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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPaterno's grand jury testimony is being read in court. He knew it was a sexual act.
Nate Bauer (@NateBauerBWI)
12/16/11 2:01 PM
Paterno: "Well, I dont know what you would call it. Obviously he was doing something with the youngster. It was a sexual nature."
Nate Bauer (@NateBauerBWI)
12/16/11 2:02 PM
"I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was taking place between Mr. Sandusky and a youngster."
Nate Bauer (@NateBauerBWI)
12/16/11 2:02 PM
Paterno: I ordinarily would have called people right away, but it was Saturday morning and I didnt want to interfere with peoples weekend
Follow @NateBauerBWI to get a transcribed versio.
Didn't want to interfere with people's weekends...... MEH!
They all should be under the jail!
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)He said it himself.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)I don't care how revered he was as a coach. By sitting back and doing nothing, he allowed countless other innocents to suffer needlessly.
Notice how quiet all on the Right are of late? They first came out, claiming the allegations were false. Then some claimed it was a liberal plot. Now? Nothing. The silence is deafening. But not surprising.
Initech
(99,915 posts)And I hear they do some really bad things to child molestors in prison.
The thing is Sandusky shot himself in the foot from day one by going on that Costas interview, and then hiring a lawyer who's just as big of a fucking creep as he is, if not more so.
I agree that he shouldn't be able to get away with it, and he can have any number of lawyers in the world - there's no good way to spin this. None.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)The idea of letting my client get on national T & V with a well prepared journalist, RIGHT.
That was unbelievably dumb, perhaps close to malpractice.
that leaves two possibilities:
A) they are working on a mental incapacity defense
B) they are working on an ineffectual counsel defense.
Either way, the only questions that remain are how well done do you want your goose? Gravy or no?
Initech
(99,915 posts)While his attorney was sitting next to Bob Costas! That's the part that still kills me.
But let me ask you this - say you are the prosecutor on this case and you have to look at every angle of both your client, and the person who is being prosecuted. Would the prosecutee's choice of defense, like Sandusky's choice of the guy who impregnated a teenage girl at age 50, have an impact on not only how the case is presented, would that already affect how the trial is presented to the judge and jury, would that pursuade the verdict either way?
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)that they were going for ineffectual counsel defense--cause I just don't see any way they can win this case, especially with Sandusky going on the air and admitting that he was naked in the shower with an under-age boy.
a simple pattern
(608 posts)All of a sudden.
livetohike
(22,084 posts)I'm so embarrassed to be from Pennsylvania. We are better than this!
yellowcanine
(35,692 posts)In addition to embarrassed, ashamed and SHOCKED, I am PISSED.
If ever there was a case to be made for mandatory retirement of coaches at say - 65, Joe Paterno has made it. Or better yet - term limits. Most university presidents, deans and department chairs cannot server more than a specified number of years - usually around 10. Maybe it is time to institute that for NCAA coaches. Power corrupts. It is time to stop allowing coaching dynasties to develop.
livetohike
(22,084 posts)I'm pissed and I'm an IUP alum! College sports have become a business. I guess the money kept pouring in, so no one wanted to "rock the boat" and suggest Paterno retire years ago.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:41 PM - Edit history (1)
My father is 67 years old and would treat the molestation of a child as seriously as he would have at 37. JoePa would have done the same thing were it 30 years previous. Sometimes bad decisions are just part of a man's makeup.
yellowcanine
(35,692 posts)contributed to a certain mentality of entitlement and "I AM Penn State Football" . I think a similar thing might have happened with Woody Hayes at Ohio State. His transgression obviously was not anywhere near of the same nature but the mindset of "I can do no wrong" is what I am thinking about. I think a younger Joe Paterno just might have responded differently. And there is little question in my mind that if an older Joe Paterno had known about a child being abused at some other location by someone not connected to Penn State football he might have responded very differently. He just could not seem to get past his loyalty to Sandusky and the Penn State Football program.
