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Thu May 2, 2013, 11:37 PM

Thank you to all those who spoke out.

The admins have sent a clear message that violent rhetoric is not welcome here.

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Reply Thank you to all those who spoke out. (Original post)
Bjorn Against May 2013 OP
Fumesucker May 2013 #1
sylvi May 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #3
Niceguy1 May 2013 #6
nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #7
neverforget May 2013 #12
Niceguy1 May 2013 #28
neverforget May 2013 #35
Divine Discontent May 2013 #139
billh58 May 2013 #116
Scootaloo May 2013 #72
DanTex May 2013 #97
HiPointDem May 2013 #135
DanTex May 2013 #152
Blue_Tires May 2013 #121
geek tragedy May 2013 #14
Niceguy1 May 2013 #25
geek tragedy May 2013 #27
Niceguy1 May 2013 #37
annabanana May 2013 #81
RKP5637 May 2013 #138
tblue May 2013 #39
Niceguy1 May 2013 #45
geek tragedy May 2013 #53
Niceguy1 May 2013 #58
geek tragedy May 2013 #60
Niceguy1 May 2013 #64
geek tragedy May 2013 #66
truebluegreen May 2013 #71
Niceguy1 May 2013 #73
truebluegreen May 2013 #74
Niceguy1 May 2013 #83
truebluegreen May 2013 #91
billh58 May 2013 #117
DonCoquixote May 2013 #147
premium May 2013 #4
geek tragedy May 2013 #13
Turborama May 2013 #145
premium May 2013 #151
actslikeacarrot May 2013 #5
Eleanors38 May 2013 #8
Pholus May 2013 #142
Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #9
neverforget May 2013 #15
Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #18
neverforget May 2013 #19
Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #23
neverforget May 2013 #31
Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #34
neverforget May 2013 #36
Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #42
Hoyt May 2013 #101
neverforget May 2013 #102
sylvi May 2013 #26
Eleanors38 May 2013 #77
CreekDog May 2013 #106
morningfog May 2013 #124
Blecht May 2013 #10
freshwest May 2013 #38
morningfog May 2013 #129
freshwest May 2013 #140
geek tragedy May 2013 #11
Eleanors38 May 2013 #93
geek tragedy May 2013 #95
dkf May 2013 #16
kestrel91316 May 2013 #17
Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #20
morningfog May 2013 #125
sylvi May 2013 #21
Electric Monk May 2013 #24
sylvi May 2013 #29
morningfog May 2013 #132
Turborama May 2013 #143
Electric Monk May 2013 #150
Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #30
Electric Monk May 2013 #33
Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #41
sylvi May 2013 #44
geek tragedy May 2013 #55
sylvi May 2013 #59
geek tragedy May 2013 #61
sylvi May 2013 #67
Eleanors38 May 2013 #94
Demonaut May 2013 #22
DevonRex May 2013 #48
geek tragedy May 2013 #65
Turborama May 2013 #141
AverageJoe90 May 2013 #32
freshwest May 2013 #40
CreekDog May 2013 #107
AverageJoe90 May 2013 #108
CreekDog May 2013 #110
AverageJoe90 May 2013 #111
VOX May 2013 #114
Half-Century Man May 2013 #43
holdencaufield May 2013 #46
Robb May 2013 #99
morningfog May 2013 #133
DevonRex May 2013 #47
graham4anything May 2013 #49
actslikeacarrot May 2013 #51
graham4anything May 2013 #52
geek tragedy May 2013 #57
actslikeacarrot May 2013 #63
graham4anything May 2013 #68
actslikeacarrot May 2013 #69
Inkfreak May 2013 #86
billh58 May 2013 #118
Eleanors38 May 2013 #78
dkf May 2013 #54
graham4anything May 2013 #50
sylvi May 2013 #56
Turborama May 2013 #122
mwrguy May 2013 #62
DonCoquixote May 2013 #70
Eleanors38 May 2013 #79
DonCoquixote May 2013 #87
Eleanors38 May 2013 #92
DonCoquixote May 2013 #146
RandiFan1290 May 2013 #75
Logical May 2013 #89
CreekDog May 2013 #109
Trajan May 2013 #76
Eleanors38 May 2013 #80
morningfog May 2013 #136
morningfog May 2013 #134
ileus May 2013 #82
randome May 2013 #84
boston bean May 2013 #85
CreekDog May 2013 #112
boston bean May 2013 #113
In_The_Wind May 2013 #88
Logical May 2013 #90
DanTex May 2013 #96
RainDog May 2013 #105
billh58 May 2013 #119
morningfog May 2013 #128
CokeMachine May 2013 #98
Turborama May 2013 #100
Logical May 2013 #103
Bjorn Against May 2013 #104
CokeMachine May 2013 #115
geek tragedy May 2013 #120
Logical May 2013 #123
Bjorn Against May 2013 #126
Logical May 2013 #130
Bjorn Against May 2013 #137
morningfog May 2013 #127
Electric Monk May 2013 #148
Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #131
Electric Monk May 2013 #149
Th1onein May 2013 #144

Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2013, 11:47 PM

1. That's a pretty fucked up thread

It does appear that there were posters advocating treason.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2013, 11:56 PM

2. There is no one in that thread "promoting an armed insurrection" against the current government.

 

There is a lot of speculation about what right-wingers might or might not do, and how the military might react to an insurgency, but not a single DUer is calling for such against their fellow Democrats.

That is, in all likelihood, why your alerts are failing.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:03 AM

3. In all seriousness

Copy and paste to ATA.

Oh and in all seriousness, they are talking of this poll

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/24/1204442/-Republicans-struggle-as-immigration-reform-approaches

It is a valid nooz story, since 40% of republicans be,ieve it's needed.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:20 AM

6. the poll is bs

44% of the 800 people polled said that.

Lets label an entire group over what 352 people think.

Only makes us look silly

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #6)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:21 AM

7. I have not looked at the MoE in it

But that is how polls work...there is statistics involved.

It's silly to say something can't be when we don't get statistics.

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #6)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:33 AM

12. That's how statistics work. It's called a sample.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #12)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:12 AM

28. no.

It is more accurately called propaganda.

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #28)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:16 AM

35. I am thoroughly convinced with your evidence.

Nice try.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #35)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:31 PM

139. LOL... exactly.

the story of the 44% of Repubs who feel this way, according to the poll, goes right along with the Repubs who say Obama was born in Kenya. So, if it's 44% of Repubs, that means about 20% of Americans are paranoid bastards!!*#$**!!

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #28)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:51 PM

116. That's about what I would expect from

a Gungeoneer.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #12)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:09 AM

72. 800 people is a suitable sample for a population of ~6 million (would need closer to 900, but eh)

There are three hundred and eleven million people in the United States. Assuming half of the adults in the nation lean Republican, 800 of their number is not going to produce accurate results by any regard. There's also questions of sampling methodology, questions asked (people give different answers to the same question if phrased or even inflected differently) and you've got something that has all the validity of an internet poll.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #72)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:37 PM

97. The population size has nothing to do with the required sample size.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #97)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:21 PM

135. yes it does.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #135)

Sat May 4, 2013, 10:00 AM

152. No, it really doesn't. Try reading a stats book.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #12)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:45 PM

121. 109% of statistics are pretty easy to skew if you're creative enough...

100% of the people I've polled already knew that...

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #6)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:38 AM

14. Yes, it's called a 'poll' or 'survey'

And yes, 44% of the crowd that thinks global warming is a hoax, creationism is real, and that only white people are harmed by racism live in a fantasy world where they get to shoot liberals.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #14)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:08 AM

25. and polls

Like this are bullshit, whether they support our causes or the pubes.

It is like saying all muslims are terrorists

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #25)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:11 AM

27. These are the people that think Obama was born in Kenya, etc.

The Republican base is a rump group of crazy-ass white nationalists.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #27)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:17 AM

37. so basically

You are a all muslims are terrorists kind of person.

We can win on ideas, we dont need to resort to bs like that. We can be better than the tea party.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #27)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:25 AM

81. The Republican base is a rump group of crazy-ass white nationalists.

100% ACCURATE.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #81)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:25 PM

138. +1, n/t

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #25)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:18 AM

39. It's just a way to show they're pissed.

Seriously, if you were asked in 2004 whether Bush and Cheney were Satan's Spawn, you might just say yes (I would), and from that people would conclude the country is batshit crazy. It was a dumb push poll. Was it even multiple choice? See what I'm saying?

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Response to tblue (Reply #39)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:27 AM

45. I agreI agree

My point is that the people who banter with glee each time one of these "polls" comes out make us look like idiots.

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #45)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:26 AM

53. Most Republicans believe global warming and evolution are hoaxes.

It's not us who look stupid--they ARE stupid. They ARE ignorant.

They WANTED a national default in 2011.

They cannot be reasoned with, only stigmatized.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #53)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:35 AM

58. with facts

Not with propaganda and meaningless polls.

