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Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:13 PM

I will not apologize for suspecting those who advocate violence might be guilty of violence

"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands"
-Former NRA President Charlton Heston


"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." … "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches."
-Right-wing radio host G. Gordon Liddy


"“Obama, he’s a piece of sh**. I told him to suck on my machine gun." "Hey Hillary, You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.”
-NRA Board Member Ted Nugent who was waving an assault rifle in the air as he spoke these words


These quotes represent just three of the many pieces of violent rhetoric that has come from the right-wing in recent years. The people who said these disgusting things were not just random right-wingers, they are people who were given giant microphones by the far right.

The right-wing leaders who uttered these disgusting words were not held accountable, G. Gordon Liddy continued to host his radio show, Charlton Heston's "cold dead hands" line was not only cheered by his supporters but was printed onto bumper stickers by the NRA, and Ted Nugent has continued to be reelected to the NRA Board of Directors and provided a microphone to make other violent threats.

Yesterday a tragedy struck in Boston, it happened on Tax Day just a short distance from the site of the original Boston Tea Party. As of right now we don't know exactly who set off the bombs in Boston, but it is certainly not a stretch to see the symbolism of Tax Day and suspect that it might be right-wing extremists who carried this attack out.

Now people tell me that we should wait for the facts to come in before we voice our suspicions, but I feel that we have been seeing the facts for far too long and I can not pretend that these facts do not exist. They may not be facts that point to a specific individual, but they are facts that do raise a lot of suspicions.

The fact is that we have heard far too much of the "from my cold dead hands" rhetoric, we have seen far too many nutty right-wingers tell us that they need an arsenal of guns to protect themselves from the government. They have made no secret of the fact that they dream of using their guns to violently overthrow the government, they want us to think that their guns are needed to protect us from government tyranny. Of course in their world tyranny means allowing gay people to get married and providing health care to poor people.

When I hear violent rhetoric I suspect that at least some of the people pushing that rhetoric are violent people themselves, and when a Tax Day attack happens they are going to be the first people I suspect. The reason I suspect them is based on their behavior, if they did not promote violence I would not suspect them no matter how much I disagreed with them. I disagree with nearly all Republicans, but the vast majority of Republicans I would never suspect of committing a violent act such as this one. There is a small group of them however that does seem extremely dangerous to me, the people who embrace Ted Nugent's violent rhetoric are the type of people who I believe are likely to be violent themselves.

In recent months we have seen right-wingers openly carrying assault rifles into State Capitol buildings in places like Oregon and Washington in order to intimidate law makers who are working pass gun legislation. We have seen the legislators who have introduced gun control bills sent numerous death threats. This is real and it is happening right now, I can't sit and pretend that this sort of violent rhetoric does not make me suspicious.

Maybe in the end I will be proven wrong, maybe it won't be a teabagger that gets arrested maybe it will just be some crazed teenager who was had a sick idea that he thought it would be fun to unleash chaos. Even if I am wrong however I will not apologize for being suspicious because it is the violent rhetoric of a certain group of people that made me suspicious of them, and if a person chooses to speak that violent rhetoric it is their own fault when the finger gets pointed at them when something happens.

The people who promote violence are not innocent, even if they did not have a direct role in planting these bombs they are still responsible for promoting acts of violence and terrorism.

I suspect this bombing was committed by a right-winger who is a fan of the sort of violent rhetoric that I posted at the top of this post. I am not going to make any apologies for voicing my suspicions before all the facts are in because there are more than enough facts to say that a certain group of people have acted in a way that has caused people to be legitimately suspicious of them. If they don't want people suspecting them of violence then they need to stop promoting violence.

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Reply I will not apologize for suspecting those who advocate violence might be guilty of violence (Original post)
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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:18 PM

1. No need to apologize;

we're surrounded by it.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:20 PM

2. You should apologize. And you should feel bad.

You know what the country doesn't need more of? Reactionaries.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:25 PM

5. What is reactionary about suspecting people who promote violence?

There are a small group of right-wingers who do promote violence regularly, when people promote violence they invite suspicions. If they don't want me to be suspicious of them they can stop the violent rhetoric, they can say things I disagree with all they want but once they start advocating violence they invite my suspicion.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:28 PM

10. They invite your suspicion because you want them to be the ones who did this.

Not because you have any higher understanding of the situation.

Let's not BS each other.

You no more have evidence that this attack was carried out by American right-wing extremists than right-wingers have that the attack was carried out by militant Islamists. Both groups promote violence. So according to your logic, both groups are equally suspicious.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:33 PM

18. Your vehemence is odd and curious.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:34 PM

20. My "vehemence" stems from my impatience with disingenuous politicking in the OP.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:37 PM

23. They are not equally suspicious in every case

There have been attacks by Islamic Militants before certainly, but this attack happened on Tax Day not far from the site of the Boston Tea Party. Why would Al Qaeda target Boston on Tax Day?

I don't suspect right-wingers of most of the acts of violence that happen in America, but a Tax Day bombing in Boston seems to send the message they would want to send.

