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Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:47 AM

“She came right down in my face,” Sturtz said. “I was taken aback.”

Michelle Obama confronts gay-rights heckler at fundraiser

By John Newland, Staff Writer, NBC News

Michelle Obama confronted a gay-rights protester who heckled her at a Democratic fundraiser in Washington on Tuesday, offering to give her the microphone and leave, before the crowd cheered for the first lady to stay.
Obama was 12 minutes into a planned 20-minute speech at a couple’s home when a woman standing at the front of the small crowd interrupted, demanding that President Barack Obama sign an executive order on gay rights.
“One of the things I don’t do well is this,” the first lady said before walking down from the lectern and approaching the protester, according to a pool reporter covering the event.
Obama told the woman that people gathered in the backyard tent could "listen to me or you can take the mic, but I'm leaving,” before telling the crowd, “You all decide. You have one choice.”

At that, the crowd began chanting for Obama to stay as one woman told the protester, “You need to leave.”
The woman was escorted out, shouting that she was a “lesbian looking for federal equality before I die.”
Obama then returned to the lectern and finished her speech, getting loud applause as she did.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/05/18769606-michelle-obama-confronts-gay-rights-heckler-at-fundraiser?lite


I really don't have any sympathy for any these god-damned hecklers, whether they be on the right or the left.

All I can wonder about is whether or not these people would be so bold if they didn't have the first Black First Family currently occupying the White House to scream at.

Kudos on Mrs. Obama for handling this disrespecting Ellen Sturtz person with class and intelligence. Ms. Sturz obviously tried to bite off more than she could chew… And then some.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:50 AM

1. Way to go Mrs. Obama!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:10 PM

62. +1000

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:31 AM

252. +2000 eom

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:59 PM

307. Indeed! I am 100% behind Michelle Obama on this.

I'm actually glad that she got a little heated....

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #307)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:24 PM

310. We all have limits regarding what we are willing to ignore.

In my opinion Michelle Obama's behavior was admirable. She was able to act rather than react.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:52 AM

2. Let me get this straight - the venue was a private home,

implying that this was a relatively intimate presentation; Ms. Sturz starts shouting to interrupt Mrs. Obama's speech, and Mrs. Obama got into her face? Sounds like code for "uppity angry black woman " to me!

My daughter reminded me of the proper response to this: "Don't start nothin', there won't be nothin'!"

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:58 AM

7. "angry black woman" would be the euphemism of choice.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:06 PM

57. Well sometimes black women have reason to be angry. This was one of those times.

The heckler was being disrespectful and I'm glad the First Lady said what she said. Now I just hope that the President was watching and picked up a few tips on how to handle the Republican members of Congress.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:48 PM

124. Agreed!

And I frankly don't see how it makes any sense at all to dump publicly on the wife of the ONE President who's done more to advance equality and progress for the LGTB community than anyone before him. Hell, even Andrea Mitchell pointed that out on MSNBC today.

I'm glad Michelle Obama got in that woman's face.

DAMN! This First Couple has been disrespected more than I can remember ANY First Couple ever, EVER having to face - while deserving it the least of them all, in my opinion.

And I've gotta say - I'm FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF IT!!!!!

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:25 PM

145. Yeah, I was thinking that only Repukes have the exclusive franchise to be disrespectful to our

First lady and the President.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:48 PM

88. According to Andrea Mitchell a few minutes ago the heckler got

close to MICHELLE and was yelling. Michelle didn't put up with it.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #88)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:25 PM

206. Where was the secret service while this was happening?

 

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #206)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:30 PM

209. Maybe taking care of the male heckler who interrupted Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

The Secret Service pointed at him and he shut up. I don't know if they went to his location or not. That's when Michelle got up to talk about poor kids and gun laws. And the female heckler started in on Michelle right in front.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #209)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:32 PM

211. I think it's a little more important keeping an eye on Mrs Obama

 

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #211)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:37 PM

216. If I were Michelle I would never raise another penny after this.

Just fuck it. After seeing the names she's been called by people on the left? Hell no. I'd find other ways to spend my time.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #88)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:09 PM

319. Some people regard being yelled at up close as abusive. I know I do.

No one in real life puts up with that unless they are yelling too.

Michelle said, 'I don't do this very well, or I don't do this.'

That is honesty, not arrogance. She did Sturtz the respect of telling her to take the mike to let her make her case to the room, but the woman refused a golden opportunity. So she wasn't there for that purpose.

As far as the 'I was stunned' routine, she clearly intended to 'stun' everyone there and 'stun' or silence Michelle. The FLOTUS handled it with grace, but some think she should have bowed her head in shame and taken a beat down.

I'm not sure in what universe it is people think this is effective. Maybe those accustomed to watching television with bad actors who use volume in a failed attempt to ratchet up emotion and interest, might find this valuable. From the 'Hey, look at me!' school of cheap thrills drama. Meh.

Heckling is not the practice of talking to anyone, but talking at a person in order to insult, embarrass, degrade or shut them up.

It's a monologue of the heckler's own opinion and no one else's, not sharing the same space with others that may very well agree. No answer will be allowed by the heckler but subservience by the heckled and total agreement.

It's not intended for dialogue, but to silence the other, and to influence those watching. It's a power play. This disruption was not about getting a voice in a hostile environment. It was pushing the limits of public discourse in order to end discourse, period.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:54 AM

3. You go girl !! nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:55 AM

4. An assassination target surprised by a sudden commotion scared this woman

Poor dear

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:14 PM

162. Too bad there's no video. Secret Service was watching. Not overreacting, but alert.

Last edited Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:46 PM - Edit history (2)

EDIT: Because of more information from links. From people that were there and more statements. The agents were paying attention but they didn't pull any stunts as we're accustomed to seeing from the RW crowd.

Real examples of suppressing free speech by the GOP/ Tea Party:

The Bush era free speech zones, all visitors vetted and no opposing voices allowed...

Rand Paul
's security's knocking down a woman and stomping her head on the curve in 2010.

Joe Miller
's security denying reporters rights that same year.

Paul Ryan having seniors daring to quetion him manhandled and arrested in 2012.

Wisconsin, Texas, Michigan, etc. and now weekly in North Carolina..
.

Really, the list goes on.

There is no improper behavior by Democrats or the Secret Service as proven by numerous incidents showing just how open this administration is to the public.

But media, especially conservative venues, will use this to smear Michelle AND gays.


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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:56 AM

5. Good for FLOTUS

The heckler should take her fight to the ACTUAL enemy and spend $500 on a more productive effort.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:57 PM

236. Amen. President Obama has already proven he will sign anything

that his heckler might want.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:57 AM

6. "I really don't have any sympathy for any these god-damned hecklers" +1!!

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:59 AM

9. I agree.

I think the first lady did just fine.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:58 AM

8. I hope MO scared the shit out of her

 

And it sounds like she did.

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Response to Floyd_Gondolli (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:37 PM

25. I am torn on this whole thing...

but your statement reads like it is good that our betters are scaring the common folk.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:44 PM

30. If it reads that way...

...it's because you're reading that into it. Nothing in it says or implies any such thing. It was a simple statement that he was glad one jerk got put in her place. There was zero mention of "betters" or "common" people.

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Response to gcomeau (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:11 PM

63. That's the trope all the Obama haters have gotten into their heads today

The "royalty" and the "common" people.

It's as embarrassing as it is stupid.

The Obama haters are really showing they ass as racist scumshits over this one. They were waiting for an opportunity to pounce on "uppity" (or "chip on her shoulder") Michelle Obama for years now.

To quote my man Ice Cube, "Nothing but a come up / But ain't that a bitch / They hate to see...." (finish that line, and you'll have a good sense of the haters' mentality).

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:53 PM

90. I don't think that this lady was a Obama hater...she

had a cause and didn't use good sense presenting her cause...

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Response to movonne (Reply #90)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:53 PM

128. I'm not talking about her

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #128)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:09 PM

181. I get what you're saying and it IS ridiculous.

I guess the new approach to gin up anger at the POTUS/FLOTUS is to paint them as economic "others", despite the fact that they both came from poverty and earned what they have...the very antithesis of the welfare stereotype the Right wants to advance, and one more thing the Right can't pin on them, driving THEM crazy.

...and here they're portrayed as some imperial king and queen, even though the President won't govern like one.



Apparently some need to figure out how to channel their hatred, anger and resentment at the Obamas while trying to fly under the radar.

Obama Derangement Syndrome abounds all over.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #181)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:18 PM

242. You nailed it n/t

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:57 PM

92. I really have no problem with what Michelle did...

but I also have no problem with the heckler- they are to be expected when you are a public figure. What I took exception to was that he said he hoped this public figure scared the heckler. I don't think she was trying to intimidate, but the person who I responded to seemed to be applauding intimidation.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #92)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:53 PM

126. I don't have any problem with the heckler either

My post is not about the heckler in the least bit.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:54 PM

246. I havent read anything scolding Obama for her response,

but then Ive had a long day at work too. Maybe I missed something. as the OP said, I cant STAND hecklers left or right. It does nothing but make you look like a fool. It sure doesnt help your cause.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:17 PM

154. Not at all

 

But then again I wouldn't consider someone that pays $500 to go to a private home for an event and then raises a ruckus at said event "common folk".

She got owned by MO. I give her credit for at least realizing that.

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Response to Floyd_Gondolli (Reply #154)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:08 PM

156. Yeah, I mis-read what you said...

I will say that the Obamas do deal with hecklers much better than their predecessors. Had it been a Bush function, someone would have gone to jail.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:16 PM

172. No, it doesn't. It just means that people paid to hear Michelle, not the heckler. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:59 AM

10. The amount of disrespect the first couple

has endured is unprecedented. I don't blame the Michelle for her response, this is getting old. Does this heckler really believe that this President is not supportive of her cause? Did she really think that heckling the First Lady would force the President to sign an Executive Order? Great strategy there, much better than waiting for the Q&A and making a reasoned argument for her cause.

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Response to eissa (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:05 PM

53. The comments that the FLOTUS has endured as a woman of color since 2008 have sickened me. It's as if

every bottom feeding scoundrel feels free to denigrate her body, her mind and everything else.

To me it's not just about her being a woman, but being a woman of color. They have had to live through all the brutality and every bit of filth tossed at them as if they are not humans.

It says a lot more about their detractors than it does them, yet they persist in exercising their sense of entitlement to spit on her heart.

The heckler had her issue but this comes off as I see often, that the poor and minorities weren't important to her. They have no money to travel to these venues. Taking advantage of what some think should be the First Lady's role as a woman is wrong.

She is a professional working for those with no voice on matters of life and death. Lives that don't seem to matter much to Libertarians who often show up to heckle the Obamas. But to those that know them, their lives are important.

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Response to eissa (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:01 PM

180. You are

so right. From what I've seen heckling gets the person no where except invited to leave. Like you said better to wait for the Q&A to state your case.

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Response to eissa (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:58 PM

237. Exactly, of course he supports the cause

Executive Orders are not the cure all to everything.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:59 AM

11. If Michelle or any politician refuses to speak at private/elite fundraisers then I shall applaud

Pulling massive rank on a heckler, not so much. But for now, our casual acceptance of our real masters continues apace.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:02 PM

15. For five hundred bucks, I'm sure that Ellen Sturz could have afforded her own microphone

Instead, she turned down the one that Michelle Obama tried to hand her.

Don't you have a parade to rain on or something?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:53 PM

38. Fair point

She's obviously the elite . . . OR . . . someone put her up to it. So who put her up to if if she didn't have the money herself?

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:03 PM

16. Protester had massive disrespect for the plight of inner-city children

Which was the subject of the talk that she interrupted.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:26 PM

106. A "talk" about the plight of inner-city children

At a, no doubt, luxurious private home for $500 bucks a plate. And no one sees the irony in this?

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:41 PM

122. Irony that $500 a plate is going to inner-city children? We should be upset about that?

Please elaborate.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #122)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:23 PM

141. Going to the DNC, as far as I can tell

First lady Michelle Obama had a rare run-in with an audience heckler Tuesday during a fund-raising event in Washington for the Democratic National Committee.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/04/first-lady-clashes-with-protester-threatens-to-leave-event/


Children did get mentioned in her speech, but so did Democratic supporters, writing checks for elections, knocking on doors, and many parts of the Democratic platform. This is a standard party political speech; it's not specifically about children, inner-city or otherwise.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #122)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:17 PM

173. We should be doing more of that. n/t

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:12 PM

138. Five hundred a plate is chickenfeed. Mitt "Trees the Right Height" Romney didn't do those gigs for

less than a grand a plate, and much more frequently the elites paid twenty five grand--and UP.

You DO understand that all that money goes to HELP the plight of those inner city kids, and that Michelle isn't running off with a sack of dough for appearing at the event...?

What's ironic is that you think it's odd that you go looking for money to support a cause from people who HAVE money.

You want she should pass the hat at the diner on skid row? Yeah, that's the ticket!

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:29 PM

146. The protester paid the money, too, presumably

And wouldn't you think it equally ironic to be protesting discrimination in federal contracting there, too? And is that more important than child proverty?

Give me a break.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #146)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:07 PM

159. Apparently the protester's activist group paid the bill and planted the protester there to do the

deed. http://www.theroot.com/blogs/grapevine/why-heckling-michelle-obama-doesnt-pay

Sturtz, who was planted at the fundraiser by gay rights group GetEqual, stated that she was "taken aback" by Obama's response, because apparently the idea that she would do anything besides hand Sturtz the microphone and get her husband on the phone is surprising. Perhaps sensing that the first lady would no doubt be labeled an "angry black woman" for responding the way most people would, black folks on Twitter tweeted their support.


