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Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:58 PM

Exciting! Thursday GOP hearing on Obama's Chained-CPI Request

I'm looking forward to it. How about you?

Republicans embrace Obama's offer to trim Social Security benefits

Rep. Sam Johnson (R-Tex.), who chairs the Social Security panel of the House Ways and Means Committee, has scheduled a first public hearing for Obama’s chained-CPI proposal on Thursday.

I'm on the edge of my seat, eager to see if Republicans will finally realize that this President is a partner who can be trusted.

Of course, the Moonbat Left always needs to throw a turd in America's punch bowl. From the same article linked to above:

Even with those protections, the typical single elderly woman living on about $18,000 a year would lose about $6,000 by age 85 compared with current law, according to calculations by the National Women’s Law Center.

“She’s not making decisions about whether to buy steak or chicken. I testified about a woman — she can’t afford meat. She buys discount cheese and slices it very thin,” said the center’s Joan Entmacher. “I don’t know where you go from there in making substitutions.”

Ms. Entmacher should be ashamed of her Obama-bashing glass-half-empty mentality. Instead of zeroing in on the unpleasantness of what happens to the little people, why can't she focus on hedge-fund managers buying yachts for their cats with the money they'll save on reduced taxes, thanks to starving old women?

I like cats.

Let's think nice thoughts and hope that Republicans will finally feel safe with us after all the years we've been mean to them. Grand things are coming our way, I just know it. As long as that difficult senator from Massachusetts can keep her yap shut.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:03 PM

1. Well said

I really hope all the emo progs don't get in the way of the grandest of grand bargains. I mean this will finally get our centrist president what he has always wanted which is the undying love and affection of David Brooks and David Gregory and Joe Scarborough and folks like that. If the leftist utopian pony wishers do anything to stop our dearest President's dream date, I will never forgive them.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:10 PM

4. How awesome would it be

If important men like Brooks, Gregory, and Scarborough were on *our* team?

We could make America great again. We could make it economical to have cotton plantations again! Imagine that!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:33 PM

13. You mean it isn't now -- economical to have cotton plantations?

It sure feels like it is.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:53 PM

39. Too many government regulations!

Minimum wage, no child labor, 13th Amendment... a massa can't make a living these days.

Damned moonbat Liberals.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:21 AM

49. You didn't capitalize "Centrist' OR "President"

I'm beginning to suspect that you're one of those rooseveltians I've heard about.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:06 PM

2. Republicans embrace Social Security cuts they'll blame on Obama

Republicans embrace Social Security cuts they'll blame on Obama

by Joan McCarter

Republicans are proceeding exactly as could be expected on President Obama's proposed Social Security cuts. First, they condemn him for "trying to balance this budget on the backs of seniors," and then taking up the cuts and pushing for much more.

This week, two House subcommittees plan to hold hearings on “reforms to protect and preserve” programs for retirees, starting with Obama’s proposal to apply a less generous measure of inflation to annual increases in Social Security benefits.

Also on the table are higher Medicare premiums and reduced benefits for better-off seniors, and a higher Medicare eligibility age.

Both means testing for Medicare and the eligibility age have been on offer in previous negotiations, so Republicans will happily go there now. Boehner has already dismissed the Social Security cuts as "modest." Obama's offer of Social Security cuts is just the starting point for negotiations as far as they're concerned. As usual. That's how it's worked every time Obama has begun the negotiations on Republican grounds.

But the White House and Democrats shouldn't be comforted by the fact that Republicans have embraced the cuts, because that's not going to prevent Republicans from running against Democrats on "trying to balance this budget on the backs of seniors." We've seen this game before with the "$700 billion in Medicare cuts" that Republicans hammered Democrats with while voting for those same cuts in the Ryan budget. That's what they do.

Democrats have one real choice, both on policy and political grounds. Reject the cuts.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/16/1202213/-Republicans-dual-strategy-on-Social-Security-embrace-the-cuts-they-ll-blame-on-nbsp-Obama

Go for it Republicans!



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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:09 PM

3. But will they protect SS from Obama?

Or will they embrace it?

My guess is embrace it as this a way to start cutting SS because Republicans have wanted to do that since its inception.

