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Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:06 PM

 

I know prostitutes

One I met at a strip club and we're good friends. A couple of others I met through her, another I met the old fashioned way.

All of them are in it because they like sex. The money is a side benefit. My friend, she is an office worker by day, a stripper and escort by nights and weekends. She has a bachelors degree and lives a happy, normal life. Her clients are screened, and tend to be middle aged professionals in unhappy marriages.

The other two -her friends- are of similar mind. One has a boyfriend who is ok with what she does. She is in school, working on a masters degree. She told me the money is good and that she enjoys her work. The other is not in college, does not have any plans to go back to school, and is happy with her life as well. She works in a department store and strips and escorts on the side, again because the money is good.

All of them say they wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy it. They like the sex, sure, but they also like meeting new people, they like the idea that they're fulfilling someone's fantasy, they like the money. They see themselves as professionals, doing a job. They're comfortable with their sexuality and don't care about the prudish views of society at large.

They also acknowledge that there is a dark side to their profession. This dark side, we all agree, comes from the illegality of it: sex slaves, trafficking human beings, child victims, brutal abuses. These victims are not protected by the law. They can't go to the cops because then THEY will be arrested. They live in a society that shames them.

Maybe others here have similar experience with escorts as me, maybe not. I don't know, but this is my anecdote. I haven't ever met a sex worker who was forced into it. I think there are two groups. And I think we all agree that the group of women who are forced against their will into prostitution are victims of rape, plain and simple. I do not deny their existence, nor do I pretend that they are anything but victims here. They are victims of their pumps, but they are also victims of their government, and victims of a puritanical society.

Long story short: it needs to be legalized and legitimized.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:09 PM

1. This will end well...

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:11 PM

2. I want the "I Know Prostitutes" T-shirt

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:12 PM

3. ok but... it's all you get

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:59 PM

133. DUzy nominee! nt

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:16 PM

10. DUzy

about once a day I read something here that really makes me laugh out loud, not lol. this is one.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:16 PM

12. The back should say

"All 3 of them!"

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Response to Tien1985 (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:21 PM

18. a actually want jberryhill's laughing cow avatar

on it somewhere.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:36 PM

26. You're welcome...

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #26)

Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:55 AM

177. OMG it hurts

Damn the Internet is like magic!

The guys at the NSA are gonna love this!

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:23 AM

123. second DUzy rec

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:33 AM

161. Opps

Last edited Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:10 PM - Edit history (1)

edit, doubled up

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:09 PM

171. Meanwhile, your son's t-shirt says:

My Dad went to the Bunny Ranch and all I got was this lousy T-shirt

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:17 PM

14. this is gonna be good

nt

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:17 PM

15. I have a .gif for that!!

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:06 AM

139. Yes....

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:49 AM

162. This thread is proving to be a new classic...

we haven't had one in a while.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:13 PM

4. ...

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:13 PM

5. "All of them are in it because they like sex. The money is a side benefit."

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Response to undeterred (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:14 PM

6. I know, right?

Hahahahahahahaha!!!

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:57 PM

67. it's hardly amusing

it is downright sickening

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Response to undeterred (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:43 PM

56. I hate to be the one to quote William Burroughs but...

 

I'll paraphrase - they ARE SO in it for the money

But the money can be very very good

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Response to undeterred (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:55 PM

103. He believed everything they told him. Cause they're working their way through college.

They also think he's the best they ever had. No kidding. They said so.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #103)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:09 PM

134. And the biggest?

"I'm the Love Master baby... yeah... I'm as hard as Final Jeopardy baby... I can hold two cups of coffee and a dozen doughnuts right there baby..."

I don't even know why I put that in the post... It's funny as hell though.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #134)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 05:59 AM

136. Final Jeopardy!

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Response to undeterred (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:05 AM

117. And what's really funny is he believes that

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:14 PM

7. "they also like meeting new people"

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Response to undeterred (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:33 PM

54. Their greatest occupational hazard is a stiff neck, I guess

from all of that pleasant conversation they engage in, looking over their shoulder.

Seriously, this may be the most preposterous premise for a thread I have ever seen.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:23 PM

78. Because women who want to meet new men and have sex with them

have so few options.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:15 PM

9. I know drug addicts

They prostitute themselves because they love drugs. The sex is just a side benefit.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:58 PM

69. and it's likely great fufilling sex...you know, the ones that are theapeutic

wow

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:16 PM

11. Somehow I doubt the veracity of this. nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:09 PM

105. Indubitably.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:16 PM

13. Youre not worth a hidden post.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:59 PM

70. he likes paying to fuck women and feels the need to justify it

how's that?

