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Fri May 3, 2013, 08:28 AM

Gals who have sex before 15 deserve what they get

Kudos to the Obama Administration for getting this one right.

This move will go a long way towards re-establishing trust with our friends on the far, far right after so many years of our not doing absolutely every last thing they want.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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Reply Gals who have sex before 15 deserve what they get (Original post)
MannyGoldstein May 2013 OP
ananda May 2013 #1
libodem May 2013 #34
graham4anything May 2013 #2
AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #8
graham4anything May 2013 #11
sufrommich May 2013 #12
graham4anything May 2013 #14
sufrommich May 2013 #16
MannyGoldstein May 2013 #17
randome May 2013 #18
rhett o rick May 2013 #20
randome May 2013 #22
n2doc May 2013 #3
MannyGoldstein May 2013 #4
n2doc May 2013 #6
MannyGoldstein May 2013 #28
Cirque du So-What May 2013 #7
n2doc May 2013 #10
BlueStreak May 2013 #27
graham4anything May 2013 #13
AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #37
graham4anything May 2013 #38
lapislzi May 2013 #19
xchrom May 2013 #5
ProSense May 2013 #9
99Forever May 2013 #15
rhett o rick May 2013 #21
JaneyVee May 2013 #23
Arctic Dave May 2013 #24
randome May 2013 #25
Ed Suspicious May 2013 #32
Fuddnik May 2013 #26
marshall May 2013 #44
Pisces May 2013 #29
kath May 2013 #30
laundry_queen May 2013 #51
kath May 2013 #33
Rex May 2013 #47
SomethingFishy May 2013 #53
Pisces May 2013 #55
Dragonfli May 2013 #58
Pisces May 2013 #60
Dragonfli May 2013 #68
Pisces May 2013 #82
Ed Suspicious May 2013 #31
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #42
Ms. Toad May 2013 #69
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #79
Ms. Toad May 2013 #83
WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #71
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #80
Buzz Clik May 2013 #35
mountain grammy May 2013 #36
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #40
Dragonfli May 2013 #52
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #62
Dragonfli May 2013 #66
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #81
Proud Liberal Dem May 2013 #45
winter is coming May 2013 #56
Proud Liberal Dem May 2013 #63
winter is coming May 2013 #65
Proud Liberal Dem May 2013 #67
winter is coming May 2013 #73
Proud Liberal Dem May 2013 #84
Ms. Toad May 2013 #70
Proud Liberal Dem May 2013 #72
Ms. Toad May 2013 #75
Jamastiene May 2013 #77
Pisces May 2013 #57
winter is coming May 2013 #61
riderinthestorm May 2013 #39
winter is coming May 2013 #59
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #41
Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #43
LittleBlue May 2013 #46
Proud Liberal Dem May 2013 #64
winter is coming May 2013 #74
bvar22 May 2013 #48
MannyGoldstein May 2013 #54
truebluegreen May 2013 #49
AverageJoe90 May 2013 #50
DeSwiss May 2013 #76
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:30 AM

1. And especially the victims of rape and/or incest.

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Response to ananda (Reply #1)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:56 AM

34. That is exactly the point

Thank you for speaking out.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:33 AM

2. This was 100% thoroughly rebuked yesterday, but the anti-Obamabots almost convinced me

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:52 AM

8. Important, if true.

 

Where's your link for your claimed rebuke?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:01 AM

11. From last night-President Obama supports the FDR plan for 15 and older

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/obama-backs-plan-b-pill-for-teen-girls/
President Obama said on Thursday that he supports the Food and Drug Administration’s decision to allow the sale of the “Plan B” emergency contraception pill to women 15 years and older, a decision many women’s rights groups say doesn’t go far enough.

“The rule that’s been put forward by the FDA, Secretary Sebelius has reviewed, she’s comfortable with it, I’m comfortable with it,” Obama said at a press conference during a state visit to Mexico. “The current ruling… you could phrase it as they’re allowing contraceptives to be sold over the counter for 15 year olds and over. It has not resolved the question of girls younger than 15.”
“I’m very comfortable with the decision that is being made right now based on solid scientific evidence for girls 15 and older,” Obama added.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #11)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:04 AM

12. "Girls 15 and older".

