Some speculation, informed by what we know so far

[nadinbrzezinski]

Since it is speculation...please take this with a huge grain of salt...not even those close to the investigation have a full picture yet.

First, placement of devices was close to the ground, and used the buildings to shape the frce of the wave. This I can say with a high degree of confidence due to injury types.

The rest not so much.

I believe this is internal.

I personally do not think it's a lone wolf but when all is said and done they will be able to pun the tail on one, max two. Proving a conspiracy will be hard.

The fact that we have no claim to fame almost dismisses an international connection, not the MO of insert terror group here, but also makes me wonder if this was more effective than expected and the terrorists are scared out of their minds...this would point to amateur hour.

While the date and place suggest, highly, of RW militias, we have no actual evidence yet, linking to this or not.

Now back to what we actually know.

Which s two improvised devices, a hell of a crime scene to process, and three dead and 174 injured.

The rest, really, as to motive and all that, we lack hard facts.

[clarice]

1. What do you think will happen if we discover that it's NOT internal ?

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Well, depends who

But I am sure the response will be devastating.

That said, I am pretty sure this is internal terror. Des not fit the mo of international actors, and if a government did this, it's an act of war.

[clarice]

4. *sigh* I'm afraid you are right. nt

[Brother Buzz]

2. You just keep thinking, Butch. That's what you're good at.

Kick!

[madinmaryland]

5. I thought we had been told not to speculate?

[clarice]

8. By who ? nt

[Brother Buzz]

10. By to OPer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2678520

[clarice]

12. Sorry, newbie mistake. nt

[sad-cafe]

44. the OP is an expert

all knowing

[zappaman]

13. OP is free to speculate since they

have been a cop, a firefighter, a first responder, a paramedic, an EMT, a journalist, a trained historian, and who knows what else?
Maybe you should not be so jealous and let this professional speculate since they are so close (2600 miles away) to this tragedy...

[Brother Buzz]

22. Marine, climatologist, seismologist.....

The OP's accomplishment are pretty heady, so it's pretty easy to be humbled by someone who claims to be both, a native Californian and an immigrant to the United States.

[zappaman]

24. You left out psychic...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2685485

[WinkyDink]

16. Practically the entire DU population.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. for professional reasons

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I have mostly staid away from it. This is why i was pretty direct in calling it what it is

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. i am making clear this is

For a good reason

[zappaman]

15. Or just cuz you can't help yourself.

But that's a good reason too I suppose...

[LiberalFighter]

6. I believe it is domestic too. Not sure it is militia type.

I may be wrong but think whoever did it were nearby. My first feeling is that it was triggered remotely.

They need to rule out victims. There is always the possibility that anyone responsible either intentionally or accidentally received injuries. Or faked them.

[clarice]

9. I don't know...I have a bad feeling about this. I hope I'm wrong. nt

[treestar]

7. If Islamic terrorists

it is heavily likely it would be a suicide bomber, who would be found at the scene. So not a suicide bomber. Makes it more likely it is home grown terrorists or a lone nutcase mad at the world.

[cali]

11. that's just factually untrue. Take a look at Karachi last

week. several pressure cooker bombs. this is a very widely used device in Pakistan and Afghanistan. No suicide bomber necessary. And the Mumbai train bombing which killed over 200? Pressure cooker bomb.

[The Stranger]

19. April 15, federal income tax day, Patriots Day, . . . April 19 . . .

Usually when its domestic terrorism, they blame it on a lone wolf.

Looks more and more like that is what is going on here.

[cali]

23. actually, it doesn't look like anything yet.

but it will. lots of video and photos to comb through. bomb pieces to analyze.

And for that matter it was also the Israeli Independence day. That's the trouble with speculating- with such a paucity of facts and with facts that can be interpreted to fit this or that scenario- it's rather pointless.

[ieoeja]

29. Israeli Independance was declared May 14th (British mandate ended May 15th). n/t

[cali]

30. it was celebrated today

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/israel-independence-day-2013_n_3092100.html

[The Stranger]

31. No, it actually does look like something. We begin with what we have and go from there.

The links to U.S. domestic terrorism seem far more compelling than Israeli Independence Day.

April 19 was the double anniversary of Branch Davidian Compound and the Oklahoma City Bombing.

[cali]

32. no we don't.

there are no links yet. dates are not links. the fact that pressure cooker bombs are widely used in Afghanistan and Pakistan is not a link. A link is tangible evidence. What you are engaging in is baseless specullation.

[demwing]

34. You both use the word "we" too liberally

I know we are liberals, but come on!

[bettyellen]

41. says the poster who starts OPs balming Moms for their babies murder based on their sniff test, LOL.

[The Stranger]

54. Of course dates are links.

Dates have significance, especially to these people.

There are mountains of evidence that some groups (in particular) find these dates (in particular) to be very significant.

