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Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:39 AM

 

We must show magnanimity to Komen, and all others that relent to our pressures.

To continue to punish those that see the error of their ways, will harden the hearts of those we oppose. They will fight to the death. This includes the CEO.

We must make giving in to our logic, and compassion, like a cool breeze, or sunlit day. Game theory really.

And even welcome those DINO's that relent.

You must always offer a better way to give in than hari kari. Or you will require hand to hand combat for every victory.

That does not mean we should stop pressure for instance, to replenish stem cell funds.

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Reply We must show magnanimity to Komen, and all others that relent to our pressures. (Original post)
WingDinger Feb 2012 OP
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yardwork Feb 2012 #9
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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:42 AM

1. Good point.

Rewarding good behavior is the way to make these organizations watch their step next time.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:42 AM

2. No, they didn't relent

If you read the press release, it's a PR stunt.

They offered PP the "opportunity" to reapply for a grant. When things settle down, they'll deny that grant.

I won't be "magnanimous" to them. I will continue to boycott all "pinkwashing" efforts by SGKF, and I will send our donations to Planned Parenthood.

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Response to Missy Vixen (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:45 AM

3. So, keep up the pressure, giving a positive alternative to bad outcomes.

 

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Response to Missy Vixen (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:46 AM

5. I don't think it's a PR stunt.

I think it was a PR nightmare for them, and that's why they are reversing course.

You're right, they could still find some other way to shaft charities. But I think the uproar over this has rattled them.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:47 AM

9. They have already ripped $12 million in cancer research this year alone.

The Susan G. Komen foundation has stated that they will no longer fund any cancer research involving stem cells. They have no reversed that decision. They're no longer in the business of cancer research.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:16 PM

83. All cancer recearch involves stem cells, and they only spend $12 million a year on it?

I had actually heard that they were only pulling $$ from embryonic stem cell research, not all stem cell research, but if that's all they spend a year on it, their donors are really getting ripped off.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #83)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:25 PM

85. Komen's new restriction on stem cell research is more extreme even than W's position.

Your point is well taken. We are learning how little Komen actually spends on cancer research. Clearly, finding a cure is not their priority.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #85)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:33 PM

86. I had thought the $12 million was the total they were spending on

embryonic stem cell research, not all research.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #86)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 08:14 PM

91. Yes, they're pulling $12MM in embryonic stem cell research.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #91)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 09:53 PM

93. So unless that represents their entire cancer research investment

they're still in the "cancer research business" just not funding one specific type of research, and if that 12 million is allocated to another cancer research project, they'd still be spending exactly as much on cancer research as they were before.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #93)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 08:04 AM

97. If we assume good faith on their part. They've given us every reason not to trust them.

Embryonic stem cell research is very important to breast cancer research. If the Komen organization really had "curing breast cancer" as their top priority - as their mission states - then they would not rip away grant funds from universities who are in the middle of research. Taking away grant funds in the middle of a research project is devastating. It can mean the loss of years of work. And simply reallocating the money someplace else usually doesn't make up for that loss.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #97)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 11:01 AM

99. If embryonic stem cell research is very important to breast cancer research

then they were barely funding it before. $12 million dollars barely represents an investment at all. In 2010, the National Cancer Institute alone spent $631 specifically on breast cancer research.

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Response to Missy Vixen (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:50 AM

13. Absolutely...... n/t

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:45 AM

4. Komen has not relented to any pressures. They've put out a lying press release - another PR stunt.

Don't be fooled by today's lies from the Susan G. Komen organization. They've not restored $12 million in actual cancer research that they denied to universities. They've not promised to fund Planned Parenthood in the future, only promised to honor this year's already-promised funds.

They're hoping that everybody will forgive and forget and then they can go back to their unethical behavior. No dice.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:47 AM

8. TRUE that!

Leopards don't change their spots.
BHN

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:46 AM

6. AFTER the CEO Brinker and the VP Handel step down.

Until then, I say take your donations elsewhere.


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Response to rocktivity (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:49 AM

11. ...and they restore the funds they withdrew for stem-cell research..and NOT before..

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:51 AM

14. Chuck Yeager had a mechanic that mistakenly added the wrong fuel into his P51 mustang.

 

Causing him to crash. The poor mechanic offered up his resignation and soulful apology.

Chuck Yeager, refused his resignation, and said that he was quite certain this mech would be more mindful than any others, for the duration. Calling him as asset.

Turn your rivals and buffoons into allies, and who can stand against you?

