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Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:54 AM

"You've disappointed me, and there will be consequences."

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Reply "You've disappointed me, and there will be consequences." (Original post)
babylonsister Apr 2013 OP
CTyankee Apr 2013 #1
femmocrat Apr 2013 #2
sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #3
Seeking Serenity Apr 2013 #18
sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #19
Seeking Serenity Apr 2013 #20
sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #21
Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #23
sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #24
Seeking Serenity Apr 2013 #27
Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #29
Seeking Serenity Apr 2013 #33
Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #56
Zambero Apr 2013 #22
Seeking Serenity Apr 2013 #25
freshwest Apr 2013 #42
rickyhall Apr 2013 #51
sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #66
calimary Apr 2013 #57
SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #4
Carolina Apr 2013 #5
DFW Apr 2013 #6
babylonsister Apr 2013 #8
freshwest Apr 2013 #52
DFW Apr 2013 #62
freshwest Apr 2013 #63
drynberg Apr 2013 #7
hue Apr 2013 #9
sheshe2 Apr 2013 #10
rhett o rick Apr 2013 #60
sheshe2 Apr 2013 #61
rhett o rick Apr 2013 #65
JayhawkSD Apr 2013 #11
Wednesdays Apr 2013 #12
blackspade Apr 2013 #13
Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #14
SmittynMo Apr 2013 #15
magic59 Apr 2013 #32
mountain grammy Apr 2013 #16
Berlum Apr 2013 #17
Hekate Apr 2013 #26
HockeyMom Apr 2013 #28
Aerows Apr 2013 #30
DirtyDawg Apr 2013 #31
SmittynMo Apr 2013 #34
hope4more Apr 2013 #35
toby jo Apr 2013 #36
Liberal_Dog Apr 2013 #37
CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #38
samsingh Apr 2013 #39
Phentex Apr 2013 #40
JDPriestly Apr 2013 #41
VA_Jill Apr 2013 #44
JDPriestly Apr 2013 #58
Cha Apr 2013 #43
rhett o rick Apr 2013 #45
WinkyDink Apr 2013 #46
Paladin Apr 2013 #47
defacto7 Apr 2013 #50
Brimley Apr 2013 #48
defacto7 Apr 2013 #49
smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #53
Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #54
Grateful for Hope Apr 2013 #55
Pisces Apr 2013 #59
nxylas Apr 2013 #64

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:06 AM

1. Go, Gabby!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:08 AM

2. God bless her.

She has more strength, courage and integrity than all of them combined have in one cell.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:24 AM

3. Exactly what I told Pryor's office. Get what you need from the NRA, not

me.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:59 AM

18. If Pryor had voted for this,

he'd be defeated next November, and then Arkansas would have TWO Republican senators. Is that what you want?

Half a loaf is still better than none when one is hungry.

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:03 AM

19. Pryor will be defeated in November anyway. Arkansas as turned into the

snakepit of the nation.

P.S. Pryor not only voted against the bill, he voted last week to keep it from coming to the Senate for a vote!

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:07 AM

20. I'd say he has a fairly good sense of his constituents' wishes on this issue

And I am nowhere near convinced that Pryor is a guaranteed loss. His name, and that of his father's, still carries a lot of weight around here. But if he could be made out to have been listening to Michael Bloomberg, he would be lost.

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:09 AM

21. Then you can send him an extra $50 to make up for what I'm not sending

him this year.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:17 AM

23. I think Seeking Serenity has a point about the Pryor name

It carries a lot of weight in the state, even though the apple has fallen a considerable distance from the tree.

And yeah, a good percentage of the residents of the "snakepit" seem to love their guns.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:20 AM

24. Art, i don't care who his father was. He will not get my vote next November.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:25 AM

27. Hey, that's your choice, and all the best!

I will vote for Pryor because I know as sure as I'm sitting here that he is a better senator than whatever Republican chooses to run against him.

