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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 03:57 PM

"Special Forces Soldier killed in Syria" likely not dead, may have faked death (Occupy San Diego)

Update February 3, 2012:

Sgt. Polk's death has still not been reported by the Dept. of Defense, nor has any notice of his death appeared in his family's hometown newspaper.

A source has further informed ECM that his name has not been provided for addition to a memorial that honors fallen special services soldiers. Thus at this point, it appears likely that Polk did not die in service overseas. Perhaps he faked his death, or possibly someone else posted misleading information on his Facebook account.....

Read More: http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/8382


... Or perhaps no one picked up the phone to confirm before running breathlessly with story. Old mess of a DU thread here. Actual soldiers who have been killed here. Likelihood of this guy having been a Special Forces soldier here.

Again, the moral of the story: "Something I read on Facebook" is not a source.

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Reply "Special Forces Soldier killed in Syria" likely not dead, may have faked death (Occupy San Diego) (Original post)
Robb Feb 2012 OP
Brickbat Feb 2012 #1
Recovered Repug Feb 2012 #5
zappaman Feb 2012 #51
Scurrilous Feb 2012 #2
Historic NY Feb 2012 #3
Robb Feb 2012 #4
zappaman Feb 2012 #66
Robb Feb 2012 #72
zappaman Feb 2012 #73
Historic NY Feb 2012 #74
zappaman Feb 2012 #75
SidDithers Feb 2012 #6
Robb Feb 2012 #7
SidDithers Feb 2012 #8
Scurrilous Feb 2012 #11
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #15
zappaman Feb 2012 #18
tkmorris Feb 2012 #16
joshcryer Feb 2012 #9
Robb Feb 2012 #10
Lone_Star_Dem Feb 2012 #12
SidDithers Feb 2012 #36
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #17
zappaman Feb 2012 #19
ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2012 #56
tammywammy Feb 2012 #13
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #20
tammywammy Feb 2012 #24
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #27
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #28
Robb Feb 2012 #32
zappaman Feb 2012 #25
petronius Feb 2012 #29
Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #30
Heddi Feb 2012 #33
zappaman Feb 2012 #34
zappaman Feb 2012 #14
Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #21
zappaman Feb 2012 #22
SidDithers Feb 2012 #23
Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #26
Codeine Feb 2012 #37
joshcryer Feb 2012 #31
Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #35
Robb Feb 2012 #40
zappaman Feb 2012 #41
Robb Feb 2012 #55
Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #42
zappaman Feb 2012 #43
Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #46
zappaman Feb 2012 #47
Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #48
zappaman Feb 2012 #49
pecwae Feb 2012 #53
pinboy3niner Feb 2012 #61
MineralMan Feb 2012 #64
Number23 Feb 2012 #68
Codeine Feb 2012 #38
zappaman Feb 2012 #39
Swede Feb 2012 #44
zappaman Feb 2012 #45
Brother Buzz Feb 2012 #52
zappaman Feb 2012 #50
randome Feb 2012 #54
greytdemocrat Feb 2012 #58
chrisa Feb 2012 #57
MineralMan Feb 2012 #59
pecwae Feb 2012 #62
MineralMan Feb 2012 #63
zappaman Feb 2012 #65
Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #60
ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2012 #69
zappaman Feb 2012 #70
ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2012 #71
Robb Feb 2012 #67

Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 04:00 PM

1. "Perhaps he faked his death."

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 04:32 PM

5. He seemed to have faked his life so why not fake his death?

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 01:54 AM

51. kick n/t

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 04:05 PM

2. editor@eastcountymagazine now on ignore. n/t

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 04:19 PM

3. Well someone FOIL'ed his records........OOPS.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 04:28 PM

4. Washed out of basic training. Well, there you go.

Makes me wonder about the "non-denial" supposedly obtained from his command.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 02:35 PM

66. Kick

Good link!

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:44 PM

72. That site is now linking back here.

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Response to Robb (Reply #72)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:23 PM

73. Ugh

Makes DU look like idiots.
Great...

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Response to Robb (Reply #72)

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 08:09 AM

74. It already was thats how I found it.......

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #74)

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 11:16 AM

75. kick n/t

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:21 PM

6. K&R...

thanks for the update, and for staying on the story.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:31 PM

7. Interestingly, the OP has self-deleted the original post.

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Response to Robb (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:37 PM

8. Thus locking the thread...

which is why I'm glad you started this one to allow updates to the story to be posted.



Sid

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Response to Robb (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 06:26 PM

11. I guess this means we're not at war w/ Syria anymore...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:22 PM

18. LOL!

Really, the saddest/funniest post I've read in some time!
Thanks!

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Response to Robb (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:18 PM

16. That IS interesting isn't it?

I wonder why she would do that?

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:39 PM

9. Thanks for the update, I figured this would be resolved.

Shame the original OP was deleted.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:55 PM

10. Well, since it was deleted only in the last few minutes

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Response to Robb (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 06:56 PM

12. Is this the OP mentioned at the site Historic NY posted above?

Mentioned here: http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=28611

When I hit that link it sent me to a deleted OP by the same member which appeared to be on topic judging by the replies. I'm assuming it is, I just want to be sure.

