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"If men could get pregnant…" (Original Post) MrScorpio Apr 2013 OP
Absolutely! LOL haikugal Apr 2013 #1
They riffed that from me... trumad Apr 2013 #2
oldy but goody: if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament phantom power Apr 2013 #3
This opinion is faith-based, not evidence-based. More men than women are pro-choice. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #4
Most of the religious groups who lobby legislators are headed by men ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #6
It seems unlikely to happen on average, given that it hasn't had that effect on women. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #9
most women are pro-choice noiretextatique Apr 2013 #18
I believe that is true, but not by much. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #21
here's an interesting read about anti-choice women noiretextatique Apr 2013 #29
You're assuming the standards they set for everyone else are the same as their own Major Nikon Apr 2013 #40
You're right loyalsister Apr 2013 #51
I think a majority of men are pro-choice, definitely in the last twenty years ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #56
Whooooosh MattBaggins Apr 2013 #8
This must be the poll: Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #33
+1...Sadly, the right wing doesn't have a complete monopoly on faith based beliefs abq e streeter Apr 2013 #50
If men could get pregnant, there'd be no abortion "debate" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #5
And women would already be on the front lines in our military marshall Apr 2013 #7
Or as my Gmom used to say "...birth control and abortion would be sacraments." n/t woodsprite Apr 2013 #10
No, not abortion clinics, it hurts. Morning after pills vended like condoms in the men's room. freshwest Apr 2013 #11
Damn straight libodem Apr 2013 #12
Looks like it has happened... AnotherDreamWeaver Apr 2013 #13
and if men had to fight in wars and work in coal mines hfojvt Apr 2013 #14
you are missing the point Skittles Apr 2013 #17
You mean like these two? snooper2 Apr 2013 #19
Maggie and Babs? Skittles Apr 2013 #22
yeah, they are women right? snooper2 Apr 2013 #23
VERY debatable Skittles Apr 2013 #24
They are men in drag. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #41
In the 80's Zoonart Apr 2013 #15
they'd NEVER have more than one baby Skittles Apr 2013 #16
That's what my mother always said OhioChick Apr 2013 #27
If it were up to men to have babies . jambo101 Apr 2013 #20
couple hundred thousand emperor penguins would like to have a word with you snooper2 Apr 2013 #25
In all men were Penguins ThoughtCriminal Apr 2013 #44
Then why would we need women anymore? davidn3600 Apr 2013 #26
You don't need women now. Triana Apr 2013 #30
That isn't "what women do". That is what some women choose to do. leeroysphitz Apr 2013 #37
Like it or not most women don't CHOOSE to do 80% of household & child-rearing themselves Triana Apr 2013 #39
Nice little fantasy for feminist and pro-feminist progressives to feel self satisfied with, but abq e streeter Apr 2013 #28
Gallup? whttevrr Apr 2013 #32
No...Just various ones from various polling organizations abq e streeter Apr 2013 #34
so there are a bunch of patriarchial women noiretextatique Apr 2013 #46
Simply pointing out the fallacy of "If men could have abortions...." abq e streeter Apr 2013 #47
it is not a fairy tale noiretextatique Apr 2013 #48
"Damn the statistics, this is what i believe." abq e streeter Apr 2013 #49
all the statistics prove is that some women noiretextatique Apr 2013 #52
If men could get pregnant Leslie Valley Apr 2013 #31
The humble seahorse would disagree. n/t leeroysphitz Apr 2013 #38
Morning-after pills would come in a big snack bag, and leave orange residue on your fingers. nt agracie Apr 2013 #35
If men could get pregnant we would show females how it is done. n/t leeroysphitz Apr 2013 #36
human beings would cease to exist within one generation. nt madinmaryland Apr 2013 #42
If men could get pregnant, they'd be women. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #43
I would gobble morning after pills like they are candy. Crowman1979 Apr 2013 #45
If men could get pregnant…Abortion would be the 11th commandment TeamPooka Apr 2013 #53
If men could get pregnant…paternity leave would be in the Constitution. TeamPooka Apr 2013 #54
If men could get pregnant...we not have the words sibling, brother or sister. TeamPooka Apr 2013 #55
 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
2. They riffed that from me...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:06 PM
Apr 2013

10 years ago on this forum I said the same thing except with Texaco gas stations.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
4. This opinion is faith-based, not evidence-based. More men than women are pro-choice.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:17 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)

(To be accurate: more studies have found that more men than women are pro-choice than vice versa, I've seen at least one implying the contrary).

But such very limited evidence as their is suggests that if men could get pregnant, it's more likely that abortion would be harder to obtain than easier.

On edit: "More studies have found" should probably be "I've seen more studies finding" - I haven't done any kind of systematic search, and someone's just linked another poll showing the reverse.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
6. Most of the religious groups who lobby legislators are headed by men
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:20 PM
Apr 2013

And most of those legislators are men.

You don't think more than a few might drop their pushback if they too could get pregnant?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
9. It seems unlikely to happen on average, given that it hasn't had that effect on women.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:25 PM
Apr 2013

If being able to get pregnant made one more likely to support abortion rights, you'd expect more women than men to support them.

