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Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:59 AM

Three Minimum Wage Jobs Needed To Afford Two-Bedroom Apartment

Rent is too high and wages are too low. We need affordable housing with living wages to bring an end to poverty and homelessness!


Minimum-wage earners need about three full-time jobs to be able to afford a two-bedroom apartment in D.C., Maryland or Virginia, according to a new study by the National Low Income Housing Coalition.

The study looks at how many hours minimum-wage earners, or two minimum-wage earners in one household, must work full-time in order to afford the fair market rent in a given state, while spending no more than 30 percent of income on housing.

* In the District of Columbia, minimum-wage earners need to work 132 hours per week, 52 weeks per year, in order to afford a Fair Market Rent of $1,412.

* In Maryland, minimum wage-earners need to work 135 hours per week, 52 weeks per year, in order to afford a Fair Market rent of $1,273.

* In Virginia, minimum wage-earners need to work 114 hours per week, 52 weeks per year, in order to afford a Fair Market rent of $1,078.


FULL ARTICLE WITH MAP: http://wamu.org/news/13/03/18/three_full_time_minimum_wage_jobs_needed_to_afford_dc_area_rents

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Reply Three Minimum Wage Jobs Needed To Afford Two-Bedroom Apartment (Original post)
OneGrassRoot Mar 2013 OP
CrispyQ Mar 2013 #1
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City Lights Mar 2013 #38
Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #61
sakabatou Mar 2013 #2
Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #3
demwing Mar 2013 #4
Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #16
Occulus Mar 2013 #18
lark Mar 2013 #5
Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #17
lark Mar 2013 #40
Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #43
lark Apr 2013 #44
Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #58
lark Apr 2013 #62
Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #63
lark Apr 2013 #67
Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #68
woo me with science Apr 2013 #57
Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #59
Octafish Mar 2013 #6
OneGrassRoot Mar 2013 #7
Octafish Mar 2013 #9
octothorpe Mar 2013 #24
Aerows Mar 2013 #26
octothorpe Mar 2013 #31
DCKit Mar 2013 #8
fizzgig Mar 2013 #10
MADem Mar 2013 #11
alarimer Mar 2013 #25
MADem Mar 2013 #27
sammytko Apr 2013 #45
MADem Apr 2013 #56
awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #12
Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #13
moondust Mar 2013 #14
LibertyLover Apr 2013 #54
moondust Apr 2013 #55
Blue Owl Mar 2013 #15
Auntie Bush Mar 2013 #21
SomethingFishy Apr 2013 #46
wordpix Apr 2013 #66
uponit7771 Apr 2013 #49
wordpix Apr 2013 #65
Initech Mar 2013 #19
SomethingFishy Apr 2013 #48
Initech Apr 2013 #50
JI7 Mar 2013 #20
octothorpe Mar 2013 #22
demwing Mar 2013 #23
MADem Mar 2013 #28
demwing Mar 2013 #29
Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #30
octothorpe Mar 2013 #32
demwing Mar 2013 #33
MADem Mar 2013 #34
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OneGrassRoot Mar 2013 #37
woo me with science Mar 2013 #36
olddots Mar 2013 #39
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woo me with science Mar 2013 #42
woo me with science Apr 2013 #47
4Q2u2 Apr 2013 #51
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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:24 AM

1. What a heartless fucking country.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:38 PM

38. !

Agreed!



We are circling the drain.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:10 PM

61. That's it in a nutshell.

Greed is God.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:28 AM

2. For us Gen Y/Millenials

It's a hard life. We can't get good jobs nor wages.

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:45 AM

3. My daughter, $27,000 student loan debt, makes $10 per hour 34 hrs, running a free clinic. She is

paying $20 a month on loans, thanks to the income based repayment plans, but will never be able to pay it off at this rate.

I feel for all of you younger folks trying to make your way in this harsh, cruel country.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:49 PM

4. If she's paying on the income contingent plan, she'll pay for 20 years max

as longs as she pays on time, the balance after 20 years will be waived.

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Response to demwing (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:33 PM

16. That's comforting in a way. I doubt she will find anything paying more around here. Still, it stinks

to face a life of debt for $10 per.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:42 PM

18. There is one other answer.

Her entire generation can refuse to pay and collapse the system under its own weight.

Perhaps that's the only workable answer. It will require a divorcement from the insane idea that nonpayment of debt to anyone but an actual person is immoral or unethical, though, and I don't think our society has the courage to do that.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:02 PM

5. Feel some of your pain

My daughter graduated last year debt free due to going to a local university, living at home and working 30 hrs/wk. However, she's only making $11/hr. which isn't enough to pay rent & living expenses so is still at home. She's got a double major, but can't find work here in her area of expertise due to the depressed economy in FL. (phuck you very much, Rick Scott, job destroyer). She'll probably have to move out of state to have a career, which will hurt because she helps us take care of my 89 year old mother. I have a bad back and she helps me with some chores I simply can't do anymore. When she moves, I'll probably have to pay someone to do these things and our income has been reduced 25% from what it was 3 years ago, so don't know where the $ will come from.

t just sucks that the 1% has destroyed so many good American jobs by transferring them overseas and refuses to pay American workers a decent wage.

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Response to lark (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:38 PM

17. I'm almost broke from having to help her and the kids so much. She cannot even move as her sons

fathers' apparently have a say on where she can live in PA.

I hope all goes well and you find someone that can help with your mom for a reasonable amount.