What don't you get about how incredibly stupid it is to put an age limit on this?

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #12)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:07 AM

14. the ruling by a judge was about 15-17. What part don't you get the OP is a lie?

 

the judgement was only about 15.
so don't add anything that wasn't there.

But vote for Hillary in 2016, as I would assume if you have a Hillary avitar, one would be a fan.
though I never assume.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #14)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:09 AM

16. No, the ruling from the judge said "all females

of child bearing age".

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #11)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:13 AM

17. You're right. The Administration changed from 17 to 15.

I should have done more research on the appeal before posting.

I updated my OP as appropriate.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #17)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:18 AM

18. Don't be TOO enthusiastic to trash Obama.

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Response to randome (Reply #18)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:44 AM

20. I am with you. I agree that Pres Obama should fight the courts and side with conservatives

on the issue of Plan B.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #20)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:52 AM

22. Neither one of us thinks that.

The appeal is very likely to fail. It's a political move and not exactly what one would think of as 'noble'. But it's politics.

It was the same when the DOJ defended DOMA. They knew they held a losing hand but they didn't want to be seen as pushing for gay rights that early.

I'm not uncomfortable calling the position as 'craven' but there doesn't seem to be much bite behind the appeal so it's not something to worry about, IMO.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:35 AM

3. The Obama Administration: Always working on behalf of those who hate them n/t

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Response to n2doc (Reply #3)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:45 AM

4. Reaching out. Like Gandhi.

Gandhi with drones.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:47 AM

6. toon for you this morning

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Response to n2doc (Reply #6)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:33 AM

28. That explains it

I've been reading recently that the President has allowed his temper to show itself.

He needs to do better. Only passivity can win this battle.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:48 AM

7. Yeah, but

unless you're an evildoer, you have nothing to fear. Also, make sure you're not in close proximity to an evildoer when the drone strike comes.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:58 AM

10. And one more toon, from Mr Fish....

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Response to n2doc (Reply #10)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:29 AM

27. Mr. Fish captures the essential truth - always

This is why so many of us are so frustrated with Obama. We know he is crazy smart. We know he can do so much better than this. We know the age limit it unsupportable by any logic. We know there is no justification for appointing industry lobbyists to oversee their industries such as FCC. We know that without Congress' blessing be had many executive options to end most of the madness that is GITMO. It just goes on and on.

Mr' Fish is right. It is a man with no soul.

Better than Brand R? Yes. But that's not good enough.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:04 AM

13. this has been rebuked, OP should be deleted.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:15 AM

37. You've said this before at #2. It turns out, however, that you cannot support your statement.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #37)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:18 AM

38. the link was provided by 3 different people including me. 15 will happen.

 

and 15 was what the judge said no too.

It never was less than 15 in the current post, and Manny edited his post in #1, therefore, your post #37 has been rebuked by Manny himself.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:20 AM

19. ^^^ This. ^^^ n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:47 AM

5. du rec. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:56 AM

9. Obama ‘Very Comfortable’ With FDA Decision On Plan B

Obama ‘Very Comfortable’ With FDA Decision On Plan B
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022789235

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:08 AM

15. K&R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:47 AM

21. I agree and it should be a high priority to fight the courts and support the conservative stand

on this issue.

And it's about time to give another rhetoric filled speech to Planned Parenthood.

He's got this.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:54 AM

23. I don't want to brag, but I'm pretty sure I was able to get pregnant by age 11.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:11 AM

24. I think this is a great idea, girls don't get pregnant before 15, it's a proven fact! Wait...What?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers



Who do I believe, Obama or my lying eyes?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #24)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:13 AM

25. It's a fact!

?zz=1

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #24)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:46 AM

32. The female body has ways to prevent illegitimate pregnancy like that which occurs at 13 years old.nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:15 AM

26. It's stupid on it's face to start with.

What kind of legal ID's do 15 year olds carry? They can't drive.

Do they have to get their birth certificate from their parents? Apply for a state ID so they can buy the pill after the fact?