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:52 AM

16. The Komen foundation is not my mechanic.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:00 PM

20. The Komen Foundation is now "fueled" by partisan politics

To survive, it must be bled out, and its engine replaced.


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Response to rocktivity (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:04 PM

23. Isn't the political landscape we traverse already scorched earth? How has that worked for us?

 

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:15 PM

31. There's nothing "scorched earth" about supporting better organizations.

Are you suggesting that I have some kind of moral obligation to send money to the Susan G. Komen foundation, which has revealed itself to be at the very least a very poorly run organization that doesn't actually fund much cancer research but pays its leaders a huge amount of money to market trinkets made in China while pretending to help women when in fact they never actually answer the pone or provide any financial assistance to women in need? I'm supposed to give money to that organization because they've now put out a press release saying that Planned Parenthood is "welcome" to send in grant proposals in future years but there's no guarantee that they'll ever be funded by SGK again?

There are much better uses of my money and I will "magnanimously" continue to fund them. Your concern for SGK is misplaced.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:23 PM

34. Only send money to whom you trust. This is not about contributions.

 

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:24 PM

35. This is totally, 100% about contributions. Money that SGK is losing.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:50 PM

78. We have a lot more force, than our contributions to Komen. We are becoming

 

a glaring beam that evil will flee. Hide, obfuscate, equivocate or dissemble. we must use it wisely.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:32 PM

39. In other words, they'll just spin their further right-wing moves better next time.

No thanks.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:04 PM

47. For that analogy to have ANY comparison to the situation with Komen...

1. Their actions would have had to have been an honest mistake.

2. They would have to be genuinely remorseful and contrite for those actions - and NOT because they hurt their own bottom line but for the harm they did to women's health.

3. The people who were responsible for the bad decisions would show their remorse by stepping down.

None of those things are true, so the situation doesn't resemble even remotely the nice story you told.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #47)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 06:40 PM

81. right

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:47 AM

7. My "magnanimity" will go directly to Planned Parenthood...

and to other organizations fighting cancer. Not one penny will go to this 'charity' for their "raising awareness" advertizing and other non-research expenses.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:49 AM

10. I think we'd be damned fools to assume this is over... given the extreme RW tilt of Komen & new VP

Just because they continue the funding through this year, does not mean they won't (much more quietly) eliminate funding in future cycles.

Again, I think we'd be damned fools to assume, given the hiring of a blatant RWer who has pledged to destroy PP as their VP and the long standing RW tilt of founder Nancy Brinkman.


Really. what assurances do we have of ANYTHING? This is not the first offense from Komen. Try researching how little of their funding actually goes to research for a cure and how the rest of their money is spent.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:56 AM

18. Just make sure your pressure is positive. they will buckle.

 

They are already weakened. Keep up the pressure for sure. But allowing every good decision to add to their stature.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:06 PM

24. BS... They have shown their true stripes. Maganimous? Hell. It will be a damned cold day in Hades

before I ever trust that organization again. This is a PR stunt that you are falling for. Mark my words. My magnanimosity is reserved for those who actually stand for something. Komen has spent the past decade self aggrandizing themselves and funding very little true research. Brinkman brags about a billion $$ being given by Komen. Well, who the hell do you think funds Komen. It is WE who have funded those efforts worldwide. Komen is just a pass through and a pretty damned poor one at that.

My $$ will go directly to PP and the many foundations that have much lower overhead, but who have been drowned out by the big damned commercial Komen machine.

I suppose there may be some steps Komen can take to reassure me, but nothing they have done thus far suffices. I'm done with them. How's that for magnanimous?? Sorry. But I won't be the fool twice.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:29 PM

69. you mean, when they stop suing other groups that use "for the cure" or somehow do something

in pink (and using donor funds to DO that suing??)

have you NOT been paying attention to all the negative crap that has been revealed about komen? no thanks. as long as it keeps acting the way it has been, and as long as brinker is still the head, along with handel, it doesn't matter what they say or do. they are completely in thrall to the reichwing--or maybe you didn't see the thread about handel's ties to romney, and the presence on the board of scalia's wife? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002259958

no, this organization is completely corrupt at the top, so no 'magnanimity" is going to be wasted on them by me.

you might want to read "welcome to cancerland" by barbara ehrenreich:
http://www.barbaraehrenreich.com/cancerland.htm

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:49 AM

11. Harden their hearts? You're joking right?

They don't HAVE hearts.
BHN

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:51 AM

15. Withdrawal doesnt me they accept our values. It means we won the battle not the war.

They will be back. It isnt punishment to choose to give charity money directly to the deserving organizations, like Planned Parenthood. Isnt Komen just a middle man?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:58 AM

19. I'm not even talking about giving them monies. Just less hostility, for every proper action.

 

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:10 PM

28. No hostility...

Maintaining that SGK is prioritizing political agendas over that of valid, peer-reviewed medical procedures and research is not hostility-- it is merely stating the obvious.