We'll see.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:21 PM

5. Obama and Repugs are two sides of the same cruel coin.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:29 PM

7. You write that as if sociopathy is a negative.

Cheer up!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:20 AM

48. Number one on the sociopath scale = CEO's. They must be doing something right.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:32 AM

66. yawn

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:29 PM

6. Questions, will Obama force them to accept more than what he has offered?

And will Granny find delicious recipes for cat? That processed cat food can't be good for her. And will Granny be smart enough to learn how to tan the skin for a nice warm coat? And can the Democrats use the slogan "A cat in every pot"?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:31 PM

8. Hey! I said I like cats. Your post offends me.

Substitute old people instead of cats, and your post will be much more acceptable.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:34 PM

9. Hey I like cats too! I like chickens too!

But hell, money gets tight, cats are free. Just saying ,a chicken in every pot worked for Hoover.


I think?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:45 PM

10. OK. Chickens or old people

But no more about cruelty to cats. That's just sick.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:14 PM

94. We just need a cat in every pot

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:08 PM

30. I'm one of those

 

disabled retirees just recently qualified for Medicare (after working for 40 years). You chuckle about my plight now, but just you wait until one of you guys become disabled and/or need Medicare.

BTW, I regret for voting for Obama twice, especially in light of this chained-CPI crap. Like what I say but screw you the elderly.

StarzDust

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Response to starzdust22 (Reply #30)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:05 PM

36. Sorry, I was being sarcastic

Efforts by Obama and company to deny benefits -which are already too low - are sick. Just sick.

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Response to starzdust22 (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:40 AM

63. starzdust, Manny very much understands your plight

stick with us

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Response to starzdust22 (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:18 AM

72. Hey starzdust22, Manny is one of us too.

Welcome to DU. Hang in there and we get through it together.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:53 PM

18. Granny already has wonderful recipes for Chinese Cat under glass. n/t

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:16 AM

70. Time to use the google

start collecting recipes now.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:28 AM

73. Good questions, Autumn, but I believe Dems already have their slogan for granny.

"There's more than one way to skin a cat".

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:47 PM

11. The day Obama submitted his 'proposed budget'

it was (and still is) a proposal. That proposal included chained CPI (as the GOP had requested) - with two poison-pill conditions that the Republicans had already made clear they wouldn't accept.

The 'proposal' was DOA - as everyone knew it would be.

Since then, that DOA proposal has been described here on DU as Obama's PLAN to implement CCPI, Obama's DESIRE to implement CCPI, and now Obama's CHAINED-CPI REQUEST.

Putting CCPI in a proposal, especially when it is attached to conditions that the other side had already made clear were unacceptable, does not make it Obama's PLAN, DESIRE, or REQUEST.

The way things get twisted around here these days, it's like listening to FAUX News.

And the question remains: If Obama actually wanted CPPI, why didn't he offer it in a proposal with NO STRINGS ATTACHED?

I've posed that question several times now on this board, and have yet to hear an answer.


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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:29 PM

12. No Strings attached is next.

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:57 AM

58. Hey, I'm so old I remember when

Obama's veto of the repeal of DADT was "next"!



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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:40 PM

15. And the article cited in the OP says that Republicans are considering the chained CPI.

Congress can pass the bill it wants. Obama has signaled that he is prepared to betray seniors and trade chained CPI for higher tax rates for the top tax brackets.

Obama would not have made that proposal if he was not inclined to accept the trade. The faith in Obama at this point is unwarranted. Obama wants chained CPI.

He already tried to weaken Social Security by giving working people a lower payroll or Social Security tax rate. The hope with that was that when the full tax was reinstated the outcry would be so great that Obama would "just have to" propose maintaining the lower payroll tax rate.

Obama doesn't like Social Security. That's the truth in this matter. He is a buddy of Pete Peterson as are members of both parties including Erskine Bowles to name a prominent Democrat.

We will, I suspect, see cuts to Social Security starting with, but not ending with the chained CPI.

This breaks my heart. And that Obama, who pretends to be a Democrat, proposed this is just disgusting.

It will happen. If not this year, before long.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:58 PM

21. +1

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:39 PM

32. I'll bet you my Social Security increase that Obama will sign Chained CPI WITHOUT

any significant tax increase, even.