Make it for any woman of child-bearing age. Period.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #26)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:37 PM

44. Just prove they are of child bearing age

Evidence of menses?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:37 AM

29. 3rd way Manny can always be counted on for more Obama bashing. This has been your calling card for

Obama since before 2008 when he was running. You were always the 3rd way which is against this boards policy to solicit
voting for 3rd party candidates.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #29)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:42 AM

30. Sheesh - do you really have no clue what the Third Way is?

Face palm.

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Response to kath (Reply #30)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:53 PM

51. LOL that made me laugh. As I was face palming with you. nt

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Response to Pisces (Reply #29)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:47 AM

33. And apparently,like so many repugs, you're not bright enough to grasp sarcasm or satire.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #29)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:08 PM

47. LOL!

OMGZ!!!

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Response to Pisces (Reply #29)

Fri May 3, 2013, 05:45 PM

53. LOL.. you should probably just stop now...

before you embarrass yourself further.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #53)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:35 PM

55. I am not embarrassed of my support of the President and calling out people that perpetually bash him













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Response to Pisces (Reply #55)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:57 PM

58. The part that's embarrassing isn't blind support of an idol regardless of what he does or says

That is just typical idol worship; I have seen such Idolatry regarding Bieber as well (very normal up to a certain age I imagine). We are all getting embarrassed for you because you don't know what the terms you use even mean.
The term Third Way refers to various political positions which try to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

This is why it's funny and people laugh at you (the same reason it was funny in the movie)

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #58)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:01 PM

60. I guess what you don't understand is that I don't idolize the Pres. I am a pragmatist and don't live

your land of "The Princess Bride" Where good always triumphs over evil. Laugh it up, doesn't bother me.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #60)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:59 PM

68. Yes of course, pragmatism requires unquestioning loyalty to one person.

While ignoring any flaws in that person or that person's bad policy decisions. I forgot, words mean whatever you want them to mean.

You still don't know what the words mean that you used,
and that is still why you are so very funny.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #68)

Sat May 4, 2013, 11:19 AM

82. People can question and disagree with policy positions without bashing the President with Right wing

language. Keep on your quest to stir up shit on this board.











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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:44 AM

31. Yeah, my 12 and 14 year old daughters just damn well better not make a mistake.

What a stupid idea it is to have an age limit on this.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #31)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:57 AM

42. I've had the morning-after pill - when I was 25.

It's a harsh drug that makes women sick to the bone that only suppositories can help relieve some. Morning sickness is NOTHING compared to the suffering I had done having used the MAP. This is not an aspirin {which should also be regulated considering it can cause gastritis - as I've learned the hard way} or even a baby aspirin. This drug is POTENT and it shouldn't be given to any girl willy-nilly unless under Doctor's advice. President Obama and the FDA are to the left of me on this one.

As a responsible parent, if you believe your daughters are looking at boys a little more closely than before, it's time to get them on the pill. That's what I did with my daughter when she turned 12 - and it helped prevent acne as well as painful monthly cycles, too. Benefits all around! But the pill would most definitely help against any unintended pregnancies. The morning after pill, or Plan B, should be carefully administered, and I'm speaking out of very painful experience here that I wouldn't wish on my own daughter.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #42)

Sat May 4, 2013, 12:01 AM

69. It would not have been responsible for me to put my daughteron the pill at age 12 -

for some reasons we knew at that age - and some we didn't only learned later. Dumping medication into someone just because they are of the age to be sexually active is not inherently a good idea - and the pill is much less innocuous than aspirin. Blood clots are a lot more disabling and potentially deadly than gastritis - and being on the pill long term for anyone who is at risk for clotting (which my daughter is, but we did not know it at 12) is much more risky than a single use of the morning after pill. Your daughter is lucky, but I don't personally consider that a wise choice because there are too many hereditary conditions or predispositions that do not show up by that age for a full time medication "just in case" to be a good option.

Not to mention that the pill does not provide any protection against STDs.

Far better to have open and honest conversations with your children (male and female) about the risks and potential lifelong consequences of unprotected sex - these days herpes, genital or oral HPV (causing a variety of oral cancers), HIV, and super strains of gonorrhea are very prevalent so until they are in a monagamous (or very regularly tested with abstinence through the seroconversion stage) relationship, it is critical that our children understand how critical it is to use barrier protection (including for oral sex and foreplay). If they are doing that anyway, they can avoid the barrage of chemicals and on the extremely rare occasion when a barrier method fails, the MAP is still an option (and since we've been talking to them about it, if they need the morning after pill, we can make sure they are using it under a doctor's supervision if it is ever needed).

