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Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:08 PM

Someone didn't get the lesson in 2010

Someone was riding high in 2008, surfing a popular wave of support into the White House on promises that included repealing the Bush Tax Cuts and delivering health care reform that contained a robust Public Option. Volunteers worked overtime to move both heaven and earth during that 2008 electoral campaign. Democrats gained large majorities in both houses. By early 2010 enthusiasm had drained from large sectors of the Democratic activist base. The Bush tax cuts remained in place and the Public Option vanished. Many progressive activists were demoralized. Democrats across the board got killed in the 2010 mid term elections.

All of the above is simple factual truth. Is it fair what happened, was it inevitable, did our President have other options? All of that can be argued, and has been argued, and no doubt will continue to be argued. But those are the facts regardless of who deserves to be blamed for what happened in 2010.

Someone was also riding high in 2012, surfing another wave of support into the White House on promises that included repealing the Bush tax cuts on earnings over $250,000 a year, and a pledge to protect Social Security and Medicare. Democratic activists fully engaged in the fight to return our sitting Democratic President, putting aside any prior disappointments for the most part. The Democratic turn out was extraordinary, and Democrats gained seats in both Houses of Congress. Not long after the election, the top 2% of Americans managed to permanently keep their Bush tax cuts on earnings below $400,000 (or $450,000 for couples) instead of the $250,000 cut off that our President had campaigned and won on.

The amount of revenues lost to the federal treasury over the next decade because of that upward tax cut revision is over three times greater than the amount of savings the treasury would pocket over that period through cutting Social Security benefits by shifting to the Chained CPI. The man who now proposes doing just that is the same man we elected in both 2008 and 2012, our Democratic President. Look around this Democratic Board at what's going on here. Anything look familiar? How well do you figure our party is positioned now to mobilize for the next mid term elections?

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Reply Someone didn't get the lesson in 2010 (Original post)
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 OP
haikugal Apr 2013 #1
limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #2
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #7
madfloridian Apr 2013 #21
PinkFloyd Apr 2013 #87
xtraxritical Apr 2013 #13
gateley Apr 2013 #27
graham4anything Apr 2013 #38
Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #40
Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #54
CrispyQ Apr 2013 #95
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #43
graham4anything Apr 2013 #48
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #53
graham4anything Apr 2013 #55
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #56
graham4anything Apr 2013 #57
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #58
graham4anything Apr 2013 #61
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #90
graham4anything Apr 2013 #91
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #92
graham4anything Apr 2013 #102
awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #97
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #78
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #83
sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #84
graham4anything Apr 2013 #85
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #89
Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #103
graham4anything Apr 2013 #110
Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #114
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #88
FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #76
Armstead Apr 2013 #3
AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #4
Skittles Apr 2013 #6
slipslidingaway Apr 2013 #10
Skittles Apr 2013 #18
slipslidingaway Apr 2013 #25
Denver Progressive Apr 2013 #15
840high Apr 2013 #17
forestpath Apr 2013 #5
Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #9
bvar22 Apr 2013 #8
cantbeserious Apr 2013 #11
nakocal Apr 2013 #12
Fuddnik Apr 2013 #14
Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2013 #23
eridani Apr 2013 #41
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #80
eridani Apr 2013 #108
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #117
suffragette Apr 2013 #59
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #79
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #86
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #100
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #113
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #116
TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #96
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #99
joshcryer Apr 2013 #45
graham4anything Apr 2013 #50
joshcryer Apr 2013 #112
juajen Apr 2013 #34
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #44
graham4anything Apr 2013 #49
AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #35
Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #16
Skittles Apr 2013 #19
tblue Apr 2013 #24
gateley Apr 2013 #28
Union Scribe Apr 2013 #32
graham4anything Apr 2013 #52
JHB Apr 2013 #47
ReRe Apr 2013 #20
treestar Apr 2013 #22
slipslidingaway Apr 2013 #30
octoberlib Apr 2013 #39
treestar Apr 2013 #68
Union Scribe Apr 2013 #33
treestar Apr 2013 #69
tavalon Apr 2013 #26
99Forever Apr 2013 #29
emsimon33 Apr 2013 #31
Phlem Apr 2013 #36
MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #37
eridani Apr 2013 #42
joshcryer Apr 2013 #46
eridani Apr 2013 #104
joshcryer Apr 2013 #105
eridani Apr 2013 #106
joshcryer Apr 2013 #107
eridani Apr 2013 #109
joshcryer Apr 2013 #111
xchrom Apr 2013 #51
suffragette Apr 2013 #60
FlyByNight Apr 2013 #62
BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #63
Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #64
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #82
BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #93
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #98
99Forever Apr 2013 #65
BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #66
L0oniX Apr 2013 #67
Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #72
fried eggs Apr 2013 #70
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #71
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #81
datasuspect Apr 2013 #119
pam4water Apr 2013 #73
WillyT Apr 2013 #74
Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #75
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #77
CrispyQ Apr 2013 #94
Nite Owl Apr 2013 #101
Zorra Apr 2013 #115
avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #118

Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:13 PM

1. There you have it...

Thanks for posting.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:21 PM

2. Maybe he got the wrong lesson.

"I need to work harder to convince Democrats they have to accept entitlement cuts"

And about mobilizing for the midterm elections - let's mobilize for the primary elections and run the corporate cronies out. Let's get serious about pinning down people on how they will vote, before we nominate them. If a candidate can't make specific commitments to protect social security, they really don't deserve to be nominated from the Democratic party. Too often people run unopposed and so there is no incentive for them to do the right thing.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:37 PM

7. A lot of Democratic members of Congress have some tough decisions to make

And those decisions will have consequences, for them as well as for us.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:07 AM

21. Yes, Tom, they do.

Really tough decisions.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:36 PM

13. Holder better get busy on voting restrictions that the RepubliCONs are

 

ramming thru state legislatures.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:19 AM

27. Yes!

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:42 AM

38. Aided and abetted 100% by any criticism of the President. The old Nader strategy to divide

 

The protesters threats are the same as voting restriction worries
A vote not for a democratic candidate(or one that caucus with the Dems) is a direct vote for the republican, no matter how they hide it is not true.

Of course, one has the right to do it, but

How dense are the faux protesters?

Any disent is a vote for the republicans.
So, hope those who do so will be happy with Jeb Bush.
Please though, sign a pledge when that happens that you won't be whining afterward.

Much like those in NH who did not vote for Al Gore in some foolish mock protest, or stayed home, should never again have been allowed to whine without admitting how foolish that protest was
(Being that the 4 electoral votes won by W in NH, meant Al Gore only got 267 and the four would have meant 271 and victory regardless of Florida.)

They stay at home and seemingly want to elect the repubs so they can bottle the whine and market it like the alt-media heroes they love do, time and again.

Nader of course doesn't need SS at all, he got so rich off his whine, he can live to 100 or more without ever needing to make another penny(but of course he will not work for free, as he don't work for free)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:42 AM

40. Jesus

The fact that nobody has responded to this just goes to show that half of DU must have you on ignore.

Perhaps I'll join them, as I have yet to see you post anything worth the time it takes to read.

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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:06 AM

54. Like roadside litter, an eyesore that adds nothing to the landscape

nt

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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 08:21 PM

95. ~lol



I knew I could relate to someone named Flying Squirrel.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 07:34 AM

43. This OP was an observation about how things tend to play out...

...when major elements of a party's base are demoralized. Do you know what seldom works when people are demoralized? Lecturing them on why they are the problem. Have you ever heard the expression "red meat for the base"? It's a political truism, and it is so for a reason. Politics, it can be argued, "should" always be logical but much of it boils down to emotional. Like others here have posted Democrats didn't lose in 2010 because Progressives didn't vote for Democrats. Progressives were and always are the most reliable "non ethnic" demographic base for Democrats. We almost always vote, and when an election is on the line we almost always vote for Democrats.

But when enthusiasm is sapped energy is sapped also. Psychology has a term to describe that state; depression. Lectures aren't so effective with depression, ask anyone who works in mental health or anyone who has ever been really depressed. Chances are you can ask yourself and you already know the answer It's not progressive votes that are most at jeopardy when Democratic leaders turn away from core Democratic beliefs, it is passion. And passion fuels the hard work, education and outreach efforts needed to mobilize less committed Democratic voters to show up at the polls on election day. The progressives were there in 2010, Democratic leaning people less deeply committed to politics were the ones who failed to show.

There is a cause and effect scenario that predictably plays out when your hardest workers feel slapped in the face. You can argue that people shouldn't let that get to them, you can also argue that dogs should be able to fly. It won't make it so. Meanwhile actions like a Democratic President taking the lead on cutting Social Security benefits understandably blurs the ideological distinctions between the two main parties in the general public's mind. And when the average citizen starts to conclude that "politicians are essentially all the same" they are more likely to blow off voting. The Democrats are in the process of setting themselves up for a hit in 2014 now whether or not you fear the consequences of that and argue that we can't afford it.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #43)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 08:23 AM

48. Cause and Effect-person NOT for the democratic candidate EFFECT-votes the repub.in

 

The protest motif' is a faux choice.

