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Sun Apr 7, 2013, 08:41 AM

Carl Sagan's foreboding





other quotes from the book

http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/252618-the-demon-haunted-world-science-as-a-candle-in-the-dark

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Reply Carl Sagan's foreboding (Original post)
Ichingcarpenter Apr 2013 OP
Flashmann Apr 2013 #1
mgc1961 Apr 2013 #2
cantbeserious Apr 2013 #3
smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #4
JayhawkSD Apr 2013 #5
Ichingcarpenter Apr 2013 #6
John2 Apr 2013 #7
mgc1961 Apr 2013 #8
bread_and_roses Apr 2013 #11
LiberalAndProud Apr 2013 #24
ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #9
cilla4progress Apr 2013 #17
hue Apr 2013 #10
pangaia Apr 2013 #12
greiner3 Apr 2013 #13
titanicdave Apr 2013 #14
pink-o Apr 2013 #15
cilla4progress Apr 2013 #19
cilla4progress Apr 2013 #16
jpn.best Apr 2013 #18
cilla4progress Apr 2013 #20
ananda Apr 2013 #21
freshwest Apr 2013 #22
WillyT Apr 2013 #23

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 08:43 AM

1. Carl Sagan's foreboding

Looks like he pretty well nailed it.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 08:48 AM

2. I miss Carl.

 

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 08:53 AM

3. Truer Words Are Seldom Writ

eom

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 09:03 AM

4. Great person.

Where have all the great people gone these days? There doesn't seem to be many of them left.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 09:49 AM

5. key graf there

"when, our critical facilities in decline, we are unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true."

You think he's talking about Republicans, don't you? He's talking about both sides.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 09:55 AM

6. The bamboozle has captured us

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:05 AM

7. Did he follow any

 

religion? I think many politicians, especially Republicans use Religion to make people dumb. Afterall who is going to question God? I do not believe for one moment they believe some of the things they say themselves. I doubt he can throw that criticism at Liberals though. They even have the audacity to question if the World was flat.

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Response to John2 (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:23 AM

8. If I correctly recall, he was born into a Jewish home.

 

I don't know if he followed a religion. What I remember from A Demon-Haunted World is an expression of interest in an answer he got from the Dalai Lama to a science question.

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Response to John2 (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:15 AM

11. eh? wot? Just which "Liberals" are you talking about?

The ones who justify our Drone slaughter of children? The ones who justify Obama's unconscionable proposals on SS & Medicare?

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/once_again_--_death_of_the_liberal_class_20121112/

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/liberals_are_useless_20091206/

Liberals are a useless lot. They talk about peace and do nothing to challenge our permanent war economy. They claim to support the working class, and vote for candidates that glibly defend the North American Free Trade Agreement. They insist they believe in welfare, the right to organize, universal health care and a host of other socially progressive causes, and will not risk stepping out of the mainstream to fight for them. The only talent they seem to possess is the ability to write abject, cloying letters to Barack Obama—as if he reads them—asking the president to come back to his “true” self. This sterile moral posturing, which is not only useless but humiliating, has made America’s liberal class an object of public derision.


Except, alas, there is no - or next to no - "public derision." The populace is too deep in the crazy already.

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Response to John2 (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:35 AM

24. Sagan said . . .

The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:57 AM

9. True that.

The list of people that put me on ignore increases whenever I explain an oppositional argument.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:55 AM

17. You know, I'm all for pot legalization,

but what does it say that so many support it? I think it's more than some sort of parity with the booze lobby. I think it's a wish to anesthetize, feel "good."

That's me, anyway.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:11 AM

10. Sagan= a light in the dark. He was & still is a giver to all humankind!! <3

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:16 AM

12. I had the very good fortune

to have several relaxed, informal dinners with Carl Sagan back in the 1970's when he was at Cornell. I just listened.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:37 AM

13. I read;

Carl Sagan's take on, at the time, Global Warming, warning in the early 90s.

The warning had been out for some time but my 'radar' had not picked up on it at the time.

Since then I have had college classes in Ecology and from there attended an IPCC lecture in 2008.

The IPCC lecture in particular was both eye opening and very, very scary.



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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:38 AM

14. Professor Sagan

was far ahead of his time in more ways that just about anyone else.......he correctly predicted the current political and economic of current times........what a pity we had to loose him at such a young age......the man was and remains......amazing

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:45 AM

15. Prescient in every way...

Except now I would change "Clutching crystals and nervously consulting out horoscopes" to "Clutching crosses and nervously consulting our bibles".

Maybe New Age mythology was rising when he wrote that, but America seems to have traded it right back to the same Old School mythology that has enslaved our minds for eons.

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Response to pink-o (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:09 PM

19. Either way it's all superstition and myth and wilfull ignorance

I have a different take on religion than do the scientists. While I agree it is not a substitute nor explanation for whence we came, why and where we are going on a tangible level, I do believe it serves its purpose on a spiritual level, and "can" be quite beneficial in setting behavioral norms - how we treat one another, animals, the planet (I was raised by humanists...you can tell.)

Obviously it can also be quite damaging. I heard a good quote: religion is good for good people, bad for bad people (very subjective, obviously..)

The golden rule, essentially - in fact, that may be it, all, the ultimate and only true religion: treat others as you would have them treat you. Have compassion, walk a mile in their shoes. Do no harm and pay it forward.

I want to explore Buddhism, because I think it speaks to this and is non-deist?

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:53 AM

16. Well, here we are!

Welcome to Carl's world (sadly, without Carl).

Read or watch his fictional novel, "Contact."

Chilling!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:55 AM

18. When will we ever learn, when will we ever learn?

 

I have just finished watching the Sagan TV series COSMOS, originally aired more than 30 years ago. He saw so much unfolding then. The tragedy is that we have still not done anything to improve the global conditions and dangers he identified. Our global warming deniers seem more like the Inquisitors who believed that their doctrine was more true than the evidence. At least they had "faith in the corporate church" as an excuse rather than profits(a/k/a known as free market freedoms) for for-profit corporations as a motivation. But the world turned out to be heliocentric, no matter how powerful the Inquisitors. As Galileo said, "Eppure si move" and he was vindicated. We cannot afford to let the modern day deniers prevail- the stakes are survival, not just misplaced political doctrinal purity.

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Response to jpn.best (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:10 PM

20. Fabulous post.

Big welcome to DU!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:23 PM

21. Boy, he got that right!

Wow

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 01:00 PM

22. It's all happened as he feared it would through the stratification of society. He also said:

This world as we know it is only just one brief moment that appears to us to be an endless horizon of time... this time grants comfort... and this comfort breeds complacency... and from complacency stems ultimate stupidity and eventual destruction.

~ Carl Sagan

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 01:27 PM

23. K & R !!!


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