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #69)

Sat May 4, 2013, 10:22 AM

79. There are very weak and very strong contraceptive pills. My daughter got the lightest.

There's no such thing as a one-pill-for-all. In the Netherlands, many young girls even at the age of eleven have been taking the pill with no problems.

By the way, gastritis is nothing to sniff at. Not only is it physically disabling {horrendous stomach-flu-like pain where even walking becomes torture}, but left untreated, causes serious damage to the stomach walls, can cause lactose intolerance, gluten-intolerance, can cause large and ugly bleeding ulcers and stomach cancer. It's not a simple case of indigestion.

I've had the talk with all three of my children, but I'm realistic enough to know that no matter how you prepare them, peer-pressure is stronger than anything a parent can ever say. That's just the fact. That said, although she'd been on the pill since she was 12, my daughter is a rare girl who has decided not to jump into bed with the first pretty face she sees - and there were many chances for that. She has seen the devastating effects on her friends who discover they'd contracted a STD because of a one-night-stand since my daughter was into heavy partying in her later teenage years.

Today, at 21, my daughter has been in a monogamous relationship for four years, is a legal secretary currently being trained to be VP of New Relations for the law firm she works for, and when she's 22 1/2, she will be making an annual salary of $100K per year. Her friends, whose mothers didn't want their daughters on the pill, now find themselves mothers and their mothers are now grandmothers. Nearly all of them. Some even have two or more children, are unmarried, and don't know who their "baby daddies" are.

I believe I did pretty damn good by my daughter even if you personally believe I didn't make a "wise choice".

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #79)

Sat May 4, 2013, 02:18 PM

83. And many people take antibiotics for viral infectiosn

and don't suffer any harm. For others, it not only doesn't treat the infection - it destroys the gut flora and can be a trigger in a person genetically predisposed for IBD.

Our own personal experience with medication tells me that it is not a good idea to flood our systems "just in case." Open communication about when sexual activity is on the horizon, and starting on the pill when that stage is reached, serves the same purpose without taking medication for which there is no medical basis.

FWIW my daughter thinks I rely too heavily on medicine.

As to gastritis I believe you are conflating all kinds of gastritis (which literally just means an inflammation of the stomach lining - which has many causes, and many levels of severity) with the consequences of the more serious kinds which - to the extent caused by prolonged use of NSAIDS can be resolved by stopping them. Stomach cancer is not a consequence of NSAIDS induced gastritits. It is can be a consequence of atrophic gastritis which is caused by h.pylori or an autoimmune disorder, not NSAIDS.

And if you really want to know about cancer caused by unnecessary meds - here's her thoughts: Her research suggests that the unnecessary antibiotic she was given at age 2 is what disturbed her gut flora enough to trigger her IBD and the related PSC she now has, which will ultimately require a liver transplant and currently put her at risk for colon, liver, bile duct, gall bladder, and pancreatic cancer. The antibiotic was unnecessary - so, yeah, I'm not a fan of putting unnecessary medications in your system. They can have pretty severe unintended consequences if my daughter is correct about what triggered her IBD.

I'm glad your daughter didn't suffer any consequences from your choice, and that she has turned into a fantastic young woman.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #42)

Sat May 4, 2013, 12:20 AM

71. No, it does not make all women "sick to the bone."

I speak from personal experience. And a teen-aged family member took Plan B last summer and experienced nothing like what you describe. I don't believe the stuff should be doled out like Tic Tacs, but your experience is not every woman's experience.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #71)

Sat May 4, 2013, 10:28 AM

80. My pregnancies and opting for natural birth were very difficult on me.

I had nightmares of giving birth weeks after the events. Others tell me it's a piece of cake, and they had no problems whatsoever. Giving birth to two of my children happened after 20 hours of intense and painful labor. Every woman's body reacts differently to different events, but as for the use of the MAP, I'm not the only person who suffered from it. My friends experienced the same thing.

So your and your teenage family member's experience is not every woman's experience, either, right?

