, gives second graders Atlas Shrug quotes to comment on? And having graded hundreds of elementary school paragraphs in my time, I gotta say that this "kid"'s response seems a little too well crafted. If a child wrote the letters, I suspect that she or he was coached by a parent--like that kid whose mom got him to confront Bachmann over her nonsensical opposition to gay parenting.

I loath Ayn Rand, but I dislike people who use their kids to make a political point more.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:38 PM

76. If it is genuine

 

It was almost certainly devised by a teacher who is not a fan of Rand. The quote is rather off-putting and goes against what children are taught in school (obey the rules, respect your parents/teacher/each other etc.). If it's real, this probably was exactly the response the teacher was trying to elicit.

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Response to RZM (Reply #76)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:04 PM

96. To be fair, Rand was openly and frankly critical of ideas like cooperation and good manners.

It's hard to conceive a more openly amoral philosophy--indeed, Randism is a perfectly amoral philosophy and makes no apologies. What I don't get is how it suckers in so many self described Christians. It is directly anti-Christian, anti-Gold Rule.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #96)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 12:28 AM

97. Agreed

 

But it's right wing and individualist. So that trumps everything else. Russian Jewish atheism be damned, they say (if they even know that about her).

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Response to Bucky (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:56 PM

84. I am as well.

 

Even if it is real (doubtful), I've never bought the "Oh, children are just so wise!" line of thinking.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:07 PM

55. Rand's quotation sums up the American empire in a nutshell

 

"Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia."

"In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security."

"To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction."

"We should dispense with the aspiration to "be liked" or to be regarded as the repository of a high-minded international altruism. We should stop putting ourselves in the position of being our brothers' keeper and refrain from offering moral and ideological advice."

"We should cease to talk about vague and—for the Far East—unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization."

"The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."



—George F. Kennan, Policy Planning Study 23 (PPS/23), Foreign Relations of the United States (FRUS), 1948


http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Memo_PPS23_by_George_Kennan

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:14 PM

58. Smart kid

This kid has a good head on his or her shoulder. It a sad day when a 2nd grader has a better grasp of reality than the whole Republican party!!!!

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:34 PM

59. I am shocked that schools are teaching about an atheist like Ayn Rand.

I did read Atlas Shrugged when I was a college freshman 45 years ago. I was already a liberal and was appalled about her cult of selfishness.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:15 PM

60. No, the bully would be the State.

 

Actually, the State is worse than a bully. A bully merely steals your lunch money. The State steals your lunch money, and continues to whittle down your hard-earned paycheck.

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Response to ThinkAndActForMyself (Reply #60)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:45 PM

80. Anyone who parrots Teabagger talking points

 

isn't someone who can claim to 'Think for himself'.

Enjoy your stay.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:22 PM

65. The quote reminds me of a t-shirt Homer Simpson wore circa 2003

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:43 PM

93. Even a Second Grader Knows the Definition of a Bully

That's what I take from this, not that an actual second grader wrote this. Spot on though.... the Me, Myself and I sociopath, claiming greed is a virtue of some sort.

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Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:50 PM

94. Mind providing sourcing?

I love this but can't find it anywhere else, and before I post it to FB (where my conservative and Rand-loving friends will tear it to shreds) I'd like to know more about where this came from. I always try to know about the sources before I post things, to head it off at the pass, if you know what I mean...

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Response to moriah (Reply #94)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:55 PM

95. post it for what it is... political commentary

that even a 2nd grader knows Ayn Rand's perception is that of a bully.

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