GetEqual can GetStuffed, as far as I'm concerned. Why aren't they boldly going where no one has gone before, and heckling Speaker Bonehead in support of a change in the law? Why is that "too hard" for them? Because he'll say no? Why not make his life miserable until he says yes? Why not go to the guy who can put the issue on the agenda for a House vote, instead of crying for a stopgap measure that -- should a GOP president return to the White House--will be used as toilet paper and will throw the whole Equality movement ten steps back? Alienating people friendly to your cause is just hubris-laden attention seeking, and it backfires as we have seen in this instance.

Heckling people who support equality is stupid. Demanding a "stopgap measure" that could expire when this President departs office is doubly stupid. Three years of expectations, maybe even seven or eleven (assuming we can elect another Dem POTUS)... quite possibly followed by four years of setback? Maybe eight? Yeah, that's a plan--not. Work for the permanent solution, and direct that ire at people -- like Congressmen who refuse to support equality-- who deserve it--not spouses who are not on the payroll.

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Response to MADem (Reply #159)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:53 PM

166. Yes, but you know what the meme is, that 'Democrats are spineless' and won't fight back.

Going to the root - Teahadists - would be hard. GWB wouldn't have allowed any of them in the door to begin with.

Can't figure out if his was a Libertarian (Koch funded) effort or Log Cabin (also Koch funded, like the entire GOP) incident.

They'll use it to fire up the RWNJs with the 'see, blacks are getting out of hand' tactic to get them to vote. It's the only thing to top the 'angry black people' and the Obama royalty/dictator pictures they post on the net:



Those images don't leave the subconscious. So the non-verbal cue filters the words that follow.

Their other tactic is much more effective. By ratfucking DU they demoralize Democrats and get them to not show up to vote.

They win either way.

There are many pictures of the 'angry black people' on the net. They will be used for this event today. This is just one:



That will be used for this event today.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #166)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:05 PM

169. Which is why I say to these so-called activists, if they want to make change, direct their

ire towards people who OPPOSE change, not people who support it. They don't like "spineless?" Why don't they try not being spineless, and taking their message where it needs to be heard, instead of preaching to the choir, like they ALWAYS do?

What also kills me is how many people who call themselves progressives and liberals will tolerate the shitty treatment of the Obamas, and the not-so-subtle racist overtones, too.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #166)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:23 PM

244. "By ratfucking DU they demoralize Democrats and get them to not show up to vote."

Amen! Thank you so much for posting this.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #244)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:32 AM

343. Day in, day out...

The usual suspects. Lather, rinse, repeat.....

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Response to freshwest (Reply #166)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:38 AM

253. +100 = so much truth in your comments imo

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Response to freshwest (Reply #166)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:46 PM

314. I was just looking at GetEQUAL's website.

They operate out of Berkeley.

When I lived in Berkeley I saw some STRANGE SHIT coming from purportedly left groups.

They have nothing to say about this recent embarrassment.

They have nothing, NOTHING, good to say about the Obamas.

I think they may well be a RW or Libertarian backed shell disruptor group.

http://getequal.org/blog/2013/02/07/release-pres-obama-participates-in-prayer-breakfast-supporting-anti-lgbt-legislation/

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Response to freshwest (Reply #166)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:58 PM

331. Not to sound like a conspiracy freak,

but I sometimes wonder if we have posters like that on this site. It seems like whenever Obama does or supports something that the Left agrees with, his biggest critics are rarely anywhere to be seen in the comments. Yet during other times, they all but call on him to act like some king who can bypass Congress and disobey the checks-and-balances system. Unemployment isn't lowering quick enough? Well it would be if it weren't for Republicans blocking Jobs Bills.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:16 PM

21. If you believe that you have 'masters', that's wholly on you.

If you believe that you have 'masters', that's wholly on you and your own decisions in life. However, it may be less than accurate to casually apply that nom de'plume to everyone else...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:33 PM

113. Ah yes...

From the age of uniformity, from the age of solitude, from the age of Big Brother, from the age of doublethink — greetings!

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:20 PM

23. LOL

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:59 AM

12. "I never expected to be confronted while harassing someone."

Oh heavens.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:01 PM

13. Heh. Exactly!

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:06 PM

18. The poor dear.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:21 PM

101. That reaction is interesting...

In todays society were any comment on the internet is, for the most part, anonymous; when one makes a comment on a forum, one can not choose to reply or simply delete the message (on many forums) without even reading it.

However, due to that kind of mentality, when someone is actually confronted in real life, I find it really interesting how someone who is generally a jerk on the internet suddenly is humbled in person.

It's certainly an interesting duality that is taking place in society as a whole.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #101)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:08 PM

160. Best Advice is to NOT take advice from the Internet Tough Guy Quarterly:



Because as you pointed out so well, it can be a humbling experience in real life.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:40 PM

121. Maybe people *should expect to be confronted* when they confront others, instead of being one-sided.

I'm always amazed and humbled by the patience and graciousness of the Obamas. Michelle has had her patience worn thin after years of being mocked for her body and every single idea she dares to put forward which is her right as FLOTUS and an intelligent, hard-working professional woman.

Who just *happens* to be black, which some believe means she should 'just take it' as that is what they expect from blacks, to just put up with whatever white people dish out at them. We see this in the arrogance of O'Reilly, Rush, Boortz, and most of the GOP. I want those days to be over with, right now.

The people she was meeting to get support for the millions who are suffer and die who represent generations who have been held back by race for centuries, and are still dying long after the 'peculiar institution of Negro slavery' was said to end, are in a learning curve. Most have never dealt with the implications of a belief system that their social destiny was based on the color of their skin which they have been unable to escape. You cannot hide being black and it shouldn't be a crime, but in this country, it is in most cases.

The people she is working to help are disenfranchised by a poverty that those who can afford $500 to attend a meeting cannot begin to understand. They are weary of being treated as if they don't exist. I believe Michelle wants to keep the promise their hope in her and Barack that their day has come after centuries of race hate. And although she has achieved much in this life, she still feels their disappointment keenly.



JMHO.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #121)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:22 PM

184. You are correct, freshwest.

The hate and abuse that has been heaped upon our President AND Our First Lady, appall's me.

Does it surprise me that such disrespect is being thrown so freely. Sadly no.


Obama advocated of her husband's policy priorities by promoting bills that support it. Obama hosted a White House reception for women's rights advocates in celebration of the enactment of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 Pay equity law. She supported the economic stimulus bill in visits to the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development and United States Department of Education. Some observers looked favorably upon her legislative activities, while others said that she should be less involved in politics. According to her representatives, she intends to visit all United States Cabinet-level agencies in order to get acquainted with Washington.

Snip:

Michelle Obama stated that her goal was to make this effort her legacy: "I want to leave something behind that we can say, ‘Because of this time that this person spent here, this thing has changed.’ And my hope is that that’s going to be in the area of childhood obesity." Her 2012 book American Grown: The Story of the White House Kitchen Garden and Gardens Across America is based on her experiences with the garden and promotes healthy eating. Her call for action on healthy eating has been echoed by the United States Department of Defense, which has been facing an ever expanding problem of recruit obesity.

Snip:

Michelle Obama has been an advocate of the LGBT rights. In the 2008 US presidential election, Michelle boasted, to gay Democrat groups, her husband's record on LGBT rights, including, his cosponsoring of a bill amending the Illinois Human Rights Act to include protections for LGBT people which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity in the workplace, housing, and all public places, his support for the Illinois gender violence act, his support for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, his support for hate crimes protection for sexual orientation and gender identity, his support for renewed effort to fight HIV and AIDS, his support for repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell, his support for a full repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act, his support for civil unions, and his opposition to constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage in the federal, California, and Florida constitutions. She said that the US Supreme Court delivered justice in the Lawrence v. Texas case and drew a connection between the struggles for gay rights and civil rights by stating “We are all only here because of those who marched and bled and died, from Selma to Stonewall, in the pursuit of a more perfect union,”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama

I applaud our First Lady ~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #184)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:57 PM

192. Don't forget the VAWA which the GOP kept trying to deny LGBT and Natives from being covered.

Equality is what Michelle and Barack are all about. I see no heckling of the people blocking equal rights and who are against things progressives and liberals support, but only on those who are fighting for them.

I'd ask 'Who's kidding who' but there will be no answer. Another day, another faux outrage by media. They never get upset by the RW spouting hate about women, the poor, minorities and gays. So they are not Dems, but working for the other side to hurt the causes they claim to support that are our platform.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:53 PM

127. Nominated for Quote of the Year.

Good Grief. I guess no one expects any consequences for their actions anymore.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:02 PM

14. It was a speech about impoverished inner-city children

And this self-important person (who apparently must've paid $200 to get in) decides that her issue about federal contractors and discrimination is more important than the subject at hand?

I agree that these hecklers do nobody (including their own causes) any good. There's a time and a place for principled intervention. And it should be rare, very rare, if it's going to be effective. This was neither the time nor the place, and it did nothing to advance the protester's cause.

I feel very sorry that the hecklers have been mainly women lately. Not that we women don't have a right to scream every once in a while. But to scream off-topic is not the right channel for advancing one's cause. You'll only end up hurting it.

Audio of part of FLOTUS's talk, plus intervention, below:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/lgbt-rights-activist-heckles-flotus-at-dem-fundraiser

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Response to frazzled (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:58 PM

327. The heckler didn't give a shit. Her cause was more important that any other.

Sounds so.......teabaggerish to me.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:05 PM

17. Josh Marshall called her "the David Broder of hecklers."

i.e. heckling, and then being taken aback by the lack of civility after she heckled. Pretty funny line.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:45 PM

31. perfect

nt

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:13 PM

66. More like "the Bill O'Reilly of hecklers".

"Fuck it then, we'll do it live."

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:10 PM

19. Good for Mrs. Obama! First LADY, indeed.

This heckler should be deeply ashamed.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:11 PM

20. It was a private affair so people had paid to be there.

People had obviously paid for tickets, etc. to be there to hear Michelle Obama. Not some heckler.

And while I think the heckling of anyone, in particular, is pretty much rude and useless, I would certainly NOT expect to have to put up with it had I paid money to hear a speech by a specific person. Same with going to a concert to hear an artist sing and having to listen to some idiot next to me talking on a cell phone, interfering with the ability to enjoy what you've paid to hear.

And no, I don't think hecklers would be as bold as they seem to be if it were not a Black First Family occupying the White House.

I like the way Mrs. Obama handled this.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:17 PM

22. After listening to the audio

the First Lady's response makes even more sense. She was talking about something very dear to her -- the plight of inner city children. She wasn't talking about the weather or stumping for a candidate, but speaking very passionately about a topic she cares deeply about. And right in the midst of it she's rudely interrupted. That the heckler is "disappointed" that her rude behavior was confronted, and that the entire crowd (which paid to her FLOTUS, not her) supported Michelle, is just rich.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:28 PM

24. There's a time and a place

for heckling. That time and place are when a speaker is lying shamelessly or is egregiously violating the informal protocols of public decorum. It is never the time merely because one differs with or is unsatisfied by another persons position.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:40 PM

27. She is the most impressive first lady I can remember...and I remember Mamie!

Her intelligence, style, wit and honesty are just a few of the qualities I so admire.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:50 PM

32. I believe the same way

Michelle Obama is an extraordinary woman.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:53 PM

40. And I add her Get In Your Face Style. We should take a lesson.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:42 PM

28. They've got to realize an executive order is over with

when the President leaves office. And besides that I'm guessing if he did it the Senate would just table any further legislation on gay rights because the order would have "taken care of it" and they won't have to put their asses on the line with votes. So IMO an executive order would just gum up things for a long time (especially if a repub gets in next time around)

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Response to EC (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:51 PM

33. Actually, no it isn't

An Executive Order becomes a standing rule for the Executive Branch until it's replaced/repealed by another one. If every Executive Branch policy expired at the end of a Presidential term, the Government would grind to a halt.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:09 PM

59. and if a repub gets in?

you think it would stand?

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Response to EC (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:11 PM

64. Depends on the Order...

"Environmental Justice" was an EO imposed by President Clinton. It's been in effect ever since.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #64)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:40 PM

245. Please give your details on this EO and how it was enforced in the Bush administration when he

rolled back black lung benefits, lowered standards on allowable contaminants from coal burning electrical generation facilities?

When Bush loosened inspection of polluting businesses to allow voluntary inspection by business without being fined, defunded EPA superfund sites, and didn't enforce federal rules which resulted in the West, TX disaster and others, did not prosecute damage to native and minority communities under his watch, what kind of environmental justice are you talking about?

How did this environmental justice EO work after Clinton left office to protect those groups?

I'm not disputing what you say, was you may have experience or knowledge in this field, but I remember the Bush years and his environmental record was not a good one in my eyes and did not create any form of environmental justice.

So kindly inform me, as I must have missed something that you did not in those years.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #245)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:30 AM

251. From the EPA:

Environmental Justice is the fair treatment and meaningful involvement of all people regardless of race, color, national origin, or income with respect to the development, implementation, and enforcement of environmental laws, regulations, and policies. EPA has this goal for all communities and persons across this Nation. It will be achieved when everyone enjoys the same degree of protection from environmental and health hazards and equal access to the decision-making process to have a healthy environment in which to live, learn, and work.


I've had to prepare or evaluate environmental documents for agency projects for the past 15 years. The EJ regs were the same under Clinton, Bush and Obama.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #251)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:45 AM

266. Thanks. What of the changes Bush made? I don't consider them just, or environmental.

And a policy cannot be enforced if it is not funded.

I hold that a policy or an EO has no bearing in reality and will never meet the lofty goals stated in the piece quoted, if there is not enough money to hire staff to enforce regulations.

They become without effect, and the government under Bush was hallowed out nationally. Not just with environmental rules in the CFRs.

I saw what he did in Texas prior to the presidency and the same tactic was used there to hide what he had done and prevent debate. The facade of the agencies were there. But when people went expecting help, even if they qualified or their case was valid and met legal definitions, they had no money.

Are you saying environmental justice since Bush has made a difference and that polluters are being regulated after he made that voluntary?