Realpolitik.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:27 AM

29. I'm not particularly fond of what he's been doing in the Senate myself

Like I said, the apple has rolled far away from the tree. I met his father when his father was both governor and Senator and was impressed, but the son has been a disappointment. However, it's a pretty safe bet that no one with a chance of winning is going to primary him next year, and his Republican opponent will be a real lunatic. However, stranger things have happened, like when Dale Bumpers primaried J.William Fulbright in 1974 and won. Of course, Bumpers was governor at the time.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:32 AM

33. And Beebe is NOT gonna primary Pryor.

Because they're friends (having served in the Legislature together for a time), Beebe succeeded Pryor as AG, and because both men are about on the same spot on the political spectrum.

Bumpers primarying Fulbright made sense at the time. And it worked out for him, much to everyone's surprise (as I recall, I was just a little girl then).

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:54 PM

56. I was a little sad to see Fulbright go

He was one of Arkansas's-- and the nation's-- all-time great Senators. His book "The Arrogance of Power" should be required reading for anyone getting into politics.

As for Bumpers, he had previously defeated Winthrop Rockefeller, who was a fairly progressive governor during his short 4 years, certainly compared to his predecessor, Orville Faubus. While I was kind of upset that Bumpers had defeated Fulbright in the primary, Bumpers ended up being a pretty decent Senator. We had pretty good representation in the Senate when we had both him and Pryor Sr. as senators, but we haven't had anything like them since.

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:12 AM

22. Southern state support for BG checks is not good enough for Pryor?

Polls indicate 90%+ national support for expanded background checks and only slightly less that that for southern states such as Arkansas. I would not have expected too much risk for Pryor in taking a very defensible position had he suppored this legislation. Conversely there is much political peril in his opposition to it given the lopsided degree of support. The extreme element that opposes closing the no-check loophole would not be likely to vote for any Democratic candidate in the first place. What Pryor has done that could jeopardize his seat is to alienate progressive support for his re-election. He could very well be primaried, and he could lose. That scenario is far more likely in terms of flipping his seat Republican.

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Response to Zambero (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:21 AM

25. I can absolutely assure you, without fear of contradiction,

that Pryor would not lose in a primary battle, especially not to someone to the political left of him (someone that DU would enthusiastically support). The DPAR would do whatever it could to prevent such a serious challenge, because they know absolutely that a more liberal Democratic nominee would lose to a Republican. Pryor has a much, much better chance of retaining his seat than would a more liberal Democrat.

Would I prefer someone more liberal? You betcha! But I'm just spelling out the reality on the ground here. Reality sucks sometimes, y'know?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 04:13 PM

42. Sadly, of the six people I knew well in AR, they are all rabidly

Decided on these things:

Pro-NRA!
Pro-Gun Freedom!
Pro-Life!
Pro-Death Penalty!
Pro-Deportation!
Pro-Business! (though their jobs were shipped offshore)

Anti-Democrat!
Anti-UN!
Anti-Gay!
Anti-Socialism!
Anti-Welfare!


And hard core racists, to boot.

They are on SS, Medicare and Medicaid, sitting at their home in the hills, believing they are totally self-sufficient while polishing their grandfathered licensed AK47 and listening to RW radio.

It took a while to see past the facade. Suffice it to say, we no longer are friends.

After watching the video of the guy who represented the Koch interests making his mandatory appearance in Mayflower, I am not certain many people of AR will vote him.

It's hard to believe that a state that gave us Fulbright and the Rhodes scholarships, Clinton no matter what problems he made, he had the D behind his name, has gone this red. But keep letting them know that not all citizens are fooled by the NRA.

P. S. By this time, I guess the people I once knew consider the NRA too liberal and have joined with the GOA. Sigh...

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Response to freshwest (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:06 PM

51. I've seen the same thing

I went to high school in Arkansas & had lots of friends, my daughter lives there so I returned a few years ago from Texas. All I get is how horrible our president is & how he's taking their guns from people who could not survive without the mean old Fed. And now it's going full-on teabagger. Only people I can talk politics with are Latinos now. Not that that's bad but they're still in the minority like me.