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:18 PM

16. Just yesterday, you claimed that

there wasn't a man who hadn't paid for sex. When it was pointed out by me and several other men that we had never paid for sex, you did not reply. You said that any man who said he hadn't paid for sex was a liar. I'm not a liar. I have never paid for sex.

Here's what you wrote, with a link to your post:

Seriously, grow the fuck up people. This is so stupid. Legalize prostitution and stop with this idiocy. I don't know a single man who hasn't paid for sex at one time or another. Anybody who says otherwise is lying, kind of like how some people are still so childish as to claim they "never masturbate" or "don't watch porn".


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2946469

Your posts seem all over the place on this issue. Since I haven't read enough of your posts to form any idea of who you are, I'll leave it at that.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:22 PM

20. well to be fair, he said he "didn't know" a single man who hadn't

that is possible.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:27 PM

23. Only in a very limited circle of acquaintances, I'd guess.

Last edited Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:25 PM - Edit history (1)

I have a large circle of acquaintances, and only know of a few who have paid for sex.

When I was stationed in Turkey, while in the USAF, there was a perfectly legal brothel not far from the base. I was stationed there for 15 months. Some guys went to the brothel. Most did not. I did not.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:32 PM

24. very limited circle of acquaintances

also very possible

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:10 AM

140. I know a lot of men

I have no idea whether they have or have not paid for sex. They don't discuss it.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:05 PM

88. I don't know what you're getting at

 

Yeah, yesterday's post is kind of what prompted today's post, in addition to the other numerous threads on the subject. How, exactly, am I "all over the place" on this? Everybody I know has paid for sex at one time in their life. Some of the people I know happen to be escorts. I have related their views on their life choices here.

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Response to Uzair (Reply #88)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:06 PM

90. Yah, well, you never came back to today's post.

You might want to consider doing that.

I don't care if everyone you know has paid for sex. You did go on to say that anyone who says they didn't is a liar. You don't seem to know the same people the rest of us here know. Think about that.

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Response to Uzair (Reply #88)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:38 PM

113. You need to hang out with better people

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #113)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:20 AM

160. Judgmental much?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:48 PM

102. Thanks for

The clarity on the OP's perspective.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:43 PM

115. I have an idea who that is.

they registered the day after Skinner replied to my inquiry here http://www.democraticunderground.com/12591326

which was also two days after the last post by the person in question and the same time period they changed their sig line to this:

It's been fun, folks. But when the umpire openly declares support for one team on the field - and also decides to publicly play fast, loose, & coy with the batting score as a manifestation of that support - it's time to move on. I wish nothing but the best for you all, friend & foe alike. Take care, stay cool, and drink one for me every once in a while. You folks are the best.


same posting style, same favorite issues - but no sig line! and I have made several suggestions to no avail

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Response to Kali (Reply #115)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:08 AM

118. No, it's not

They are very different. All they have in common is a distaste for guns.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:18 PM

17. Cool story, bro.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:22 PM

19. "They are victims of their pumps"

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Response to undeterred (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:23 PM

21. they should wear more sensible shoes

nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:24 PM

22. Shoes for meeting new people.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:33 PM

25. i know, right

nt

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Response to undeterred (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:48 PM

32. Truly trod upon, eh? nt

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Response to undeterred (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:16 PM

61. Pumpin' ain't easy.

Sometimes it sucks.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:06 PM

72. F***-me pumps?

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Response to undeterred (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:14 PM

76. You know it's hard out here for a pump. nt

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #76)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:05 PM

89. I drive a Cadillac, wear a perm cause Iím a G

Cuz I'm a motherfuckin P-U-M-P

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Response to undeterred (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:30 PM

79. All the pumps I know

are real heels.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:11 AM

141. Pumps

are a real danger to women, don'tchaknow.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:37 PM

27. I doubt you do, but I actually dated one in college.

Your point is partially valid in that it's true that a large portion of prostitutes are there willingly and are not being abused. My ex worked as a high end travelling escort in the SF Bay Area and fully paid her way through UC Berkeley seeing only 2-3 clients a month. She had men fly her all over the world, once spent weeks in the Medditeranean with a client, and she charged for every minute of it. It was her choice, and one that she rabidly defended to the prudes who tried to attack her for it.

But if you think it's not about the money, you are gravely uninformed. I dated her. I met quite a few of the other escorts she worked with during that time. I couldn't count the number of conversations we had about the economics and safety of what they were doing.

Not ONE of them would have been doing what they did if they weren't being paid to do it. Even for high end escorts, the decision to enter that field is primarily economic. They had no problems or complaints about what they did, but they were 100% in it for the money.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:24 PM

51. ON the assumption that everyone needs to earn money....

...what wrong with doing something you enjoy?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:31 PM

53. I have no problem with prostitution

Clearly, I wouldn't have dated her if I did have a problem with it. I don't see any problem with allowing people who wish to voluntarily engage in sex for money to do so. I do advocate for regulation (license them as you would any other commercial enterprise), but I think that anyone who wants to do this for a living should e able to. If someone actually enjoys it, then more power to them.