After he changed other rules?

I understand you did the paper work for legal purpose, and may have helped a company who had best intentions to meet the goals suggested. But you may not have lived with the lack of regulation due to not funding enforcement powers.

I appreciate your answer and would appreciate more.

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Response to EC (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:02 PM

238. +1111

It is so ridiculous this obsession with executive orders. During the DADT overturning, which the President wanted to be by legislation, because that is much stronger, there were tons of posts on the board screaming about how the President was a bigot because he could just do away with it with a "stroke of his pen." Which any R President can simply undo.

People don't know how the system works and in such cases, their contribution is little.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:44 PM

29. Bullies usually get surprised when someone stands up the them

I guess Sturtz thought she was going to take advantage of "No Drama Obama". Wrong one, dummy.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:52 PM

34. K&R

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:52 PM

35. OBAMA can go to hell with her disrespect

EQUALITY DELAYED IS EQUALITY DENIED



Ellen Sturz is a REAL AMERICAN HERO

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:53 PM

36. good luck advocating on Full Ignore

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Response to ZRT2209 (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:53 PM

37. I am happy when bigots ignore me.

bye bye

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:10 AM

282. Here's a book recommendation for you

Since you like to assume everyone is a bigot:



It might actually do some good for that chip on your shoulder.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #282)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:27 AM

283. I am just fine the way I am

ANd yes, the people I call bigots, are.

If you are not for full and immediate equality - you are a bigot
If you try to minimialize the discrimination that gays face - you are a bigot
If you are more concerned about cheap political points than equality - you are a bigot.
If you tell me to keep quiet, you already have plenty of rights - you are a bigot

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #283)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:21 PM

290. You seem awfully judgemental...

...for someone that likes to portray themselves as better than the 4 points listed in your post.

"do as I say, not as I do" seems like your meme...and it's pathetic.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #290)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:08 AM

341. Not at all

I am for immediate equality for all.

It is very simple

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #283)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:51 AM

333. In other words

If we don't think, do, and say exactly what you do, then we are bigots.

Got it.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #333)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:23 AM

342. No - there is objective standards on bigotry

Supporting immediate equality takes you out of the bigot camp.


I am sorry if the truth hurts.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #342)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:34 AM

344. Sounds like objective standards to me

Someone says "I don't support what person A has done (because of their behavior), and you call them a bigot. Once again got.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:11 PM

97. grow some skin

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Response to ZRT2209 (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:11 AM

248. Lol, your drama cracks me up! n-t

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:55 PM

44. Respect given

Is respect returned in spades.

If you want Mrs. Obama to do something - then get her elected to office.


Why should one black woman take one ounce of shit from one white woman? What did Ms. Sturz want? Mrs. Obama to come fan her down? She treated Mrs. Obama like a maid in The Help and expected to get respect? That's just rich.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:57 PM

45. What does race have to do with it?

Nothing.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:00 PM

49. I don't see that way… I think that race has a lot to do with this.

But then, after all, I'm black.

Or does that not matter here?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:32 PM

110. I agree. The casual disrespect for this POTUS/FLOTUS abounds.

From all sides.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #110)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:12 AM

249. Lol, people yelled at bush all the time! Threw shoes!

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Response to Logical (Reply #249)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:54 AM

337. That didn't happen in the U.S. A shoe-thrower would have been arrested here. n/t

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #110)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:59 AM

256. Absolutely and it does have to do with race imo & what they are used to getting away re: minorities

of course I remember at the beginning of the tea party scourge many here argued that racism had nothing to do with their antics & appeal
and perhaps,...still think that

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:02 PM

50. Everything

I've seen great strides made for the GLBT community since President Obama has been in office.

You don't think it's at ALL significant?


Because us black folks? We've had to take a seat at the back of the bus this ENTIRE Presidency. She was talking about poor little black and hispanic kids (for the most part - the poor inner city).


And don't think we haven't seen how about a third of the Democratic party has 'tolerated' the President and Mrs. Obamas skin. We see it.

And for ONCE she got to speak about poor minority kids - and this asshole has to go and make it about her.


And if you DON'T think 99% of the bullshit thrown at this President, his wife, his children, his mother has been about his skin color - then you are delusional. She sounded no different to me than Ted Nugent or Ann Coulter or Newt GingriNch, or Ted Cruz etc. etc.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:05 PM

54. You are projecting racism on the GLBT community

And to the hero Sturz

Yes, there are plenty of racists that hate the Obamas because they are black.

But you diminish the effect when you claim racism every time someone disagrees with them.


So we are not allowed to criticize the Obamas?


I voted twice for President Obama. Race had zero to do with my vote

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:12 PM

65. Good for you

And you should have! He did things that we thought would NEVER happen in our life time for the GLBT community.


But - if the GLBT community INDIVIDUAL member acts like A drooling idiot IndieTeaPublican (code for bigot) - then I WILL show them how they are acting JUST LIKE a jackhammer in a tricorn hat.


And every last one of THOSE PEOPLE are bigots.


So either be polite - or get lumped in with the dregs. She's getting lumped in with the dregs - because she acted just like one of them.

To INCLUDE getting whiny and cry baby because Mrs. Obama had the nerve to put her in her place.

She couldn't have raised her hand and politely ASKED to speak? She couldn't have approached her after the event?

Behave like a jack ass, get treated like one and have people believe you are one.


She's not a hero. She's a rich elite woman who acted like a spoiled little snot and for once didn't get a pony or lollipop and is now whining about it. Ohh - but the tall girl was mwweeaaan to meeeeeeeeeeeeee. Well yeah - you were mean to her first.

More elected Democratics should act like Mrs. Obama did. Maybe then the IndieTeaPubs would shut the fuck up already.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #65)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:41 AM

264. I truly love you. Truly

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:18 PM

68. I came across this story on Tumblr, as it was posted by a black lesbian that I follow

Would you like to see HER take on all of this?

Here's her post:

The fact that this white woman was taken aback by Michelle Obama refusing to be disrespected says everything you need to know about the engagement between white women and black women, especially in political spaces and discourse.

You disrespect us but then simultaneously expect us to cater to your whims, needs, and desires. Without backlash or consequence.

The white neo-liberal politic at work here, especially the white queer feminist neo-liberal politic. Where brown bodies are not important until they have something to be gained.

(I’m not even going to get into how short sighted executive orders for civil rights have historically been in terms of sustainable social change)

http://navigatethestream.tumblr.com/post/52222483293/first-lady-michelle-obama-confronts-gay-rights-heckler



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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #68)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:42 PM

85. Thanks for this link. n/t

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #85)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:52 PM

89. You bet. There's another opinion that I thought was important here

And that's the one being offered by Black Queer voices.

Interestingly enough, those voices are standing up for Mrs. Obama and NOT for Ms. Sturtz.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #89)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:19 PM

100. To be honest...

I try to stay out of these DU frays on display in this thread.

Not judging, not blaming.

I'm a white, heterosexual female. I can try to empathize but just don't feel I can offer an informed opinion.

There's a lot of suffering and anger all around. Hell, I'm angry about the myriad injustices but can only speak intelligently about what I've experienced or witnessed directly. I just wish things were different, with true equality and social justice all the way around, but we all know we're far from that.



I appreciate seeing links like you shared though, for even more perspective.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #100)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:29 PM

108. Here's some more information that I'd think you'd like

An article about Respectability Politics.

Black women and the burden of respectability
Fame + Fortune
Illustration by Angie Wang

In February 2012, PBS host Tavis Smiley interviewed Viola Davis and Octavia Spencer about their Oscar nominations for their roles as Aibileen and Minny, Jim Crow–era domestic workers in The Help. “I’m pulling for both of you to win on Academy Award night,” Smiley ventured. “But there’s something that sticks in my craw about celebrating Hattie McDaniel so many years ago for playing a maid”—a reference to the actor who won for her role as Mammy in 1939’s Gone with the Wind. “I want you to win,” Smiley concluded, “but I’m ambivalent about what you’re winning for.”

Davis countered that it is hard for black actresses to find multifaceted roles in Hollywood, and that pressure from the black community to eschew portrayals that are not heroic makes it even harder: “That very mind-set that you have, and that a lot of African-Americans have, is absolutely destroying the black artist…. If your criticism is that you just don’t want to see the maid...then I have an issue with that. Do I always have to be noble?”

For black women, particularly those in the public eye, the answer to this question is often a resounding “Yes.” They are required to be noble examples of black excellence. To be better. To be respectable. And the bounds of respectability are narrowly defined by professional and personal choices reflecting the social mores of the majority culture—patriarchal, Judeo-Christian, heteronormative, and middle class.

Spencer ended up taking home an Oscar later that month for Best Supporting Actress (Davis lost to Meryl Streep for Best Actress), but Smiley had articulated a discomfort many in the black community felt about their big-screen roles. For all its popularity and acclaim, The Help illustrates that Hollywood still filters (and distorts) the lives and histories of minorities through the eyes of the majority; celebrates white saviors; and, 72 years post-Mammy, is still more comfortable casting black women as maids than as prime ministers, action heroes, or romantic leads.

http://bitchmagazine.org/article/no-disrespect




Something else to consider in light of Ms. Sturtz's confrontation of Mrs. Obama.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #89)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:01 PM

194. Glad to hear it!

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #89)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:44 AM

265. "Black Queer voices...are standing up for Mrs. Obama and NOT for Ms. Sturtz."

And that surprises... who, exactly???

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #68)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:45 PM

123. I'm trying to decide what the right intersectional thing to do here for both women would have been

Both women are the members of more than one discriminated against group. Seems like there should be an intersectional way they could have handled this that did not end up with a zero sum game, loser vs a winner.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #123)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:01 PM

134. I seriously doubt that Sturtz would have been interested in any form of intersectionality at all

Ms. Sturtz started out by interrupting the First Lady in an attempt to usurp the narrative with a concern of her own and found out that the crowd would not support her when given an opportunity by Mrs. Obama.

It pretty much demonstrated the flaw in most hecklers' logic. There isn't any. They heckle because they want attention, yet without the added responsibility of having that attention.

She tried to ride Michelle's skirt tails was promptly told to, "Step off."

I'm with Michelle Obama all the way on this.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:35 PM

116. This white guy is calling racist, too.

I have seen Michelle throw herself at nutrition and child nutrition programs that affect all of us for years. She set aside ONE day to discuss issues important to the black community, and Sturz decided that it was outrageous enough that she was going to interrupt and heckle Michelle.

Fuck her and fuck anyone in the LGBT community that thinks the social justice spotlight should be on them 100% of the time with no other important social issues allowed to be discussed until they get everything they want.

We're all in this together and that means giving mutual respect to important social justice causes beyond your own.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:00 PM

48. Yes, so yell at the right people!! CONGRESS !!!

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Response to Pisces (Reply #48)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:35 PM

332. Congress? What Congress?

Obama is king--he can enact any law he wants to without Congress! He is just being his usual sellout, spineless moderate Republican self.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:05 PM

51. no offense

but bullshit

there's a time and place for these discussions and this was not the time nor the place

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:06 PM

55. So heckle those actually standing in the way

of LGBT rights, i.e., not the first couple who have been very supportive. She could have done so much more for her cause if she simply waited for the Q&A portion and made a reasoned and intelligent argument at that point. She would have had not only the First Lady's attention (and probably support) but the entire room's as well. It was a Democratic fund-raiser for pete's sake, I'm sure the entire place was on board with her cause, just not her method. Opportunity totally wasted.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:09 PM

60. The First Lady Wasn't Disrespectful

The first lady was invited to speak. The audience paid to hear the first lady speak. The audience expected to hear the first lady speak and confirmed this...but asking the heckler to leave.

How was the first lady disrespectful?

I can't wait to hear this explanation. It's bound to be good.

A strange woman, standing up and interrupting the First Lady of the United States of America as she speaks passionately about poor, disadvantaged children is (to you) a real American hero.

The First Lady who has (dare I say it) the AUDACITY to think she should have the floor, because, she's the one that was invited to speak was disrespectful according to what... Bad Manners and Heckling 101?

See, that's the real problem, right there. Up is down, and down is up. No wonder DU is confused, half the time.

What should Mrs. Obama have done according to you?

Oh...I'm sorry, Ms. Sturtz. Although, the audience would like to hear me. Your voice is more important. Let me go sit down over here in the corner and then we will all listen to you. Then, I'll get on the phone and call my husband and tell him...I have just gone to a speaking engagement to hear Ms. Sturtz. And, she says she knows exactly what you need to do. By the way, she's free to also advise you on foreign affairs. But, she's going to be tied up the rest of this week. But, she may be able to squeeze you in next week.

Because apparently, the world revolves around Ms. Sturtz.

No...she found out the world does not revolve around her.

There is a time and place. Sturtz didn't pick the time or the place. In a 24 hour day, she picked an hour that didn't suit her objective. It happens. She didn't pick the right place. It happens.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:20 PM

69. Disrespect is shown disrespect in kind.

If you want respect, show some.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:30 PM

74. The FLOTUS isn't delaying or denying anything.

She has no power over this issue except to express her opinion.

Ellen Sturz failed in her target selection process. She'd be better off heckling in the Congress, which is the proper venue for overturning DOMA/etc. Or in the Courts.

The executive is not a king, even if I grant that Michelle might have some influence over Barack's opinion on this issue. He has already directed the DoJ not to defend it anyway. It's up to the courts/legislature now. (And to us, the people)

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:33 PM

78. Since when is a woman standing up for herself disrespect?

I don't think either woman behaved inappropriately.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #78)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:35 PM

81. I can respect THAT :)

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #78)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:57 PM

93. Thank you. Michelle didn't back down.

I would have done the same thing. This was a private home. The heckler was standing right next to her. Yelling. What the fuck did she expect? A hug?

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:54 PM

91. So can the whiny heckler. nt

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:24 PM

104. Ellen Sturz my well be a hero.....

.....but it isn't because of her actions at this speech.