Lysenkoism has been reborn, and maintaining that the instigators may be "reformed" as allies is as absurd in the current incarnation as it was in the original.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:49 PM

77. Sorry I misunderstood the show them magnanimity part.

As far as I am concerned, they can go to hell.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #77)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:14 PM

101. We are starting to wield power. Make winners and losers. Push agendas.

 

If the general public sees us acting petulantly, and vindictive, they will regard it as over reach.

People dont like code pink type left generally. Should we seem all militant, and poised, to rid the landscape of all conservative nooks and crannies, we will start the pendulum swinging. We must be both left and right. That way, the GOP can finish it's death rattle.

That the GOP is regarded the counterbalance, gives them far too much clout for their lameass positions and candidates. And makes people prop them up, so as not to have the left acting all hubristic. Much of the country thinks we will get too full of ourselves. If we show humility, dispassion and the ability to address all concerns, the GOP is DEAD.

That is what I want. The GOP dead.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #101)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:51 PM

104. Do you really think that when the GOP dies that all those 'cons, have simply vanished?

Or are they now hiding under the big Democratic tent. Now they are influencing decisions by Democrats. Look at all of the Pres appointees. They are conservatives, with ties to Wall Street or GW Bush.

This isnt about Dems vs. 'cons. This is about ThePeople vs. the oligarchs, and there are plenty of oligarchs represented by Democrats. Just look at the two in Calif that scuttled single-payer health care. They call themselves Democrats.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #104)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 03:14 PM

105. No, but we will rule far longer, if thought egalitarian.

 

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #105)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 05:16 PM

106. My point is that we might not "rule" even w/o a GOP. We are fighting against

corporatists, and the Democratic party has lots of Congress-critters that bow to their corporate sponsors.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:52 AM

17. they were concerned with total meltdown, not doing what is right. there are still other issues

we have discovered/recognized since this event. those are not addressed. my money stopped going to them last year. this was just an event to open peoples eyes.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:09 PM

26. So, make the choice for other institutions as stark as possible.

 

Either do what is right, and survive and with enough doing right, to thrive, or go down to ignomy.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:12 PM

29. i want this charity to totally fail. go away. i will find other ways to give my money..... nt

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:02 PM

21. Actually, after reading more about this so-called charity, I don't know why anyone supports them.

most of the money isn't going to finding "the cure" they promote so much. Mostly to publicity or "public education" as they call it. The CEO and VP's all make 400-500,000 a year, and they bully other charities claiming the phrase "for the cure" is some kind of trademark of theirs. Ugh.

I'm glad that I have never donated to them, and I'm certainly not going to change my mind now. They have lots of RW connections and still haven't reversed on stem-cell funding either. they aren't about a cure or helping womem, they are about enriching themselves and pushing an agenda.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:03 PM

22. Their behaviour isn't good - just self serving

Have they reversed decision??? "We will continue to fund existing grants, including those of Planned Parenthood, and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants, while maintaining the ability of our affiliates to make funding decisions that meet the needs of their communities."

Fund existing grants...PP had been funded for some grants komen was going to honor this year.. what about on future

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Response to Serial Mom (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:09 PM

27. That's exactly what they were saying yesterday.

These people are the worst kind of right wing snakes.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:21 PM

33. The one thing we can count on is:

 

they and eone else, will act in their own best interest. There is no trusting necessary. So, make agreeing with us, and logic etc, in their best interest, and we are guaranteed to win.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:08 PM

25. Nah... It's far more satisfying to hold a grudge. n/t

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Response to leeroysphitz (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:13 PM

30. Politics should not be about personal satisfaction.

 

It should be about getting done what is good for the most people. To act for personal gratification, is selfish.

Leave petulance to the Rethugs. We are smarter than that. And will win. Big.

How do non partisans view our actions? It's not all about us.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:15 PM

32. kill it with fire n/t

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:25 PM

36. It is true we need to make an effort toward that

nobody likes a sore winner.