My comment was directed at the suggestion in the OP that money wasn't a driving factor behind people becoming prostitutes. That assertion is a complete fiction...they are ALL in it for the money. Yes, there are many who actually do enjoy it. Yes, there are many who see themselves as a sort of "therapy" and enjoy the process of making other people feel better. But every one of them does it primarily for the money. There is NOTHING wrong with that, but to claim otherwise is silly.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #53)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:14 AM

142. I agree with you

anyone who buys the line that money has nothing to do with it has bought a whole lot of BS.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #51)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:12 AM

119. If you think those women are having fulfilling sex with Johns

well, lets just say it's highly unlikely.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #119)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:15 AM

143. And of course there's this

the obvious.

Not even fulfilling sex. Good sex. No way is the majority of sex with a john decent. I'm sure there are exceptions. But no matter what the OP claims the prostitutes tell him, NO WAY!

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Response to Xithras (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:07 PM

92. That's your anecdote, this is mine.

 

Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to imply that the money wasn't the primary motivation. But they're not exactly prudish about sex either. They like sex, they like getting paid for sex. If they didn't like sex, they wouldn't do what they do, no matter how much money was involved.

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Response to Uzair (Reply #92)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:13 AM

120. And you believe you gave her the best orgasm of her life too

They're pros. They are paid to convince you. Don't you watch Game of Thrones?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #120)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:22 PM

135. Actually . . .

Prostitutes have blogs now. It's easy to check on what he says against the accounts that they give. And no, I don't think they would be able to lie every day in their blogs.

His suggesting that they don't do it for money was just boneheaded, but he acknowledged he made a mistake in saying that.

From what I've seen, there are two kinds of people in sex work. That is those who have no moral objection or queasiness about casual sex to begin with, and even enjoy sex so much that getting paid for it was the next logical step. Think about it. If casual sex doesn't bother a person in any way, why wouldn't the do it for money? It's a no brainer.

The second kind are addicts. They were addicts before they got into the sex trade, or were well on their way, and they needed prostitution to support their habit. They get into it regardless of their moral objections, regardless of their inhibitions. These people should definitely not be in the sex trade.

What they both have in common is, they don't work for free. Oh, they might have friends they have sex with, but regarding guys meet in the same night and have sex with regardless of the chemistry? No. Never. And they keep friends (and family) and clients in separate emotional categories.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #135)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:17 AM

144. You forgot the third kind

one of the most prevalent kind, worldwide: Those who are trafficked into the business.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #144)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:20 PM

175. My post was about voluntary ones.

But I should have made that clear. Thank you. Of course it's different for slaves.

However, I'll also say they're not a big part of the sex industry. Tragically, it does happen, but it's far from the usual sex worker.



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Response to Uzair (Reply #92)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:10 PM

164. it's precisely because there is so much money invovled

that 99.99% of people choose to be prostitutes. are you saying they would do it for free because they enjoy it sooo much? that's your fantasy, and probably that of a many men.

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Response to Uzair (Reply #92)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:13 PM

168. "If they didn't like sex, they wouldn't do what they do,

no matter how much money was involved."


You're either very naive or trolling for laughs.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:38 PM

28. .....!


good one! now what is your main act?

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Response to Whisp (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:39 AM

154. The Main Act!!!

Now, introducing the main act...

Buffy the bear in a tutu, dancing on top of a ball, while he holds a ring of fire and a whip.

Jump, Buffy! Jump!



Quick, someone cue the clowns...

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:39 PM

29. Cool story, goes well with your fairy tale of not knowing

a single man who hasn't paid for sex.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:49 PM

33. i think that is quite possibe in this particular case

nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:53 PM

36. I'm not believing any of it. nt

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:39 PM

30. Uh oh!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:35 PM

80. Looks kind of like the tranja kid in an episode of Star Trek

Trekkies should remember.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:47 PM

31. Truthfully, I know a few prostitutes, too.

Most of them are funny, most are under-educated, none of them hate sex, a lot of them both like and dislike men.....like in specific, dislike in general. I met a number of them through the legal profession, which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. For a while, I lived next door to a prostitute. The reasons that they are prostitutes are as numerous and varied as the people that do the job, and it is a job.

Do I think it should be legalized? Yes, actually, I do.