Her actions at this speech make her an asshole.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:05 PM

136. Like Michelle Obama knows NOTHING about equality denied

And she still doesn't have equality YET. This was NOT the time or place to heckle the First Lady. Yes I want equality too, but heckling the first lady is not how one does it. Perhaps the heckler could have asked Michelle a question after her speech.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #136)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:25 PM

143. Then her lack of empathy is even more astounding.

Perhaps I can just be equal now.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #143)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:51 PM

176. In general, I think it's tough to empathize

with someone who is heckling you. Especially if she keeps at it after she's made her initial point.

I know I wouldn't be able to do it.

What do you think Ms. Obama's response should have been?



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Response to thucythucy (Reply #176)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:52 PM

177. Acknowledge the grave injustice done to GLBT Americans

Promise to ask her husband to KEEP HIS WORD, and then ask the focus be turned back to the issue at hand - raising money.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #177)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:05 PM

240. What word?

And does that apply to any of us. We can just take our issue and interrupt anyone else, any time? There will never be another speech given.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #143)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:55 PM

190. Her lack of empathy???

Michelle Obama showed she lacked empathy by...expecting to be able to speak at an event that she was invited to speak at...???

I can't even fathom it.

How did Michelle Obama display a lack of empathy for a woman yelling at her while she was trying to speak?

So, was the first lady supposed to be quiet while the heckler spoke? Is that it?

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:50 PM

151. you suck, dude. seriously.

 

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:25 PM

163. As a gay man, Ellen Sturz began the disrespect.

By definition.

It was rude and from my own viewpoint, reflects badly on our community.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #163)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:52 PM

165. In your opinion

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #165)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:12 PM

171. Yep. Sturtz playing the victim only diminishes her standing.

"I was taken aback."

Really?

What did she think was going to happen? Spontaneous applause? A ticker-tape parade? A revolution?

She was rude (not just to Ms. Obama, but to everyone in attendance) and got called out for it.



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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:53 PM

39. The audience wanted the heckler gone...

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/grapevine/why-heckling-michelle-obama-doesnt-pay

"Once she threatened to leave, others in attendance reportedly told Sturtz that she had to go."

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:54 PM

41. ...

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:55 PM

42. I love her response!! This woman did not expect to be engaged directly? She

Wanted to shout at someone and the person just take it. Mrs. O just let everyone know that she is not President Obama, and she doesn't have to be gracious to rude people!!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:55 PM

43. Hmmm.

I obviously wasn't there but personally, would have preferred if FLOTUS would have countered with "We can discuss your issue after I'm finished here. This is a different subject matter entirely. Please sit down." or something like that in a firm tone, but to say something to the effect of "either shut up or I'm leaving" sounds like something a teenager would do, not a lawyer/mother of teenagers.

JHMO, flame away.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:07 PM

58. I agree 100%, and just said so

She sounded like a petulant child.

"If you don't shut up, I am going to take my ball and go home." And then allowed the others to bully the woman into silence.

I like Obama, but this makes me rethink her. I think she has been inside the bubble too long.

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Response to adigal (Reply #58)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:54 AM

268. oiy.

 



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Response to Myrina (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:15 PM

98. that's my only beef, and it's not really a beef, per se..

my beef is more with the people cheering Michelle on. it could've been handled a lot better. smacks of do you know who I am?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:57 PM

46. Love her

da best!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:00 PM

47. I distinctly recall

Our First Lady expressing her role as a mother first and foremost. She handled this like a mom with a rude and unruly child... not that this Sturtz woman was not advocating a worthy cause (I am not up to date on the issue but still) she was disrespectful to the cause Mrs. Obama was speaking about and to claim that "getting down in her face" was unexpected, well it makes me laugh. If you are going to be confrontational in an erratic fashion, you should anticipate an unusual response. Mrs. O certainly handled it well and with class and intellect. Good on her. As for the heckler, I hope she learned something of value from the experience with regard to respect and staying on topic.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:05 PM

52. I have to say, if Laura Bush did this, you all would be reacting with outrage

MO was speaking, and when interrupted, sounded like a child who was going to take her microphone and go home.

I like Michelle Obama, but think she handled this very poorly. She could have spoken to the woman for a moment and asked her for respect, but instead, she threatened the crowd with leaving, and got them to bully the heckler.

Doesn't sit right with me.

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Response to adigal (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:20 PM

70. No, I'd give Ms. Bush her props for taking care of business. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #70)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:28 PM

73. Then I think you are in the minority here n/t

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Response to adigal (Reply #73)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:31 PM

76. I'm used to it, nt

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Response to adigal (Reply #73)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:59 PM

95. No. A woman has the right to stand up for herself to someone shouting in her face. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #70)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:22 PM

102. Yup, me too.

I would have been shocked if Laura Bush had stood up for herself. Heckler would have been strong armed out of the room.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #102)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:23 PM

142. Heckler wouldn't even have gotten NEAR the room.

Has everyone here forgotten the infamous "First Amendment Zones" that were always set up BLOCKS away from any bush gathering - so far away that the press wasn't there and the protesters were rendered completely irrelevant? People were subjected to searches before they were allowed to enter. It was always invitation only. Cherry-picked audience-members to make sure only the "chosen" followers and sycophants were allowed in. For the entire last "presidency," it was like that. I've noticed the glaring difference, since then, between the bush/cheney years and the Obama years. There was zero tolerance of ANY opposing views from 2001-2009. NOBODY outside the bubble got a fair hearing, or even a chance to confront the "king."

Since the beginning of the Obama years, that whole feeling changed. It seemed as though the doors were opened a lot wider and anyone could come in, regardless, and at least get their few moments to vent. What would have happened if some hothead Dem shouted "You LIE!" at bush during one of the State of the Union addresses? Such an individual would have been rudely and abruptly escorted OUT, and then the press would have rained down its own criticism - "how DARE you do that to the President during the SOTU!?!?!?!?" But some pipsqueak like joe wilson hollers it out during President Obama's SOTU and is damn near lionized for it. AND he was allowed to stay for the rest of the speech, instead of being taken by the scruff of the neck and kicked out the door.

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Response to calimary (Reply #142)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:36 PM

231. +1,000. Maybe some people don't remember those years?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #231)

Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:08 PM

346. Maybe MOST people don't remember those years.

I still do. INFURIATING!!!!!


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Response to calimary (Reply #142)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:39 AM

280. Well said, and calling Joe Wilson a pipsqueak is being very kind. nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #280)

Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:09 PM

347. Oh believe me, I have words for him that would incinerate my computer.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #70)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:14 AM

250. Lol, I doubt it! n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #250)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:55 AM

281. Heck, I give her husband props for dodging that shoe.

If only he had been that alert and nimble before 9/11/01.

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Response to adigal (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:39 PM

120. And you heard the recording?

The arrogance of interrupting the speaker and expecting them to hand you a positive result on a platter? Really?

The heckler could have taken a more positive approach for making a demand.

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Response to adigal (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 01:38 PM

349. The point, is that Laura Bush would NEVER

have been put in that position in the first place. Like others have pointed out, the level of disrespect and contempt levied at this couple is unprecedented. Pure bigotry.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:06 PM

56. I thought bravo Mrs. Obama.....someone has got to put a stop to this madness of interrupting anyone

who's giving a speech. It's just disrespectful, period, and I don't care who's speaking.....

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:09 PM

61. The vitriol that the first black family has endured is a national disgrace. It's beyond political.



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Response to freshwest (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:15 PM

67. True.

Funny cause the right was pushing so hard to end affirmative action and do away with laws against discrimination before the president was elected but after the past five years of outright ugly open bigotry they've shown that if anything we need to double down on that stuff for a generation or two more.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:21 PM

71. Curious, do you think this particular heckler was motivated by race?

honest question.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #71)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:45 PM

295. No... I don't think race was the ultimate motivator

I do however think race played into how the situation was approached and handled.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:15 PM

99. While I agree with Maher's sentiments, I don't think this was at all about race.

It was a left-leaning activist behaving like a teabagger, and throwing a tantrum because she isn't getting every she wants right NOW. I don't know why this twit thought she was going to accomplish anything by harassing Mrs. Obama, who has no say-so in any of it.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #99)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:58 PM

132. I didn't say it was about race, but as the first black family, that's the atmosphere nationally.

She's been attacked since Day One and I am amazed she has held it together in the face of an army of hypocrites attacking her, her children and husband.

I am tired of teabaggers of ALL persuasions, who demand to be addressed immediately, just stop every damn thing, and to hell with every other person around them, or else they pitch a fit and scream repression.

And you are correct, she has no say-so on law. It was just venting on the FLOTUS, since human rights are not a matter of pillow talk and opinion between her and Barack, but law.

I believe this was not an honest act on the part of the protestor, but done to divide Democrats. It will work, too, just watch.




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Response to freshwest (Reply #132)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:19 PM

140. You got no argument from me.

I'm sick of the teabaggers demanding instant gratification, too. But, I'm just as sick of it coming from the Left. I don't know if this woman was really trying to divide the Dems, although judging by what I'm seeing here at DU, she's doing just that. Personally, I think she is just attention-hungry.

I'm also really sick of people demanding the president write executive orders. He has been bending over backwards to make sure changes that are made are permanent. That isn't going to be accomplished by executive orders. What's this woman going to do if Chris Christie becomes president and reverses them?

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #140)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:08 PM

153. This reminds me of the hecklers from the right, and the one on Gitmo.

And really, they know better if they know anything about the Constitution. The Libertarians will use any of the traditional issues to split Democrats, but they are just giving them lip service right now.

Obama has already issued federal changes in Medicare and hospital rules which was in his power, to stop some of the worst abuses of gays which was the cruelty of denying hospital visitation. But that's not a LAW.

And yes, EO's get overturned, and they have NO funding for enforcement if the House of Representatives can defund whatever they say. The POTUS does not have the power of the purse, Congress does, and he has to shuffle around for funds. It takes changing Congress to get all that we want done.

I just found the video of the first time I heard John Kerry speak in public in 1971 when I was there for the anti-war demo April 24th. There were over 200,000 of us there, but some said it was half a million. Only one senator came out to see us, and John Kerry who was leading the VVAW spoke of that.

He said if those in office would not bring the troops home, we would go to the polls to remove them and then transform the government ourselves. A lot got accomplished in those days. But now we have people saying not to vote, pointing up the faults of liberals, progressive and Dems, and it always turns out they are Libertarians who profit by the status quo now, and would be better off without all that pesky government that Kerry spoke of transforming society, and did.

Libertarians don't want that in the long run, they want the government to have no power to end discrimination and regulate and change things that way. That leads to more power for the well off and those were the people that I feel Michelle was speaking about to people with money.

Agree on the attention seeking and instant gratification... How many millions in this country have not recieved either? The activist could have waited to the end to say her piece, but at times it appears activists have no heart for anything but the group they say they represent. Do we know anything about her, except she got her moment of fame?

We've seen so many people take a piss on the Obamas, not because they care or because they are truly concerned. They are making political points for the media to grind out to make the White House look bad. She would have gotten her issue answered, which she likely knew Michelle was incapable of helping with, at the end of the presentation.

But now she has media face time and a platform to say that Michelle Obama is out of line, and that she doesn't care. What is really going on here?

Libertarians won't acknowledge that centuries of slavery and racial discrimination in this country have made an unequal playing field that libertarianism does not have a solutions for, except the invisible hand of the market and other magical ideas. They are doing a good job of destroying the Demcratic Party by pretending to be liberal or progressive. If they were, they would embrace lifting up the poor that Michelle was making an impassioned case there.

And there are some on the Left who want the Democrats to fail in 2014 and 2016, just as they advocated even here on DU, as they think a glorious uprising of the miserable will lead to their revolution. Guess who dies first in all of these processes?

Not those with means who are cheering storming the Bastille, but the poor who are suffering now. When Libertarians come here and attack Democrats for what they can use a wedge on social safety net issues, I cannot forget that they don't believe in having one period.

When I see them wail about the justice system, I cannot forget that they want all regulation and laws and courts, public schools, fire fighters and public hospitals to all go away and be privatized. Their starve the goverment plan eliminates public defenders, diversion plans for those who would be locked up, and a fair appeal process for the poor.

So, they want the government gone, and who will get health care, decent housing, food and water other than the rich, and who will not get them?

So I have little patience on this, as I feel that I am being lied to, and I appreciate your take on the matter.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #132)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:56 PM

157. Hi fresh.. and she still held it together. I found this on TOD from someone who was there

at the Fundraiser..

From Gwendolyn in the comments:

There were 2 hecklers…a guy and this woman. I attended the fundraiser. The young man yelled out, and the woman joined. The female heckler was within the view of the First Lady. Supporters around the female heckler (including me!) were being vocal about the heckling. There was some movement in the group, and I think the First Lady was actually trying to take the sting out of the situation. Our First Lady Did Not over-react. I believe she was making sure no one became aggressive.

Thankfully, we have such a positive and effective First Lady. The dumb republicans do not understand grace!

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/05/rise-and-shine-520/

And, some Tweets from "April"..

April @ReignOfApril

I want to get my point across at a private home fundraiser, I slip @FLOTUS an impassioned letter signed by many on my issue. Not heckle her.

April @ReignOfApril

You confront the wife of the leader of the free world but then are "taken aback" when she confronts you right back. That's privilege, folks.

April @ReignOfApril

Ellen Sturtz goes to heckle @FLOTUS in a private home & then describes the crowd's response as "unsettling & disturbing." Girl, bye.


Oh the Irony!

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Response to Cha (Reply #157)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:13 PM

161. Thanks for the additional take from someone who was actually there, Cha. It shows privilege, and a

plan to get press coverage to bash the Obamas. It works very well.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #161)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:08 PM

170. Here's another personal account of someone else who was at the fundraiser for inner city kids..

FLOTUS & The Heckler: South Side Chicago In The D.C. House!