I'm looking at Colorado now, where I lived when I was small. They have plenty of nutcases, too, but the state is pretty blue up around Denver. I'm outahere asap.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 08:43 AM

66. Me too. I'm thinking of either Boulder, CO or Vermont.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:34 PM

57. That's what I told heidi heitkamp's office.

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They greatly appreciated my California money during the campaign (that, as a donor, I helped her win). Therefore, I expect certain principles to be upheld. And if she votes in ways I don't approve, I don't have to give her another nickel.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:27 AM

4. rec!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:29 AM

5. K&R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:29 AM

6. Sometimes the question arises what it's like to have friends like that

It makes me proud. THAT'S what it's like!


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Response to DFW (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:31 AM

8. Excellent!! Thanks for sharing that! And

you should be proud!

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Response to DFW (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:13 PM

52. Glad to see you and your friends healthy and happy. Hope Christmas rolls around with all of you well

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Response to freshwest (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:00 AM

62. Much water to flow under the bridge before then.

I never saw Gabby in the summer even before her incident. Christmas seems like the next century at this time of year.

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Response to DFW (Reply #62)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:12 AM

63. This year has been too interesting by far. Time is spinning faster, it seems. Or I'm slowing down.

Enjoy that vacation when it comes, DFW. You and the Mrs. deserve the break.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:30 AM

7. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS CRUCIAL FOR ITSELF, PLUS IT IS A MODEL

For being bold enough to reflect the will of the vast majority of voters, not the majority of the top 2%. Gabby is Spot On. Bless you Gabby!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:41 AM

9. For sure!!!! K&R!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:45 AM

10. Here's a link

Of Who's up for re-election, Senate 2014!

Compare it to the list of those that voted nay! They are the ones that we have to go after.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251300313

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:31 AM

60. We have to go after the damn Blue Dogs. Republicans pretending to be Democrats. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:44 AM

61. Replace them, yes we do.

We also need to see if there are some viable Democrats that will be running against the GOPers that are running. If so we should do our best to help them too.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #61)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 08:40 AM

65. Plez define "viable". If they vote with republicans then we should not

give them a dime or any support. Just when you think you can trust them, they stab you in the back. Spend the effort to find honest Democrats.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:46 AM

11. Better yet, VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:47 AM

12. I totally support the sentiment, but you know there won't be consequences

I mean, just look at my two senators (Coburn and Inhofe). Do you really think they'll be voted out any time soon...ESPECIALLY over gun control?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:48 AM

13. Giffords is awesome.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:49 AM

14. K&R Gabby is an American

Who knows what kind of craven slime those who call themselves Democrat and who cower before wayne pitty pat are. We need to make sure that the children and grand children of these cowards know just what kind of spineless asses their grammy and gran gran were.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:53 AM

15. They have disaapointed 90% of Americans.

90% of Americans, including gun owners, support background checks. Yet these yahoo's deemed it upon themselves to go against the grain. What the hell is wrong with that picture? What happened to "United we stand"? I agree, consequences will be had, especially in not electing these quacks back in office. What a terrible disappointment!!!! These politicians are useless.

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:31 AM

32. And they don't care

 

We The People no longer matter, its way beyond that point now. We are now slaves to the United Corporations of America.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:54 AM

16. I am asking millions of Americans to take this message to the streets!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:57 AM

17. k and r

k and r

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:24 AM

26. YES! YES! YES!

Go Gabby! Go people!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:25 AM

28. I would never vote for Marco Rubio anyway

It's not just ONE issue with him. He votes totally against every issue I believe in.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:27 AM

30. Vote them out

We have too many people in the Senate and in the House of Representatives that do ANYTHING but represent the people.

Vote them out.

If they are there to get a high paying lobbyist job after their stint in Congress, vote them out, and prevent them from getting hired with lobbyist laws. If they are there to feather their nests with our tax dollars, vote them out.

