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Report1212

(661 posts)
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 01:45 PM Apr 2013

Elizabeth Warren "Shocked" By Obama's Embrace Of Social Security cuts



Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) just sent out an email to her supporters responding to President Obama’s budget, which includes a chained CPI that would cut Social Security and veterans benefits.

Warren says she’s “shocked” by Obama’s proposal, which would amount to a “fancy way to say ‘cut benefits for seniors, the permanently disabled, and orphans.’” Read Warren’s full e-mail below:

Read more: http://boldprogressives.org/elizabeth-warren-shocked-by-obama-chained-cpi-proposal-to-cut-benefits-for-seniors-vets/
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Elizabeth Warren "Shocked" By Obama's Embrace Of Social Security cuts (Original Post) Report1212 Apr 2013 OP
K&R CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #1
I'm shocked about how naive she is. The Link Apr 2013 #2
She is merely being diplomatic. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #5
CORRECT Skittles Apr 2013 #39
More diplomatic than 'horrified' tblue Apr 2013 #54
Shock is the appropriate response when ... ananda Apr 2013 #29
Naive she's not... Veilex Apr 2013 #41
Nope. This is either a giant experiment in dealing with in intransigence or SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #44
Will you explain? Or are you just here to drop a turd and run? nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #47
she shouldn't be shocked. He's been telegraphing that ages. cali Apr 2013 #3
who knows? maybe she's been waiting for a new telegraph, and realizes one isn't coming Ninga Apr 2013 #20
Such disloyalty to POB!!! Clearly she's a professional leftist doing the work of republicans. HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #4
sarcasm? lark Apr 2013 #19
heh. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #49
It would be hard on her if she had to vote on it treestar Apr 2013 #53
Hard on her? Fearless Apr 2013 #65
No budget would NOT be more harmful than a Chained CPI. And if we had courageous leaders sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #66
K&R. I just feel sick. Sick and angry. My mom's life isn't a political game. myrna minx Apr 2013 #6
Nobody's mom. I hear ya. tblue Apr 2013 #57
"We can't chip away at America's middle class and break the promise we make to our seniors." NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #7
Yes she did really well Report1212 Apr 2013 #8
The real test for alll Democrats in the Senate Liberalynn Apr 2013 #9
+1000! FirstLight Apr 2013 #12
Amen to that demokatgurrl Apr 2013 #72
"Willing to filibuster" - that's good - I'm gonna ask Gillibrand and Schumer closeupready Apr 2013 #14
Schumer has been in favor of Chained CPI in the past few months. Not alsame Apr 2013 #22
I called her office when news broke that Obama had it in his budget Liberalynn Apr 2013 #60
Thanks, that's good to know. I'll make my alsame Apr 2013 #64
You're welcome Liberalynn Apr 2013 #62
Indeed, what happens if chained-cpi is part of a 'grand bargain' bill that contains some good things PoliticAverse Apr 2013 #25
More to the point - why are we being presented with Sophie's Choice? djean111 Apr 2013 #38
Exactly that's what we need to know Liberalynn Apr 2013 #61
A "grand bargain bill that contains some good things?" Come on! LongTomH Apr 2013 #80
Elizabeth...Meet The Bus Armstead Apr 2013 #10
Awfully crowded under here. tblue Apr 2013 #56
Sorry, all I can see is your feet Armstead Apr 2013 #59
At least a new (real) Democratic party... dotymed Apr 2013 #74
K&R. Thanks, Elizabeth Warren. Thanks for understanding and being JDPriestly Apr 2013 #11
If she is on SS, it's doubtful that she is solely relying on that. Not being the MIL of the SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #51
Ms. Warren, PLEASE run for President in 2016! closeupready Apr 2013 #13
Seconded Liberalynn Apr 2013 #63
I sincerely hope she decides SheilaT Apr 2013 #15
Nice! KoKo Apr 2013 #16
Okay, I'll just K&R this one too! bullwinkle428 Apr 2013 #17
Damn it! Another commie fucking professional leftist, we're infested with Reds! Dragonfli Apr 2013 #18
We have to admit it: Michelle Bachmann was right. MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #36
A visionary, maybe she will be a champion rooting out the emoprog menace Dragonfli Apr 2013 #40
K&R forestpath Apr 2013 #21
A great woman! colorado_ufo Apr 2013 #23
K & R Ganja Ninja Apr 2013 #24
Rec. When the people who we know are in our corner come out against this, gateley Apr 2013 #26
Sanders-Warren 2016. Jackpine Radical Apr 2013 #27
+1 abelenkpe Apr 2013 #34
+1000 nt Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #75
Re: Jackal87 Apr 2013 #76
It's 2013. You found this info where? Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #78
Re: Jackal87 Apr 2013 #79
Me too, Liz, me too. Dryvinwhileblind Apr 2013 #28
I love Sen Warren but the word choice of "shocked" made me snicker... tokenlib Apr 2013 #30
just another emoprog pouting over the lack of ponies.. frylock Apr 2013 #31
+1 n/t whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #35
Just like any thinking person in the 99% would be Blue Owl Apr 2013 #32
Thanks for this! Can you cross post to the Elizabeth Warren group, also? MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #33
It's what happens in a country with torture camps and criminal banks just1voice Apr 2013 #37
At this point ---Elizabeth Warren can shit in my Cheerios ... trumad Apr 2013 #42
She wasn't paying attention. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #43
I don't blame her at all, but an important thing to remember is that Obama didn't actually EMBRACE.. AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #45
Don't you apologists get tired of repeating that propaganda meme? just1voice Apr 2013 #46
I would have agreed with you a few years ago, TBH..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #48
Never apparently. Go figure. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #52
That too treestar Apr 2013 #55
Dad's bluffs may succeed when he plays poker with the rent money eridani Apr 2013 #68
Yeeeeeaaaaah... woo me with science Apr 2013 #71
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #50
OMG - How Will The Obama Fan Club Respond? cantbeserious Apr 2013 #58
It doesn't surprise me that Senator Warren is shocked. Jasana Apr 2013 #67
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2013 #69
You think she's shocked? SmittynMo Apr 2013 #70
We really have to wait and see. disndat Apr 2013 #73
It's just the right tone to embarrass Obama, but also give him a chance to reverse course. reformist2 Apr 2013 #77