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Response to Robb (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:50 PM

36. Forget Syria. I wanna know more about 2.3% mortgages!!...



Sid

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:23 PM

19. can anyone explain what the fuck this means...?

"So from now on, man bytes dog, I can even ask the vet how many stitches."
Anyone?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:37 AM

56. she got her 'reporter'-ass spanked

maybe she will learn not to ... nah, nevermind.

sP

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:12 PM

13. Thanks the update

No wonder Nadin refused to say who she confirmed the death with.

Though I'll keep an open mind and maybe Nadin has a perfectly reasonable explanation.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:30 PM

24. Who did you confirm the death with?

Don't say 'his command', what's their name.

If you cannot get a basic fact on if someone's dead, I'm going to take the rest of your article with a grain of salt. You can divert attention away, but the basis of 'we're in Syria!!!' you're spreading was based off this man's Facebook post and it's not even confirmed he was in the Army.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:19 PM

32. That's a good question, she answered that earlier.




Perhaps she can explain the burial.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:33 PM

25. "...complex stories, not even from Guardian, NYT or wiki leaks itself, belong on DU"

yup, we hear on DU are way two stoopid for you're complex storys becuz we are simpley not as smart as you.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:50 PM

29. It isn't CNN, Fox, or even the NYT that decides if something is news

At the most fundamental level, what decides that is whether it actually happened.

DU can handle quite a lot. In this case, it seems that you got something wrong - if you can't handle that, perhaps it's you who needs to stick to the man bytes (?) dog genre, rather than slamming this site and its users...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:50 PM

30. Might as well delete this one, too.

Instead of admitting you were either taken in completely, or were just making stuff up in order to make yourself look like you had inside knowledge of some sort, you're doubling down on the nonsense.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:40 PM

33. She's just deleting everything

to me, that means that what she posts will not be able to stand the test of time, and may be used in the future as a reminder and proof of her disinformation and less-than-truthful "hard-breaking news that americans and Du'ers can't be interested in because it's complex and Americans and DU'ers are stupid and can't handle complex truths, like I can" bullshit.

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Response to Heddi (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:48 PM

34. +100 and a kick n/t

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:16 PM

14. K & R

Thanks for staying on this super dooper classified story!

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:24 PM

21. I thought everyone already knew he was a fraud.

Too young to make Master Sargeant told me all I neeeded to know about Polk as a liar.

I figured the real truth would come out sooner or later.

This story also tells me a great deal about those taken in by this guy, and those purporting to know the inside story about his 'death'.

But it will all be forgiven by the fan club, as all the other 'predictions' and 'trends' are soon forgotten as soon as the next breathless prognostication is made for them.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:27 PM

22. Yup, it's a cycle that those of us who know have seen before.

are now seeing again, yup.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:29 PM

23. And that's all I'm going to say about it HERE...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:40 PM

26. The answers are in The Elite Publications.

The Elite Of The Elite!

The ones no one else reads!


Like "Steaming Pile", "Fantastic Stories", and "Stuff I Made Up".

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:53 PM

37. Fecking brilliant, sir. nt

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:17 PM

31. I followed that thread and the irrational arguments, and decided to stay out of it.

In the information age it is very difficult to parse information, particularly information from untrustworthy sources (ie, anonymous individuals, things like that).

Confirmation bias kicks in and people just start believing false narratives without thinking critically about them.

I encountered this for almost a year while following Libya, and it is the same basic theme.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:48 PM

35. I have a pretty good bullshit filter, and all the alarms went off reading that mess.

Lots of unsubstantiated declarations backed by secret sources usually mean it floats in the toilet.

But doubling down on posting what in the end was untruths at best, outright fabrications at worst is not the sign of a trustworthy source, it's the sign of someone with a problem.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #35)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 09:53 PM

40. Did you see the FOIA doc on our "special forces" soldier?

I'm pleased it was released quickly. It's reproduced below.

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Response to Robb (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 09:55 PM

41. so, this is faked?

to coverup, not only his death, but his super-dooper classified mission in Syria?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:18 AM

55. I hadn't thought of that.

Devilishly clever, those special forces guys.

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Response to Robb (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:33 PM

42. The cover-up has commenced.

I bet that the nefarious Mr. Polk has gone to ground, or is in a safe house somewhere plotting his next super-dooper double secret espionage black-ops special forces eyes-only elite forces NSA CIA FBI AFL CIO NFL DEA NHL NBA PBA strike.

Or one of those 'three-letter' agencies, I can't keep them all straight.

I was waiting for information of this type to come forward, I knew right down to the soles of my feet it was total bullshit from the get-go, and stated as such.

As did you, you dingbat.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:40 PM

43. I'm just glad that some in OWS San Diego had a memorial for him even though he is alive.

Much easier than admitting a mistake.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 12:23 AM

46. All it would have taken is getting an actual active-duty vet to talk to Polk.

The truth would have come out in ten minutes or less.

Military special ops guys never talk...EVER.