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #58)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:37 AM

60. The polls accurately reflect the deep stupidity of the Republican base.

That is what the Republican Party is--a hodge podg of bigotry, ignorance, and nihilism.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #60)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:53 AM

64. the extremes

Of both parties contain such riff raff.

Hate can be corrosive and is a cancer on the soul....

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #64)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:56 AM

66. The extremes in the Democratic Party are powerless and marginalized.

The extremists own the Republican Party, where it's the moderates who are marginalized and powerless.

The Republican Party is dangerously irrational.

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #64)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:07 AM

71. I submit that the "extremes" of both parties

are not equivalent.

The "extreme" end of one party wants armed insurrection against a democratically-elected government, the "extreme" end of the other party wants universal health care.

But enjoy your stay.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #71)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:33 AM

73. if an open minded

Progressive isnt welcome here than is doesn't speak well of this site, does it?

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #73)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:55 AM

74. Calling anyone in the very (overly!) center-left Democratic party "riff-raff"

is neither open-minded nor progressive.

But your concern is noted.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #74)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:52 AM

83. I was I was referring to

Those who burn and destroy things.....

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #83)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:05 AM

91. Fair enough.

But just who would that be? As a progressive, you (and I) are on the left fringes of the Democratic Party.

The true "Left" barely exists in this country and certainly doesn't exist in the power structure of the party or the country, having been marginalized for decades. The lunatic fringe on the Right, OTOH, is in control of the opposition party.

I apologize for coming down hard on you; the "false equivalency" thing makes me crazy.

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #45)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:53 PM

117. Maybe a mirror would

help with that anaolgy...

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #6)

Sat May 4, 2013, 03:57 AM

147. while not all GOP said yes

The fact that more than 40 percent did is, in and of itself, a warning. As two people described as "losers" in Boston showed, it does not take too many people to shed blood.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:11 AM

4. I just went and read that thread in the gungeon

 

and I couldn't find anyone advocating taking up arms against the govt., I saw alot of what if and this is what might happen, but no let's take up arms against the govt..

All I can say to your thread is: FAIL, FAIL, AND, MASSIVE FAIL.

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Response to premium (Reply #4)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:34 AM

13. No it was "if the gun grabbers ever try to take our guns. . . ." Turner diaries style fantasies

of gun owners leading a violent revolution against the evil effeminate liberals who don't even own firearms.

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Response to premium (Reply #4)

Sat May 4, 2013, 12:08 AM

145. This thread is pure WIN

For reasons you may not appreciate.

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Response to Turborama (Reply #145)

Sat May 4, 2013, 09:32 AM

151. I not stupid,

 

you're rejoicing that some pro gun members have been banned. Am I supposed to feel sorrow?
I really don't care either way.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:19 AM

5. "violent rhetoric"

I didn't see ANY of that in the thread. Maybe post an example?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:23 AM

8. Don't buy it. There was a similar thread today concerning this topic...

and the only folks who were into a civil war seemed to be several "bring it" gun controller/banners. Can you find that thread?

I think you are trying to intimidate the admunistrators into dumping the Gungeon with a trumped-up charge of disloyalty or something or other out there...

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #8)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:38 PM

142. So why exactly would a "bring it" response even come up again?


You really shouldn't make it so easy.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:24 AM

9. Bull. Fucking. Shit.

No one is "promoting armed insurrection" in that thread, and you are either deliberately misrepresenting what was actually said or are staggeringly deficient in basic reading comprehension. Whether you stay or go, I couldn't care less, but at least have the basic integrity to delete this slanderous post.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #9)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:40 AM

15. Then alert on it. Slanderous?

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #18)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:00 AM

19. A little touchy? Did the OP hurt your guns feelings?

As I said, alert on it then and quit complaining.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #19)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:05 AM

23. Tell you what:

When you get to tell me how to handle stuff (particularly being misrepresented by hysterical whiners because they got their ass handed to them in another thread), I'll make sure to tell you. Until then, well...I think even you can probably fill in the rest.

Oh, and howdy, neighbor...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #23)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:13 AM

31. And to think I said that you should alert on the OP and it got you all riled up

I'm not telling you what to do but suggested what you could do. Big difference.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #31)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:16 AM

34. Yay! Bullshit amateur psychoanalysis!

Gee, that was unexpected...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #34)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:17 AM

36. Why the anger?

Settle down. This is a discussion board for God's sake.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #36)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:22 AM

42. Clue: doubling down on a fuck-up doesn't make it go away.

Seriously, lose the silly-ass amateur psychoanalysis. You're way, way off-target.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #42)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:37 PM

101. Your guns and such anger don't mix well.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #42)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:39 PM

102. What fuck up? You're the one upset, not me. nt.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #19)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:08 AM

26. Did you give the same advice to the OP?

 

Or yourself, for that matter?