Legalization would ensure health checks and screenings, allow women to get out from under the thumb of pimps and users, and make the profession safer. It would also ensure that under-age children would have stronger protections, and ensure that the women themselves would help with enforcement. It would also make it harder for police to threaten the women with various repercussions, like removing their children or charging their husband or significant other with living off the avails of prostitution if they didn't comply with whatever the cop wanted at the moment.

It has nothing to do with rose-coloured glasses. Unlike the OP, I've seen the harder, grittier side of the profession, had women crying in my office over whatever shit was coming down the pike at the moment. I've talked to children forced to perform sex acts. I've talked to women with HIV/AIDS because of the profession.

There are ways to fix this, but it means leaving judgement at the door and looking for solutions, and as long as the "My religion says you can't do that" attitude is prevalent, it won't be fixed.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:51 PM

34. nice post

I have only known one. A woman who has been a friend since high school and was a high end escort for a while. other than that, just the teevee.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:05 AM

130. Legalization also means accepting prostitution in your neighborhood.

Because the political will to allow that does not generally exist (prostitution is a NIMBY enterprise), most politicians are happy leaving it illegal.

I take no stand on the legalization issue here, though I have argued in the past for legalization and regulation, but happyslug explains fairly clearly why criminalization is our preferred method of "regulating" the profession in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2948817.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #130)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:06 AM

146. That's a very good point made at the link. Thanks for it.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #146)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:34 AM

150. My pleasure. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to PDJane (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:29 PM

176. Great post.


You've given, I think, an accurate, balanced picture.

I know some people in the sex industry. But sadly, I also know a few who were sexually assaulted by their clients. It seems the business gets more dangerous when the economy turns bad.

And they would have been prevented, or at least preventable if prostitution were legal.



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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:52 PM

35. I currently work with one in my office....

we all know and you hear whispers when she takes long lunches in super short skirts, but she's really a nice person and doesn't flaunt herself around the office at all. She doesn't seem overly sexual but she does have a disdain for men in general. I don't know...she's just a regular person who has this thing she seems to enjoy doing for the attention and the extra cash, and it allows her to take her kids on really nice vacations and stuff. It's really just not a big deal.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:54 PM

37. oh

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:00 PM

38. Give my regards to Don Quixote will you?

I agree that it should be legalized.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:09 PM

39. As a worldly 18th Century scholar and diplomat who also has met a few prostitutes, I must say

 

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Response to Nimajneb Nilknarf (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:15 PM

42. Scholar of the 18th century, or scholar from the 18th Century?

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:18 PM

44. Please refer to my Journal. I introduced myself a couple of weeks ago.

 

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Response to Nimajneb Nilknarf (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:21 PM

47. Welcome and make yourself at home.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:22 PM

48. Thank you, sir!

 

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Response to Nimajneb Nilknarf (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:22 PM

50. Well, it's ma'am, but you're welcome!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:29 PM

63. Oops, I assumed your moniker was a reference to adult film star Ron Jeremy.

 

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Response to Nimajneb Nilknarf (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:57 PM

68. Oh, my!

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Response to Nimajneb Nilknarf (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:06 PM

91. you are posting from the 18th century?

nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #91)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:10 PM

167. He's Benjamin Franklin, of course he is. nt

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:11 PM

40. Can you explain how legalizing prostitution means no more sex slaves, trafficking or child abuse?

Furthermore, can you also explain how a child prostitute would be arrested?

I don't recall Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, or Michelle Knight being arrested either for being held as 'sex slaves". Did I miss something?


I'm not even going to try to get into the rest of your OP... just simply not worth it.



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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:13 PM

41. Is that aimed at me, or at Uzair?

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Response to PDJane (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:11 PM

74. Oops!! Uzair...

My bad. I should never try to post when I'm in a hurry.



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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:58 PM

84. Can you explain how the reverse is true?

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #84)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:05 PM

87. The question is for Uzair, based upon statements in his OP.

Beyond that I am utterly uninterested in getting into a fight about prostitution today.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #87)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:25 PM

95. And my question is for you based on your response

I neither asked for a fight or care to have one. Your intentions may be different.

Your question appears to assume the dichotomy that prostitution should be either all illegal or all legal, when there are many other choices available.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #95)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:21 PM

98. Well it doesn't assume anything. Its simply a question for Uzair based on his statement.

Asking how legalizing prostitution will stop the other stuff that's all.

FWIW, I don't believe it should be illegal. The laws should be changed asap especially in light of for-profit prisons. Stuffing a for-profit prison with non-violent "offenders" like prostitutes would be their dream wouldn't it?

Most prostitutes need other help than prison.