I agree, though, that Plan B should NOT be doled out like candy.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:00 AM

35. LOL! I guess I don't need to be the lone dissenting voice. To break a trend...



Your OP is clearly a stick in the hornets' nest, and the result is predictable.

Better you than me.

(oh, I disagree with your premise, but ....)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:05 AM

36. I don't like the age restriction, BUT let's be truthful

the conservative, right wing, Republican approach is that Plan B would NOT BE AVAILABLE AT ALL. What the hell are we arguing about here?

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #36)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:49 AM

40. What they're arguing about? That it's all Obama's fault, of course.

Third-way Manny {and yes, he's a Third-wayer since he neither like Democrats or Republicans - must be a Glenn Greenwald "Libertarian" which is the essence of a Third-wayer} absolutely LOATHES President Obama and Democrats almost - not quite, but almost - as much as Republicans.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #40)

Fri May 3, 2013, 05:31 PM

52. You may want to learn the meanings of the terms you use, they don't mean what you think they do

The term Third Way refers to various political positions which try to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

So "Third-way Manny" is a character that is the opposite of what you claimed when typing, "he's a Third-wayer since he neither like Democrats or Republicans". Third way types are Reagan "Democrats" that love voodoo economics (supply side - if you don't understand that reference either). "Third-way Manny" is not to be confused with MannyGoldstein who is a classical Democrat that supports Keynesian economic theory and FDR's Economic Bill Of Rights

Libertarians rally around Ayn Rand or if more moderate the Cato Institute, If you want to know what they believe I suggest reading "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand or "Radicals for Capitalism: A Freewheeling History of the Modern American Libertarian Movement" by Brian Doherty

You are incredibly lost if you think MannyGoldstein is a Libertarian. Glenn Greenwald is not a Libertarian either, Show me any instance at all of the objects of your ire espousing libertarian views, I have never read a post by Manny or a single article written by Glenn Greenwald doing so.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #52)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:47 PM

62. I know what online dictionaries are saying, but a Third-Wayer is in essence, looking for a

third way in current politics. That means to me, not Democratic Party and not Republican Party, which are the two dominating political parties in our country.

Then there's the "third way"...

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #62)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:43 PM

66. Ever been to their website? It is more than online dictionaries, you sound

like the people that call Democrats "Comnust sewchlists", they like their own special definitions as well, but ignorance is ignorance. Spreading it embarrasses us all.

Third wayers are proud of being "radical centrists" they are registered as Democrats and are considered to be influential and are very real to all of washington, Obama quotes them often. They are all too real and lying about what and who they are says more about you than anything else.

What you may not know is that their policies on SS cuts that Obama pushes to the letter, come from Wall St.

If you want to sound like you don't understand grown up politics in Washington, feel free to sound like one of those people that mis-spells signs and calls Obama "sosalist fassist" or some other mis-used words to insult what they don't even understand. It is you that looks foolish, most just find both ya'll funny and uninformed, so please do continue.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #66)

Sat May 4, 2013, 11:16 AM

81. Who's embarrassing themselves? Not me.

If you're going to accuse President Obama and Progressives who believe we need to do something in order to avoid the 25% cut in benefits (unless, of course, you believe the SSA Trustee's Board are all partisan Republicans aka Third-wayers, too) that the SSA Trustees Board projects for 2033 - eight years earlier than they'd predicted in 2005 - then I can't help but believe you're afraid of black helicopters and bullshit 9/11 conspiracy theories like that, as well. And that link is to some blogger on DKos who gives his OWN definition what a Third-wayer is - a Republican. It appears that every LeftFringie believes that anyone who doesn't conform to their picture-perfect ideal world is a third-wayer. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, YOU are the third-wayer?

Anyway, here are a few "third-wayers" for your historical reference regarding Social Security reform:

President Carter CUT S.S. benefits with Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress voting almost unanimously for it. Were all those Democrats and President Carter "third-wayers"?

Tip O'Neill, generally known as the champion for Social Security, helped passed a bill to raise the retirement age that Reagan signed into law. Is he a Third-wayer now, too?

President Clinton CUT S.S. benefits when he signed into law the bill that would tax all social security benefits for beneficiaries who still work and make over $34K per year.

But not a whimper was heard. Fancy that.