And by the way I don't want anyone to be the ones who did this, this is not about want. This is about a group of people who have invited suspicions on themselves because of their own actions.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:47 PM

31. We bomb their cities and kill their people. They have at least enough motivation.

Yet you automatically target your political enemies. Not because you have any greater evidence for such a suspicion but because you want them to be the ones who have done this.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:54 PM

37. I do consider Islamic terrorists suspects too. The style doesn't quite match, but who knows.

Your issue seems to be including domestic right-wingers in the lists of suspects AT ALL. Why?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #37)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:59 PM

42. Because "suspicion" is a dangerous word to throw around.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #42)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:00 PM

44. What, will it explode or something?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #44)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:02 PM

47. Words as weapons. Suspicion is violent rhetoric.

And it is reflective of the very ideology of which the OP is "suspicious."

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #47)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:03 PM

50. Please elaborate. What bad consequence will happen as a results of somebody publicly saying

"I suspects the culprits of this attack may be right-wingers?"

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:52 PM

108. Islamist Militants routinely use hydrogen peroxide bombs. This was a pressure cooker bomb.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #108)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:55 PM

109. I'm not actually accusing Islamist militants of this attack.

I'm giving an example of how the violence of one's rhetoric does not increase the possibility of one's guilt for a disassociated crime.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #109)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:01 PM

111. Wait now. Let's apply what you just said to the people who kill abortion providers and the ones who

are outspoken about their desire for these people's deaths. In that case their violent rhetoric absolutely has a direct link to their behaviors. Why are you so adverse to use such tactics in this case?


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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #111)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:04 PM

112. So when we find right-wing extremists who said we should bomb the Boston Marathon...

Then we can apply some legitimate suspicion.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #112)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:28 PM

115. Just like the abortion place bombers don't make their plans out in the open neither did the people

who bombed Boston. But there is an entire group who rail against taxes and even have their name attached to one of the clues here. The TEA party.

Yes I am willing to bet that the group or person responsible for this is at least sympathetic with the tea party.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:56 PM

110. Yes there is evidence that this is a home grown right winged anti-tax group or person.

Just look at the facts.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #110)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:05 PM

113. Which facts are you referring to?

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #113)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:40 PM

116. It was done in Boston. On Patriot's Day - a day to celebrate The begining of the revolutionary war

which was started because of taxes levied on to Americans by the British. The Boston Tea party, (which happened very near to where the bombs went off) was a part of the rebellion by "revolutionaries" fighting against taxation, (without representation which the tea part of today fails to remember).

The radical right wings cries have been about taxes. Extremist Muslim militants don't give a rat's behind about us paying taxes and in fact they are probably happy that we have to pay them.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #116)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:46 PM

117. So Tea Partiers blew up a group of marathon spectators to protest taxes...

That's some watertight logic.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #117)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:36 AM

124. Way to throw in a strawman in order to ignore the facts.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:58 AM

121. Why target the marathon?

Because its a large gathering of people with limited security.

Many groups of all stripes advocate violence. Suspecting any one of them over any other one of them at this point is simply a reflection of non-critical thinking.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:06 PM

56. Militant Islamic terror organizations immediately claim credit for their acts of terror.

They want the world to know that they did what they did.

Not one of them has come forth to claim this as one of their operations.



This was a home-grown Right Wing anti-government Teabagger type, bet on it.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #56)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:10 PM

60. It's been 24 hours. You know nothing.

Any bet placed on your part is ill advised.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #60)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:19 PM

64. I'll do as I please, I don't seek or need your permission.

You seem upset that it just might be a home-grown Right Wing Teabagger that committed this act of terror, I guess the fact that most terror acts in this country are committed by people that fit that profile must be lost on you.


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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #60)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:24 PM

93. Why don't YOU STHU?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #93)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:30 PM

94. No?

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:42 AM

118. I'm with you, seems pretty obvious nt

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:08 PM

57. They are not the

only ones advocating violence. Knock yourself out.

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Response to 840high (Reply #57)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:13 PM

61. No they are not the only ones, but they are advocating violence

I have heard violent rhetoric from my own side on a small number of occasions on this site and I have always alerted it, every one of my alerts on violent rhetoric has been hidden.

I don't automatically associate most crime with right-wing politics, but a bombing on Tax Day in Boston? That looks like right-wing terrorism to me.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #61)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:46 PM

107. What if it was merely because it was a large crowd?

I only consider the mindset. Lone gunman, wingnut of any flavor, they are sociopaths and no amount of reasoning or ideology justifies the action. It's just their cover for being a killer. That could be anyone.

I am biased against the right for their continual hatred and calls for violence. I'll freely admit it. And it won't bother them since because it works well.

They practice intimidation and flaunt it online and offline. Their flaunting of the danger they represent, and mockery of calls for restraint makes them a target of suspicion 24/7. They want that.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:13 PM

88. reactionary

I am all for " free speech " , but when it threatens other people with violence , it should be punished as hate speech and inciting to violence .

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:26 PM

7. Who's a reactionary?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:29 PM

12. Anybody who thinks they know who committed this attack with zero evidence.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:31 PM

14. "Thinks they know" and "suspects" are NOT the same thing, you know that, don't you?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:32 PM

15. What is the difference, if you don't mind?

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:36 PM

22. You DON'T know the difference? OK, I'll explain it to you verrrry slowly.

"Suspects" is when you think it's more probable it was X, but it may have been Y or Z.