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #9)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:54 PM

106. why are your friends in that group (those you agree with) always getting PPR'd for their posts?

one after another.

are you getting the message?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #106)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:13 PM

124. That gun nut is blocked from this thread because they couldn't control themselves.

Glad that there is regular house cleaning, but some of these cobwebs are in the dustiest of corners. THere are some twisted and dangerous folks lurking in the corners. I don't blame the admins from not wanting anything to do with them.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:24 AM

10. Why read that crap?

You don't need to leave DU. Learn how to use the Ignore function.

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Response to Blecht (Reply #10)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:18 AM

38. Or Trash this forum. RK & BA was the first one I trashed, after begging the Admins for it.

That is a small part of DU.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #38)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:18 PM

129. But the gungeon posters don't stay in their cave.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #129)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:32 PM

140. My Ignore list is a black hole full of trolls, wailing and gnashing their teeth.

I got a life and they ain't in it. Honestly, I don't have the time. They can kiss off.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:24 AM

11. They didn't xplicitly call for violence, but it was pretty clear

which side they would be rooting for if their fellow gun enthusiasts on the right rebelled.

With a few notable exceptions, they're not Democrats, so don't feed them.

The Gungeon exists to keep the rest of the site a place where Democrats talk to each other.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #11)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:49 PM

93. Let's see the full quote, in context.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #93)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:07 PM

95. quotes in context:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121699

What makes you think all (or even most) of the professionals would fight for the government?

You do realize that today's US military has a very pronounced rightward lean and is pretty strongly pro-gun-rights, don't you? In the event of a genuinely widespread insurrection, a large portion (probably a slight majority) would end up on the insurrectionist side. Bank on it.


So, this person is explicitly stating that such an uprising would be of rightwing gun nuts--the Ted Nugent crowd. And then they say the military would join up with the Ted Nugent crowd.

Someone asks the logical question about this smear of the military as rightwing nutjobs waiting to commit treason.

Our military is full of traitors?

Good to know.

I thought it was full of professionals that swore to follow the orders of the civilian commander in chief.

Maybe we need to rethink who we let into our military.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121741

The Gungeon regulars respond to this person--directly-- by letting them know that--in a scenario explicitly described as rightwing extremists engaging in armed rebellion--that the rightwing armed rebels would be the ones in the right, and that the military would have to side with them if they respected the constitution.
If we come to the point where there is widespread insurrection in this country

conditions will probably exist that convince the military that those who govern us are the traitors.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121751

Members of the military are sworn firstly ...

... to " ...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and -- swearing to obey the orders of the CinC and the officers appointed over me follows the duty to support and defend the Constitution and "bear true faith and allegiance to the same".

If those oaths were ever in conflict, I would leave it to your imagination as to which they would chose.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121753

You take the Oath by swearing to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against *ALL ENEMIES*, BOTH FOREIGN AND *DOMESTIC*.

See, we have that little law that the Military CAN NOT BE USED AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS, therefore, ANY President who would order troops to move against citizens would be considered a Domestic Enemy. Troops also have the right to disregard any ordered deemed illegal, and this would be a BIG ONE!

Perhaps it's YOU who needs to "rethink" a few things, starting with your very poorly, misguided view of our Military and our Soldiers, those brave men and women who VOLUNTEERED to protect our Constitution and our Country. The only TRAITORS would be the president who gave that order, and the troops who followed it. After that, you can think about other things you may need to "rethink". If you get stumped, let me know and maybe I can help you out some more.....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121834

Again, these are all responses to a scenario where rightwing extremists engage in armed and violent rebellion.

The Gungeon response? Wolverines!!!!!!!

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:41 AM

16. Acts of terrorism? Seriously?

 

If you really think that don't you need to report it to the FBI or something?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:46 AM

17. I note with interest two people in this thread

who either don't think that thread is a problem, or don't like it being attacked.

Gosh, I am shocked. You people are transparent and predictable.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #17)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:01 AM

20. pot.kettle.black

You think you're any less predictable? Priceless.