tblue

(16,350 posts)
54. More diplomatic than 'horrified'
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 05:04 PM
Apr 2013

or 'nauseated' or 'appalled' or 'pissed.' Nothing naive about Elizabeth Warren.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
41. Naive she's not...
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 04:16 PM
Apr 2013

However, theres an etiquette that must be maintained for image sake. She's doing exactly what needs doing on her part. She's a stellar woman!

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
44. Nope. This is either a giant experiment in dealing with in intransigence or
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 04:28 PM
Apr 2013

or a vain attempt to appear centrist (seeing as the center isn't even on the chart anymore).

Ninga

(8,266 posts)
20. who knows? maybe she's been waiting for a new telegraph, and realizes one isn't coming
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:17 PM
Apr 2013

so she conveys that she is "shocked".. Maybe she was shocked along time ago and waiting until now to say it. who know?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. It would be hard on her if she had to vote on it
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 05:04 PM
Apr 2013

But, since Boner says no anyway, she won't have that test come up.

Some day she is going to be between a rock and a hard place, and it will be interesting to see what she does.

For instance, here, we are going to be without a budget, right? Eventually that will be more harmful that a chained CPI.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
65. Hard on her?
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:24 AM
Apr 2013

She'd vote against chained CPI. Clearly and easily. As would anyone with a conscience.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
66. No budget would NOT be more harmful than a Chained CPI. And if we had courageous leaders
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:51 AM
Apr 2013

and some real democratic leadership, there would no chance of either happening.

If Warren were to become a betrayer also and vote against everything she has claimed to stand for, she would be finished politically.

I don't think the Democratic leadership has grasped what this has done. This was always going to be the last straw, a betrayal on SS. So many of us who worked so hard for so long to get Democrats elected, despite many disappointments along the way, always had one line that could not be crossed and that was SS.

If Congressional Democrats do not distance themselves now from this President on this issue, there will be be an unprecedented exodus from the Democratic Party. Maybe it's time we have tolerated far too much for far too long. And it's clear the Democratic Leadership despises the Left anyhow. I think this has become what will be a historical change in the dynamics of party politics. Everyone I talk to is ready now for something new, for real change.

I don't know who advised this president that SS was no longer the 'third rail of politics' but whoever it was should be fired.