Having said that, Komen is corrupt to the point that a movie is coming out about their practices, their pink campaign and even that they knowingly use products in that campaign that are carcinogens.

I do appreciate that they've reconsidered their position and restored funding to a vital part of womens health but knowing what I now know about them I do not support them.

They have exposed themselves and in the process have brought out much support for Planned Parenthood. In the end, I don't know if it's worth being magnanimous to an organization as corrupt as Komen appears to be.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:27 PM

37. NO- the onus is on Komen to PROVE their word is good.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:29 PM

38. certainly that is true. And part of the game.

 

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:02 PM

46. It's not a game-- it's health care.

It's not a game-- it's health care.

When we realize that science and politics are not, in fact, the same thing, we do justice to both. When we fail to realize that, we minimize and trivialize both.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:25 PM

49. If it were simply about science, we would design a comp program, Democracy 1.0

 

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:33 PM

40. Get back to me when they fire that PR woman

Until then, it's just a bandaid. Komen screwed the pooch and there are plenty of other worthy organziations out there.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:35 PM

41. Act magnaminous BUT keep the pressure on...

Once they think they're in the clear, they'll try this shit again.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:45 PM

42. They do have a way out: throw out the politcal thugs and reverse those policies

The current leadership has openly shown that they have no inhibitions to using their funding as a weapon. Their decisions have been made to advance agendas that do not involve their stated mission to support research to find a cure or better treatments for breast cancer.

It was made clear in the congressional budget battles that radical conservatives consider PP a symbol, and they want to take it out completely. They want its head on a plate. Komen's leadership allied themselves with these people and moved to further that agenda no matter how it affected the same women Komen is supposed to be helping.

Yes, give them a way out: capitulation. Because this is not just about them, that is something they have made front and center here. Now it's become about showing everyone that open political thuggery by charities has consequences.

They heedlessly sailed over a line and halfway to the horizon. Letting them backpedal ten feet with no other constraints and calling it even is not an option. That has been tried, repeatedly, for far too long, and all it does is encourage them to grab for more.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:45 PM

43. See if you still feel that way after watching this:

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Response to redqueen (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:52 PM

44. Do you require all your rivals leave, at work, to win any argument?

 

In the real world, you cannot just place the enemies heads on pikes.

We will always not like some people and orgs.

This is about WINNING. And then winning again.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:02 PM

45. Fuck no. Do you really think these subhuman psychopaths learned their lesson?

No. Mercy.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:21 PM

48. Again, every human can be relied upon to act in their own best interest. Tht is all we need to trust

 

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:55 PM

50. No, as far as Komen is concerned, we must continue to pound them into the mud

My give-a-damn is all busted when it comes to those who "regret that they offended anyone", who regret being busted in lies, who regret getting caught - and who then put out more lies and spin and disinformation, particularly when it comes to health care and matters of life and death.

Money they're not willing to use for health screenings, stem cell research, or whatever makes a difference (as opposed to selling more pink spatulas or 9mm pistols or whatever) but that I'm willing to donate needs to go elsewhere, and will do so from this day on.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 02:21 PM

51. with all due respect, you are wrong

You said:
You must always offer a better way to give in than hari kari. Or you will require hand to hand combat for every victory.

Sorry, but we WILL require hand to hand, that is because that is how the enemy fights! That is, if they are not simply weaiting 5000 yards away with a sniper rifle, waiting to mow you down the minute you offer an olive branch!

Yes, this IS CIVIL WAR, and we better be preapred to win.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 02:56 PM

53. Um, we did win.

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Response to randome (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:29 PM

58. no, we did not

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Response to randome (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:36 PM

61. we won the battle

NOT the war, and the one thing the GOP does better than us is remember the long term. As Cenk pointed out, this strategy worked with Acorn, and they got away with it because people did not stomp the GOp[ when they got caught.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:42 PM

63. I agree completely.

This is not the war and we have to keep up the pressure. In fact, the OP said that.

But it serves no one's interests to NOT think beyond destroying the foundation. In this kind of 'war', we don't win by destroying the enemy, we win by converting them. Because the right-wing idiots who started this will still be around. We need to keep up the pressure until they understand they are on the wrong side.

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Response to randome (Reply #63)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:18 PM

84. sorry, but

If logic could convert them, they opwuld have done so back when shrub was in charge. Some people just will nto stop, so you have to fight to avoid being dragged to hell with them.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 02:55 PM

52. Planned Parenthood released a statement praising Komen for their reversal.

That's because PP plans for the long term.

