What is their plan to actually end abortion...?

[Bigmack]

I recognize that some people are deeply offended by abortion.

My question is... What is their plan to end abortion?

Make it illegal..? Puh-leeze. Marijuana is illegal, and that has done nothing to stem the flood of really good dope. The drugs that everybody recognizes as deadly are all illegal, and that hasn't stopped them.

Making something illegal in this country is no way to end it.

I've asked my question on several LTTE forums, and I get <...crickets...>

Anybody know what the plan is ..?

[Infomaniac]

1. Good Question

It's impossible to do so long as there are coat hangers.

[annabanana]

2. I have been beating this drum for awhile.

All women "of a certain age" remember the days before Roe vs Wade. There were suicides, back ally butchers, horrid septic deaths due to attempted self administered abortions....lye, coat hangers . .horrid, lonely sad sad deaths that didn't have to happen. Safe, legal abortions stopped that.

This is never ever added to the multitudinous discussions all over the airwaves.. Making it illegal won't stop it. It will just make it deadly.

[sufrommich]

6. I always fear that women who are not "of a certain" age

will grow complacent in their right to their own bodies, I hope this latest "lifting of the curtain" will convince young women that there are forces in this country who will always seek to subjugate women, always.

[renie408]

3. Plan? PLAN??? You don't need a PLAN! You just need to SAY NOT TO SEX!!

Since that worked so well with drugs, they are going to recycle it for abortion.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. It's not even about abortion. It's about punishing naughty women by making them have children.

[sufrommich]

7. Amen. nt

[kestrel91316]

23. [phone]

[jeff47]

25. +infinity

[hifiguy]

33. Correct. 'twas ever thus. nt.

[Yavin4]

35. And It's About Giving All Men Full Dominion Over All Women

Making abortion completely illegal means that any man can impregnate any fertile woman at any time, and that woman would then be forced to carry that child to term.

[AnnieBW]

5. What happens the day after abortion becomes illegal?

Have they thought about that? Have they thought about the consequences of thousands of babies being born to young and/or poor women who will need food assistance, medical care, jobs, day care, etc. to give this former fetus a decent life? Have they thought about how much that's going to strain the social safety net? Have they thought about the impact of more unwanted and abused children being dumped into the foster care system?

They need to do some second-order thinking about this.

[tsuki]

24. No, the pro-life group only protects from conception to birth. After

that, they throw the kid some boot straps, and then whine and complain about THEIR tax dollars.

You get to be a Holy-Moly and a real mean SOB at the same time.

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. Their "compassion" ends at birth.

[Javaman]

47. They will ignore how empty their lives are and then start a rally

trying to end women having any voice in society, missing entirely their own irony. (for the pro-life women that is), the pro-life men will continue with their halfwittery.

[baldguy]

8. Cameras in every uterus

[renie408]

10. But not cell phones. Cell phones are bad for fetuses. n/t

[uppityperson]

21. rofl

[Tx4obama]

9. Insurance covered and/or free birth control pills for ALL women = huge reduction of abortions. n/t

[thucythucy]

11. Chastity belts

for all menstruating females, with the keys held in trust by the local bishop until a man is duly appointed to impregnate said female.

Oh for the good old days of proper family values!

[TheMastersNemesis]

13. More True

Nothing could be more true. Women in the middle ages lived very controlled lives.

[Bigmack]

17. Keys held by a bishop..? I think not! The pregnancy rate would jump! nt

[Still Blue in PDX]

12. "They" don't want to end abortion. The existence of abortion gives "them" a big carrot to wave

in front of the Right-to-Life types (the sincere ones who really believe it and support adoption and women's and peoples' rights before and after birth) as well as the anti-choice hypocritical bigots.

It's just a wedge issue that garners a lot of votes for repuglicans. At least that's my perception.

[renie408]

14. That used to be conventional wisdom, but I am afraid that some of the people who have

managed to get a ticket to the show didn't get that memo. It looks like some of them actually think they really are supposed to be fighting abortion.

[Still Blue in PDX]

20. I don't think they'll be allowed to ever win, though.

Honestly? I'd love it if abortion would go away, but as long as they are necessary they need to be legal, safe, covered by insurance, and nobody's business but the woman and her doctor--and the baby's father if the woman wants him to have a say in it.

[Retrograde]

48. If they really wanted to end it they had their chance

back in the early 2000s when the GOP controlled both houses, the presidency and, some would say, the courts, they could have gotten at least a bill through. But that would end a nice wedge issue and then they'd have to get something else to rile the base.

I think there are some true believers on the right who do want to see abortion abolished, but for the main part the party is run by cynics who want to keep themselves in power.

[mindwalker_i]

15. Republican politicians don't want to end abortion

It's a main selling point for them, so ending abortion would be counterproductive. The deeply religious want to move the country back to a mythical point where everybody was Christian and got along - like I say, mythical. They don't have plans either, but vote for anyone who appears to support their ideal. Then there are the very few know actually care about babies, but they don't really matter.

[TexasProgresive]

29. +1

It's a major wedge issue with them along with gun control. Abortion pre-raygun was an non political issue. There were pro and con on both sides of the aisle.

[morningfog]

39. I came to post this. It is a wedge issue that they would never actually want to resolve.

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. Too bad their stupid followers don't get the disconnect, eh?

[quakerboy]

16. The more things you make illegal.

The more things you have to beat people over the head with. The easier it is to prove that the country is full of criminals. The easier it is to collect power in the name of making us "safe" from "evildoers".