Now, President Obama has proposed, in his comprehensive budget proposal that includes instituting universal Pre-K for the first time in American history, closes generous tax loopholes for millionaires and billionaires, shuts off the money-spigot of taxpayer dollar funded grants to Big Agri, Big Pharma, Big Oil, and Big Corps and only proposes a 0.3% of 1% COLA that amounts to about $3.00 per month {something seniors now save through ObamaCare having closed the donut-hole, no?}, and all hell breaks loose! He gets flack from both the AlwaysWrongRight and the LeftFringieBrigade as if he'd just proposed that they should saccrifice their first born to him on the steps of the WH.

If you want to express your poutrage about something, at least know the facts of its history so you'll at least appear to know what the hell you're talking about and that you don't come off looking like it's okay for White presidents to do something while it's forbidden for Black presidents to do something like it.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #36)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:47 PM

45. is this about it being available over the counter

or not at all? Can girls younger than 15 get it with a prescription?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #45)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:50 PM

56. Yes, if you're under 15 you're supposed to be able to get it with a prescription

assuming you can get the prescription and get it filled in a timely manner. And time is vitally important to the effectiveness of Plan B, which is one of the reasons there's been a push for OTC access.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #56)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:26 PM

63. I agree with OTC access in general for Plan B

yet I can't help but have a few qualms about children under a certain age being able to obtain/use it OTC without some guidance from a doctor/parent. I guess it's kind of a personal thing but I bet that I'm probably not the only parent that would feel a little iffy about it as well. Come to think of it, how many children younger than 14 are running around drugstores by themselves without any parental supervision purchasing medicine? That would probably be a little concerning in and of itself.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #63)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:35 PM

65. Here's the problem with "forcing" girls to consult parents/doctors about their suspected

pregnancy in order to obtain Plan B: if there's not some sort of "problem" with the girl being able to communicate with her family, she'll likely do so, but perhaps not in a timely enough fashion for Plan B to be effective. If there is a problem, our "good intentions" put the girl in an untenable situation where she'll likely end up pregnant and possibly abused as well. Good intentions don't always yield good results.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #65)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:47 PM

67. I see your point (which is the same kind of story with parental notification laws and abortions)

Just pointing out that- since everybody is piling on President Obama and his administration over this- how they might be looking at the issue (i.e. safety for younger children). I maintain my personal concerns though about the logistics of younger children walking into drug stores and purchasing such medication under no supervision/guidance. Of course, I'd be concerned about the fact that children younger than 15 or so are not being properly supervised or any child potentially being abused/neglected. Yeah, I know that there are those tragic situations where they are sexually abused and likely to be further abused/neglected if they become pregnant but they could be putting themselves at risk of harm/complications as well. What's the answer? But I don't think it's as simple of an issue as some people are making it out to be.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #67)

Sat May 4, 2013, 01:16 AM

73. There's no supervision/guidance for drugs like aspirin, ibuprofen, and Tylenol.

Why is it that we only start worrying about girls younger than 15 not being able to read and follow directions when sex is involved?

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #73)

Sun May 5, 2013, 11:21 AM

84. We're talking about a drug that specifically affects the female reproductive system

unlike aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, etc. I'm sure that a lot of children under 15 may be capable and reading and following directions but I still don't think medication like this should be trifled with and used without, if not directly by the parents, at least some kind of adult guidance/supervision under a certain age. Plus, what about kids whom are developmentally delayed and/or may not be able to read and follow directions- or use good judgement? My wife's 17-year old daughter is Autistic and there's no way that we would let her manage medications the way we allow her 15-year old daughter to but even with the 15-year old we were managing her medications and giving it to her ourselves until recently. There's always the potential for life-threatening complications no matter what the medication is and I believe that parents or some adult needs to be involved at least until well into teenage years IMHO.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #63)

Sat May 4, 2013, 12:07 AM

70. I handled all my non-prescription medication needs

starting at age 12. At that age my parents gave me a 6 month allowance to cover all my clothing, school lunch, toiletries, OTC medications and so on needs. They paid for doctor's visits and prescription meds outside of that allowance & until I could drive, my parents were at least in town with me, but not necessarily in the same store.

