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Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:21 PM

Before and After

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Reply Before and After (Original post)
1monster Apr 2013 OP
Timbuk3 Apr 2013 #1
fleur-de-lisa Apr 2013 #2
Warpy Apr 2013 #3
ReRe Apr 2013 #4
xtraxritical Apr 2013 #5
Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2013 #40
xtraxritical Apr 2013 #44
Samantha Apr 2013 #6
jeff47 Apr 2013 #7
Brigid Apr 2013 #8
ellennelle Apr 2013 #9
freshwest Apr 2013 #28
1monster Apr 2013 #32
AzDar Apr 2013 #10
HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #11
SunSeeker Apr 2013 #12
Coyotl Apr 2013 #13
ErikJ Apr 2013 #14
tblue Apr 2013 #15
a kennedy Apr 2013 #33
lexw Apr 2013 #16
awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #17
lexw Apr 2013 #20
awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #22
lexw Apr 2013 #23
awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #24
lexw Apr 2013 #25
awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #26
lexw Apr 2013 #27
awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #37
1monster Apr 2013 #38
Lobo27 Apr 2013 #18
lexw Apr 2013 #21
HiPointDem Apr 2013 #19
cantbeserious Apr 2013 #29
madokie Apr 2013 #30
GoCubsGo Apr 2013 #31
Bettie Apr 2013 #34
L0oniX Apr 2013 #35
h2ebits Apr 2013 #36
LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #39
Little Star Apr 2013 #41
Boomerproud Apr 2013 #42
Still Sensible Apr 2013 #43

Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:24 PM

1. K & R

The hero worship of this monster must end.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:02 AM

2. K & R - evil bastard. - n/t

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:30 AM

3. More people need to see this.

So I sent it out to a big mail list.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:30 AM

4. History tells a story...

K&R

...especially when referring to Ronald Reagan.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:32 AM

5. It was during Reagan's tenure that the streets were flooded with homeless people.

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:06 PM

40. Yes indeed

I remember seeing many of them in the Uptown section of Chicago. Not only were they homeless, many were unmedicated schizophrenics left to wander alone and abandoned. Some did not even have the wherewithal to beg. Sickening!

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Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #40)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:19 PM

44. Hey, I worked in Uptown at that same time, I think it was on Sheridan Rd.

 

I was auditing for the Retail Clerks Union.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:35 AM

6. Greed is good

That is what Reagan taught us.

Sam

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:43 AM

7. Pedantic mode on:

"Second world" countries isn't right.

The "worlds" originated during the cold war.

"First world" was the US, Western Europe and allies.
"Second world" was the USSR, China, and the communist bloc
"Third world" was everyone else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:44 AM

8. Does any more really need to be said?

K & R.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:47 AM

9. pitch

um, could the font be ANY smaller????

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Response to ellennelle (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:00 AM

28. Yeah, it's a problem for me, too. I mouseclick to get 'view image' to enlarge it.

Or else I'd miss half these things.

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Response to ellennelle (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:50 AM

32. I just reposted it. You could send a message to Citizens Un Tied's Facebook page...

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:57 AM

10. K & R

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:57 AM

11. August 5th, 1981 . . . The Day Worker Progress Got Stomped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)

Michael Moore said that Reagan's firing of the PATCO strikers was the beginning of "America's downward slide", and the end of comfortable union jobs, with a middle-class salary, raises, and pensions. Moore stated that wages have remained stagnant for 30 years. He also blamed the AFL-CIO for telling their members to cross the PATCO picket lines.

President Reagan's director of the United States Office of Personnel Management at the time, Donald J. Devine, argued that "when the president said no...American business leaders were given a lesson in managerial leadership that they could not and did not ignore. Many private sector executives have told me that they were able to cut the fat from their organizations and adopt more competitive work practices because of what the government did in those days. I would not be surprised if these unseen effects of this private sector shakeout under the inspiration of the president were as profound in influencing the recovery that occurred as the formal economic and fiscal programs."

In 2011, Oxford University Press published Joseph McCartin's book, "Collision Course: Ronald Reagan, The Air Traffic Controllers, and the Strike that Changed America". Reviewing the book in Review 31, Richard Sharpe claimed Reagan was "laying down a marker" for his presidency: "The strikers were often working class men and women who had achieved suburban middle class lives as air traffic controllers without having gone to college. Many were veterans of the US armed forces where they had learned their skills; their union had backed Reagan in his election campaign. Nevertheless, Reagan refused to back down. Several strikers were jailed; the union was fined and eventually made bankrupt. Only about 800 got their jobs back when Clinton lifted the ban on rehiring those who had struck. Many of the strikers were forced into poverty as a result of being blacklisted for employment."