First Lady Michelle Obama at a fundraiser before a heckler interrupts. Photo by SJSB.

http://mahoganie.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/flotus-the-heckler-south-side-chicago-in-the-d-c-house/

And, a blogger who 'splains the South Side of Chicago..

Michelle Obama Let a Protester Have It and I Approve!

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2013/06/michelle-obama-protester.html


An unrelated pic of Michelle looking like “AND?!? Whatchu gon do?”

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Response to freshwest (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:10 PM

197. Well Said!

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Response to freshwest (Reply #61)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 06:03 AM

338. Do you mean to purposefully conflate what the middle aged lesbian who wants her civil rights did...

with that Bill Maher quote?

I think the nice lesbian lady actually backed down, sans rage. Maybe she got that her timing was off.

But you seem to engage in some conflating of issues throughout the thread here. Do you think at her core, the lesbian lady is a good person? Do you think lesbians can be considered to be decent people at all, even if they get pushy, rude and insistent about equality? It's difficult to tell from all the conflating...and what-not, steam-rolling maybe? Just a little?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:23 PM

72. So what, it was a private house not a public venue......

if I was the host I'd would have asked her to leave my residence PDQ. She not only disrespected the FLOTUS she did so to all the attendees.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:30 PM

75. Sturtz is an IDIOT, plain and simple. And possibly a racist as well.

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Response to ZRT2209 (Reply #75)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:33 PM

79. This is a rhetorical trick used most clumsily. Your comment is most unwelcome.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:32 PM

77. Sturtz was hoping to verbally abuse and berate the First Lady until she cried or broke down, I think

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Response to ZRT2209 (Reply #77)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:33 PM

80. Not a big fan of LGBT issues, eh?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #80)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:35 PM

82. not a big fan of racist bullies and idiots

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Response to ZRT2209 (Reply #82)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:36 PM

83. "Racist" is a term that should be used cautiously.

Care to explain why you chose to use it in this context?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #83)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:52 PM

125. because they don't know fuckall..

people like to throw that term around whenever they can't form a cogent argument to back up their point of view. anyone and everyone that isn't 101% satisfied with Obama is clearly a racist.

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Response to frylock (Reply #125)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 06:31 AM

340. Trolls certainly do. Then they run off.

trolls be trollin'.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:39 PM

84. If she were a ANGRY BLACK WOMEN

she would have kick her ass. I'm so sick and tired of the uppity and angry black shit. She human just like all the naysayers.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:44 PM

86. Ellen Sturtz says she was 'surprised'..she should use all the interviews now- to make her point.

Mz. Sturtz, does have a good point, however she should have waited untill the end for questions and made her point then.

Really not fair to dominate a fundraiser when a small group of people did donate to have Mrs. Obama speak.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:47 PM

87. Ms. Sturtz. Rudeness is NOT the way to lend credence to your cause. When you are being rude it

should be dealt with in the manner of an adult scolding a 2 year old having a fit of temper. Our First Lady did just that. You would be better served joining a cause to have the laws changed, not just demanding you get your own brand of candy. And doing it in a respectful manner might just gain you some respect and a couple ears that will listen.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #87)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:22 PM

103. I suppose you think Rosa Parks was rude for not following custom by refusing to give up her bus seat

This is not the middle ages and Michelle Obama is not a queen for whom we are all to bow down to by penalty of death.

Sturtz is a hero and a true progressive by standing up and speaking out for civil rights.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #103)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:18 AM

284. Rosa Parks was demanding her Constitutional rights in a public space.

Sturtz was running her mouth in a private venue, and was doing so against the wishes of the homeowner and those who were in attendance. Your attempt to equate the two is laughable at best, and could accurately be described as dishonest and insulting to a real hero. (In case you forgot, Rosa Parks went to jail, Sturtz was escorted from the room and didn't get to finish her $500 lunch.)

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #284)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:41 AM

286. If the venue matters to you, then I question your commitment to Constitutional and civil rights

The fact that you feel it is not OK for people to protest for LGBT rights also speaks volumes about your commitment to Democratic principles.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #286)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:06 PM

288. Question away. At least you showed enough sense not to try and equate Sturtz with Rosa Parks again.

So, tell me, should the First Lady be interrupted every time she makes a statement about anything other than GLBT rights?

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #288)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:12 PM

289. I support any citizen directly questioning and criticizing people of authority and influence

I don't care about the circumstances or the issue. The person likely is aware of any consequences that may befall them, so I applaud their courage to speak out.

This issue has made it clear that many, many people here on DU do not support LGBT civil rights. For me, civil rights trump decorum any and every day. Sturtz is a hero for championing civil rights, regardless of what people think of her methods.

It's funny how the people criticizing Sturtz are not criticizing President Obama for not signing the EO. If he had signed the EO when he promised he would sign it, then this event probably wouldn't happened. Sturtz is not to blame, Barack Obama is.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #289)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:34 PM

293. I'll ask you again, should the First Lady be interrupted any time she addresses an issue other than

GLBT rights?

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #293)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:41 PM

294. I already answered your question in the previous post.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #294)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:59 PM

296. No, you didn't. And this has now become akin to arguing with my nutcase, fundie, co-worker.

He, too, just makes shit up and throws it out there. Show us where you either said that Michelle Obama should or should not be interrupted every time she speaks to an issue other than LGBT rights. Not whether or not you support it in some cases, not amorphous bullshit about "questioning authority", just plain and simple, should it always happen? That was my question. You can answer it or not, but you can't pretend that you have done so when you have not.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #296)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:03 PM

298. What does this statement mean to you?

I support any citizen directly questioning and criticizing people of authority and influence.

MO is undeniably a person of influence. If someone wants to heckle or protest her, then they have my support. Is that clear enough for you?

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #298)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:25 PM

302. I didn't ask if you "support" it. The question I asked is SHOULD (see, that's the key word)

SHOULD Mrs. Obama be interrupted any time she speaks about an issue other than LGBT rights? You are more than willing to laud as a "hero" the person who did it this time. If indeed Sturtz's actions were "heroic", then SHOULD they not be repeated any time a speaker addresses a different topic?
But just for shits and giggles, if the First Lady WAS speaking out about LGBT rights in a setting where that topic had been advertised as the reason for her speech, and a teabagger interrupted her to begin railing against "Obamacare", "death panels", "socialism", and "traditional marriage"; would you support that individual's "questioning and criticizing a person of authority and influence"?

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #302)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:30 PM

303. Yes to all three of your questions.

Hopefully that response doesn't confuse you.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #303)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:58 PM

306. At last, you finally answered. So, to recap, if your answer to all of my questions is yes ...

then in your estimation the First Lady SHOULD be interrupted any time she speaks on a topic other than LGBT rights. But she SHOULD also be interrupted when she is speaking about LGBT rights. Well, now you are on the record in stating that First lady Michele Obama (and by inference everyone else you deem to be influential) should never be allowed to speak about anything without being interrupted by whomever has a a pet issue.
I salute you for your consistency, but I hope that I never have to sit anywhere near you in a movie theater. Or a play. Or a concert. Or at a fucking speech where the topic of said speech had already been made known to all of the attendees.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #306)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:03 PM

308. It's disturbing that you're more outraged by the interruption than by the lack of LGBT civil rights

It's too bad DU couldn't muster the same level of outrage for President Obama's unwillingness to sign the EO, especially since ENDA will never pass the Republican led US House.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #308)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:21 PM

315. It's interesting how you believe you can determine DU's level of outrage regarding one topic...

from reading a thread pertaining to a completely different subject. I would never presume to speak for DU, but ordinarily I voice my outrage at the lack of civil rights afforded to my GLBT brothers and sisters in discussions dedicated to that issue. Likewise, I prefer to confine mention of my lack of affinity for rude assholes to discussions related to that issue.
But that's just me.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #103)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:59 PM

297. Sturtz a true hero for speaking out?

I don't know about you, but several people yelling over one another, each touting their one true passion at the same time, makes it all sound more like a bunch of hissy white noise. Is that what you are touting? Because I don't see how that yelling thing works for one group without saying it's ok for every group to do that...while using each others forums to promote their personal agenda.

So by all means lets that anti pipeline people, anti vacc people, the pro porn people, the bankers, the gold buyers, the pro Vap cigarette people, the gay advocates, the anti gay advocates, the athiests and the Muslims and Hindus, the pro polygamy, the christian Right, PETA and every other advocate all press their point at the same time, because it's what one does to be a hero?

Sturtz messed up big time. She could easily have spoken out at a time and place that gave her the public undividded attention and listening ear.

While there are several civil rights and social issues that are ALL important, there is nothing Sturtz did that maked her statement more important than the one that was being addressed.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #297)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:06 PM

299. When exactly would Sturtz have gotten both MO's and the public's undivided attention and ears?

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #299)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:17 PM

300. The public ear is ready on the gay issue....she organizes her own venue

as for MO's attention and lisening ear...you think that was acheived by this stunt? Do you suddenly rearrange your life and take on the mantle of someone that heckles you in public? Sturtz isn't a hero, she failed and actually hurt her cause....read the rest of this thread and you will understand that Sturzt didn't acheive political capital at all.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #300)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:24 PM

301. She grabbed MO's attention for a few moments and made the national news yesterday

Sturtz's actions were widely successful as far as heckling and protesting goes. Just because you think she was rude for daring to interrupt the First Lady, that does not mean she didn't bring attention to her cause.

Those of us here at DU would be wise to champion civil rights instead of championing personalities, regardless if we support Sturtz or MO in this situation. From my perspective, it seems like most of Sturtz's supporters put LGBT civil rights ahead of her while it seems like MO's supporters put MO ahead of LGBT civil rights. That's a big problem for me.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #301)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:34 PM

312. The cause already had attention...now it has negative attention. That was good?

did Sturtz affect any policy change or did Sturtz humiliate herself in public and draw negative attention to the subject matter.

Unfortunatly, I think it more of the latter.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #312)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:45 PM

313. If Sturtz's actions compel Pres. Obama to not sign the EO, then he's a bigot.

Anybody who is more offended by the interruption than by the lack of LGBT civil rights has some seriously screwed up priorities - and that includes many people here at DU.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #313)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:21 PM

324. your assertion that this heckling act alone SHOULD compel Michelle to Force POTUS

to sign anything into law via EO, is actually quite nuts.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #103)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:09 PM

328. Rosa Parks didn't yell. She quietly sat down and silently refused to give up her seat

to a man. That is vastly, infinitely different from what the jackass that shouted at the First Lady did.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #328)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:35 PM

330. So sound volume is your determining factor when deciding if a cause is just?

Thus you only support a cause when they sit down and shut up about it?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:59 PM

94. If PO should write an executive order for her issue, why shouldn't he write one for MY issue, for

anyone's and everyone's?

If one issue group can/should demand that, ALL of them can and SHOULD.

Why should one issue receive special treatment and not others?

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Response to patrice (Reply #94)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:20 PM

182. The order is already in the works. I don't believe this was what this was about. Nope, I don't.

Someone funds the group that paid for her and a male heckler to be there. IMO, it was Koch money through a front group.

The male with her first heckled Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, had intimidated her into silence as he went on, until Secret Service agents pointed at him. Meaning they might have taken him into custody. So he shut up.

Immediately Sturtz yelled that he should be allowed to speak. I've seen this tactic used to take over things and shut others up in the name of freedom of speech, but only for the people crashing meetings.

They are oblivious to the rights of others in the Commons. They walk into places with a sense of entitlement that is aggressive. This sounds like the woman backing up the Infowars nutnik in Boston, too. They came to start a ruckus at Democratic fundraiser and get publicity and most likely aren't Democrats.

I've seen this before, it's worse when there it's a open house, where everyone is welcome to come and eat for free or donate if they want to. It is a time for people to discuss what is going right and wrong in their area, and talk to the representatives of the district and find out how bills are progressing or not to address their needs.

These are loosely run meetings, and like many liberal functions, are vulnerable to disruptors. When you have one going, the Libertarians and LaRouchies show up and try to take over the meeting and overpower people trying to answer questions. It has a chilling effect on discourse outside the parameters they are demanding the conversation take place, which is completely derailed. They are the real life version of trolls on the internet who want to shut up all liberal and progressive voices.

They disrespect everyone that has taken the time out of their lives to come and act together, and huff and puff if they don't get their way. They act like the gun owners parading with rifles at gun control meetings to scare people off, or how Tea Partiers shouted down and threatened both representatives and citizens over the ACA. In those cases, they photographed their faces and license plates and they even followed the citizens home.

This is brownshirt fascism and it's happening cross country and they, the disruptors, are doing more harm to freedom of speech by running others out of the public square designed to intimidate peaceful, concerned citizens from civic involvement.

Obama immediately signed many EO's as soon as he was sworn into office in 2009, to overturn those written by Bush. To yell for these in a meeting and not go through the process of making law is just baiting. And in this case, using media to generate another faux talking point off the Sequester, the good that Obama has done, and all Michelle and the administration are working on. It's red meat for the FRW and FLW NJs and a way to demoralize the rest of us.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #182)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:05 PM

195. Agreed. It wasn't to get any message out. What message? Nobody even HEARD them but

Debbie and Michelle. Worst fucking protesters EVER. Fox News sure as fuck loves 'em today tho. Gave them a great excuse to rag on the African American First Lady and the Jewish head of the DNC. Because you know those fundamentalists only love Israel because of end-time prophecy.

And BTW, if Michelle is anything like me, her protective instincts undoubtedly got stirred up when the first guy heckled Debbie.

Thankfully, this will not have a chilling effect on President Obama's support for full civil rights for LGBTs. Or Michelle's and Debbie's. Or the Democratic Party's.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #195)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:31 PM

229. I'm sure this will not have a chilling effect on anyone's support for LGBT's. That's about all of us

Anyone who has read the DNC platform, watched all that the convention said about rights for all, no matter if popular or not, won't be fooled or swayed.