I just don't believe it does any good trying to portray legalization as some kind of "fix" for all sex crimes.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #98)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:45 PM

100. I think some sort of legalization scheme has to be part of reform

Underage prostitution, trafficking, and human slavery can and should be a part of enforcement, but I just don't see how you get there if all prostitution is forced underground. It only makes it harder to differentiate between what is consensual and what isn't.

I don't think the "fix" is to make it all legal and then hope it gets better. I think the fix is going to involve ample regulation of what is to be legalized and ample enforcement of what should remain illegal. As far as helping prostitutes go, I'm not sure even most want that. For the most part they seem to want to be left alone. I think their input should be valued for whatever reform measures are implemented.

Honestly I don't think meaningful reform stands much of a chance in the US. There are too many who would want it to fail for what amounts to puritanical reasoning.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:23 PM

110. I'm not uzair, but if I may he NEVER said any of that!

What he said was:


They also acknowledge that there is a dark side to their profession. This dark side, we all agree, comes from the illegality of it: sex slaves, trafficking human beings, child victims, brutal abuses. These victims are not protected by the law. They can't go to the cops because then THEY will be arrested. They live in a society that shames them.


uzair never said legalization would eliminate any of these.

That being said, I could argue that it would greatly reduce some of it. Under the current laws, if a prostitute is abused she is reticent to go to the police for fear that she would be arrested. If we legalized and regulated prostitution, then that would be greatly reduced.

In a way, it is legalized if a person registers as a "sex therapist". Perhaps we should simply expand and simplify these requirements.

Some people still have fantasies about owning a "sex slave", and some will still have fantasies about children. However, if we can separate these perverts from people who do not fall into these categories, then we have the resources to focus on those particular issues.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:35 PM

174. Can you explain how banning drugs has led to an end of drug abuse and trafficking? n/t

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:17 PM

43. Hello ~ Uzair

You have a lot to learn about this topic.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:19 PM

45. K&R

Why isn't this at the top of the Greatest Page?

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:19 PM

46. Senator, I served with prostitutes. I knew prostitutes. Prostitutes were friends of mine.

Senator, you're no prostitute!

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:16 AM

121. DUzy!

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #46)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:13 AM

179. I thought they all were...and the Hill was just one big brothel...! nt

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:22 PM

49. When the prostitutes you know told you all this,

were they on the clock?

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:28 PM

52. did you misspell clock

sorry couldn't resist

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:40 PM

55. Interesting narrative

sibling.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:43 PM

57. You have failed the DU purity test.

You posted poorly. I'm sorry.


DU Rule 203.89.34-45 Porn & Prostitution: The idea or suggestion that any woman who participates in porn or prostitution does so of their own free will is prohibited. (The aforementioned shall not apply to porn or prostitution involving homosexual men.)

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Response to MindPilot (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:07 PM

104. it can be so Mao like here

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:44 PM

58. Legalize and regulate because they ARE in it for the money

 

And all jobs deserve regulation, protection and representation

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:52 PM

59. Funny, I've never met a prostitute who wasn't forced into it by economic circumstances,

or addiction. Now I know there are some who do go into the profession voluntarily, I've just never met one.

The ones I've met were doing it out of necessity. They were feeding an addiction (their own or their partner's) or looking for some cash to pay the bills because they couldn't make enough to stay housed and clothe their kids without it. Not a one of them said they were doing it because they liked sex. It was just something they could do to make money. None of the addicts still turned tricks after becoming sober.

But hey, I grew up in a very low income community. Things are different there.

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:16 PM

77. and on the high end they're not 'forced,' but it's one of the few ways to make big money that's

 

relatively easy to get into, with low start-up costs.

again, the motivation is economic.

nobody goes into prostitution because they like sex. if you like sex, it's easy enough to find partners.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #77)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:47 PM

82. not cause they like sex...but because they like the attention.

I mentioned above that I currently work with an "escort" at my normal insurance office job....she doesn't really need the money, nor does she really have any other vices or addictions she is needing money for, but you can tell she is starved for attention and has the attitude that "if someone will pay you a few hundred bucks to have sex with you, it's the ultimate compliment".

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #82)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:51 PM

83. so your friend is attractive enough that people will pay her a couple of hundred for sex but she's

 

starved for attention?

something wrong with this story.

she doesn't *need* the money is not synonymous with she doesn't *want* the money.

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:33 PM

106. I know lots of people who are "forced" into commercial fishing by economic circumstance.

I'm not sure that rational economic behavior is necessarily a good metric. What would the prostitutes you've met have done for a living without a market for sex?

I have no doubt that transacting in an underground economy tends to promote the use of the products sold there.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:50 PM

107. Really? The fishermen I know all did it because it was family/local tradition or

just because it paid better than land based jobs that they also could have taken, like day labor and low skill construction trades.
When I say 'forced' I'm talking about couldn't get another job because of lack of education, training, job experience,child care, or in the case of addicts, lack of ability to focus on anything but their habits.