It's his idea of negotiation.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:06 AM

42. Can he run for a 3rd term as a Republican?

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #42)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:16 PM

84. Oh shit, I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

This country has such fucked up values.

Mammon is our God.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:26 AM

51. That's what I'm bracing myself for.

Hope like hell I'm wrong.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:44 AM

57. "The Republicans are considering chained CPI."

We know they're considering it - they asked for it last year. Not exactly late-breaking news.

I'm enjoying the many posts on DU these days inferring that the GOP would never have even thought about CCPI, were it not for Obama bringing up the subject. Like they haven't thought about it every day for decades.

Again, if Obama 'wants' CCPI, why offer it with strings attached that he knew they wouldn't accept?
You still haven't answered the question - and I think you know it.

"He already tried to weaken Social Security by giving working people a lower payroll or Social Security tax rate." You KNOW why the rate was temporarily lowered. You don't do 'feigning ignorance' well.

"The hope with that was that when the full tax was reinstated ..."

"The hope was"? Based on what, besides your own mind meanderings? That's right up there with "someone people are saying".

"Obama doesn't like Social Security."

Manny has been promoting that BS for as long as I've been here. And he never offers anything to support that assertion other than his own opinion, mixed with a hodge-podge of paranoia and conspiracy theories.

The fact that the thread title included "Obama's Chained CPI request" - in an attempt to twist a proposal that included CPPI (a proposal which Obama knew would never be accepted) into a "request for CCPI" is demonstrative of some people's need to mislead, a need to create a FOX News headline in order to skew the facts to fit their own tiresomely repetitive narrative, and inevitably to advance a personal agenda.

That may dazzle some here in the sticks - but in the real world, such ramblings are the stuff that 3:00 a.m. call-in shows are made of.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:57 PM

20. Correct, and I can't wait for the revenue hearings!

Not, the GOP won't go there and that is the essential part of Pres O's proposal.

Seniors eat human foods that they can buy at the grocery store, just effing stop this bullshit.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:01 PM

24. I got one....triangulation.

this is how I think it will go down.
Obama offers them CCPI...they reject it and then look of other ways to "save" Social Security because Obama told us it needed to be saved...
And that is what this committee will do...make it official that SS needs to be "saved" and offer something like raising the age to 70 or how about a individual retirement account so young ones can opt out and put their money in the stock market?...undermining is the most common practice with the GOP.

All Obama did was make it official...SS is in trouble...just like the GOP said it was.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #24)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:06 AM

59. Ahh, another conspiracy theory in the making ...

"And Colonel Mustard offered to smite the CCPI in the Library with a Candlestick."

And here's how it will go down ...

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #59)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:55 AM

68. Yep that CT is a wonderful tool.

You can use it to dismiss just about anything...even a prediction based on previous experiences...
What power to control the cpmversation it gives you.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:02 PM

25. The only relevant question is ...why is Obama offering to screw the elderly.

Another question: Why don't you care about the poor elderly?

General question to all: Why is it better to worship Obama than to care about the poor elderly?

Mystery question of the ages: Why is the military defending the poor elderly? Oh yea ...they aren't ...wait ...uhm ...are they? hmmm

Frivolous question to all: Are there any core FDR Dem principles anymore? If not then I don't know why I am a registered Dem.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:40 PM

33. Present!

You are not alone, my friend. As long as two or more are gathered in his name, FDR lives!

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:46 PM

38. FDR sucked.

Just ask our President, he'll tell you.

Now Hoover... That was a great presidency!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:04 AM

41. Dam him and the power that be.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:16 AM

71. Whoa. that's quite a quote

very sickening.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:14 AM

60. Oh, the old "why don't you care" BS.

It reminds me of those who opposed the Iraq war being asked "Why do you hate America?"

"General question to all: Why is it better to worship Obama than to care about the poor elderly?"

Question: If you have a valid point to make, why is it framed as a choice between Answer A ("Do you care about the poor elderly?") and Answer B ("Why do you worship Obama?")

And BTW, when DID you stop beating your wife?