They seldom acknowledge what their actual MOS was.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 12:24 AM

47. true...unless

it's supper-dooper classified!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 12:37 AM

48. Sorry, I can't tell you what I had for dinner last night.

Oh, not that it's supper-dooper classified or anything like that, it's because I got hammered on home-brew and don't remember.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #48)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 12:40 AM

49. home-brew? nice!

for me, it was lagunitas...

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Response to Robb (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:57 AM

53. It does

takes someone pretty 'special' to enlist, hang around all of less than 4 weeks, then walk off post. Maybe he just needed a ride to Columbia for some reason.

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Response to Robb (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:08 AM

61. Is there verification that Jamond Polk and Jay Polk are the same individual?

I've seen the records posted on webites, but no explanation about how it was determined that this 'Jamond Polk' is Jay.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #61)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 12:01 PM

64. Yes, apparently there's photographic

evidence that the two are one and the same.

Those sites that check out claims of bogus military service are very thorough with their investigations. They do a really good job of it, too.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:23 PM

68. Amen

Confirmation bias kicks in and people just start believing false narratives without thinking critically about them.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:55 PM

38. That soldier has been self-deleted. nt

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Response to Codeine (Reply #38)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:56 PM

39. yes, but has the super-dooper classified mission to Syria been self-deleted? n/t

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:41 PM

44. And for god's sake,don't drink the radioactive milk!

It's radioactive!

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Response to Swede (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:43 PM

45. awesome

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Response to Swede (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 02:00 AM

52. I was slow on the uptake

But my pea brain finally fired the appropriate neurons to remind me to run down to the PX and bag all the aseptic milk cartons before everyone else did.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 01:14 AM

50. kick n/t

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 07:14 AM

54. He will be buried within 24 business hours.

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Response to randome (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 09:09 AM

58. Alright...

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:56 AM

57. Maybe another example of, "I saw it on the internet - it must be true?"

While DU is usually a source of good info, it sometimes slips up with information that is completely wrong or unfounded. The best approach is to be skeptical, and wait for more information.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 10:31 AM

59. This is why small regional publications should stick to local stories

and not try to do big articles on political issues. They simply do not have the resources to properly check the stories. When I first read this story, alarm bells went off in this old journalist's brain. When you report on the death of a soldier killed in combat somewhere, you really need to be absolutely sure that the information you have is correct.

If a publication and author cannot confirm the information through official sources, they should hold off on publishing the story until they can confirm it. Sadly, small publications like this one in San Diego are usually operating on a shoestring, like most such publications are, so they depend on amateur writers who will write for little or not payment, along with editorial staff without the long experience needed to deal with major stories that involve major issues. That means that stories aren't fully vetted before publication and end up having to be withdrawn or apologized for.

Along the same lines, we see a lot of preliminary things written for some blog or some small publication like this one posted here on DU. Often, we find out later that the stories are not accurate or are just plain wrong from the start. In the meantime, some of these stories stir up all kinds of outrage and get spread all over the internet. Later retractions or evidence that the story was incorrect just don't get the same distribution, so such stories get copied and pasted long after they've been debunked.

It's too bad, really. So much that is incorrect and potentially harmful floats around the Internet. That's why I'm skeptical of such stories and try to dig down and find out the actual facts.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #59)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:17 AM

62. That little pub has learned

an invaluable lesson by making an error they won't be in a hurry to repeat. They do have to shoulder some of the blame by accepting a story with such far reaching consequences based on a Facebook page. One doesn't even need editorial experience to question such claims, just common sense.

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Response to pecwae (Reply #62)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:53 AM

63. I certainly hope that is the case.

Very embarrassing for them, for sure.

In the meantime, that story has been quoted on numerous websites and blogs. Checking today, none of them have corrected the story. That is why it's a problem. The publication in question has put a disclaimer at the top of the story, but all of those places that copied and pasted the story still have it as written. Mistakes have long legs, I'm afraid, so the damage here is not over. If things go as they usually do, it will continue to be copied and pasted to other blogs and websites, second hand, and will not be corrected.

Sadly, there is no real way to solve this problem, except for publications taking a great deal of care with what they publish, and that's not likely overall. Equally unfortunately, there are no consequences for publication of incorrect stories, other than the publication losing the respect of its readers. The guy who lied about his military service will simply move on and probably continue to lie. That's a pity, since he probably won't get treated for whatever is wrong.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #63)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 01:11 PM

65. At least it has been corrected here.

Not by the OP, of course, but at least it was deleted.
Isn't there anything else the pub can do besides the disclaimer?

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 10:38 AM

60. This thread may have the largest # of self-deletes by one poster ever.

 

I wish I had seen the original posts.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #60)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:36 PM

69. appropriately so I would imagine...

though reading them before deletion might have been entertaining...

sP

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Response to zappaman (Reply #70)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 07:01 PM

71. it would require that someone give a hoot

about what is posted rather than just running emotionally through the inter-tubes looking for the 'hottest' bullshit they can dig up...

sP

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 04:16 PM

67. I'd like to think this man could've been spared his pain (VIDEO):

A little bit of legwork to have outed Polk as a fraud early on might've prevented this:

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