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Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:50 AM

Terrorist Attacks During The Bush Administration:

From: http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/04/23/foxs-bolling-bush-kept-us-safe-from-91201-until/193745
1. 9/11
2. DC Sniper Terrorist Shootings
3. Anthrax attacks
4. Shoe bomber (albeit, i failed)
5. Center for Urban Horticulture destroyed. ELF members plead guilty.
6. Tacoma, Washington abortion clinic bombing
7. Attack at LAX against El Al ticket counter
8. Hughes & Dunahoe firebomb abortion clinic
9. Women’s Health Clinic bombed in Palm Beach burned
10. SUV attack at UNC
11. Seattle Jewish Federation shooting, Egyptian shoots six
12. McMenemy abortion clinic arson attempt. Not an actual clinic, he was mistaken.
13. IEDs tossed at Mexican Consulate in NYC.
14. Altman & Baca arrested for the abortion clinic arson
15. Planned Parenthood arson in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
16. IED attacked attempted at women’s health clinic in Austin
17. Virginia Tech Shootings
18. Dr. Nicholas Barth right-wing terrorism in NY
19. Dr. Tiller killed at the hands of a right-wing terrorist who worshiped Fox News and O'Reilly
20. 12 embassy attacks under his watch (where is the fake Benghazi-like outrage?)

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:52 AM

1. You fogot the guy who crashed his plane into an IRS building.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:57 AM

2. Oh that's right!

That was right here near me in Austin.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:07 AM

4. um....

that happened in 2010

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:58 AM

3. You forgot the countless attacks on our service men and women in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:45 AM

7. How was Iraq not a terrorist attack itself? Shock and awe?

 

How many Iraqi innocents were turned into a pink mist that night, with the lie about WMD?
Our bombing of wedding parties in Afghanistan.

We had no business in either place. Those 'attacks' on our service men and women, were/are not terrorist attacks against us, those were people defending their county against foreign invaders, namely us, U.S.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:37 AM

5. Add the Murder of congregants at a Liberal UU church in Kentucky

Deranged Fan of Bill Reilly and far right talk stormed a church service and gunned down grandparents in front of thier grand children because he hated liberals.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:43 AM

6. Do We Give Too Much Attention to Terrorist Attacks?

Interesting article by 2012 Democratic Congressional candidate Andy Schmookler:

http://bluevirginia.us/diary/9180/do-we-give-too-much-attention-to-terrorist-attacks

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:55 AM

8. Great list! Now let's see a list of

terrorist attacks PERPETRATED by the Bush Administration.

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Response to Aldo Leopold (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 11:34 AM

16. didn't the Anthrax attacks originate from a US Military Installation

weren't the Anthrax attacks aimed a political opponents and media critics of the Commander and Chief.

And yet, these connections fall right through the memory of the national media--keepers of the public trust.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:36 AM

9. Benghazi hearings will be

mainly against Hilliary Clinton because GOPers are very afraid, 2016. As we already know, Issa and his goons will have hearings all the way up to 2016 on anything against Pres O adm. and Dems, for GOPers believe that GAWD has anointed them as savior of America, hallelujah!

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 10:04 AM

10. To be fair, attacks on abortion clinics, women's health centers & Planned Parenthood don't count.

Those aren't terrorism--those are the acts of righteous crusaders defending the most vulnerable among us won't someone please oh please think of the children?!?!?

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Response to Orrex (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 10:24 AM

12. Not sure this is any different logic than any terrorist would use...

 

...wouldn't any terrorist consider that their cause as righteous and in the name of protecting something? You have simply inserted your views on what you believe is important, but to the Jihadi in Pakistan, they are protecting something that is just as important to them. That still makes them a terrorist though when they murder others to promote their cause or instill fear.

Bottom line is this: When one blows something up or attacks something or people violently with the goal of instilling fear, which in both the cases of the planned parenthood attacks and Jihadist attacks is true, it is by definition terrorism.

Those listed in the OP count as terrorism in my book.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 10:23 AM

11. Thanks for posting

Memory seems to be selective with some republicans.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 10:35 AM

13. Do the Virginia Tech shootings meet the definition of terrorist attack?

 

federally speaking.

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Response to Jake Izzy (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 11:31 AM

15. Probably Not. See Definitions in my Post.

Here are some definitions of terrorism both dictionary and legal. It seems none of the mass shooting qualify as terrorism. They all seem to lack the intent of coercing/intimidation in them. They're more random acts of violence.

On the other hand, it would appear Tim McVeigh's bombing of the Murrow federal building was terrorism because of its political/social agenda. He said in his letters that he bombed the building after Waco and: "I reached the decision to go on the offensive - to put a check on government abuse of power, where others had failed in stopping the federal juggernaut running amok,". That sure seems to fit the most of the definitions of terror listed below. Of course, the Patriot Act didn't exist yet and I believe the government really only had a definition of International Terrorism on the books at the time of McVeigh's bombing. I don't believe they had anything much pertaining to domestic terrorism.

"Borrowing a page from US foreign policy, I decided to send a message to a government that was becoming increasingly hostile, by bombing a government building and the government employees within that building who represent that government." Definitions of terrorism:

Merriam-Websters: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion (terror: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror> )

Dictionary.com: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

The Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as:

The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

The FBI defines terrorism as:

The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

From Federal Patriot Act:

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act ""dangerous to human life"" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.

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Response to Jake Izzy (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 06:09 PM

17. Welcome to DU my friend!

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 10:40 AM

14. They're not even acknowledging 9/11!

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