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Response to randome (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:50 PM

64. Did Johns-Hopkins release a statement praising Komen for re-installing funding

of stems cell research? or the University of Kansas Medical Center, or the U.S. National Cancer Institute, or the Society for Women’s Health Research, and Yale University?

... didn't think so. we haven't "won" yet.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:53 PM

65. Like pretty much everyone is saying on this thread...

...don't let up on the pressure. All I'm saying -and I think the OP meant- is we should not lose sight of the long term. Destroying our enemies is cathartic, but embarrassing them and making them see that they are on the wrong side is even better.

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Response to randome (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:40 PM

74. how is that working out with the banksters and the mic? or any of the reichwing fundies, or

reichwing media?

THEY don't give a damn what we say or do, because they believe they have all, the power, all the money, etc., on their side.

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Response to niyad (Reply #74)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:45 PM

76. Can't afford to pass up sources of money when people's lives are on the line.

All I'm saying is we should force them to change their ways and not be too focused on destroying them completely unless we're certain that's not going to impact anyone.

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Response to randome (Reply #76)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:36 PM

94. only when that source is actually doing something good and positive.

you might check out the many threads over the last few days talking about this very corrupt organization and then come back and tell us what we should be doing with our money.

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Response to niyad (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 11:46 PM

95. No one is saying what you should be doing with your money.

I agree, donate to something that has a more direct impact on health issues. Everyone should.

But Komen still funnels millions of dollars in other donations to good causes. It's probably not all going to go away just because some right wing idiots made a mess of things.

And I doubt Komen will disappear entirely. I could be wrong but I think it may be too big?

Just trying to look at things in a practical, objective light.

'Burn the castle!' isn't always the best answer. Maybe it is in this case but it usually isn't.

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Response to randome (Reply #65)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 07:32 AM

96. Destroying that cash cow is not only cathartic- it's imperative. SGK should be audited

to expose where all that "feel good" money is going to. It may turn out that yes- a good portion of their profit goes to advance research toward a cure for cancer- but if that woman is making a half a million dollars a year on the name of her dear dead sister... something is amiss.

Someone's making a whole lotta money from them pink grocery bags.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #96)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:00 AM

98. No doubt something is seriously wrong at Komen.

Shining the light on those abuses is the best way to turn it into a much, MUCH better organization.

That's not always possible, I know, but it's a big organization that could use extensive house-cleaning.

That half a million dollar salary is mentioned often, now. We should keep mentioning it, maybe tie future support into the Komen Executives assigning more realistic salaries across the board.

They really didn't want this PR disaster. Let's make the most of it.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:06 PM

54. Spectacularly Naive Outlook.


In case you haven't noticed, we have been at the point for some time where our victories require hand-to-hand combat with our hard-hearted opponents. The right wing depends on the sort of smiley-faced attitude you've got on display, here---they exploit it and gain from it, and there is no excuse for our making their job so easy.

You want me to make nice with Komen? Come back and talk to me after they've booted out their hyper-conservative leadership, and after they're restored the stem cell research funding they recently did away with. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go write a check to Planned Parenthood......

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Response to Paladin (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:09 PM

56. +1

 

yeah i did a double take when i saw this thread. let's just be best pals with those who just tried to screw poor women over right wing ideology. HA! not fuckin likely!

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Response to Paladin (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:35 PM

60. Anyone slightly familiar with my posting style, would deem me a hard charging tactician.

 

I will nail you, then, give you a hand up, all the while, reserving my other hand for the kill.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #60)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 05:17 PM

79. Yeah, Right...... (n/t)

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:07 PM

55. Um... no thanks.

 

you think the right wingers are just going to give up - get real.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:18 PM

57. let them off with a slap on the wrist

and they'll just go back to the drawing board, do a post mortem on their PR fail, revise their tactics and strategy, and come back to attempt more damage.

They will NOT give up their goal of controlling other women's bodies and lives.

For them to harden their hearts, they'd need to have hearts to begin with.

If they do have hearts, they are already encased in concrete. That concrete needs to be broken.

I say, make an example of them for the rest of the RW fanatics. Pull this shit and you will die a slow, painful and very public death. You will lose all your ill-gotten gains. You will become what you fear the most -- an ordinary person with a heart, who cannot control events or people outside yourself.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:40 PM

62. The OP said not to stop the pressure.

Planned Parenthood is thinking of the long term. We should, too. Next step is to get Handel out.