And that latter hang-up is an issue with the current proposal. Even though in theory it would be available starting at age 15, the reality is that the implementation effectively bars most people under 16 from obtaining it (and older in many instances), since even OTC it requires an ID to prove you are over 15 - and not too many people have a government issued ID before 16 which does that.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #70)

Sat May 4, 2013, 12:29 AM

72. I would say that your situation was quite different than mine (and most people I knew back then)

n/t

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #72)

Sat May 4, 2013, 02:35 AM

75. Probably.

My parents made the money management switchover when they decided each of the kids was ready for it. I was the youngest of my siblings (although I had one brother who was close to the same age). I don't remember ages for the other 3 siblings, but they would have been at least a couple of years older.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #63)

Sat May 4, 2013, 03:20 AM

77. Where I live, it is common for children younger than 14 to be in drugstores.

More specifically, Wal Mart is a hang out in my town. It has a pharmacy. Kids use either the Wal Mart Pharmacy or convenience stores when they need condoms or whatever. It's common where I live for kids to be on their own to do whatever, whenever, from a fairly early age. Also, drug stores are not the only places that sell drugs. Even convenience stores in my area have a random assortment of drugs, condoms, Goat Weed, Mini-Thins, cigars, cigarettes, beer, etc. I am always fascinated by the assortment of stuff in convenience stores here. Half of it wasn't as readily available when I was still in school, but it is now. I'm just glad to see the push back in a town that banned movies based on "morality" issues back when I was growing up. And kids in my area still hit the roads from a very early age in search of anything at all fun to do to make up for how incredibly fundy ass Bible Belt boring this town is.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #36)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:57 PM

57. Please stop being reasonable. People want to bash this President and they want others to join the

bandwagon. This is a potentially dangerous drug, but that is another thing we shouldn't discuss reasonably either.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #57)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:24 PM

61. "Potentially dangerous drug", my ass. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends

that pediatricians pre-prescribe Plan B and the FDA recommended no age restrictions two years ago, only to be overruled on specious grounds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/health/policy/sebelius-overrules-fda-on-freer-sale-of-emergency-contraceptives.html?_r=0

The current age restriction is Crazy Vagina Politics, not medicine.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:40 AM

39. I want to know if boys of any age can get Plan B? nt

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #39)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:57 PM

59. No. Same age restriction applies. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:51 AM

41. I don't agree with the title of your post.

And I don't agree with the second sentence in your so-called satire.

But I agree with you on the rest of it.

Regards,
Democrat BlueCaliDem

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:25 PM

43. I wonder how much of this is about the drug maker

and not so much about making emergency contraceptive available.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:06 PM

46. Should have made it legal for girls of any age

Really silly that we put arbitrary age numbers. What if a 14-year-old needs medicine? Do we say "no" just because she had the misfortune of needing the medicine before her 15th birthday?

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #46)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:32 PM

64. I'm confused

Is the medication available- with a prescription- at 14 y.o. or totally banned for girls under 15 (with or without a prescription)?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #64)

Sat May 4, 2013, 01:26 AM

74. Available with a prescription, and the Academy of American Pediatrics recommends

that pediatricians pre-prescribe Plan B to avoid a delay in obtaining it, in case it's needed.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:05 PM

48. Sounds like the work of "MIDDLE MAN"!

This is what happens when the devil is met half way.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #48)

Fri May 3, 2013, 05:50 PM

54. Middle-Man is my hero!

Whenever we meet the Devil Half way... the Devil just gets even more devilish.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:34 PM

49. Yup. The Lucky Sperm club or some other form...

But guys who have sex with girls before they are 15? Not so much.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:47 PM

50. There were good intentions, IMO. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2013, 02:52 AM

76. K&R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2013, 03:49 AM

78. The stuff costs $35-50 a dose...so it makes you wonder if it really matters...

...what 13 year old has that sort of money? Perhaps teaching parents to teach their children to be open and honest about their sexual health would be even more helpful. The problem isn't access, its society being so prone towards shaming young women and men that have sex to the point that they would avoid seeking professional or parental help in the first place. Frankly, I'd rather a 13 year old and her partner be professionally counseled if this happens about the virtue of regular birth control and safe sex. Its obvious that such a thing would potentially benefit them.

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