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Reveals a great deal about Paterno's worldview, I'm afraid.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... if he'd been allowed to stay on to the end of the season.
It depends on people's priorities Joe! You obviously need to revisit those along with your conscience! I'm guessing that factored heavily in to the reasons for firing him.
fishwax
(29,146 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)I can't imagine anything MORE important at that time than protecting that young boy.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Pete Thamel (@PeteThamelNYT)
12/16/11 2:14 PM
RT @OnwardState: Curley says McQueary did not indicate sexual contact of any kind. Used the word "horsing around" and "wrestling."
Pete Thamel (@PeteThamelNYT)
12/16/11 2:12 PM
RT @PatriotNews: Curley: It was my decision not to report 2002 incident to the police because I didn't think a crime had been committed.
Somebody's lying. Everybody up the line knew it was sexual, but it stops with Curley?
Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)I ordinarily would have called people right away, but it was Saturday morning and I didnt want to interfere with peoples weekend
Spazito
(49,765 posts)"I ordinarily would have called people right away, but it was Saturday morning and I didnt want to interfere with peoples weekend"
aquart
(69,014 posts)JitterbugPerfume
(18,183 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)can't be calling people then...
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Anna Orso (@annaorso)
12/16/11 2:33 PM
Schultz: I think we decided it would be appropriate to just say to Jerry, you shouldn't be bringing Second Mile kids onto campus.
So they left the kids at Second Mile to be abused. ASSHOLES!
yellowcanine
(35,692 posts)want to interfere with peoples weekend.
REALLY!!?? REALLY!!?? What, the POLICE in State College aren't on duty on weekends? Or is that just when there is a home football game? Criminy, I have heard less pathetic excuses from grade school kids.
Didn't want to interfere with people's weekend? Which people's would that be? Sandusky's, the victim, the victim's parents, the police, YOURS, who? I got news for you Joe. The victim's weekend was already "interfered with" and his LIFE, for that matter. Did you even once think about that?
Ohio Joe
(21,656 posts)That POS should be in jail.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)So, clearly he changed his mind on the whole weekend thing. Would like to see the actual transcript on that.
The SUNDAY meeting at Paterno's house in on the record in the Grand Jury presentment, by the way.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)The behavior of those involved is not normal!
malaise
(267,824 posts)This is beyond a cover up
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)How can one say such asinine things? I think I would have preferred to hear him say: These kids were insignificant to me in comparison to the football program.
Its a disgusting sentiment ... but, a more honest one.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)Because of men whose positions led them to put their personal welfare above the abuse of children.
the only good thing about this moment is that it has put all athletic programs on notice. education that results from such trials is the only way to turn the horrid actions of people acting as representatives of an institution into something that can make the future better.
I hope the Penn State football program is shut down forever.
Pachamama
(16,875 posts)- JoePa acknowledges that Mike Mcqueary did indeed speak to him and reported the act...and it was inappropriate
- JoePa acknowledges it was a sexual act....with a youngster
-joePa acknowledges he DIDNT call people quickly....the excuse/reason is that he didnt want to interfere with people's weekend
Wow....just disgusting and very revealing....the head priest of the Church of Penn State Football decided that people deserved to have a pleasant weekend filled with football and not interfered with by the unpleasant details that Sandusky is a pedophile who rapes children!!
Yeah, all those that defend the holy JoePa as being a nice old man who could never do anything bad....
Now we know why Paterno lawyered up....
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)The heads of the entire Penn State leadership need to roll.
greyghost
(1,675 posts)will and should suspend PSU for this travesty. It clearly falls under the unethical practices provisions in the NCAA bylaws. Any one who thinks otherwise is simply whistling past the graveyard.
Pachamama
(16,875 posts)SMU got the death penalty for what many would consider to be a minor infraction compared to the scale of what has been done at Penn State....
I keep hoping that the current inquiry that the NCAA is conducting will result in their being made an example. I think the NCAA needs to send a powerful message that something like this should never have happened and needs to be prevented and comes with very, very harsh consequences...