Paul Ryan told George Bush the same thing in 1995 and Bush believed it. He set out on what was going to be a fifty state tour, using what he thought was his 'political capital' to try to do what this president thought he could do. Bush never made it past a few states before being sent home by the American people, Republicans AND Democrats.

There is a reason why SS has been called the 'third rail of politics'.

He never should have done this.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. "We can't chip away at America's middle class and break the promise we make to our seniors."
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:00 PM
Apr 2013

I got the letter, too.

Go, Warren!

Report1212

(661 posts)
8. Yes she did really well
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:03 PM
Apr 2013

Few Democrats are challenging their leader in this way and I know she failed to do so on some key issues around Brennan but I'm glad she's stepping up here.

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
9. The real test for alll Democrats in the Senate
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:08 PM
Apr 2013

will be if a vote comes up. It is not enough to say your are against it or even vote against it.

You have to be willing to filibuster it even though it comes from your own party.

Hope Sen Warren will be willing to go that step further.

I am glad either way that she is at least speaking out against this.

FirstLight

(13,352 posts)
12. +1000!
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:11 PM
Apr 2013

...but I have to say I have very little faith in our govt/congress to do what's RIGHT...no matter the party, they are ALL OWNED by the banks and special interests, oil lobby, pharma, etc...

we are no longer represented by our Govt.

demokatgurrl

(3,931 posts)
72. Amen to that
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 11:37 AM
Apr 2013

And sadly, I fear there is no turning back. Now that we are in their grip, we are permanently fucked. It's gotten so I can't bear to even read the news.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
14. "Willing to filibuster" - that's good - I'm gonna ask Gillibrand and Schumer
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:12 PM
Apr 2013

what they intend to do. Thanks.

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
60. I called her office when news broke that Obama had it in his budget
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 07:18 PM
Apr 2013

Her office staff person said she is totally against Chained CPI and would not vote for it.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
25. Indeed, what happens if chained-cpi is part of a 'grand bargain' bill that contains some good things
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:06 PM
Apr 2013

Who will vote against it or filibuster it ?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
38. More to the point - why are we being presented with Sophie's Choice?
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 04:04 PM
Apr 2013

It is getting sickening. Sophie's Choice from Obama, Sophie's Choice (weird shit choices, IMO) from some people here?
Like - should I hit you in the face or the stomach? With a hammer or a rock? Starve old people or young people?

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
61. Exactly that's what we need to know
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 07:20 PM
Apr 2013

Even if some are willing to vote against it, it won't matter if not enough of them will be willing to vote against it to stop it from passing.

We need some of them promising to make sure it will get fillibustered no matter what.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
80. A "grand bargain bill that contains some good things?" Come on!
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 11:19 PM
Apr 2013

This whole 'grand bargain' is just a matter of "How much shit are you willing to eat?"

My answer is none.....at least not on the big issues!

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
74. At least a new (real) Democratic party...
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:08 PM
Apr 2013

one that holds the values of The New Deal sacrosanct and is geared at turning back the political espionage that has undermined it. A party that will fight for "commoners" and push for the changes that FDR was striving for before his death.

The 3rd way democratic party is an extension the repub party and it is time to make them extinct like the actual dino's.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. K&R. Thanks, Elizabeth Warren. Thanks for understanding and being
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:09 PM
Apr 2013

on our side. I wonder whether Obama's mother-in-law is on Social Security. Her husband may have left her a public employee's pension. In any event, living in the White House, the Obama's would not realize what it means to live on Social Security.

I bet that if his mother-in-law is on Social Security, she may be the only person that Obama sees on a regular basis who relies on that check every month for most or all of his or her income.

This is a blind spot in Obama's vision, a huge blind spot.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,129 posts)
51. If she is on SS, it's doubtful that she is solely relying on that. Not being the MIL of the
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 04:55 PM
Apr 2013

President...she not.

There is where his blind spot come in.


Maybe he thinks all seniors have some additional income in addition to their EARNED benefits from SS.



Or maybe he is just a corporate tool who really doesn't give a $hit about how hard it is to exist on SS alone.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. I sincerely hope she decides
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:12 PM
Apr 2013

to run for President in 2016, and that the heart of her campaign is protecting Social Security, Medicare, all veteran's benefits, and bringing to account those who nearly destroyed our economy.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
18. Damn it! Another commie fucking professional leftist, we're infested with Reds!
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:13 PM
Apr 2013

It is time to hold hearings and root out all these reds or "professional leftists" as is the polite term.
I know they have infested the entertainment industry, now we know they even have agents in the Senate. We need some sort of House Committee on Un-American Activities to find all the emoprog leftist traitors!