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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #60)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:59 AM

77. Ok so you don't care about old people ...and ...you like to insult people.

BTW when DID you stop being a decent human being?

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:08 PM

96. Well, there sure is a lot of this going around lately ...

YOU insult Obama supporters by implying they 'worship' him as opposed to supporting him politically.

YOU insult those same supporters by implying that if they DO support Obama, they don't care about the poor elderly.

YOU then insult them further by saying that the president they support is "offering to screw the elderly".

And then, when called out on YOUR OWN INSULTS, you insist that people are insulting YOU.

Like I said, a LOT of this BS going around here of late ...

Now run along to that mythical place where being an Obama supporter means one doesn't care about the poor elderly. You won't have any trouble finding it - it's right there in your own head, just where you conjured it up in the first place.





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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #96)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:20 PM

97. "Chance of serving on a Jury: 56%" Gee I wonder why. Reframe all you want.

When people support a POTUS when he proposes something bad for seniors and goes against core Dem principles then he and his worshippers deserve to be called out on it. Obviously you don't care if his proposals would hurt the elderly. I'll mark you for that and not waste anymore of my time responding to you. You are welcome to your la la land where Obama is cool to torture people and kill people and hurt old people so he can keep his generals, republicans and you happy.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #97)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:43 PM

99. Again you feel this overwhelming need

to insult Obama supporters by referring to them as "worshippers" - after bitching about people insulting YOU.

"Obviously you don't care if his proposals would hurt the elderly. I'll mark you for that."

You can "mark me" for whatever the hell you please. You can make any assumptions you please. You can take your junior high attitude and put it wherever you please.

BTW, my 'chance of serving on a jury' is not only irrelevant to the discussion - it's rather amusing given that my profile also states: "Willing to serve on a DU Jury: No."

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:04 PM

27. This is called building political cover.

You don't just toss something like this out at 8 o'clock, Day One.

To advance an unpopular policy, you have to maneuver it just so. Set up committees like the so-called "Cat Food Commission" (and staff it so you know it's going to give you the answer you want). You walk it through lots of negotiations; frame it as a "compromise", etc. No matter how much they'd like to vote for it, no politician is going to vote "aye" if it's going to cost him the next election. Frankly, I think the timing of this thing has been planned for well over a year now-- Obama is taking most of the political heat because the one guy who doesn't have to run for reelection.

The political establishment is good at putting everyone in a position from which they can claim to have had "no choice". And that's what we're looking at right now on this issue. They still may not manage to wrangle up the support they need-- but that's certainly what's being attempted.

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Response to Marr (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:52 AM

61. I love it!

I'm IN!!!

Do you think we can get Tom Cruise for the lead? How about Sigourney Weaver in a 'cameo' role as - wait for it! - Lt. Ripley?!?!

Working title: "The Pokeman Directive"

Just an immediate reaction here, but I think the whole opening narrative, i.e.

"To advance an unpopular policy, you have to maneuver it just so. Set up committees like the so-called "Cat Food Commission" (and staff it so you know it's going to give you the answer you want). You walk it through lots of negotiations; frame it as a "compromise", etc. No matter how much they'd like to vote for it, no politician is going to vote "aye" if it's going to cost him the next election. Frankly, I think the timing of this thing has been planned for well over a year now-- Obama is taking most of the political heat because the one guy who doesn't have to run for reelection.

The political establishment is good at putting everyone in a position from which they can claim to have had "no choice". And that's what we're looking at right now on this issue. They still may not manage to wrangle up the support they need-- but that's certainly what's being attempted."


is brilliant!!! If we can get Morgan Freeman to do the voice-over - well, I think I hear Oscar knocking at the door!

Have your girl call my girl in the morning.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #61)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:30 AM

65. .

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #61)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:45 AM

74. You say no one will answer your question, then laugh off all the answers.

I've got to tell you, for someone who likes to lecture people on how 'politics works', you seem awfully naive.

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Response to Marr (Reply #74)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:42 AM

76. Pure tinfoil conjecture

hardly qualifies as an "answer," and does nothing more than feed your hungry confirmation bias.

You see, there's a reason CT'ers are "laughed off."