[rustydog]

18. There plan is to rile up their low-IQ base so they will vote

If you end abortion, you will not have an election year issue.

[Mopar151]

19. Major self-deception is an integral part of the "Anti's"

Much of this is, IMHO, is about 3 issues; A) Increasing the supply of adoptable white babies available through their church B) Unleashing the Mighty Wrath of Gawd upon those they consider sinners (Making a pregnancy an instrument of vengance) C) A steadfast beleif that every fetus is a perfect child, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

Contraception, STD's, women's health? - the "Anti's" see these as enabling "fornicators" to (A))"deny the gifts of the Lawd" and thwart (B)

Assasination of Dr. George Tiller, and all the "partial birth" furor? That's (C), with a side of (B)

"Crisis Pregnancy Centers", clinic blockades, mandatory ultrasounds? (A) all the way

Back alley abortions, septic abortion wards, stillbirths carried to full term? Plan (B) - this is where the hypocrisy gets thick! IIRC, legal, safe abortion actually reduces the number of abortions performed, but the reduction in death and misery thwarts (B) and makes a mockery of (C)

And a lot of the "leaders" of the "Anti" movement - particularly the men - creep me out bad. They are consumed with hate, and want nothing more than the license to hurt somebody badly- which the "movement" seems quite willing to grant. Creepy like a pedophile....

[kestrel91316]

22. They don't want to end it. They just want women to be in fear of

death if they obtain one, either due to infection or hemorrhage or the bullet of a RWer's gun or execution by the state when they make it a capital offense.

[Lunacee2012]

34. I'm very afraid that if this amount of

RW anti-choice crap doesn't subside soon, then one of those crazy nut-jobs with not only shot another doctor, but a woman too(after she aborts of course).

[xfundy]

26. There is no plan to end abortion.

Repigs controlled all three branches of gov for quite some time several years back. Had they actually wanted to, they could have passed laws, etc., etc. But they didn't.

Why on earth would they give up one of their best fundraising schemes?

Same goes with gay rights; they're trying to fundraise off all the old poots and other idiots since prop 8 died. They want to keep scaring the 'base' (idiots) with both issues because they dare not run on their record.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. EVERYONE JUST STOPPPPP FUCKING! RIGHT NOW!

No, seriously. That's the plan.

[Lunacee2012]

38. I wonder what would happen if every pro-choice woman

decided to stop fucking anyone who was not outwardly pro-choice themselves. Though, to be honest, I don't know why some of us actually do that. Talk about sleeping with the enemy.

[Warren DeMontague]

52. I don't know, either.

I had a fling with a girl in college that ended abruptly when I saw her wearing an Ollie North t-shirt, and without a trace of irony.

ever since then everyone I've been involved with has been on basically the same page as me.

[jmowreader]

28. Their plan is to pass a law banning abortion. What else would it be?

You know how well the law banning Meth worked; there is no reason to believe the law banning Abortion won't work equally as well...and the chemicals used to make illegal Meth can also be used to make illegal Abortions, so there IS a parallel.

[2pooped2pop]

30. I think the plan is...

to make everyone too broke for an abortion. The rich have D&C's, which provides the abortion under a medical guise.

[ananda]

31. Just for the record.

Marijuana is not a deadly drug... not even close.

In fact, it's medicinal and helpful to many people.

[Bigmack]

32. I just picked MJ as an example... probably should have used meth... nt

[Broderick]

36. They want to take possession of the uterus

and the Vagina for that matter it seems. "All your vaginae and uteri belong to us", is basically the theme I am getting from them.


Here in Virginia, one lawmaker wants to make rectal examines required for viagra. LOL. If they want to do like they are doing in other states, why not.

[Nikia]

37. The plan is to revoke the license of any doctor who performs abortions and imprision them

To discourage anyone from performing them. This will greatly decrease the number of people with any medical training be willing to perform them.
There will still be people performing them. Getting an abortion from one of them will be a gamble though.

[IcyPeas]

42. .... what Nikia said - go after the doctors

prosecute the doctors and throw them in jail

[kctim]

43. I doubt if anyone thinks you can end abortion

I think their plan is to at least stop government support of it so that people are not being forced to support something they do not wish to support.

[Bigmack]

46. The Hyde amendment stops people from supporting...

abortion with public funds.

They DO want to stop abortion... totally...look at the web sites.

[kctim]

49. You mentioned

ACTUALLY stopping abortion, which as you say in the OP, can't be done.
IMO, most of them know this and will be satisfied if they just don't have to support it. So, while Hyde prevents direct funding for abortions, it does not stop indirect funding.

I of course am not talking about the few far right religious types who live in a dream world. I am talking about the majority of regular people.

[Blaukraut]

44. Access to free contraceptives??..Oh, Wait, Never Mind! n/t

[Quantess]

45. Are you kidding? The Right wing doesn't actually want to end abortion completely.

Abortion is a very useful distraction that gets their base riled up.

[workinclasszero]

50. You gotta be kidding, right?

Outlawing abortion is the last thing the repugs want to do!

I mean shit if that happened all these working class idiots who vote for the reich wing would finally wake up to the fact that their reps are screwing the living shit outta them!

Bush and his idiot party controlled the gov for 8 years. When did they outlaw abortion??

When did they even seriously try to??

Ill tell you when...

NEVER!

[jwirr]

51. I don't think they care about ending it. They just want to make it illegal and make sure they are

not implicated in it in anyway. They want to be able to say that THEIR government is not involved and that their tax money does not pay for it.

Kind of like Pilot washing his hands to be rid of the consequences.