Here's the deal: yes, people get pissed off when some (ban-worthy but goddamn accurate terminology deleted) talks complete and utter bullshit about them. When their actual statements are grossly and slanderously misrepresented. When they are falsely accused of saying things that anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of the fucking English language realizes they didn't say. Deal.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #20)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:14 PM

125. Tick tock. Tick tock.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #17)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:02 AM

21. Note it again, then.

 

There is not one post in that thread sympathizing with right winger violence or implying that it should occur from any quarter under our current state of affairs.

There is some theorizing on the broader question of whether armed resistance is justified as a response to wholesale usurpation of the constitution, but that is not directed towards Democrats or our current government either.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #24)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:12 AM

29. Yes, rly.

 

That post was in response to the statement, "There is no right to armed revolution", not having anything specifically to do with gun control.

Context is key.

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Response to sylvi (Reply #29)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:20 PM

132. Bye, gun humping paranoid nut fuck troll.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #132)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:21 PM

143. Nuked by an owner of this site without needing a hidden post

MIRT and the owners are doing a great job and each gun troll should be getting worried if they'll be next.

The OP of this thread has done DU a great service, too.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #132)

Sat May 4, 2013, 04:02 AM

150. Until next time. Glib sociopaths have no compunctions about registering over and over and over. nt

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #24)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:12 AM

30. Yes, rly.

Way to ignore the context...you know: the comment that was a response to:

"There is no right to armed revolution. Period."

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #30)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:14 AM

33. re: context, earlier in the thread he's talking about a gun fight between RKBAers and gun control

advocates. Context is key, indeed.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #33)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:20 AM

41. Yes, I know...I'm a participant in that thread and have read it all.

I stand by my assertion: there was no advocacy of armed revolution made, only discussion of various aspects thereof. There's a difference, and it's a damned important one. The OP is, not to put too fine a point on it, full of shit.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #33)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:25 AM

44. Take a look at the first post in that sub-thread by Bjorn Against

 

It makes the general statement, "Those who would engage in armed conflict or support it are the worst form of human scum". That is what the posts which follow it proceed from. None of them mention gun laws.

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Response to sylvi (Reply #21)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:30 AM

55. "Usurpation of the constitution" known to that crowd as "Canadian style gun

regulations."

People who contemplate seeking the violent overthrow of the federal government over gun control are McVeighesque nutjobs.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #55)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:36 AM

59. Of course they are.

 

I don't think you'll find a post from me disagreeing with that.

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Response to sylvi (Reply #59)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:41 AM

61. O rly


I suspect that if there were a wholesale federal effort to confiscate guns, you would once again see armed Americans standing up for their rights and not accepting servitude.




http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121747

... a government who forcibly denies the civil rights of its citizens has in effect already declared war on them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121788

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #61)

Fri May 3, 2013, 03:03 AM

67. "wholesale federal effort to confiscate guns"

 

We're not talking about that, are we? I thought we were talking about background checks

Perhaps you missed these two more recent ones. Or not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121754

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121806

People resisting having their guns confiscated, by force even, and the "violent overthrow of the federal government" are two different animals.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #17)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:51 PM

94. What's "the problem?" Specific quotes. In context. nt

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:03 AM

22. so.....you're offended and taking your ball home.....that solves everything

as a veteran I get pissed at the few who bitch about those who decided to serve...it happens fairly frequently

you didn't need a speech

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #22)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:51 AM

48. As a veteran I am FUCKING pissed they said the military would be traitors.

And join the motherfucking asswipe teabaggers.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #48)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:54 AM

65. That's not what they were saying.

They were saying that the federal troops would be on THEIR side in a civil war over guns.

But they're Democrats, despite the fact they don't talk about any issue other than guns, an issue on which they're aligned with Cruz/Paul, right down to the "of course I support expanded background checks, so long as they're not up for a vote."

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #22)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:35 PM

141. Some trolls have been smoked out from under their bridge

No complaints here.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:14 AM

32. I know how you feel.

I've felt the exact same way with certain amongst the climate doomers, and some of the Obama bashers. They are just as fucking irrational as the Gungeoneers, and are about as nasty with you when you disagree with them, so much so that I myself have considered leaving DU on occasion.

But don't give up on us yet, We are a very large community, and people like the gun fanatics, and climate doomers, and Obama bashers, are quite a small minority, and they don't represent most of US, let alone most Democrats(especially the first two, but the third as well). I hope you'll come back sometime.....