Anyone who has watched and read of Obama's support for LGBT's, women, children, immigrants, the disabled and all Americans, including those who hate him, knows that he is a man of principle and knows the Constitution very well. And that he has changed the laws.

His haters know that too. As far as Fox and RWers, they will be the ones spinning this against LGBT's, not Democrats. Our party record and platform is clear, so the ones who strive to instigate division among us are not part of us, pure and simple.

Those who are working to divide the American people from each other will not win, history is against RWers.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #229)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:44 PM

233. Perfectly said. nt

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Response to freshwest (Reply #182)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:08 PM

196. It's troubling how the internet, including the DU, helps A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G like that out. People act

as though anyone who disagrees with them is absolutely an authentic person who hates LGBT, or is racist, or misogynistic, or opposes the 1st Amendment, or hates the Obamas, or whatever suits their characterization of their issue opponents.

So, even if what you describe, freshwest, isn't relevant to a given instance, . . . . because it gets treated as though it is - BY GOD KNOWS WHO (since most of us a posting under pseudonyms) that's what it becomes, in some cases unintentionally, in other cases with full intentionality.

I don't understand why so many people are acting as though everyone here, or elsewhere on the internet, is in fact who/what they say they are. Trolling REALLY isn't that hard. It seems so obvious to me that you shouldn't 100% believe whatever ANYONE presents themselves as, so it really makes me wonder even more why all Obama, or LGBT, supporters are assumed to in fact be Obama, or LGBT, supporters (or any of the other issue groups) and that is assumed especially if they disagree about something like heckling, or say something hateful about anyone, or if they say something really stupid. There are people who jump in and really cheer lead without even mentioning any other possibilities and we're on the FUCKING INTERNET, so what the hell gives here???

We go through what could, to a very significant proportion, be propaganda theater on this board over and over again. And no one wants to call anyone else out on the likelihood of these highly erroneous assumptions, because that wouldn't look good to whichever group s/he identifies with.

It's very depressing, maybe even hopeless, so perhaps I should re-consider my support here.

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Response to patrice (Reply #196)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:18 PM

243. Well, I understand that. I don't take this place very serious anymore for that reason.

Those who have not paid attention or had an open mind to the first couple and their initiatives, well, they won't start listening now and they've made up their minds the USA is done and over with.

Constant negativity is a version of being clever and cynicism means you can never be found wrong or made mistake, since the cynic never tries anything. But has never done anything in the end, but support the status quo.

It's a good thing the future doesn't count on them, because the future has the young people we've seen being helped. These are the people are oppressed, whose survival is at stake, who they don't want to die or live miserable lives. They have the will to live and change.

The ones those who do the most snarking and attacking haven't got time for learning their needs and wants and hopes. They just don't rise to the level of gravity for them, they don't meet the patterns they find important and meaningful. So they are living in the dead past and will not be changing the world, standing aside and tossing acid at others.

They think the world and our democratic hopes are dead as they do not match up to their old visions. It reminds me of the GOP and their hysteria over changes by people they do not know and do not think can run this nation.

And they have enough time on their hands to agitate others with the bogeymen of the past. We can learn from the past, we must learn how things got how they are, but not to feel defeated. Such things can lend color and depth to our understanding. We seek patterns that are familiar, but those who are transitioning to changes with open minds are figuring out new ways to make things work.

The ones who are changing things don't need our fears. They will be defining and refining their purposes and their hearts. When I look at all these recent disasters and how people are identifying with those across the country and the world, instead of tearing down and dividing, I know that Americans are much more united and willing to work together than some people here.

We have a mixed group and I now seek to meet like minds. I am a work in progress. When I see some are stuck in their ways as I work to change my own, that is for them. I am for keeping to what works, respecting what is great that was done before, but still see great things ahead.

As far as DU, the ratfuckers can only fool those who don't have a sense of history, instead have been taken in by a slick version of history that tells them to give up and run away. Independence is one thing, giving up and then putting down others is another.

We have a mixed group, and some of our new posters are great people, just as some of our old posters are. Some will keep on shooting others down, won't see the big picture. That's their unhappiness that I won't join.

I'm glad you are here, patrice, you have a deep mind. You have learned certain disciplines I find fascinating, but I don't always understand them. See you later.

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Response to patrice (Reply #94)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:08 PM

241. This ^^^^

And why don't we all go and interrupt speeches? We can keep those big shots from ever saying a word. Let's just all go and yell at them from the audience. It can be a cacophony of yelling, all of us demanding Executive orders.

The President should immediately sign an EO allowing all immigrants to be citizens! He should sign another one nationalizing the banks! And another one creating the death penalty for rape! Another one promising Julian Assange he will never be prosecuted by the USA! Another one stopping the war in Syria! That no Chinese imports be allowed! No more H-1Bs! No more pollution! Raise taxes on corporations now! Don't wait for Congress!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:09 PM

96. because white politicians never get heckled?

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Response to frylock (Reply #96)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:27 PM

107. No, but then you don't have lilly-white 'progressives' whining

about how Michelle Obama was "aggressive" for having the temerity to talk back to a white woman.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57587731/michelle-obama-confronts-heckler-at-fundraiser/

In an interview, Sturtz told the Washington Post, that she was stunned by the first lady's response to her heckling.


"She came right down in my face," Sturtz told the Post. "I was taken aback."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/michelle-obama-protester_n_3386874.html

One was Autumn Leaf, 22, who interrupted DNC Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s (D-Fla.) speech beforehand, also calling for the executive order.

Leaf said Wasserman Schultz replied that the way to get ENDA passed was to help Democrats retake the House.

He said he was “disappointed” in Obama’s reaction to Sturtz and surprised she “approached Ellen as aggressively as she did.”


"Oh heavens, that Negro lady talked back to us. I've never had that happen before. Didn't she see The Help?"



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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #107)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:34 PM

115. Chris Christie: Forceful and direct. Michelle Obama: Aggressive

The dog whistling is plain as day.

The white man calls people names and gets a positive spin. The black woman, despite an abundance of tact, induces fear and concern.

Never mind that the heckler didn't have the backbone to at least OWN her disruption.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #115)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:55 PM

131. Yup

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #115)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:43 PM

149. The disrespect of the Obamas by (some) progressives goes back to day one.

I remember when that Hillary supporter freaked out and called then Sen. Obama an "inadequate black male".








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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #115)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:46 PM

150. Nailed it. nt

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Response to frylock (Reply #96)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:34 PM

114. They haven't been heckled nearly as much as the Obamas. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #114)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:54 PM

129. do you have a scorecard?

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Response to frylock (Reply #129)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:35 PM

148. It's really not that hard to notice the difference without keeping one. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #148)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:56 PM

152. it's really not that difficult to differentiate between dissatisfied liberals and racists either..

yet those comparisons are made daily here at this "progressive" website.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:24 PM

105. Well done, FLOTUS...



Sid

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:30 PM

109. I'm right with you MrScorpio

I have had it with hecklers and I love the way Michelle Obama handled it.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:32 PM

111. K&R

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:33 PM

112. Why in the world would she heckle someone who is supporting gay rights?

It would seem to me, she should be heckling all of the republicans who have opposed gay rights.

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Response to DrewFlorida (Reply #112)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:36 PM

117. Because she couldn't stand the idea of the spotlight going to the black communtiy for even one day

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Response to TekGryphon (Reply #117)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:55 PM

130. why do you latinos?

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Response to TekGryphon (Reply #117)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:53 PM

323. The GOP can't even stand that the black community exists and work to eliminate that fact:

You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.

~ Tom Baker

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:39 PM

118. Good for the First Lady. People came to hear the FL give a talk

not for someoone to continuously try and interrupt and take over the meeting.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:39 PM

119. Cheering the puppets

 

Because it isn't how you say it, it is where you say it?
Yeah how is that bank prosecution going?
Defending the Obama family is awesome. Where is the meat?
Seems to me I was promised that Obama would be so much better than Mittens. I haven't seen much change from W.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:00 PM

133. Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!! I behaved like a shithead and got called on it!!! Waaaaaaaaah!!! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #133)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:32 PM

147. If you act like a jerk, you'll get treated like a jerk.

I used to remind my kids of that. Seems to be quite true.

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Response to calimary (Reply #147)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:29 PM

228. Yep, and she should have been better prepared.

Michelle offered her the mic, but it seems she didn't have much to say. I've attended several protests in my life (several were not political) and I was always prepared.

The woman was made a fool of.

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Response to RiffRandell (Reply #228)

Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:13 PM

348. And she risked alienating people who would otherwise be sympathetic to her cause.

I mean, REALLY! THIS President, over and above all the others in American history, has singlehandedly done more to advance gay rights than ANY of his predecessors. And they STILL have a bone to pick with him?????????? Forcryingoutloud!!! She should have been giving grief where it was deserved: the republi-CON obstructionists who insist on standing in the way of progress and enlightenment.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:05 PM

135. Action /reaction

cause and effect.

No doubt Sturtz thought out all probable scenarios leading to an inevitable exit via escort. All eyes on the heckler protester what have you.
But having the table reversed did not prefigure.
kind of like a surprise counter attack initiated to the order of the immediate, the thing that cannot possibly happen.

Disruptor's disrupt in public places -they go off on crazy rants and people as a rule just watch. Eventually someone from the establishment will deal with it. People just watch and wait for it to be dealt with somehow by somebody.

Make no mistake the first ladies time is valuable and the heckler was wasting valuable time.
The point to it was staying involved -get involved ,remain involved. Do something other than wait and watch.

When they insisted that the first lady stay and continue-thats getting involved actively.They took back what theirs in time.

Cause and effect.

Can't' confront all those hecklers that way- and yea,that was good !
The table was turned perfectly on the heckler,protester what have you. and the point was put across perfectly-get involved -stay involved -be more than just a spectator.


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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:06 PM

137. I wrote this before--Sturtz paid $500 to have her ass handed to her. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #137)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:13 PM

329. I hope the organizers write a check and send her money back to her. I have a

suggestion as to where she can shove it once she cashes the check.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:15 PM

139. Maybe someone who has heckled can clear something up for me...

what IS the reaction you're trying to get when you heckle someone?? Isn't a confrontation from the "hecklee" what you are going for? Why was this person "taken aback" by Michele Obama's reaction?

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Response to mindfulNJ (Reply #139)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:42 PM

320. Because heckling is meant to intimidate, not inform. To degrade, not discuss.

Nothing but shamed submission would have been the proper answer for a heckler. Although I have never heckled, as it's not effective in the long run. It's a cheap thrill many are addicted to and they want to see drama.



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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:25 PM

144. Michelle 1, Heckler 0

Heckler didn't make no sense anyway.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:54 PM

155. Why didn't she take the microphone ? how did she want/expect Michelle to react

to her ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #155)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:03 AM

334. There's no expectation of it, but maybe with some class? It's not the "Houswives of Washington DC."

But The First Lady admits she's just no good at being interrupted (and who is, Mr. President?) and the Heckler was just a run-of-the-mill lesbian, so, whatever. Just verbally knock the woman around some more, even though Michelle Obama--with perfect technique-- herself already did a masterful job of turning the room against the heckler.








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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:06 PM

158. Heckler was the rude one

Ms. Obama was there to give a speech. Everyone should respect her time while she is giving the speech. Then if they want to talk, they can. It is just plain old fashioned good manners. When I see someone acting rude or being a bore, like sitting next to you talking on their phone at a concert, they know they are rude but will try to get away with it as long as the people around them try to be nice and not speak up. Ms. Obama did exactly the right thing and called out this rude woman.


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Response to dem in texas (Reply #158)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:43 PM

321. +1

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:52 PM

164. Good on Michelle!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:59 PM

167. I actually think threatening to leave a group of people who had paid to see you because

of the bad behavior of one person is ... rude.

Yes, Michelle should have called the heckler on her behavior.

But threatening to leave? Petty. Not classy.

I admire Michelle Obama, but this seemed like she was scolding a roomful of kindergartners.

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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #167)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:45 PM

174. I am going to turn this car around RIGHT Now! That is how mom's have dealt with childess behavior.

....for generations. And it was probably I am going to turn this buggy arouund! For ages before that.

Amazing that a spoiled brat heckler expected to be treated with respect when she brought none.

If you are shouting people tune you out. It is that simple.

She is not a hero. The heckler...all hecklers are attention hounds.

They help no cause.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #174)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:23 PM

203. Everyone deserves respect. Everyone. Even assholes.

And I'm not kidding on this.

It is harder to treat someone who is being disrespectful with respect, but that's the best way to behave in all circumstances, unless, of course, your physical safety is threatened.

Otherwise, do unto others.

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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #203)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:02 PM

223. Disipline and reminders of what is acceptable behavior IS respect.

You do NOT let poor behavior from a rude person destroy the experience for everyone.

Again. No one listens to someone who is shouting.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #223)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:38 PM

232. but that's what Michelle was going to do. Let poor behavoir spoil it for everyone.

Right. Remind Sturtz what is acceptable. But don't threaten to leave simply because someone else is behaving badly.

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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #232)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:53 PM

234. She wasn't really going to leave. That was a Mom ploy.

I am going to turn this car around right NOW!

When in the history of time has a car ACTUALLY been turned around?

It is a signal for the cooler heads of the group to cool things down.

Because...yeah Mom's pissed.




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Response to alphafemale (Reply #234)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:33 PM

317. Not only that, she offered her the mike to say her piece. No, this was a stunt, not advocacy.

She came to diss the First Lady, just like the guy in the Rose Garden interupted Obama out of his sense of privilege.

Just like Nugent calls Obama names and says he'll kill him. Just like the Repuke who yelled 'liar' at Obama while giving the SOTU. Just like Libertarians and Teabaggers who call him an illegitimate president.