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
36. We have to admit it: Michelle Bachmann was right.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:46 PM
Apr 2013
?

(One of my favorite bits of television ever starts at 5:44.)

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
40. A visionary, maybe she will be a champion rooting out the emoprog menace
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 04:13 PM
Apr 2013

I am not sure what to think, smartypants and a few other intellectual powerhouses haven't told me what I'm thinking yet regarding this brave woman's foresight.

But I do know there is a professional leftist commie eprog infestation that must be dealt with! It is very disturbing, did you know that some 80% of the population is part of this lefty conspiracy? They have the gaul to disagree with the serious, sensible cuts that Obama is proposing so he can save us!
They are giving Republicans just what they want!

(when I watched that as it happened I literally choked on some tea and went from coughing to laughing in a very ungraceful display, I thought that would end her political career, I forgot the axiom - conservatives can never get enough stupid)

gateley

(62,683 posts)
26. Rec. When the people who we know are in our corner come out against this,
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:08 PM
Apr 2013

I listen.

Obama needs to listen, too.

Jackal87

(43 posts)
79. Re:
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:46 PM
Apr 2013

That's the most likely result in 2016, she'll win as much states as gore did and with 2010 demographic changes the EV's count up to 257. The last time we tried a far left candidates we burned and crashed. Ex: McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry. I don't hate either of them but i want to win, i'd rather we have moderate candidates(*cough* bill *cough obama) with broad based appeal who might upset me a little then ideological candidates who have little chance of winning the swing states who end up giving the election to the other guy.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
30. I love Sen Warren but the word choice of "shocked" made me snicker...
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:20 PM
Apr 2013

..just like the "shocked at gambling" in Casablanca. Of course it got my attention...

frylock

(34,825 posts)
31. just another emoprog pouting over the lack of ponies..
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

or something. i'm sure someone will be along to set things straight for Senator Warren with a blog posting from some unknown hack telling her that she's handing the republicans the keys to the store.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
33. Thanks for this! Can you cross post to the Elizabeth Warren group, also?
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:40 PM
Apr 2013

If not, I can put something up there.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
37. It's what happens in a country with torture camps and criminal banks
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:49 PM
Apr 2013

She's fully aware of the criminal banks but I wish people, including her, would start pointing out that as long as we let the worst political criminals in the history of the country go free after they conspired to start a war with a network of propaganda, set up torture camps, outed CIA agents and threatened us all with fake terror alerts everyday, NOTHING WILL CHANGE, it's only going to get worse.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
45. I don't blame her at all, but an important thing to remember is that Obama didn't actually EMBRACE..
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 04:31 PM
Apr 2013

SS cuts, as some may claim. Rather, he is trying to outmaneuver the Republicans, a move which I hope doesn't backfire on him....or us, for that matter.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
48. I would have agreed with you a few years ago, TBH.....
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 04:42 PM
Apr 2013

But I wasn't so aware of the truth then.

The truth is, no matter what kind of language Obama may or may not openly use, what I have said is the truth. I do very much hope that chained CPI doesn't pass, even due to the bullheadedness of many Republicans, but to say that Obama truly does support cutting SS is misinformation at best......and, dare I say, perhaps reminiscent(even if not intentionally!) of GOP agitprop at the worst.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
55. That too
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 05:04 PM
Apr 2013

Anyone not trying to come up with a passing budget with a Boner house is welcome to make suggestions, but somehow, they never do. Suggestions Boner would even consider, too.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
68. Dad's bluffs may succeed when he plays poker with the rent money
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 03:09 AM
Apr 2013

However, he shouldn't be doing this in the first place!

Jasana

(490 posts)
67. It doesn't surprise me that Senator Warren is shocked.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 03:05 AM
Apr 2013

Should she ever have to vote on something like this, I firmly believe she will vote no way. If she doesn't you have my official permission to call me naive and stupid.

disndat

(1,887 posts)
73. We really have to wait and see.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 11:58 AM
Apr 2013

This is supposed to bring the Repubs to the table. They refused last time chained CPI was supposed to do the same. I still think Obama is playing 3-dimensional chess and the progressives are playing along with their loud objections.

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