To repeat: I'm talking actually could not get a legit job, not just opting for the higher paying more dangerous job.



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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #107)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:06 PM

108. "just because it paid better than (the) jobs that they also could have taken"

To my mind, you haven't clearly established a difference.

I think that in general, people make choices for a variety of smart and dumb reasons.

Undoubtedly, drug addicts have fewer job options, and in those careers, cling to the lowest rungs. Nevertheless, their choices in one realm constrain the universe of choices in other realms.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #108)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:57 AM

116. Yeah, their choices like addiction or having kids with men who died.

I'll repeat: the difference is these were people who could not get legit employment, not ones who chose to take a higher risk job for better pay.




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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #59)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 05:43 AM

129. Funny , I have never met a person with a job wasn't forced into it by economic circumstances.

what a silly argument, of course they do it for the money.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #129)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:20 AM

131. Not according to some on this thread. n/t

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:11 PM

60. the vast majority of people who merely "like sex" don't become prostitutes.

even people who crave sex usually don't become prostitutes. the vast majority of people capable of becoming prostitutes are likely also capable of getting plenty of sex without charging for it.

the key difference is the money, so it's rather disingenuous to dismiss the money as a mere "side benefit".


i had a psychiatrist a long time ago for a while after a severe car accident (for ptsd/depression while i was recovering physically). at some point, chit-chatting at the end of a session, he mentioned that a lot of his other patients were prostitutes. in fact he said "thank heaven for hookers" because he loved having them as patients, they were entertaining; their troubles were challenging; and they were good for business, they always were able to pay their bills.

granted his perspective is a bit skewed as he only sees the self-selecting prostitutes that choose therapy, but he said, "most prostitutes have deep-seated problems well before getting into the business, but if they didn't before, they soon develop them." i rather suspect that much of the latter arises from its criminalization and the fact that this enables others to take advantage of them.

i tend to agree that decriminalization and regulation would be at the base of a much better public policy in this area, i don't think we can be dismissive of the psychological aspects, which are for the most part problematic. becoming a prostitute is usually not simply a matter of a calm, rational, unpressured, objective career decision.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:26 PM

62. Do you also know where they go?

A little inside joke for you "A Dance with Dragons" readers.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:32 PM

64. Choose your response carefully

If asked that question and someone is pointing a crossbow at you.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:37 PM

65. Escorts are the closest thing to legalized work

as you can get in an illegal environment. It's a completely different world from street work. I knew a couple of workers from the Pahrump brothels who had something of the same attitude as you describe, but it's not the norm for outdoor workers. The element of safety matters a lot to a person's mindset.

I've never known any that did it for the sex. It's never sex while you're at work. It's work. You're there to provide a service; there can be an element of fun to the new experiences, but it's not sex the way sex is when you're off duty. Even I didn't think like that, and I have about as healthy a sex drive as a person can get. I can count the number of times I got off on the job on one hand and have fingers left over. If that's what your friends are doing, they're a rarity, not the norm.

On the whole I agree with you, but it's not a great idea to think that the pleasure your friends take in their job is a universal experience. Your average worker sees their job the same way your average waitress does: it's a living.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:53 PM

66. Let us know how their lives turned out in about 20-30 years. I guess none of your

friends are concerned with their personal safety or long-term health.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:02 PM

71. The government needs to stay the fuck out of people's bedrooms. - :-/ K&R n/t

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #71)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:44 PM

81. Not if those people are having sex with kids in their bedrooms

By and large I agree with you. Anything between consenting adults should not be subject to government, even those things I might find personally baffling or distasteful. But a bedroom is not a magic protection for doing things to those who don't want to participate, free of coercion.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:10 PM

73. You will have noticed that several here have responded to you as if their position is "consensus".


You will find that interesting, I'm sure.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:12 PM

75. "All of them are in it because they like sex" = garbage.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #75)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:29 AM

127. "None of them are in it because they like sex" = garbage

That's the talking point I've heard floating around lately. The reality is that millions of people world wide are ensnared in human trafficking and exploitation, but they are still a fairly small minority of sex workers world wide. Redirecting focus away from the real human trafficking situations by diverting it into a crusade against other non coerced sex workers is downright criminal in my eyes.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #127)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 05:20 AM

128. the reality is you don't need to prostitute yourself to get sex. just go into a bar. you prostitute

 

yourself to get money. whether coerced or by choice, prostitution is about money.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #128)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:11 AM

147. ...and then go to your "respectable job" in the morning?