When they aren't calling him the Anti-Christ. And it is racial on their part, I know it, since I've argued with them for years. None of what the right has put out is in a vacuum and it's all being used on low-information voters on the Right and the Left.


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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #203)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:28 AM

285. In my world, respect must be earned.

If you wish to accord it to everyone ... teabaggers, racists, homophobes, Limbaughs, etc, by virtue of their mere existence; I suppose that's your prerogative.

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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #167)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:46 PM

175. It wasn't a serious threat--it was a signal to the people hosting

the event to have the escort booted out of the building.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #175)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:25 PM

204. Really? Then why not simply say so? Ask for the disruptor to either wait

until she was finished, and respect all those who were there to hear her, or leave?

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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #167)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:28 PM

186. The only person that Mrs. O could have been possibly "rude" to was the heckler.

Because, judging from the crowd reaction, they were quite pleased by the First Lady's response.

Frankly, I think that it's ridiculous that some people are putting this Sturtz person on equal footing with Michelle Obama.

With the exception of Sturtz herself, not one person in that room paid a thin dime to hear her open her pie hole out of turn.

I see that you didn't like the fact that Mrs. Obama threatened to leave had Sturtz took the First Lady's offer to take the mic. But again, judging from the crowd reaction, it's quite clear that one of these women had a finger on that crowd's pulse, while other misjudged both the crowd AND the person that they were dealing with.

I'm sure that Michelle Obama's very first thought was that she had neither the time or patience to deal with some usurping loudmouth. Right after she told Sturtz to take the mic, the crowd on the other hand made damn sure to express their feelings that Mrs. Obama came correct.

Sturtz was outclassed and out-thunked in a heartbeat by Michelle. Whether she took the mic as offered or declined to take it, as she did, Sturtz was in a thoroughly lose-lose position.

On the bright side, however, her foolishness got her name in the paper. But, mostly because of the fact that she looked like a complete idiot.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #186)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:28 PM

208. Had Michelle actually left, it would have been ridiculous.

Threatening to leave is on par with saying she's going to take her marbles and go home. "Choose me, or I'm leaving".

Just struck me as the way people deal with children.

We're all equal, and while Sturtz was inappropriate and behaved badly and has ultimately ended up looking like a fool, she is MO's equal. WE ALL ARE. And I don't think MO or BO would like to think, or project to the public, otherwise.

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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #208)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:46 PM

221. Are you saying that Sturtz had just as much a right to that mic as Michelle Obama?

Within the context that you're making that both Sturtz and the First Lady are equals, could it be that your point is "yes?"

Now who, other than Sturtz herself in that room, paid money to listen to her confront the First Lady?

When Michelle offered the mic and offered Sturtz the floor, I would think that you would have thought the invitation to her equal was quite appropriate.

But you're objecting to the First Lady giving Sturtz that particular opportunity to state her own case in front of that crowd.

The crowd, on the other hand, escorted Sturtz out the door and voiced their support of Michelle Obama to stay and continue her presentation.

What about them?

The only person in that room was that was childish was that selfish brat of a person, Ellen Sturtz.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #221)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:36 PM

230. No, I'm not saying that. Not even remotely.

But in your first response you seemed to imply that Michelle deserved more respect than Sturtz, and I'm saying as human beings, that's not accurate.

There's a time and place for everything. Sturtz has a right to heckle, and accept the consequences (which is to be removed from a private setting). Free speech does have its boundaries and limitations. I'm saying that Michelle's "choose me or I leave" message struck the wrong chord with me. It's the way many adults deal with children. I don't like it when adults treat kids that way, and I don't think adults should be treated that way, either.

Everything else I have no issue with. Michelle didn't need to threaten to leave to handle the heckler. Michelle was saying if Sturtz spoke, she'd leave and wouldn't listen. And then everyone who came to see Michelle would have to suffer because of the actions of one bad actor.

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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #230)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:05 PM

239. If what you say is correct, why then did the crowd reward Michelle with a return to the podium?

Who in that room had time to coddle an insolent heckler?

Not certainly Michelle Obama, who made it abundantly clear to both Sturtz and the crowd that she DIDN'T have time to deal with any of that crap.

Sturtz acted a fool and was appropriately dressed down by Michelle Obama. She obviously didn't think her actions, to interrupt and shout slogans, through.

The basic reason, perhaps, that Michelle dismissed her as one would treat a child was that Sturtz was acting childishly.

I don't blame the First Lady one bit. Her move was brilliantly played.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #239)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:49 PM

305. Then let's just disagree. I don't think it was brilliant. But that makes me no less an

extremely progressive Democrat.

I don't think she walks on water or is infallible, and while I think challenging Sturtz was the right thing to do, the way she did it, as I said, struck me as punitive.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:04 PM

168. Thumbs UP for Michelle!!! nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:54 PM

178. In other words, she's saying Mrs. Obama was "uppity." n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:57 PM

179. “She came right down in my face,” Sturtz said. “I was taken aback.”

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Response to BklnDem75 (Reply #179)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:20 PM

183. Oh the Irony!

April @ReignOfApril

Ellen Sturtz goes to heckle @FLOTUS in a private home & then describes the crowd's response as "unsettling & disturbing." Girl, bye.

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/05/rise-and-shine-520/

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:25 PM

185. Michelle Obama would not have done well in the time of the Lincoln

presidency. Not because of slavery, but because the president, etc., was verbally challenged as Ms. Sturz did Ms. Obama more frequently.

I think that Ms. Obama should learn how to deal with dissent and protestors in her audience before she gives another speech.

The President does it well. Michelle Obama should ask him to teach her how he does it.

I don't think she came away from that minor protest with as much respect as she had before. To appear and be heard is the right of every American. And if politicians can't respect that right, and deal with people who have no adequate way to communicate with them other than interrupting a speech, maybe they have chosen the wrong profession.

The Lincoln/Douglas debates are an excellent example of speeches that were frequently interrupted in what some would now consider a discourteous way. It's in the transcript in one of the books I have. Unfortunately, today, politicians are less tolerant of interaction with the ordinary folk.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #185)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:39 PM

187. There was no "debate" between Michelle Obama and Sturtz

No one in that room, with the exception of Sturtz herself, was there to listen to her open her pie hole out of turn about a subject that wasn't even the topic of discussion. The crowd itself made that point obvious.

If Sturtz wanted to be heard, she should have brought her own mic and got her own crowd to pay money for HER time, instead of trying to upstage Michelle Obama with her silly antics.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #185)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:41 PM

188. "Mrs. Obama should learn" "ask him how to teach her", "ordinary folk"

Methinks someone thinks the First Lady of the United States is a little uppity and needs some learnin'.

Dogwhistles and condescension.

I love how people selectively ignore that the FLOTUS has come from humble beginnings and frequently reminds audiences of that fact.

But I guess it's easier to take potshots when one can pretend she's above the little people and loving it. It creates a target.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #188)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:25 AM

261. The President is a master at handling hecklers.

I'm surprised that Michelle Obama lost her cool. She is usually more poised than that. Poise is not a matter of family wealth. Some of the least poised people are wealthy. Think about Donald Trump. A socially awkward person if I ever saw one.

Ms. Obama is normally very poised and handles situations very well. I wonder why she lost her cool. It's a shame.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #185)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:49 PM

189. I'm missing what she did wrong.

Honestly, I am perplexed. And, you really may have a point I am overlooking. What was Ms. Obama supposed to do?

Let's say I invite the first lady to speak an event. It's a fundraiser for a cause we both support. And, then we send out invitations for other like minded individuals to attend. One person, comes to the event, for no other purpose other than to disrupt the event.

What was Ms. Obama supposed to do, exactly? Did the one person, who did not come to hear her speak, somehow have more rights than everyone else in the room at the moment?

I get the fact that she had important rights that were being denied. But, her rights were not being denied by Ms. Obama.

It's almost like having the guy across the street slap you, and to make sure your angst is understood, you slap the neighbor who offers to help you up.

What should the first lady have done? She did not know this lady. Should she have simply stood there, quietly and listened. How long would have been long enough? 5 minutes...10 minutes. How would you know?

Most hecklers I have seen don't have a prepared speech. They have a few lines that they repeat over and over again. So, is that it? She should have stopped everything and the entire audience should have listened to her repeat one or two lines over and over again. Forget the event. Forget the discussion of poor children. Poverty. It seems to be the one topic that we never ever discuss. And it couldn't even have that event.

What would have been exactly the right thing for her to have done that would have been well received? And, honestly, you may know. I do not. I thought her response was fine. But, clearly I'm not seeing a full enough picture. I don't mind the debate. I'm willing to learn.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #189)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:30 AM

263. Obama has handled these situations masterfully in many instances.

First rule, agree with the host ahead of time on how to react if there is a heckler. Ask the host to take charge. Don't take charge yourself. Perhaps Michelle Obama would have been wise to just allow the heckler to heckle until the audience handled the heckler itself.

I attended a meeting with my congressman. We were encouraged to ask questions and one man just went on and on and heckled. My congressman just waited. The crowd took care of the heckler. Had Michelle Obama waited a bit, the audience at the event would have silenced the heckler. A politician or a surrogate for a politician should never show impatience with hecklers or dissidents. It really is not a part of the politician's or politician's wife's or other surrogate's role to silence hecklers in any discourteous way.

I am normally a big fan of Michelle Obama, in fact one of her best fans. She is a beautiful, wonderful woman. But she messed up here. I hope she handles these situations better in the future. She will meet up with them more than once. Maybe it was just a bad day. She is normally a lovely, patient woman.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #263)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:06 AM

274. Thanks for the reply.

I am pretty sure I answered another one of your posts hotly because this incident Has really got my temper up.

I disagree, but I understand your point. I think.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:56 PM

191. One rule many Hecklers seem to forget.

"Put UP or Shut Up". Most of the time the one being heckled will just let security handle it. But one MUST be ready when the heckled gets down and meet you tow to tow.

It happens. Can't take it, don't heckle.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:14 PM

198. You just don't get it.

She acted like a spoiled brat.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #198)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:16 PM

199. Who acted like a spoiled brat?

And how?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #199)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:19 PM

201. Mrs. Obama was a spoiled brat in responding.

That is why people are annoyed. It is exactly the same as the "you people" comment from Ann Romney. Very pathetic.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #201)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:22 PM

202. The only person acting like a spoiled brat was the idiot heckler..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #202)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:25 PM

205. Wanting equality is never spoiled. Sorry.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #205)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:44 PM

218. The heckler was rude

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Response to HipChick (Reply #218)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:46 PM

220. She was rude as well.

She acted like a spoiled brat by threatening to leave if the crowd didn't get behind her and shun the other woman's voice.

Frankly I find that much more damaging than interrupting a speech.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #220)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:10 PM

224. The audience did not pay $500 to hear a disruptor and they would have made that known regardless.

And wanting to hear the person you came to hear rather than a disruptor is not equivalent to or symbolic of silencing the voices of people who are fighting for their rights.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #224)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:14 AM

260. Just because a majority doesn't like

What a minority says, does not mean the statement that was said is any less valid. Please see this post for my assessment of the situation. As it is long, I don't think pasting it here would be a good idea for sanity's sake...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022950046#post255

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Response to Fearless (Reply #201)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:30 PM

210. That's ridiculous.

It was none of the kind.

Who in that room, other than that idiot Heckler herself, paid to listen to her open her pie hole while Michelle Obama was in the middle of a presentation about needy kids?

What about the children… who in that room was thinking about them?

Sturtz made a fool of herself and she was promptly escorted out.

I don't have to defend Michelle Obama, she did just fine.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #210)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:36 PM

214. You still seem to feel the need to however?

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Response to Fearless (Reply #214)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:48 PM

222. Are you angry at Michelle Obama?

And, if so, why?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #222)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:58 AM

255. I am disappointed with her response to the protester

Primarily, I am disappointed with Michelle Obama's response to the protester

This is because her comment comes across as both belittling and holier-than-thou. She attempted to, intentionally or unintentionally, use peer pressure to verbally bully another human being into silence by threatening the guests that she would leave if the person did not be quiet. Her comments come across as very belittling of the issue the protester had and thereby also of an entire group of people.

As you may well have seen today, the LGBT population of this nation (and certainly of DU) is wary to believe in or otherwise trust political figures (and she is a political figure, whether by title or association it doesn't matter). This is because we have been heavily targeted by politicians in the last century as objects of evil and sin, as political tools to spread conservatism, and generally as aberrant citizens.

Now, as we are gaining ground and have won several important (albeit small) victories towards equality, it is extremely vexing to see someone, who thus far has seemed to be passively accepting of LGBT people (ie. neither ardent supporter nor detractor), act in such a way. It is disheartening to see that someone in her position, whom we have come to trust to some extent, respond, intentionally or otherwise, using peer pressure to silence an LGBTer.

Why is this particular moment important? It is because it wasn't planned. It was a gut reaction. When challenged on LGBT equality, rightfully or improperly timed as it may be, she responds contemptuously and wholly without regard or respect for the issue at hand but rather the opposite. She responds like we would expect a Republican to respond.

Had she dismissed the issue simply and kindly or sought to actually point out her support for LGBT issues, would have made this a complete non-issue. To AT ALL vocalize support of LGBT issues in that moment, as a gut reaction, she would have come across strongly to the LGBT community. But in that second, she reacted very negatively. When you look at that reaction through the lens of LGBTers experience with politicians, you ignite anger and frustration. LGBTers feel betrayed by someone who has in the least been a passively positive supporter of LGBT equality. It is, essentially, a giant slap in the face.

By demonizing the protester, she demonizes all those people, and there are millions of us, who feel EXACTLY the same frustration the protester feels that caused the protester to act in the way she. We are frustrated that in the 21st century we are still being judged by our innate characteristics instead of by our contributions. It is maddeningly frustrating to see and be a part of the 2008 and 2012 elections, to witness a giant step towards racial equality, and yet to be left behind by an administration that has not moved quickly enough on LGBT issues.