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #76)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:40 AM

78. Sorry, but Twelve-Dimensionsal Chess is the conspiracy theory here.

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Response to Marr (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:51 PM

86. Have you ever noticed

that the people who talk about Obama playing twelve-dimensional chess are the same people who use twenty-five-dimensional chess in order to 'prove' their conspiracy theories?

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Response to Marr (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:53 PM

87. Marr, I agree with you.

The people who defend Obama's proposal for the chained CPI and cuts to Social Security are fooling themselves. They just can't bear to face the truth.

I'm sorry for their pain, but lying to yourself doesn't make lies true.

Obama proposed to cut Social Security because that is what he wants to do. It is one of his goals. He has been working for it almost since he was elected. He has certainly been working to harm Social Security in recent years. It is shameful, but that is the truth. It's just hard for people to believe it.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #87)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:07 PM

93. The excuses have become absurdly complex and self-contradictory.

And the writing of the people offering those excuses has picked up this quality of anxious dismissal. They don't really engage anymore; they just toss out an insult or a laughing emoticon and move on. It's like they know they have nothing sensible to offer, but they refuse to back down from their silly position.

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Response to Marr (Reply #78)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:55 PM

95. right...the chess game theory is bullshit

it is also bullshit to pretend obama didn't want something he proposed, and it's bullshit to believe he only proposed it because the GOP wanted it.

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Response to Marr (Reply #74)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:47 PM

85. If you don't want people laughing at your 'answers'

don't post 'answers' that are so totally laughable.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #85)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:01 PM

91. That's all you have left to offer, isn't it? Just empty, grade school snark.

I don't particularly care, mind you-- I can't really take you seriously.

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Response to Marr (Reply #91)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:04 PM

92. It seems that neither of us

takes the other seriously.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:20 AM

64. That's going to make a great rebuttal ad

So clear and concise. People will just eat that wonderfully simple explanation up.

"Hmmm......Republicans are saying Obama proposed and supported cutting SS benefits.........And it was in his budget and he did propose it and support it......Oh but the poison pill! That's right......I understand that completely."

Yeah, good luck with that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:33 PM

14. Who could have predicted this? nt

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:23 AM

50. You had to ask ...dincha

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #50)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:22 PM

81. Miss Cleo is not pragmatic...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:44 PM

16. Someone on one of the morning talk shows stated that:

Obama would walk on a car lot and see a car with $2500 on the sticker and immediately offer $2600 for the car. He was not very complimentary of his negotiating skills.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:42 PM

35. Do I hear $25K?

THAT would qualify as a real bargain, on the scale of the ACA, or Obamacare.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:46 PM

17. And the bestest thing of all

Since This doesn't do much to solve the deficit, and we will have another significant deficit next year, we can do it all over again in 2014! and 2015! and 2016!

We will triangulate this sucker into submission,that we will! Then we can all get back to cutting taxes and generating new deficits again.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:56 PM

19. Why are you smarter than my President??

Seriously.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:58 PM

22. I certainly am not smarter than Obama!

I just have different priorities!

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Response to kentuck (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:03 PM

26. If I am smart I will want to support the military on the backs of poor elderly people.

Thanks for playing.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:06 PM

29. Obviously, he's NOT since

he missed so much.

Let's face it, unless Obama wants to take on dictatorial powers like Jr he HAS to go through Congress to get anything done. Yes, he could do XO's, but those have no permanence and can easily be over-ridden by the next President, aside from Constitutional challenges.

So, our President either has to deal with the Republicans, or so discredit them that they take over the Congress.

Either way, it takes a lot more intelligence and understanding of the issues and the Congress than any I have seen expressed here.

Allow me to repeat that to let it sink in:

it takes a lot more intelligence and understanding of the issues and the Congress than any I have seen expressed here.

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Response to jazzimov (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:17 AM

46. "Say you were an idiot ...and a member of congress, but then I repeat myself" - Samuel Clemens

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Response to n2doc (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:43 AM

67. Yep...exactly. n/t

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Response to n2doc (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:58 PM

89. And then Obama will issue lots of H1-B visas, watch the young kids squirm when

they can't pay back their student loans and aren't allowed to discharge them in bankruptcy and declare "Mission Accomplished."