We need to vote these people out of office, and squelch their agendas by making the will of the people known - locally, at the state level, and at the Federal level. I'm sick of these people doing things in our name that have nothing to do with the will of the people of the United States of America. We need to vote these people out of office, because they don't own popular opinion, they are owned by whoever pays them the most in lobbying money.

EDIT: And we need normal, everyday human beings with a conscience running for office. Anybody can. We get so caught up in politics that we fail to realize that the course of our nation is determined by citizens just like us.

Run for office. The dirtiest dog might win, but sometimes, it elects champions. We need turnover in Congress. Some of these folks have been there so long, they don't even realize the fleas that are eating them up by what they have lain down with.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:28 AM

31. Finally...

 

...somebody made the point that the only way to deal with these cowardly politicians is to show them that they should be more afraid of pissin off the folks behind the drive for more gun (safety) laws than they are the bastards at the NRA. Until we toss a few, or all, of these pols onto the trash-heap of history - along with the idiotic interpretation of that Second Amendment - they'll just keep doing the bidding of the gun/ammo lobby.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:06 AM

34. And then you have a MLB idiot talking BS

On Tuesday, Philadelphia Phillies closer Jonathan Papelbon made a reference to the ongoing gun control debate, claiming that President Barack Obama "wants to take our guns."

How stupid are people? Pretty damn stupid.

Obama is NOT going to take your guns!!!!

The stupidity astounds me.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:07 AM

35. NRA's bitch: the GOP

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:18 AM

36. Sometimes you have to stand up and lead. This one'll come back to haunt these bastards.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:22 AM

37. K & R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:12 PM

38. Go Gabby Go!!!!!

& recommend!!!!!!!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:53 PM

39. agreed

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 03:18 PM

40. I wouldn't give mine the time of day let alone my money or my vote...

all I can do is send letters and email but they do NOT care about the likes of me! And never have.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 03:46 PM

41. Is there a list of the Democrats who voted against the bill?

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:01 PM

44. Pryor, Begich, Baucus, Heitkamp n/t

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Response to VA_Jill (Reply #44)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:51 PM

58. Thanks.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 04:38 PM

43. Gabby is using her traumatic experience as a survivor

of gun violence to help prevent further massacres. She will not be not be stopped. This is round one.

thanks babylonsisah

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:34 PM

45. The DU blue dogs need to speak up and tell us how you rationalize this away.

There are DU members that defend Blue Dog Democrats. I would like them to try to explain to Ms. Giffords why they think these Blue Dogs deserve to be called Democrats.

Remember, if you donate to the DSCC these are the bastards that will get your money.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:35 PM

46. "You've disappointed me": the lingo of suburban parents everywhere.

The issue is a TAD more serious than such wording suggests.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:49 PM

47. Are you questioning the serious nature of Giffords' statement?


With all she's experienced? I hope you aren't.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:33 PM

50. Huh?

You have to be kidding.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:07 PM

48. April 17, 2013: America, a Failed State

 

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:32 PM

49. YES!!!

I'm on board.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:38 PM

53. +10.000

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:51 PM

54. Yes, Gabby, and I have written to

that horrible excuse of a senator from WI (whose name I will not even mention) and told him not only am I disappointed in him, but I will work very, very, hard to see him defeated.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:54 PM

55. She is an amazing woman

Yes, there will be consequences.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:54 PM

59. Mothers need to take up this cause like MADD. Where are those million mom groups when it counts.

Million moms worries about tv content instead of the lives of children. Anyone can shut the tv off. We need some
people to speak up. They represent us but we hire them. Collectively we should be able to fire them.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:43 AM

64. First false equivalence in 5...4...3....

I know exactly how the right is going to spin this: "She threatened 'consequences' for pro-gun senators; that's EXACTLY the same thing as Glenn Beck telling his viewers to shoot Democrats in the head". I'd bet money on it, if I had any.

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