Many suggest that the Obama administration has been the most LGBT-friendly administration in history. And they're right. It has. But, we share a common ground with the Obama's. We both know hate and intolerance. We've both fought the same battles, often together, to bring equality into being. The president and indeed Mrs. Obama are both intelligent, experienced individuals. Both know what inequality means in this country still to this day. And both could be doing so much more because of that knowledge to further social equality in this nation. Have they done more than any president in the past for LGBTers? Again, yes. But with their understanding, with their roots in social movements in their youth, they could do SO much more, but haven't. They have not used their privileged knowledge of inequality to the best of their abilities to affect lasting meaningful change. In much the same way that you applaud a "C" student for getting a "B" on a test whereas you would suggest that a perennial "A" student should try harder if they only achieve a "B" on the same test, I believe the Obama's should be held to a higher standard than average wealthy WASP administrations because they KNOW what inequality is. They are not ignorant of the fact. They have experienced it first hand working in Chicago. There is a different standard they must be held to, because they are able to do more. They both simultaneously do more than any previous administration and fail to do enough because of that standard and the expectations that can be had of them based on their understanding of social inequality.

So take all this in and understand all the hate, violence, intolerance, and disrespect we've been dealt as a group for generations and see it being perpetuated by someone we had come to see as an ally and we can't help but feel betrayed.

I hope that helps,
-Fearless

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Response to Fearless (Reply #255)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:46 AM

269. You know, I've seen loads of bullshit shoveled on DU before, but this takes the cake

The First Lady didn't have the time nor patience to kiss the lilly white ass of some screaming sob sister when she was trying to make an important point about needy kids.

But, obviously here, those kids and all the people who paid their money listen to the Michelle Obama just had to take the backseat to an interrupting person who had every right, in your esteemed opinion, to go all off subject with an issue that wasn't even in the conversation at all.

Now at what point did Michelle Obama tell Ellen Sturtz that she was dismissing the needs of LGBT rights… When she offered that slogan shouting person the mic and the podium?

Perhaps you can inform me on how Michelle Obama could have solved Sturtz's concern as she was being interrupted in mid sentence and shouted at?

But no, everything has be dropped, no matter what the other important subject is and the First Lady was required to take the time to address some person who's screaming at her. Nothing else matters, I imagine.

Michelle Obama didn't disrespect all LGBT people by offering Sturtz the floor and you know it. There are quite a few other LGBT people around here who have said that as much.

But maybe the next time when Michelle Obama wants to give a speech about childhood obesity, gun violence, poverty, nutrition or sports to a paying crowd, she can pencil in a spot for the next off-topic heckler for equal time. Especially if it's an off-topic subject that you're so fervently concerned about at the time… Or at all times with the exclusion of everything else.

Would that help?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #269)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:02 AM

270. Alright let's take this item by item...

1) If everyone was so enamored by the starving children you mention, you'd think that the millionaires in that crowd would throw a few hundred thousand dollars in their direction at least. No? In reality, they're present because Michelle is a relevant social icon. People are attracted to that. Otherwise, why have her speak?

2) The outburst by the protester is not what is up for debate here. I have not stated that it wasn't ill-timed or ineffective. This is a debate talking about her response to that outburst. I have detailed for you exactly why it is offensive. If you don't agree, that's your prerogative, but I am as equally entitled to my opinions as you are. Likewise, I have considerably more experience in LGBT politics than you do.

3) The outburst wasn't about solving the problem at that exact second. It was about providing a voice to an issue that NEEDS to be addressed. Again I direct you back to my statement on whether it was effective or not.

4) By attempting to use peer pressure as a means to control discourse in the room, she is dismissing the issue. All she needed to say is, "This is an important issue, I agree with you, but right now I'm here to speak about XYZ." Not spout off holier-than-thou attempts at peer pressure.

5) She did not actually offer her the floor. That was a call out. She was using peer pressure to shut someone up. Do you honestly think she would have handed her the mike?

6)Citing "other LGBTers" as evidence of me being incorrect is a faulty argument. No quantity of people supporting your opinions will dictate that my point of view is incorrect. And conversely the opposite is true as well. To debate a point of view, you need facts not the mention of opinions.

7)Why is a member of the Billionaires for Weathcare (for instance) considered a protester and yet this woman is considered a heckler? They both spoke up at paid events for other topics. Yet, we laud one and abuse the other? Why is that?

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Response to Fearless (Reply #270)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:09 AM

275. Oh, I see…

Of course, the behavior of Ms. Sturtz is up for scrutiny here… She was the one who started it by interrupting the First Lady in mid-sentence with loud-mouthed slogans of an off-topic nature.

Had Mrs. Obama gotten the chance to address Ms. Sturtz's off-topic concerns between, you know… Ms. Sturtz's loud mouthed sloganeering, do you think that Ms. Sturtz would have taken the opportunity to accept the response by the First Lady, as you've suggested, and just shut the fuck up for a second?

I really doubt that such a thought would have occurred to Ms. Sturtz, as she was in the midst of making a spectacle of herself in a crowded room. Great way to garner free publicity for one's previously little known organization, is it not?

Do you really think that that was good way to for Sturtz to state her case? I don't. That's a pretty piss-poor way for Sturtz to show respect for her own concerns, isn't that freakingly obvious here?

Mrs. Obama went down there to where Ms. Sturtz was loudly sloganeering and told the lady that she could have the floor. Ms. Sturtz was then disturbed by the fact that the First Lady of the United States (That's who we're talking about here), turned the tables on her ass with a supportive crowd backing her up.

“She came right down in my face,” Sturtz said. “I was taken aback.”


Well, boo-fucking hoo. Sorry, Ms. Sturtz, but you are WAY out of your league here.

And, yes… If Ms. Sturtz had taken the mic from the First Lady as offered (I really do think that she would have handed it her, she said as much), then Ms. Sturtz would have had to contend with a crowd that wasn't there to listen her loud-mouthed sloganeering in the first place.

It's nice to know that you believe that everything else that the Obama White House and the First Lady has to deal with in this world at any particular time actually has to take a backseat to your own interests… I figure that's just your way of informing me that you don't believe that they're capable of handling more than one thing at a time.

But it's a well worn axiom that opinions are just like assholes, everyone has one… I just think that yours sucks in this particular case.

But it's pretty clear to me that Ellen Sturtz wasn't doing anyone any favors by being an interrupting jerk about it.

Michelle Obama and the crowd that she was addressing made it perfectly clear that it was not the time nor the place for Ms. Sturtz to act foolish. And if you think that taking the moment out to coddle Ms. Sturtz and her loud-mouthed slogans would have been such a great move, then it's really hard for me to understand why that such a reply could have helped the needs of LGBT rights in the long run.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #275)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:24 PM

292. Thank you for taking the time to restate your opinions

However, I did understand them the first time and they really don't answer or rebut any of the statements I made in the previous post. I will assume the discussion is over?

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Response to Fearless (Reply #201)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:34 PM

213. LOL! The name calling never stops. It's all good though, right? Just Michelle Obama.

Absolutely no reason to say anything but BAAAD things about HER!!

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #213)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:37 PM

215. If she does bad things

Then they should be spoken about. Yes. I am not name-calling. It is acting like a brat to act like she did.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #215)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:41 PM

217. Talking about poor children and gun control has just got to STOP!!!!

Who does she think she fucking IS anyway, donating her TIME, raising MONEY to ELECT MORE DEMOCRATS???? THE MOTHERFUCKING HORROR OF IT ALL.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #217)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:44 PM

219. No. There is no monopoly on social issues.

It is perfectly possibly to be supportive of any or all of them.

She showed disrespect for LGBT people through her belittling of the heckler.

She acted like a brat.

This has nothing to do with why she was there or what they were raising money for. It has to do only with the comment she made and the belittling commentary she holier-than-thou uttered at the woman in question.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #219)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:17 PM

225. No, she did NOT

disrespect the LGBT community. She acknowledged the disruption of someone who interrupted her speech. That person happened to be a member of the LGBT community, and it could have been someone who represented any cause, be it pro-NRA, Right to Life, or anything else.

And here people are on these boards calling the First Lady of the United States a spoiled brat, who would likely become apoplectic if someone charged that they are disrespecting the African American community by name-calling the FLOTUS.

Double standards...

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #225)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:03 AM

257. No.

You're wrong.

I'm not saying she intentionally disrespected the LGBT community but did so as a knee-jerk reaction to a protester, which, frankly, may be worse.

See this post....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022950046#post255

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Response to Fearless (Reply #219)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:17 PM

226. I think you are wrong about that.

I think the person doing the brat'en is the one who as it turned out was most unwelcome.
The first lady showed tact and diplomacy in fact.
This unique reaction executed by the first lady brought all the folks together kind of like rebinding the seam.

The heckler was bent on unraveling the carpet whilst attempting to pull the floor out from under everybody.The hecklers rant was nothing more than a waste of valuable time ,time that was paid for by all those in attendance. Not to mention the first ladies time is valuable.
Since time is money as the saying goes the heckler was trying to rob all the other people of a time allotment. So,wut's a thief ?-The heckler wanted to bring the whole thing down-ruin it for all. It just takes one monkey to spoil the show.

But that didn't happen.
The heckler was offered the mic and the stage,but that didn't happen either. The reason that didn't happen is because the heckler in truth had nothing to say. It was all about grabbing head lines at the expense of everybody else.

So, wut's a brat >?

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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #226)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:06 AM

258. A protester is a heckler when you disagree with them.

Fun double standard, no?

Please see this post so that you can understand why what she did was inappropriate. If you choose to continue to suggest I'm wrong, you'll do so with a full understanding of the situation and not a disjointed ramble bearing no understanding of the mental processes of either person involved...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022950046#post255

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Response to Fearless (Reply #258)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:15 AM

271. No you are wrong.

The heckler was in the wrong place to pitch that one . (Somebodies back yard.)That heckler was also an intruder. The mental process yes- cause and effect . It was about publicity on the hecklers end of that.

Thats what I think.




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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #271)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:20 AM

272. The protester PAID to get in. They are no intruder.

I am not saying that it was an effective place to protest. I am saying that the response is what you would expect from bully pulpit Republicans and not worthy of the FLOTUS to this point.

And I can't be wrong in my previous post. I didn't assert anything other than opinion there.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #272)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:10 AM

276. I got that part about the heckler paid to be there.

And I get what you are on about. And yes indeed it was not the place -she said she just couldn't help it-. The heckler's response to the media about the ordeal is up on cnn. I read that too.

Reflecting back in 08 it was Michelle Obama who effectively reminded us all at the time the candidate is simply human, he will stumble along the way and make mistakes same as all human beings. She went on to say he is no superman .And she said everybody must pitch in to make change happen.

The point being ,do not expect more than there is.
Change is not forced it must be ushered in. It is not all about just sign it and be done with it.
The heckler grabbed a head line -it's there for all to see.She just couldn't help it, she was just about to burst. I don't buy that,-
But thats just my opinion.









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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #276)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:22 PM

291. I do not see how she could have been trying to "grab a headline"

When the party was private and no media was covering it.

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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #226)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:26 AM

335. Mrs. Obama said she would be headed out the door if the woman chose to speak.

"Me or thee." But you had to bring up the whole "brat" thing?

That worthless, time-wastin' lesbo. God damn her. Nothing to say. Priviliged gay gal with one too many rights for her own good. --None of it's fair, now is it?


"Whilst"? Really?

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Response to Fearless (Reply #219)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:04 AM

247. That's odd. I am a G in the LGBT community and don't feel MO disrespected me.

If anything, I feel more misrepresented by the heckler than Mrs. Obama's response.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #247)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:10 AM

259. It is indeed odd.

At least in comparison to the vast majority of LGBTers on DU this afternoon voicing their opinions regarding the issue.

I don't see why that's important however. It adds neither content nor discourse to the discussion at hand.

Just because you disagree doesn't make something more true or false.

Truth is highly subjective and tends to be written by the victor or lacking that, the one who yells the loudest or the fastest.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #217)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:48 AM

336. I may have to re-think this...

You mean to say that she was actually out there looking for Democratic politicians who will actually motherfucking vote for gun control?

That's a tall order. Us moho's had best shut up until that little project is completed.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:17 PM

200. I don't mind hecklers

I think they serve a purpose, however, in this situation, Flotus doesn't have the power to sign an executive order, that is the Potus job. Ellen Sturtz played herself.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:25 PM

207. Comments at Daily Beast are quite telling. Audio there, too.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:33 PM

212. Good.

As it should be. It ain't like she got a beat down for stepping out of the free speach zone. If your going to stand up in front of a group and disrupt a speaker, be prepared to be engaged. Or ignored. or ejected.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #212)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:38 PM

318. She was given a chance to engage like an adult with the mike. She refused. Publicity stunt.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #318)

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 06:18 AM

339. And the First Lady said that if the woman did indeed engage, she was going to head out the door.

Looks like the heckler thought better of it and took the high road.

Uhmp, why you got to be so negative?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:24 PM

227. Fist Bump !

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:55 PM

235. Amen.

Exactly. That kind of thing does nothing for any cause. Another person obsessed with the POTUS doing things instantly with the stroke of a pen. Get on Congress and the State Governors and Houses.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:44 AM

254. Sturtz's cause is good, but her tact/timing kinda sucks. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:28 AM

262. Michelle was not "rude".. she was polite. Audio clip at

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:50 AM

267. Indeed, kudos to her.

She shouldn't have to waste her beautiful mind being concerned with GLBT people that don't know their place.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #267)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:47 PM

304. Fuck that shit

inner City kids and their plight ARE deserving issues. Something that Michelle cares about and was addressing at that point in time. No one said anything about Michelle only having a one dimesional issue on her mind. The focus at that meeting was not gay rights and executive orders.

Your attempt to paint LGBT issues as the only one that matters...ever...every single time... are insanely shallow.

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