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #32)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:19 AM

40. +1

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #32)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:58 PM

107. "climate doomers" AverageJoe90? give it a rest.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #107)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:03 PM

108. Aww...so nice to see I'm recognized.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #108)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:04 PM

110. I didn't recognize you, just your signature idiocy

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #110)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:07 PM

111. It's nice to know that I'm loved, CD.

Now, if you don't mind....shoo.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #32)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:25 PM

114. Thank you, Joe.

No jokes, no sarcasm, just...thank you.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:24 AM

43. Over reaction

I think you might be over reacting, while some of the posts were confrontational; I didn't see any threats, just speculations which disagreed with your speculations.
Armed conflicts are sometimes unavoidable. I really hate to say that, but it's the simple truth. It's also true that people fight for some very stupid reasons. Such as hundreds of years of war over who were real christians.
That being said, the threat of firearm confiscation was enough for us to start one war already. The American Revolution began when the British attempted to seize the armory in Concord Ma. And a large number of military members, veterans, and civilians identify with the common legends from the Revolutionary period. An actual attempt to seize firearms on a large scale, will most probably, be met with fierce resistance.
Not everyone who defends firearm ownership is a "gun nut", not everyone who advocates gun control wants to strip everyone of their guns.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:33 AM

46. "but until DU takes a stand against violent rhetoric I can no longer participate in this site."

 

Don't tease me

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #46)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:41 PM

99. With which post my irony meter pegged.

I'll miss you most of all.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #46)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:20 PM

133. Dearly departed. I dance.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:44 AM

47. Thank you Bjorn. Some of that is disturbing.

People pretending they have an obligation to revolt. Puke.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:10 AM

49. +1=Yes, I have noticed that it seems to be getting much,much more violent and foreboding

 

I do believe the sole reason for wanting guns by the gun fans and NRA has now boiled down to overthrowing the government because of the hate for President Obama and Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Because every other reason for guns have been thoroughly debunked.

And lately, the biggest oddity I have found is in the reasons for not wanting a registry or for guns to be traced.

If I ask 100 random people if they had an alarm, would they publicize that fact, 100 would say Yes, they want a robber to know that an alarm will sound the police will be called and the hope is the perps would go to somewhere else, so they have a BIGGGGGG sign, that glows in the dark so all can see, and they keep the outdoor lights on.

Now, to a person, every single gun person does NOT want to have a sign that says
BEWARE IF YOU ENTER, GUN IN HOUSE
now, why would 100% of people advertise an alarm, and ZERO want to let anyone know there is a gun?

That makes ZERO sense.

The object is to get the perp to not come in, isn't it?

Ah, but there is the rub.
No, that is not the reason at all, is it?

NOPE.

So I do believe now the reason is, like the people who hoarded guns at Waco, they want to overthrow law enforcement and either state/local/or federal government.

And whether it is professionally run, or being instigated by say the media, both msm and alt-media, or even by the Bush family, that is the reason for guns.

Totally insane.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #49)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:18 AM

51. I am STILL not seeing the calls for an armed revolution. n/t

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #51)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:24 AM

52. It reminds me-why are those that defend the NRA/Guns now all seem to have few posts?

 

and the vast majority of those posts defend guns? (not to anyone specific).

I am a numbers person and have started to wonder-
What are the statistical odds of that?

Because a new person signing up, why would they gravitate to a democratic site in the first place, and then support guns?

What makes a new poster on any board sign up to be against doing things about guns?

(not referring to anyone specific, just got me thinking, as said, I am a numbers person and have loved stats, long before Nate Silver was born.)

Does someone go, HEY, I love the NRA and guns, first thing I gotta do is sign up at a democratic site.

never mind. Just wonderin'.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #52)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:35 AM

57. Answer is that the people who come to DU

only to express agreement with the Republican base aren't democrats.

These defenders of liberty have jack shit to say about marriage equality, a woman's right to choose, infringements on privacy by the state and corporations, energy, environment, labor, social security, foreign policy, terrorism, health care, etc.

All they want to talk about is guns.

Not difficult to figure out.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #52)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:52 AM

63. Yes, wondering can be fun. I like to wonder as well.

I usually just wonder (not aimed at anyone specific) why it is, that, the most anti ANY gun owners are usually the most authoritarian and worshipers of power on this board. You know, not aimed at ANYONE in particular. It is just a recurring theme I have noticed.

And as to your question about low post counts....well I have wondered about that as well. Does every 1 post on here raise your credibility a certain percentage? Or is it every 50? 100? At what number are you allowed to have an opinion on anything? Maybe, just maybe, a high post count might not be something to shoot for if it's just a lot of noise, like static on a radio. It is fun to wonder about things...especially on a crisp Friday morning.

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #63)

Fri May 3, 2013, 03:05 AM

68. FDR and LBJ,JFK,RFK,Teddy and Lincoln were authoritarians, so is the nut job at the NRA

 

I think you forget authoritarians are leaders.