Everytime there has been a fracture- the republicans have won
Since Adlai Stevenson lost.
EVERY SINGLE TIME

Put a close pin on and vote for the democratic candidate or whine
Those that didn't vote for Jon Corzine got what they deserved in Chris Christie.
I voted for Corzine.I personally don't give a crap about any scandal, because well, I know Chris Christie.
Don't care if he had problems
I don't care if on Andrew Cuomo's watch, NY State has one corruption scandal after another and Andrew isn't doing squat. (Now, I don't want him anywhere near the presidency, but I will support him for Governor even with this Albany scandal.

Would rather someone like Bill Bradley the whiner who dribbled the ball out of the arena had stepped to the plate,(double different sport metophor), but he was too busy doing who knows what? (Autograph signings perhaps of his whiny book???)

There is NO protest worthy of electing
Ike
Nixon
Reagan
41
43
Jeb,Rubio,Christie,Condie,Hucklebee,or anyone else.
and any of draconian repub/teaparty

vote A or B
a vote for C is a vote for A or B
there is NO C that is NOT a vote for A or B


The democratic party would indeed be best with 100% pure democratic voters and no libertarian/teaparty/naderites/3rdpartyites all of whom have a hidden agenda that is
anti-democratic party.
So screw them. No one needs their vote.
Could have had 80 straight years.

Someone like Jerry Brown, he finished as Governor and continued public service in smaller jobs. There is no shame in that.

I am sure some district Russ Feingold could have won for the house or assembly, instead of forming a lobby group.
Like that Cindy Sheehan who overstayed her welcome.
She couldn't find a small district to run for instead of a silly run against Pelosi?
Didn't she actually want to serve?
Or just keep 15 more minutes than out?

Why don't the alt media guru superstars run for office in some district they might be welcome in, instead of profiting from the whine?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #48)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 08:56 AM

53. I am not talking about protests, why are you?

OK, on second thought I am taking about protests. I am talking about protesting policies that one strongly opposes. Is there something inherently undemocratic about that? I have, as an adult, under Nixon, Ford, Reagan, BushI and BushII, seen plenty of Democrats protest against policies they opposed. Or are you saying that we should only protest policies supported by Republican Presidents? In other words, if a Democratic President supports it, it must be OK? I guess all of those anti Viet Nam War protestors should have simply supported LBJ's massive escalation of that war then because a Democrat was behind it.

We are talking about what happens when the leaders of the political party that one is aligned with adapt policies that strongly run counter to ones' core political and ethical values. Just shut up and take it because the other party is as bad or worse? Do you figure that is an effective theory for social change, heck not even change exactly, is that an effective way to protect hard fought and critical victories already won? Even so, I can't remember an election I've missed or a non totally corrupt Democrat that I have ever failed to vote for when the chips were down and there was no other viable alternative. When I was young in New York sometimes there actually were viable alternatives, Republicans who also ran on the Liberal Party line such as Sen. Jacob Javits, but I still voted Democratic. But you can't manufacture enthusiasm, it simply can't be done. One can appeal to "duty" and that can make some difference, but it just isn't the same, and anyone who is honest about it knows it.

I support President Obama on plenty of issues; guns, immigration, voting rights, the environment etc. I am not shy about that. I oppose him on Social Security, and I am not shy about that either. I receive Social Security - should I be silent about what happens to a program that in many concrete ways my life literally depends on? I wouldn't be if this was President Romney proposing shifting to a Chained CPI, but you think I should be because it is President Obama? I am not some alt media superstar, I am talking about my own life, not trying to score imaginary brownie points in some alternative talking heads universe by trashing a Democratic President.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #53)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:51 AM

55. In hindsight, every fracture put the republicans in office. INCLUDING 1968

 

Why should it be about you and not the collective everything as a whole being better than anything the other side offers?

You of course have a 100% right to protest.
But the effect of those that follow you not voting when the time comes for A makes B the winner. (or one less vote if its a stay at home).
The collective positives far outnumber the few negatives

(Same as LBJ, noone was further left/liberal/progressive on 100% of all social issues, yet
the protesters of the war seemed not realize that any president would have done the same on the war. NO other president did what LBJ did on the social issues.
And Nixon begot the Bush's and look how not getting LBJ led to the Bush's.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #55)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:12 AM

56. Do you think I am advocating not fighting for Democrats in elections?

That is a shallow and mistaken read of what I wrote. I am advocating for Democrats fighting for us between elections, and pointing out what tends to happen when they don't. Don't blame me for reality.

By the way, were it not for an assassin, RFK would have been elected President in 1968, and this world would now be a much better place had he been. And RFK would not have run for President were it not for the Anti Viet Nam War protests.

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