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Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:04 PM

"If men could get pregnant…"

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Reply "If men could get pregnant…" (Original post)
MrScorpio Apr 2013 OP
haikugal Apr 2013 #1
trumad Apr 2013 #2
phantom power Apr 2013 #3
Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #4
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #6
Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #9
noiretextatique Apr 2013 #18
Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #21
noiretextatique Apr 2013 #29
Major Nikon Apr 2013 #40
loyalsister Apr 2013 #51
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #56
MattBaggins Apr 2013 #8
Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #33
abq e streeter Apr 2013 #50
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #5
marshall Apr 2013 #7
woodsprite Apr 2013 #10
freshwest Apr 2013 #11
libodem Apr 2013 #12
AnotherDreamWeaver Apr 2013 #13
hfojvt Apr 2013 #14
Skittles Apr 2013 #17
snooper2 Apr 2013 #19
Skittles Apr 2013 #22
snooper2 Apr 2013 #23
Skittles Apr 2013 #24
smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #41
Zoonart Apr 2013 #15
Skittles Apr 2013 #16
OhioChick Apr 2013 #27
jambo101 Apr 2013 #20
snooper2 Apr 2013 #25
ThoughtCriminal Apr 2013 #44
davidn3600 Apr 2013 #26
Triana Apr 2013 #30
leeroysphitz Apr 2013 #37
Triana Apr 2013 #39
abq e streeter Apr 2013 #28
whttevrr Apr 2013 #32
abq e streeter Apr 2013 #34
noiretextatique Apr 2013 #46
abq e streeter Apr 2013 #47
noiretextatique Apr 2013 #48
abq e streeter Apr 2013 #49
noiretextatique Apr 2013 #52
Leslie Valley Apr 2013 #31
leeroysphitz Apr 2013 #38
agracie Apr 2013 #35
leeroysphitz Apr 2013 #36
madinmaryland Apr 2013 #42
MrSlayer Apr 2013 #43
Crowman1979 Apr 2013 #45
TeamPooka Apr 2013 #53
TeamPooka Apr 2013 #54
TeamPooka Apr 2013 #55

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:06 PM

1. Absolutely! LOL

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:06 PM

2. They riffed that from me...

10 years ago on this forum I said the same thing except with Texaco gas stations.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:07 PM

3. oldy but goody: if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:17 PM

4. This opinion is faith-based, not evidence-based. More men than women are pro-choice.

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(To be accurate: more studies have found that more men than women are pro-choice than vice versa, I've seen at least one implying the contrary).

But such very limited evidence as their is suggests that if men could get pregnant, it's more likely that abortion would be harder to obtain than easier.

On edit: "More studies have found" should probably be "I've seen more studies finding" - I haven't done any kind of systematic search, and someone's just linked another poll showing the reverse.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:20 PM

6. Most of the religious groups who lobby legislators are headed by men

And most of those legislators are men.

You don't think more than a few might drop their pushback if they too could get pregnant?

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:25 PM

9. It seems unlikely to happen on average, given that it hasn't had that effect on women.

If being able to get pregnant made one more likely to support abortion rights, you'd expect more women than men to support them.

So while being able to get pregnant might make some men more pro-choice, the (very limited) best evidence we have suggests that if anything it would probably make more of them more anti-choice.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:18 PM

18. most women are pro-choice

if men could get pregnant, they would likely also be considered more responsible for child-rearing, as are women. that alone might change a lot of anti-choice males.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:22 PM

21. I believe that is true, but not by much. N.T.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:41 PM

29. here's an interesting read about anti-choice women

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/03/23/196301/--The-only-moral-abortion-is-MY-abortion-by-Joyce-Arthur#

i can see how an anti-choice woman might change her mind, if only because of selfishness...or a belief in exceptionalism. i can't see a severely anti-choice male changing his mind about abortion, even if his wife or daughter was raped.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:42 PM

40. You're assuming the standards they set for everyone else are the same as their own

Im not so convinced.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:25 PM

51. You're right

If a majority of men were pro-choice, Roe vs. Wade would have been codified in federal law long ago.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #51)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:55 PM

56. I think a majority of men are pro-choice, definitely in the last twenty years

But that doesn't mean they are out campaigning and lobbying in the same numbers the anti men are. It's the same passivity that keeps gay marriage from being legal.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:23 PM

8. Whooooosh

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:25 PM

33. This must be the poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154946/non-christians-postgrads-highly-pro-choice.aspx

In that poll, more men than women are pro life, not pro choice.

It's also interesting that most Americans are pro life.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:12 PM

50. +1...Sadly, the right wing doesn't have a complete monopoly on faith based beliefs

that fly in the face of facts and numbers. "If men could get pregnant, blah blah blah" fits many people's belief system, and as we observe on the right every day, it's so much easier to just believe than acknowledge facts.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:19 PM

5. If men could get pregnant, there'd be no abortion "debate"

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:21 PM

7. And women would already be on the front lines in our military

Those lines in the sand would not exist.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:28 PM

10. Or as my Gmom used to say "...birth control and abortion would be sacraments." n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:28 PM

11. No, not abortion clinics, it hurts. Morning after pills vended like condoms in the men's room.

Hubby invited me to see one in a gas station men's room. Or at least they used to have 'em, like women's rooms had tampon dispensers.

Nowadays, though, it appears that pregnancy and STDs are not to be prevented, just written off as GawdsPlanForYourLife/Death©.