Oh, and to top himself . . . the following year, he signed the Garn/St Germain bill, which relaxed FDR-era limits on thrifts and sent banksters and speculators on their 80s financial/real estate piracy, setting a precedent in the form of taking a big black axe to the savings and well being of seniors and workers. The S & L Crisis of the 80s happened in no small part due to this horrible piece of legislation. All part of the Reagan-fused "Great Risk Shift" which continues unabated to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garn_-_St_Germain_Depository_Institutions_Act

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:01 AM

12. K&R

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:01 AM

13. title should be 'before and after reagan'

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:43 AM

14. And as Thom Hartmann always says, US was the largest Creditor nation, pre-Reagan, now the .......

largest Debtor nation.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:53 AM

15. Never liked that guy.

Never voted for him. Never believed him. Never forgave him. Never wanted to think about him. The only decent thing he ever did was give us his son, Ron Reagan.

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Response to tblue (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:05 AM

33. ditto, ditto, and ditto to give us his son Ron Reagan. eom

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:58 AM

16. Things aren't all that bad: CEO's are doing well.

It'll trickle down eventually.
You were expecting it to trickle in a mere 30 years?
C'mon be realistic!

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Response to lexw (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:17 AM

17. Oh, something is trickling down, alright. nt

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:37 AM

20. :D

When I first heard that phrase used years ago, I knew what they meant. And boy did it come to reality during Bush and Cheney.

It really sucks when a president—especially a popular one (I guess he was popular, I didn't like him)—looks his country in the eyes and tells them this will be good for the country...when he knows damn well it's only good for a few.
Arrgh!

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Response to lexw (Reply #20)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:53 AM

22. A line from the Outlaw Josie Wales...

"dont piss down my back and tell me it's raining" comes to mind

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:57 AM

23. Nice quote from a great movie!

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Response to lexw (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 03:00 AM

24. That movie had a bunch of them. nt

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 03:04 AM

25. Damn you! I'm going to have to look it up and watch it again.

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Response to lexw (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 03:21 AM

26. I own it...

and my watch it tomorrow. Chief Dan George stole the show.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #26)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 04:17 AM

27. Man. I need to see it again. I didn't remember he was in it.

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Response to lexw (Reply #27)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:30 PM

37. ...

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:51 PM

38. I've never been an Eastwood fan, but I could watch THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES a dozen times

and not feel that I'd seen it enough.

Whether or not he recognizes it, this movie was his master work.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:33 AM

18. And this guy is nearly a GOD to the GOP...

Boggles the damn mind.

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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:42 AM

21. He fooled most of the country.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:33 AM

19. kr

 

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:17 AM

29. And Republicans Wonder Why They Are Reviled

eom

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:31 AM

30. I've been paying attention in earnest since my trip to Vietnam'

it was and still is in my as well as my countries better interest too. I'm a witness to this decline and that is why I very much dislike this reagan cretin of a caricature of a man

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:20 AM

31. I loved it when Dumbya exchanged our nuclear technology to India for cheap mangoes.

Mr Bush pledged that his visit to Pakistan later in the week would go ahead, despite a bomb blast that killed a US diplomat and at least three others near the US consulate in Karachi on Thursday.

And he said "the US is looking forward to eating Indian mangoes", under an agreement to expand trade in farm products.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4764826.stm

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:10 PM

34. The sad irony of the Reagan worship on the right

Is that today, he'd be reviled as a leftist.

And he is the one who engineered (or the people around him as I don't think he was all that bright himself) our slide into our current economic state.

Still, the Right worships him.

I don't understand them at all.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:14 PM

35. It's not ALL his fault ...I blame Clinton too.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:21 PM

36. Can't go back. . .

we can only move forward and correct the problems.

Stand strong!

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:55 PM

39. A lot of this could also be said of the UK, under the influence of his dear pal Maggie

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:16 PM

41. Fuck him! Boy I'm in a bad mood.

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Response to 1monster (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:05 PM

42. Bookmarked

Every Ronnie idolator should have to read it and explain why every word isn't the gospel truth.

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #42)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:29 PM

43. Agreed! n/t

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