So while being able to get pregnant might make some men more pro-choice, the (very limited) best evidence we have suggests that if anything it would probably make more of them more anti-choice.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
18. most women are pro-choice
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:18 PM
Apr 2013

if men could get pregnant, they would likely also be considered more responsible for child-rearing, as are women. that alone might change a lot of anti-choice males.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
29. here's an interesting read about anti-choice women
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:41 PM
Apr 2013
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/03/23/196301/--The-only-moral-abortion-is-MY-abortion-by-Joyce-Arthur#

i can see how an anti-choice woman might change her mind, if only because of selfishness...or a belief in exceptionalism. i can't see a severely anti-choice male changing his mind about abortion, even if his wife or daughter was raped.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
51. You're right
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:25 PM
Apr 2013

If a majority of men were pro-choice, Roe vs. Wade would have been codified in federal law long ago.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
56. I think a majority of men are pro-choice, definitely in the last twenty years
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:55 PM
Apr 2013

But that doesn't mean they are out campaigning and lobbying in the same numbers the anti men are. It's the same passivity that keeps gay marriage from being legal.

abq e streeter

(7,658 posts)
50. +1...Sadly, the right wing doesn't have a complete monopoly on faith based beliefs
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:12 PM
Apr 2013

that fly in the face of facts and numbers. "If men could get pregnant, blah blah blah" fits many people's belief system, and as we observe on the right every day, it's so much easier to just believe than acknowledge facts.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. No, not abortion clinics, it hurts. Morning after pills vended like condoms in the men's room.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:28 PM
Apr 2013

Hubby invited me to see one in a gas station men's room. Or at least they used to have 'em, like women's rooms had tampon dispensers.

Nowadays, though, it appears that pregnancy and STDs are not to be prevented, just written off as GawdsPlanForYourLife/Death©.

Or some such nonsense. The Idiocracy, it burns.

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,846 posts)
13. Looks like it has happened...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:47 PM
Apr 2013

I was reading "Divine Intervention" by Hazel Courteney and she said it would happen. I did a little search, and looks like it has happened: http://www.malepregnancy.com/mingwei/

When I was a kid I heard some insurance company in the UK had set aside a lot of money for the first guy who got pregnant, wonder if he collected...

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
14. and if men had to fight in wars and work in coal mines
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:51 PM
Apr 2013

then those would be perfectly safe too

because the world has been designed to make sure nothing bad ever happens to a man.

Skittles

(152,918 posts)
17. you are missing the point
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:13 PM
Apr 2013

try to look at it this way - if women made all the rules for war and coal mines

Zoonart

(11,704 posts)
15. In the 80's
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:04 PM
Apr 2013

Back in the 80's when I volunteered as an escort for a clinic in PA, we used to say:
"If men could get pregnant - abortion would be a sacrament."

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
30. You don't need women now.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:54 PM
Apr 2013

There are test tubes and incubators and surrogates (whom you need have nothing to do with after they've incubated your kid). As far as the pleasure aspect of the whole mess - well you can "handle" that yourself too.

But you have to clean your own toilet, do your own laundry and cooking and vacuum your own floors, change the diapers and clean up the puke and run the little varmits all over the place until they're old enough to drive and take time off work to do it all yourself while saving for their college and your own retirement. That's what women do.

 

leeroysphitz

(10,462 posts)
37. That isn't "what women do". That is what some women choose to do.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:56 PM
Apr 2013

In my house I do all those chores and more. I enjoy the structure of housework and shuttling the kids. It's a good routine ruined only because I also work from home. My wife is now the main earner. She would laugh hearing you consign all other women to toil and drudgery.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
39. Like it or not most women don't CHOOSE to do 80% of household & child-rearing themselves
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:41 PM
Apr 2013

Most are not IN your situation. Or your wife's situation. It's not a CHOICE. They either DO it themselves or it doesn't get done. Then, the neighbors and friends gawp at what a mess her house and kids are. That's how it is for MOST women.

Maybe not you & your wife -- but your situation is sadly the exception and not the rule.

abq e streeter

(7,658 posts)
28. Nice little fantasy for feminist and pro-feminist progressives to feel self satisfied with, but
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:41 PM
Apr 2013

as has been already pointed out, studies over the years have consistently shown approximately equal percentages of pro choice men and women.

abq e streeter

(7,658 posts)
34. No...Just various ones from various polling organizations
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:38 PM
Apr 2013

that I have seen over the course of probably 2 decades. And the results have stayed amazingly consistent from one pollster to another ,and one year or one decade to another. Nice try though.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
46. so there are a bunch of patriarchial women
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 12:49 PM
Apr 2013

doesn't change the reality of male-dominated legislatures drafting laws to restrict abortion rights...right now.

abq e streeter

(7,658 posts)
47. Simply pointing out the fallacy of "If men could have abortions...."
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 12:55 PM
Apr 2013

These republican men (with their millions of female supporters) are a national disgrace, to put it mildly. But it seems to be an undying liberal fairy tale to believe, falsely, and despite all evidence to the contrary, that it would all be different if men could get pregnant, when in fact, men are every bit as equally pro-choice as women(and I've seen polls in which men were slightly more pro choice than women. But overall, the numbers are give or take about even)

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
48. it is not a fairy tale
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:00 PM
Apr 2013

it is about patriarchial control of women, including the assumption that women are too emotional, etc, to make tough moral decisions. if men could get preganant there would be ZERO discussion about the state's imperative to "protect" something in men's bodies. it would not even be an issue, and that's the truth.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
52. all the statistics prove is that some women
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 02:06 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Wed Apr 24, 2013, 03:23 PM - Edit history (1)

are as willing to control women as some men. and even those stupid women wouldn't have a problem with men controlling their own bodies.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
43. If men could get pregnant, they'd be women.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:54 PM
Apr 2013

Women would be men. And everything would be the same as it is now.

Always found this to be a dumb argument.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
45. I would gobble morning after pills like they are candy.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 11:53 AM
Apr 2013

There is nothing more painful than something solid emerging from your urinary tract. We all know that kidney stones are painful, now imagine something 10-20 times that size coming out. GGGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIDDDDDD!!!!!

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