All teachers are authoritarians.
All bartenders are authoritarians.
All chefs are authoritarians.
All librarians are authoritarians.
Cliff Claven is authoritarian.

I think some don't actually know the meaning of authoritarians and use it as a code word
wrongly, to sleight of hand a sinister(ooooooohhhhhhhh) meaning.
Code words, then used as shields. are you sure they aren't also totalitariansists and socialists and fascists and communists?

I know, in real life, Zimmy was an authoritarian, who point blank drew his gun and shot and killed a man to get a pumped up thrill kill notch on his belt.

what's that moving under the bed....BOOOOOOOO!
no it's in the back of the closet.......BOOOOOOOOOOO!
no, it's up on the ceiling.........BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!(as the gun slinger shoots at the lightbulb and it splatters broken glass all over the bed)

Crisp? I got my airconditioner on as I wait for 5am and the gym opening up.
authoritarian is the head of the club who don't keep it open 24 hours.
One thing we can agree on-in NY/NJ area, it is early Friday morning.(In California it is barely just Friday).

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #68)

Fri May 3, 2013, 03:16 AM

69. *shhhhsshshhhhhhhhhhhhhhshshhhhhhhhhhhh* Man this station NEVER comes in....

....just more static. Oh well another post my credibility has gone up by .346%!!!!!

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #69)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:33 AM

86. Ya made this low-count poster lol. n/t

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #52)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:04 PM

118. Gungeon recruits, NRA "volunteers,"

zombies, and sock puppets. So easy to spot, but so hard to eradicate.

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #51)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:06 AM

78. There aren't any. This is manufactured and coordinated.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #49)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:27 AM

54. It's insane to think you've debunked every reason for having a gun other than overthrow.

 

Personally I think that's a crazy statement.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:17 AM

50. BTW-he violent rhetoric here doesn't only exist in the gungeon.The burn it downs are everywhere

 

There have now been deniers of every recent event and it seemed like many supporters of that corrupt cop in California who went on a spree, and many believing that the two killers in Boston were framed. Seems like watching a movie and cheering the villians.
(and there is another just today cheering a 60s fugitive and denying there were any crimes committed by her, ).

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #50)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:33 AM

56. I think this thread

 

Last edited Fri May 3, 2013, 03:10 AM - Edit history (1)

and the temper tantrum OP it spun off in General Discussion illustrates why there is to be little hope of reasoned discourse with the True Believer faction of the gun control crowd. There's too much proclivity towards hair-trigger (no pun intended) leaps to mischaracterize and demonize anyone who takes issue with them. Even in the face of repeated promotion of the background checks law in this forum over the past months and beyond, they still advance the notion that we're against it and would even condone violence to prevent it. That kind of disconnect has to be intentional.

on edit: This post was meant to go in GC&RKBA, but it works just as well here.

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Response to sylvi (Reply #56)

Fri May 3, 2013, 09:52 PM

122. The PPRs are evidence of the contrary. n/t

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 02:47 AM

62. Gun owners are wanking off to fantasies of violent insurrection?

So what else is new?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 03:19 AM

70. I am for peace

but admittedly, not because of any virtue. Violence is like chemotherapy; it may be needed if it is a choice between certain death and life, and even then, it has every bit a chance to be as bad as a disease. Every revolution results in a lot of innocent people dead while the glory hounds on all sides congratulate themselves,stirring up more violence that becomes the end, not the means.

I understand there are some that truly believe that the United States, indeed, the world order, must be destroyed utterly before reforms can happen. I am not going to debate that here, but I will quote Voltaire when he said that "I may disagree with what you say, but defend to the death your right to say it." However, when you talk of killing, then you turn me off, because frankly, left wing, right wing, it all becomes a blood fest in the end. There is also the practical matter that as the oceans rise, the heat increases, we will need cooperation to survive, which means we need to make new myths and paradigms rather than the same old war stories.

And while I can see DU supporting speech, I do think they can condemn killing people. Let us call a thing a thing, war is killing people, once you strip all that poetry off it. I understand that civility here on DU has gone down the toilet; but frankly, we need to make some affirmative steps towards civility, and yes, that includes telling certain people in the Gungeon that they do NOT have the right to intimidate people.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #70)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:16 AM

79. Where is the "intimidation" you speak of?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #79)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:35 AM

87. talking about killing people

is not intimidating?