If you enjoy sex, and people are willing to pay you for it, what's wrong with charging?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #147)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:58 PM

169. i said, prostitution is about *money*. i didn't express an opinion about that *fact*.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #169)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:32 PM

172. That's like saying my interest in Planning is about "money"

Absent being independently wealthy or a stay at home spouse, people have to get a job. The question then becomes, what job do you take, and on what basis do you make the choice? Enjoyment of the work is frequently a basis on which to choose.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:00 PM

85. I see that you've had lots of replies to your OP, but that

you have not returned to the thread to respond to those replies. Is it your intention to do so, or are you just dropping this in the forum and moving on to other things. The old turd in the punchbowl trick? That's really not considered good form on DU, just in case you weren't aware of that.

Please reply to criticisms of your original post. There are many of them.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #85)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:09 PM

93. I don't spend my time here 24/7

 

And there aren't any valid criticisms of this OP that warrant a response.

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Response to Uzair (Reply #93)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:10 PM

94. I see. Well, OK, then...

I'll keep that in mind from now on. Seeya.

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Response to Uzair (Reply #93)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:36 PM

96. Weak answer.

But it's okay.... you don't have to respond if you got nothin'.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #96)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:20 PM

97. What do you want me to respond to?

 

Please, enlighten me on which reply in this thread I ought to respond to.

Should I respond to the numerous "cool story bro" type posts? What, exactly, would that accomplish? Should I respond to the people who say they don't know any escorts who weren't forced into it? I explicitly put into my OP that I don't deny their existence. (And why are people so quick to believe THEM? Why not call bullshit on their posts?) Should I reply to the few judgmental prudes who can't possibly fathom the idea that it's possible for consenting adults to exchange money for sex, or who think it's immoral or against Jesus or some shit?

If DUers want to be lame, I'm not going to engage with them. Sorry. Frankly, I've done too much just by replying to you. This will be the end of it, though. Please refer everybody who can't have an adult discussion to this post.

PS on Edit: Maybe some of you might want to respond to the numerous others in here who AGREE that it should be legalized and/or ALSO know escorts themselves. I'm not the only one, you know. Maybe some of you need to get out more, I don't know.

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Response to Uzair (Reply #97)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:41 PM

99. You are lousy at argumentation.

It's okay, not everyone can be good at presenting their arguments convincingly.

At the same time, how about taking the back seat and listening to what other people have to say? It could save you from looking like a numbskull in the future.

I gave you my scenario below...

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Response to Uzair (Reply #97)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:14 AM

148. Maybe your characterization of your prostitute friends' motives was so absurd

that it made posters doubt you actually knew them. The others who claim to know prostitutes are not making the same kind of absurd claims. Maybe it doesn't have anything to do with judgmental prudery. Maybe it's just your writing style.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #85)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:11 PM

165. complete

kudos to you for challenging this

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:03 PM

86. I have also known prostitutes who were junkies.

Or more accurately stated, they were junkies who became prostitutes because they needed money to get their fix. Pretty fucking sad.

I also happened to live on a notorious "prostitution street". I got propositioned as though I was a hooker once when I was wearing sloppy jeans and a sweatshirt and walking my dog! Edit to add: I got propositoned as though I was a hooker nearly every fucking day no matter what I was wearing, just walking to and from places in my neighborhood, minding my own business!

Another thing to consider: Human trafficking. Akin to sex slavery. You would never know, if you're just the buyer of sex. They don't tell you this, $$$dear customer$$$

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:45 PM

101. Don't believe it

If they liked sex, they'd find a steady man/boyfriend, which would be a better way to have fun sex.

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Response to treestar (Reply #101)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:13 PM

109. Or proposition attractive people who are also good dancers in clubs.

Just sayin.

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Response to treestar (Reply #101)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:52 AM

145. Ever see the guys who troll the streets where the prostitutes work? Those girls are not

in it for fun sex. It seems to me there are some here who are desperately trying to absolve themselves of guilt about some kid they exploited. (Cause, hey, the way she was dressed, there was no way he could know she was 15.)

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Response to Squinch (Reply #145)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:50 AM

157. That is a truly horrifying and sickening thought. nt

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Response to redqueen (Reply #157)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:57 AM

158. Yes it is.

But with so many here saying it's not a big deal to see a prostitute, and with such a large proportion of prostitutes being underage, it is a likely scenario.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #157)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:31 PM

173. I've known three kinds of prostitutes very well. One was my closest friend for years. Anyway...

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:27 PM

111. That is such a crock. Prostitution is not about sex, just like rape isn't. It's about money.

You don't need to sell your services or body parts to engage in sex. It's something women do because they desperately need money or because they have psych. problems.

It's degrading and lowers a person's self-esteem. They're treated like pieces of meat, if not robbed or beaten up. It's not glamorous. There's no Social Security, paid days off, sick leave, FMLA, benefits.