Obama is a nice guy, but he hasn't really thought about the repercussions of some of his policies. He has chosen lousy advisers on economic issues.

Paul Krugman and Robert Reich are available, and they are the best of the best, but they don't control big donations.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:59 PM

23. Their Corporate Masters won't allow it.

It means they will have to allow Tax Increases on the wealthy, which they won't allow. The whole "entitlement spending cuts" have nothing to do with the budget, but the entire privatization of SS so that the Corporate Masters can get their hands on those SS funds in the form of investments - like Jr. pushed for.

Won't happen, Anyone with any common sense whatsoever can see that.

The Republicans have stepped into another trap. They will only lose more popularity in the polls. Which means WE have a chance to take back the House in 2014 if we GOTV. But it's an off-season election, which means we REALLY NEED to GOTV.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:06 PM

28. Oh! That IS exciting!

Will Republicans take Obama up on his proposal or will it be the beginning of their 2014 campaigns? Inquiring minds want to know because the theatrics so far have been superb!

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:42 PM

34. spot on.



-p

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Response to Phlem (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:20 AM

53. The suspense is killing me

Is it the same for you? Thanks!

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:14 AM

45. 2014 campaign GOP ad: "We're so good ...even Obama wants to join our party"

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:21 AM

54. LOL

That was good.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:28 PM

31. This is why we need guns

No doubt the outcome of these cuts will be roving bands of 80 + seniors bent on acquiring edible food. How are you going to stop them when they come en masse to the local Kroger's wielding their canes and walkers and defying law and order.
Make no doubt, they will need to be stopped.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:40 PM

37. And big magazines.

Huge.

I've played that zombie game on the iPhone, so I know what it will be like. Descending, voracious hordes, no time to reload.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:10 AM

43. There certainly should be limits to magazines.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:12 AM

44. Well now we know why our military needs over 1 trillion $ a year to protect us.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:25 AM

56. Beware of Tuesdays at Kroger

That's senior discount day! I oughta know! I just qualified for it! I'll see you in the aisle of Kibbles & Bits, sonny! LOL

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:36 AM

75. Not at my Krogers!

Unless it's just the pharmacy....I'll have to look into that possibility. I don't kow of any grocer in the area with a senior discount. Mostly it's restaurants and the day-old bread store....

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Response to Demeter (Reply #75)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:15 PM

80. I've been shopping there for years...

and just learned about it. So it may be something new. You have to be 57 to qualify and they key your Kroger card a certain way so it gives you the automatic discount when checking out. Go to their customer service counter and ask. I find it hard to believe they only offer it in certain stores.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #80)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:22 PM

82. Just turned 58 last week! I will do that!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:00 AM

40. finally, the lightbulb goes off in my head

and I 'get' Third-Way Manny. I am, sadly in light of this piece, elated and enlightened.

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Response to Lifelong Protester (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:34 AM

52. Let's keep it as our little secret, 'kay?

Pay no attention to the Liberal behind the curtain!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #52)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:39 PM

100. Gotcha!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:18 AM

47. All Hail the Third Way!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:23 AM

55. Threesomes are fun, but Third Way is best.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:36 AM

62. it's another round of chess, Manny!!!

GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:59 AM

69. Chess!

Who said Obama wasn't playing Chess? He is forcing them to reveal their true colors before elections while the Dem's as someone said on here, can vote it down. He knew this would happen, at least that is what I am going with. If he didn't do this on their watch, it would continue to be a blame game on the Dem's backs. He called their bluff knowing that his Dem's would never go for it so he is actually taking a hit popularity wise in his last term. I think one day they will pick a part his strategy and I am hoping it will be that it played out like it should have. I am forever an optimist but I could be delusional.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:48 AM

79. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Manny.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:54 PM

88. Why Republicans Suddenly Became Afraid Of Their Own Budget Shadow

Why Republicans Suddenly Became Afraid Of Their Own Budget Shadow
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022690945

Just food for thought.



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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 04:11 PM

90. It is amusing to note the head RAH RAHers are absent from this thread.

I guess they gave up on their own bullshit, it was pretty weak.

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Response to Rex (Reply #90)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:23 PM

98. distracted by other news

 

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