[sarisataka]

17. Suicide bombers are prevalent in the news

but are not the norm, for fairly obvious reasons.

[slackmaster]

48. Maybe they were enlightened Islamic terrorists who figured out that it is not necessary to die...

...in the process of performing a terrorist attack.

[Hoyt]

20. The fact we speculate it's domestic terrorism, indicates there are too many hate groups right here.

It was my first thought too, simply because this kind of low technology stuff is typically domestic terrorism -- KKK church bombings, Atlanta Olympic bomber, McVeigh, etc.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. I admit, i have been expecting

events such ss this one. Part of it is the dramatic rise in hate/patriot groups

[cherokeeprogressive]

47. On your first point I would have to agree.

As far as the low technology issue goes though, I'd point out that upthread it has been noted; pressure cookers are commonly used in lots of incidents we would all agree are terrorist attacks, and in far away places to boot.

So if terrorist bombings are happening in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan, and Mumbai using pressure cookers as vessels, how can pressure cookers also be an indication this is most likely tied to domestic militia groups?

[Wellstone ruled]

25. Try this on for size.

Pressure cookers 6 quart

BB's

carpet tacks or wire brads

black powder

Back pack-black
Your can purchase all this junk at your local Wally World,duh.

Just check the SKU's at local stores for someone purchasing 2 cookers,no one buys more than one of these at a time. Its a just one of the most under used house hold items. Every store tracks this crap.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. won't speculste

Further...but i amsure that is one line of enquiry

As to least used...my mom has bought three in her lifetime, and actuallyused each at least twuce a week

[zappaman]

27. "won't speculste"

but will "speculste" anyway.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

33. I am thinking smokeless powder, not black powder

Its just my guess based on the video

[Llewlladdwr]

51. "Just check the SKU's at local stores ..."

Not much help if they paid in cash. I suppose you might be able to identify the cashier who made the sale and possibly get a description of the purchaser.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

28. Shit goes down every year now on Hitler's birthday or nearby.

This has been going on since the mid 1990s.
Either bombs or a mass murder.

I'm not sure which incident was the first one.

[slackmaster]

49. April 15 is the birthday of Kim Il Sung

[Paul E Ester]

35. IRA

The Supreme Court on Monday turned away an appeal that sought to keep interviews with former Irish Republican Army members from being turned over to police in Northern Ireland.

The order leaves in place a lower court ruling that ordered Boston College to give the Justice Department portions of recorded interviews with convicted IRA car bomber Dolours Price. Federal officials want to forward the recordings to police investigating the IRA’s 1972 killing of Belfast widow, Jean McConville.

Price, 61, who died in January, and other former IRA members were interviewed between 2001 and 2006 as part of The Belfast Project – a Boston College oral history meant as a resource for journalists, scholars and historians studying the long conflict in Northern Ireland. Price’s death was not considered suspicious.

The interviews were supposed to be kept secret until the deaths of the subjects. The researchers who ran the project and conducted the interviews have argued that the participants’ lives could be endangered if their identities are revealed publicly because they could be branded as informants.

http://www.wbur.org/2013/04/15/ira-tapes-boston-college

[Kali]

36. seriously?

after you lectured us not to yesterday?

[zappaman]

39. ....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022685232#post13

[Kali]

40. had a brother-in-law like that

fucker was an expert at ANYTHING that would come up in conversation. we would just fuck with him and try to talk about the weirdest shit...


he wasn't an arrogant jerk who lectured anybody that called him on it or even just asked a question, though

[1-Old-Man]

37. I am simply amazed no one (R) has blamed Iran for this yet - but I'm sure someone will.

If you want to know who will be blamed all you have to do is ask yourself what country do our elites most wish to bomb? Iran perhaps?

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Heard that one this morning

From a fox watcher.

[librechik]

38. My guess: young Gun Lover(s)unaffiliated with formal gun loving groups or militias

took the rhetoric too seriously and decided to make a statement about how easy it is to kill folks without a gun.

[Hoyt]

53. Would not doubt it. Someone hoping to get a medal from NRA or milita group.

[deaniac21]

42. Has the look of an

anarco-syndicalist action.

[Brickbat]

45. Your caveats don't make your speculation more valid than anyone else's.

Hilarious.

[zappaman]

46. Actually it does

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022685232#post13

[sad-cafe]

52. are you sure?

she is the all mighty expert in all things remember? We should all be so lucky to have her expertise telling us what to do, say and think while we breathlessly await her "reporting" from 2000 miles away.

[MineralMan]

55. Your guess is as good as anyone with no more information

than you have. That's not saying much, though.

We'll find out what happened. Wait for it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. I am glad I did not jump on a certain band wagon

We have no actual evidence yet

This is good, to be careful

[Brother Buzz]

57. How can you jump on the wagon when you're pulling it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2711488

[Brickbat]

58. Now you're just messing with us.