Or some such nonsense. The Idiocracy, it burns.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:42 PM

12. Damn straight

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:47 PM

13. Looks like it has happened...

I was reading "Divine Intervention" by Hazel Courteney and she said it would happen. I did a little search, and looks like it has happened: http://www.malepregnancy.com/mingwei/

When I was a kid I heard some insurance company in the UK had set aside a lot of money for the first guy who got pregnant, wonder if he collected...

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:51 PM

14. and if men had to fight in wars and work in coal mines

then those would be perfectly safe too

because the world has been designed to make sure nothing bad ever happens to a man.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:13 PM

17. you are missing the point

try to look at it this way - if women made all the rules for war and coal mines

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:20 PM

19. You mean like these two?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:28 PM

22. Maggie and Babs?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:30 PM

23. yeah, they are women right?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:32 PM

24. VERY debatable

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:47 PM

41. They are men in drag.

Seriously, look at them.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:04 PM

15. In the 80's

Back in the 80's when I volunteered as an escort for a clinic in PA, we used to say:
"If men could get pregnant - abortion would be a sacrament."

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:13 PM

16. they'd NEVER have more than one baby

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Response to Skittles (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:38 PM

27. That's what my mother always said

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:22 PM

20. If it were up to men to have babies .

We'd be extinct as a species..

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Response to jambo101 (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:36 PM

25. couple hundred thousand emperor penguins would like to have a word with you

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 09:51 AM

44. In all men were Penguins

Batman would never get a day off.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:36 PM

26. Then why would we need women anymore?

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:54 PM

30. You don't need women now.

There are test tubes and incubators and surrogates (whom you need have nothing to do with after they've incubated your kid). As far as the pleasure aspect of the whole mess - well you can "handle" that yourself too.

But you have to clean your own toilet, do your own laundry and cooking and vacuum your own floors, change the diapers and clean up the puke and run the little varmits all over the place until they're old enough to drive and take time off work to do it all yourself while saving for their college and your own retirement. That's what women do.

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Response to Triana (Reply #30)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:56 PM

37. That isn't "what women do". That is what some women choose to do.

In my house I do all those chores and more. I enjoy the structure of housework and shuttling the kids. It's a good routine ruined only because I also work from home. My wife is now the main earner. She would laugh hearing you consign all other women to toil and drudgery.

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Response to leeroysphitz (Reply #37)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:41 PM

39. Like it or not most women don't CHOOSE to do 80% of household & child-rearing themselves

Most are not IN your situation. Or your wife's situation. It's not a CHOICE. They either DO it themselves or it doesn't get done. Then, the neighbors and friends gawp at what a mess her house and kids are. That's how it is for MOST women.

Maybe not you & your wife -- but your situation is sadly the exception and not the rule.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:41 PM

28. Nice little fantasy for feminist and pro-feminist progressives to feel self satisfied with, but

as has been already pointed out, studies over the years have consistently shown approximately equal percentages of pro choice men and women.

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Response to abq e streeter (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:03 PM

32. Gallup?

You do realize that Gallup was projecting a Romney win for quite a while, right?

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Response to whttevrr (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:38 PM

34. No...Just various ones from various polling organizations

that I have seen over the course of probably 2 decades. And the results have stayed amazingly consistent from one pollster to another ,and one year or one decade to another. Nice try though.

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Response to abq e streeter (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 12:49 PM

46. so there are a bunch of patriarchial women

doesn't change the reality of male-dominated legislatures drafting laws to restrict abortion rights...right now.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 12:55 PM

47. Simply pointing out the fallacy of "If men could have abortions...."

These republican men (with their millions of female supporters) are a national disgrace, to put it mildly. But it seems to be an undying liberal fairy tale to believe, falsely, and despite all evidence to the contrary, that it would all be different if men could get pregnant, when in fact, men are every bit as equally pro-choice as women(and I've seen polls in which men were slightly more pro choice than women. But overall, the numbers are give or take about even)

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Response to abq e streeter (Reply #47)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:00 PM

48. it is not a fairy tale

it is about patriarchial control of women, including the assumption that women are too emotional, etc, to make tough moral decisions. if men could get preganant there would be ZERO discussion about the state's imperative to "protect" something in men's bodies. it would not even be an issue, and that's the truth.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #48)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:07 PM

49. "Damn the statistics, this is what i believe."

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Response to abq e streeter (Reply #49)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 02:06 PM

52. all the statistics prove is that some women

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are as willing to control women as some men. and even those stupid women wouldn't have a problem with men controlling their own bodies.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:55 PM

31. If men could get pregnant

 

They would be women.

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Response to Leslie Valley (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:57 PM

38. The humble seahorse would disagree. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:45 PM

35. Morning-after pills would come in a big snack bag, and leave orange residue on your fingers. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:49 PM

36. If men could get pregnant we would show females how it is done. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:51 PM

42. human beings would cease to exist within one generation. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:54 PM

43. If men could get pregnant, they'd be women.

 

Women would be men. And everything would be the same as it is now.

Always found this to be a dumb argument.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 11:53 AM

45. I would gobble morning after pills like they are candy.

There is nothing more painful than something solid emerging from your urinary tract. We all know that kidney stones are painful, now imagine something 10-20 times that size coming out. GGGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIDDDDDD!!!!!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 02:52 PM

53. If men could get pregnant…Abortion would be the 11th commandment

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 02:53 PM

54. If men could get pregnant…paternity leave would be in the Constitution.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 02:55 PM

55. If men could get pregnant...we not have the words sibling, brother or sister.

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