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Response to randome (Reply #62)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 08:00 PM

89. that doesn't go far enough

The founder and CEO is a Bushie-pal and was behind this before they hired Handel. Check out LBN -- the CEO was meeting with Ari Fleischer to figure out how to dump PP. Fleischer interviewed candidates with the goal of picking someone to deal with PP.

This will not stop until Korman either fires its entire executive staff and starts over....or folds.

We need to keep up the pressure all right. People need to donate their cancer money to worthy organizations, not Koman. Bleed it to death. It is corrupt to the core.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:34 PM

59. hahahahaha

No.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:22 PM

66. really? the top levels of that corporation are about as corrupt as can be, certainly as self-

serving. that it has been taken over by the reichwing is clear, whatever is going on with the local affiliates.

there is too much wrong with that organization to just welcome it back with open arms, especially since the ONLY reason brinker caved was the firestorm of publicity (don't forget, in that video of hers, she whined that this cut was supposed to have been secret)

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:26 PM

67. Destruction seems to be the best example. Do right or dry up and blow away.

The organization seems like one we have preferrable options to anyway.

ACORN them.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #67)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:29 PM

70. see post #26

 

Exactly.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:27 PM

68. I'm sure the relenting had nothing to do with the fact

that donations dropped off the map for SGK and went through the roof for PP.

I'm certain that the cave in had nothing to do with these people being worried about their cushy 6 figure salary jobs.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:32 PM

71. by the way, which other organizations have relented to our pressure? I cannot think of any.

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Response to niyad (Reply #71)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:39 PM

73. We have just begun to feel our oats. We dont waste political capital on petulance.

 

WE do as we must, spending as little PC as possible. Move to task 2. On and on. Till your momentum is a juggernaut.

I used to be more pugilistic. Then, this guy used a different technique. He was smart, his game was long. He appeared to always lose, when in reality, he usually won, but didnt TEBOWE. He ran a silent game, going from win to win, never rubbing it in anyones face.

His name is Barack Obama.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #73)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:44 PM

75. what the hell is a "tebowe"?

organizations like brinker's are not going to "get it", or do the right thing, EVER.

that press release was so much bull. . . they are only mad because they got caught--brinker whined that she didn't expect any of this to be made public.

so, you go on about how nice we should be. . .

the rest of us will do what we must.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:37 PM

72. Sorry I can't

Given the opportunity they would do the same thing again.

They didn't relent because of the poor women they were denying...they relented because their brand was being damaged. By their actions.

I can never trust one red cent in their care again. I know I am not alone in feeling this way.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 06:34 PM

80. Never. Guess what would happen if you finally had a mad dog backed into a corner...

And you lowered the stick?

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:12 PM

82. love your analogy

and oh, so true. Democrats have been making nice with those demon dogs on the other side for way too long.

Never trust, never relent.

Those rabid right wing bitches (in keeping with the dog analogy) discovered that we are a powerful force. I will concede nothing because they showed their true colors and they have NOT changed. Their bottom line was being hurt while PPs was thriving. All they learned was to go back to the drawing board and regroup.

Screw 'em; there are so many other, better organizations to donate to.

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Response to Carolina (Reply #82)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:22 PM

103. How we deal with opponents, goes further than one isolated instance.

 

The flavor of Democrats, is viewed by all that we do. We want the general public to have trust and respect for our agendas. Seeing us dance on graves, makes people uneasy. It will artificially bouy the GOP. If we are judged as adequate for all persons concerns, there will be no need for the Teafreaks, GOPers, Oathkeepers, Militias, clowncar candidates or Republicans.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:47 PM

87. No I can't do that since I found out what they are really about (RW politics)

I don't trust them. Trust isn't a boomerang that comes back after it's lost.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:51 PM

88. and fire that anti-choice anti-gay VP AND

cut the salary of all those executives of this "NON-profit" organization!!!

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 08:01 PM

90. NEGATRON.

WE MUST CRUSH THEIR PESTILENCE OUT OF EXISTENCE.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 09:12 PM

92. uh no

not until all the right-wingers are gone from the organization. There are other cancer charities and organizations to support.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 11:12 AM

100. Well I never gave to them or bought

something pink, so I'll continue this way.

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Response to WingDinger (Original post)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:18 PM

102. Absolutely! If by "magnanimity" you mean "expose the lying, political shitbags,

and grind them into the earth." Then I'm on board 100%.

mikey_the_rat

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