I, for one, am not buying what you're trying to sell.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:35 PM

112. tend to be middle aged professionals in unhappy marriages

Legalize it if we get to tell the wives...

Oh that's right legalize it crowds believe they deserve it.

Those sound like real nice people you got there.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:41 PM

114. I can see prositution legalized within 20 years in the U.S.

The war on drugs and prostitution has been an utter failure and a waste of tax payer money.


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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:22 AM

122. Now this is a funny thread

I needed a laugh.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #122)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:08 AM

125. I know therapists

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Response to olddots (Reply #125)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:09 AM

126. Perhaps you should provide referrals?

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:51 AM

124. Why tax and regulate prostitution, when nobody wants to do it with Wall Street ?

Prostitution has exploded in Miami in recent years, with an influx of Eastern-European sex workers looking to fleece big-spending American johns.
http://gawker.com/miami-prostitutes-mistake-new-jersey-mom-for-rival-hook-511154294

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:02 AM

137. This much I know

Whenever one says "people can not be like that" they are nearly always wrong. There are 350 million of us in the US, so pretty much all the imaginable bases are covered. There probably are some "happy hookers" out there, some self-impressed burglars, fraudsters with "high moral standards", and perhaps even a few seemingly well adjusted homicidal maniacs.

Denying the notion that you heard this would be roughly as silly as making public policy on the notion that you did.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:06 AM

138. Good story

You know, Amsterdam, where prostitution is legal, has one of the highest rates of human trafficking.

Legality doesn't immediately rid us of the criminality.

There are definite arguments for the legalization of prostitution. I'm willing to discuss those. But it doesn't magically rid us of the dark side of it, either.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:22 AM

149. And prostitutes know you

You don't even wanna know what they're saying about you.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:55 AM

151. This post is an excellent example of how well prostitutes ply their trade

Convincing a John that they enjoy what they do and that they are actually "friends" is standard procedure.
Keeps em coming, so to speak.

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Response to randr (Reply #151)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:00 AM

152. Seriously.

Does he not realize that??

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #152)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 11:22 AM

163. I know. It's pretty damn funny. I burst out laughing, actually. nt

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Response to randr (Reply #151)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:42 AM

155. Indeed. I once saw a young seaman put before Captain's Mast for cavorting with a prostitute.

 

Before his flogging, the ship's master asked the sailor if he had anything to offer as an excuse for his conduct.

He replied "Sir, I thought she was truly smitten with me!" The entire crew burst out in uproarious laughter and applause. The Captain was not amused.

The young man learned a valuable lesson that day.

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Response to randr (Reply #151)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:07 PM

170. "Oh no no no, she REALLY digs me."

Said by the guy who had just dropped $300 on a stripper.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:09 AM

153. ive known a couple of prostitutes

back in teh day in my old career i knew a few high end escorts. they were all in it for the money. they didnt care about the sex but liked being treated to classy dinners,vacations,sporting events etc..... all on the clients dime. they were doing it by their own choice. one of them was a single mom and used her earnings to support her kid in a pretty nice lifestyle.

but the escort world is a world away from street walkers/low end call girls. they are mostly doing it unwiliingly,either by force or economic necessity. theres a world of difference between someone charging $75-100 per "act" and a high end escort getting 300-400/hr or more



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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:46 AM

156. That is quite a story

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:18 AM

159. So there I was, interviewing a room full of courtisans in Thailand...

There were about 12 of them. Various ages (added: 25-45) and looks. At one point, the questions became re-directed at me.

"Do women in America really not make you pay for sex?' they asked with anticipation.

"No, of course not", I said, and the room erupted in laughter.

"What's so funny?" I asked.

"They so stupid!" was the reply.

Also,

There is a book about the OP called "The Happy Hooker". In civilized countries, prostitution is legal, regulated.

If one considers them victims, jailing them for how they make money only makes them a victim twice.

Most of the ones I've met were in it for the money, and yes, were very sexual creatures.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:59 PM

166. My friend knew a prostitute...

He let her into his home where she found out that he kept cash in the house and had many valuable things. She told her boyfriend who picked up a gun and kicked in my friend's back door. My friend is now dead, and the prostitute and her boyfriend are serving long jail sentences.

What does this anecdote tell us about prostitution? Not a damn thing, just like your story. There are as many stories about prostitution as there are prostitutes.

I agree with legalization because I know that prohibition doesn't work. The key is to fix the economic and social problems that drive people unwillingly into prostitution and then regulate and protect anyone who remains.

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Response to Uzair (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2013, 05:34 PM

178. So knowing four hookers makes you an expert?

You're kidding, right?

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