"Think they know" is when you think it was X and there's no way it was anything else.

Was that clear enough or do I have to make a drawing?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:44 PM

28. No, the OP suspects that right-wingers did this.

In other words, his conclusion is that he thinks it was right-wingers, but that he might be wrong.

And, even then, he won't apologize because, well, he doesn't like the people he accused of murder, so fuck them.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:49 PM

33. Well, YES! Exactly! He DOES believe he might be wrong! Isn't that what rational people do?

Should he not have the stated suspicion in the first place? Are there NO grounds for such suspicion?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:58 PM

40. No, he should not have stated supicion. You've finally figured out my point.

You seem to consider "suspicion" as some sort of benign topic. It is not benign. Suspicious has a dangerous historical significance.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:01 PM

46. What are you afraid of?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #46)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:03 PM

49. I'm afraid we are becoming that which we hate the most.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #49)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:06 PM

54. Spare me the meaningless platitudes. What are you afraid of?

That the evil, powerful liberals are going to organize a pogrom on the poor, oppressed, downtrodden White Christian Conservatives?

Get back to me after reading this: http://www.timwise.org/2013/04/terrorism-and-privilege-understanding-the-power-of-whiteness

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #54)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:08 PM

58. I am afraid we are giving into to the very vitriol and self-assuredness that the right practices.

And this OP is an apparent example of just such a fear.

It's been 24 hours. The government is still investigating and does not know who did this. We should act accordingly; with a passion towards finding those responsible but mature reservation toward blaming any potentially innocent group without an abundance of evidence.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #58)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 01:09 AM

119. What's with the we?

The OP didn't say "Gravitycollapse and I are suspicious." There is no we. Bjorn Against speaks for himself/herself, not for anyone else. So, how did it become we?

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #58)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:25 PM

126. it's not exactly rocket science: we have rw terrorists in this country

who have committed acts of terrorism before. i sure as hell consider them prime suspects in this bombing.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:57 PM

39. He's right; you're wrong. He owes no one an apology, least of all the RW fascists

who call for killing all liberals.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:05 PM

86. Your concern is noted. n/t

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:52 PM

100. You would have us lulled

into complacency even in the face of a disaster such as happened in Boston. You would have us pay no attention,ignore the obvious,and write off the hateful rhetoric of the right wing lunatics among us. And at what cost? To let our guard down? This should be talked up as much as possible among concerned citizens as to do otherwise is to ignore our responsibility to try to keep ourselves and our families safe. The main suspects are those treasonous bastards from the right wing,they've already advertised what they want to do and it isn't as if they are unjustly being picked out of the air. I ask - could you be one of them,spreading your propaganda?

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Response to cartach (Reply #100)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:53 PM

101. Is that the best you can do? Accuse me of supporting right-wing extremists?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:20 PM

3. I agree and I don't want to be politically correct

These ratfuckers are violent and like to blow shit up.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:36 PM

74. Are you talking about

 

islamic extremists or right wing nuts? Or both?

I think you can easily accuse both of this, but without proof, all you have is an accusation, anger and hate. Is that helpful? It feels good, though, right? Accuse someone we already hate, hope we are right and hate them more.

Whether its Islamics or RWNs, it may be better to wait until all the facts come out.

I think it is a Yankee fan, but that is just because that is who stirs anger and hatred in me.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:24 PM

4. I don't suspect Charlton Heston. nt

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Response to pintobean (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:27 PM

9. I suspect the people that he got to cheer him

I am not suggesting any of the three I quoted actually planted the bomb, obviously Charlton Heston could not have done it. One of the people who put the NRA bumper sticker with his quote on their car would be a more likely suspect.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:32 PM

16. I think it's foolish to speculate at this point.

Who do you suspect of sending ricin to a repub senator, the same crowd?

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Response to pintobean (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:45 PM

30. Depends on the facts of the case

It is not like I automatically assume a right-winger is responsible for every crime, the vast majority of crimes I don't associate with politics in any way at all. A bombing of Boston on Tax Day however? That makes me suspicious of one certain group of people.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:24 AM

122. The senator targeted

voted against the fillibuster on gun control. The right wingers in MS couldn't have been happy about that. That said, I have no idea who sent him the ricin.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:25 PM

6. Which is one of the main reasons that non-violent resistance is ultimately the only way out

of this endless cycle of violence begetting more violence; which is why the
drone program is so wrong, as it's creating new "terrorists" faster than it's
eliminating them. This bloodlust a psychic virus, that could all-too-easily go
viral; which is why some are predicting a new civil war in the US.

Not that I think that will happen, nor do I want it to; but just sayin' what's in
the air.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:27 PM

8. The NRA made it impossible to trace ingredients used in explosives.

Wayne La Piss Ant interprets the 2nd Amendment meaning of the word 'arms' to include explosives.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:42 PM

27. Not really true

According to what I found elsewhere on DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022687031

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:29 PM

11. Add anyone who talks about "second amendment solutions" when they lose elections.

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