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #87)

Fri May 3, 2013, 12:46 PM

92. No one's doing any killing here, or threatening anyone here.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #92)

Sat May 4, 2013, 03:56 AM

146. so revolution will happen

over tea and cookies?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 05:33 AM

75. DU jumped the shark long ago.

This place is nothing more than a clown show nowadays.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #75)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:56 AM

89. LOL, yet you are spending time here? You can leave also! n-t

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #75)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:03 PM

109. Send in the clowns...

...they're already here...

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 05:48 AM

76. Wow ... Gungeonites abound in this thread ....

It's a swarm ....

I am always fascinated when the they emerge from their hive to go about their stinging in GD ....

Duly noted ...

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Response to Trajan (Reply #76)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:18 AM

80. Well, the stuff was posted in GD by a controller/banner.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #80)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:22 PM

136. And polluted by the (now) banned, lol.

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Response to Trajan (Reply #76)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:21 PM

134. Well two have been banned and one locked out, so far. LOL.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:32 AM

82. are you readijg the same thread you posted the link to?

I just scrolled down and didn't see anything like that or even a hidden post.

Looks like most are calling the "poll" BS

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:12 AM

84. So a poll conducted outside DU that, so far as you know, has no DU responders to it...

...makes you want to leave DU?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:26 AM

85. I was on one of the juries for that thread

and I was in the minority, I voted to hide it.

Yes a poster was making arguments that claimed violent insurrection was basically unavoidable, and he could understand the reasoning for it.

I was disappointed with the other jurors, except the one who also took the time to read the thread, and make the determination, that indeed they were defending the idea of violent insurrection against gun control advocates.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #85)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:11 PM

112. thanks for voting that way and the OP was PPR'd by the way

in other words, the jury was wrong.

you were right.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #112)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:19 PM

113. I use to have that group trashed then thought better of it.

A lot of those posters in there are also quite hostile to feminists.

hmmmm... what a suprise!

I take every opportunity I have to hide posts of gun nuttery.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:37 AM

88. Peace

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:57 AM

90. Ass. Door. You get it! n-t

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:31 PM

96. The gungeon is just a branch of FreeRepublic that happens to be hosted on DU. Just ignore it.

I'm not sure why the admins decided to grant an exception to the "DU is for Democrats" rule when it comes to guns (after, all, there are also some "Democrats" who, for example, oppose gay marriage, but they don't get a group to post their right-wing propaganda), but it is what it is. Now that there is a progressive gun group, there is no need to go in the gungeon anymore.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #96)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:44 PM

105. I have never read a post in the gungeon

I excuse myself from juries related to it.

and I have the group hidden.

I don't post, in general, on any gun thread topic here.

Until I see someone in GD complaining about it - that part of DU just doesn't exist for me, and I like that my DU experience doesn't include the gungeon.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #96)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:08 PM

119. +1000 n/t

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Response to DanTex (Reply #96)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:17 PM

128. You are right. But the cover they are given there seeps into GD and other fora. Close the Gungeon!

Worthless cesspool.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 01:56 PM

98. I'll miss you!!

 

Maybe you missed the thread where one of your buddies posted this.

There won't be any progress until we confiscate all guns and put all gun owners in re-education camps.


Here, let me hold the door for you.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 04:18 PM

100. Glad to see you're back n/t

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:12 PM

103. Another dramatic departure that never happened. Why do people do this??? n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #103)

Fri May 3, 2013, 06:41 PM

104. There were a few departures that did happen

When it became clear that the issue had been dealt with I no longer had any reason to leave.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #104)

Fri May 3, 2013, 07:36 PM

115. Cool story Bro!! I didn't even have a chance to miss you.

 

Maybe next time -- welcome back!!

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Response to CokeMachine (Reply #115)

Fri May 3, 2013, 08:16 PM

120. No, it's true. There was some addition by subtraction over the night

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #104)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:10 PM

123. Next time drop the drama. n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #123)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:15 PM

126. I really don't care what you think about how I fight back against right-wing trolls

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #126)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:18 PM

130. LOL, you now think the whole DU begged skinner to PPR the poster to keep you here! n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #130)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:23 PM

137. I never said anything remotely like that

I never said anything about the whole of DU doing anything for me, but I am pretty sure not too many people here will miss the three trolls who were banned.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:15 PM

127. Holdencaufield banned! Great news.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #127)

Sat May 4, 2013, 04:00 AM

148. About fucking time, again. See ya next incarnation, Oleg. nt

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:18 PM

131. What did I miss?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2013, 11:31 PM

144. Oh Good Grief....

Sigh.

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