I almost wish the guillotine would make a comeback. Those assholes are destroying us all.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 01:21 PM

40. Good luck to us all.

We certainly need it, with the game so rigged against the working class and both parties favoring the 1%, although the Repugs are certainly far worse.

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Response to lark (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 08:24 PM

43. It's getting harder to have any hope for the future. nt

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:57 PM

44. Agree

Other countries are looking better and better every day. If Obama signs anything cutting benefits for SSI or Medicare, Repugs win and it's time to go.

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Response to lark (Reply #44)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:06 PM

58. I hope when it gets much worse, I'm not too broke to leave. It's getting close though, too close.

I'll stay and fight if I have too, but I am not a good fighter at all. Thinking is more my forte.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #58)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:19 PM

62. Definitely not a physical fighter!


We're lucky, we still have decent jobs. WE used to be very comfortable, but not anymore with a 25% pay cut between my husband and I over the last 2 years. Can't move yet, taking care of my 89 year old mother, but once she's no longer with us, we're almost certainly out of here.



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Response to lark (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:21 PM

63. I sit the youngest grandson, age 3, daycare would cost more than my daughter makes. It's

insane. No one I know is thriving at all. A friend took a pay cut two or three years ago, from $16 per down to $14. He is single and barely getting by.himself.

What are your mother's thoughts on the downfall of the country? 89 years, she has definitely seen some history.

My mom is gone and really only have my daughter and the grandsons left. They are the only thing keeping me here. I could sell off everything and retire somewhere cheaper, and kinder, just can't leave them.

Hell of a situation, isn't it?

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #63)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:52 PM

67. Yep, it is definitely a hell of a situation.

My mom is really sweet & kind, but also very much a "Christian Republican". We argue politics a lot but when it gets heated, one of us will always say - politicians from both parties are on the take so let's not get mad and we laugh and go on from there. She's a very interesting person, had to quit school at 8 to help support the family by picking cotton in TX with the 2 older sibs because there were 7 children ttl & grandad got TB. Grandma took in washing, ironing and neighbor kids, as well as raising her own 7, at that time. Eventually the family grew to 12 kids. She does love & accept her gay grandson, though, so I give her credit for that.

Sorry for your loss. I can certainly understand not wanting to leave the family you have left. We are just hoping that our children will want to move too. Both are left wing progressives, so it might happen. Daughter is taking classes to teach English as 2nd Language so she'll be able to get a job where-ever she lives. Son has not committed to moving, so a little worried about that.

It is a hell of a situation when one's country treats it's people so badly, that even in the richest country in the world, workers are getting more poor by the day. Sickening.



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Response to lark (Reply #67)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:35 PM

68. I keep hoping things will start to turn for the good here, but it's really not looking too good

right now.

Our grandmothers were some of the hardest working women. It is amazing how some managed to raise 10 - 12 kids and work too.

Thank you,

It's good you and your mom can laugh together and let it be. How hard her life must have been. My one great-grandfather was 9 or 10, one grandfather was 12 or so, iirc. Afraid we may see this coming around again. Parents losing desperately needed help if their kids aren't doing well in school?!! In 2013?!! Really?!!!!!

Stay safe, lark.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:30 PM

57. +1

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #57)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:07 PM

59. ...

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:05 PM

6. My next-door neighbor has three college grad kids...

...until the young man got married, they all lived at home. The young women are still there.

Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on. Their jobs just don't pay enough to live on.

Same for a lot of my friends who busted their chops to put their kids through college.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:07 PM

7. This isn't only a problem for the youth...

it's a problem in EVERY age group.

And it's equally deplorable across the board.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:53 PM

9. Things are very messed up.

The only ones I know with good jobs are Republicans.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:05 PM

24. Some guy tried offering me a job making only $8.50/hr

A job that usually pays between $18-$25/hr depending on various factors. I laughed at him, but only because I already have a job that pays well over that. It's messed up because the guy even said he needed someone who had a broad knowledge base and was able to do everything and anything thrown at him/her. Basically he wanted an experienced (and certified) network and telecom guy who could troubleshoot copper and fiber lines, configure/fix phone systems, configure routers/switches, administer servers and whatever else. Which is cool, but ya gotta pay for that. /rant

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Response to octothorpe (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:20 PM

26. It's laughable

what some people think they can pay a network/telecom professional. They all want an 18 year old that doesn't mind being paid minimum wage and knows how to do everything under the sun. I get offered jobs all of the time and tend to laugh in the faces of those who have no idea what I make and why I make the salary that I do. It's because I know what the hell I'm doing, I'm reliable, and no - none of that is cheap.

They all want to hire you, but they can't (or don't want to) afford you. I take it as a compliment

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Response to Aerows (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:22 PM

31. That's pretty much what he is looking for..

He even said he tried hiring some people with little or no technical expertise with the intent of training them up, but that they just couldn't take it all in. Clearly he needs to figure out what he's looking for, or simply realize he isn't big enough to have staff yet. He can't really have it both ways.

I'm kinda being screwed by my current company too. They hired me on as a field engineer, but as an occasional part-time (they made it sound like there was more work)... I accepted it because it's better to have some money coming in than none. The problem is that they are paying me hourly, but seem to expect me to be on call 24/7 and ready at a moments notice. I already told them I couldn't work one night. If they want to pay me to be on call or even pay me salary, then I'm all for it. In fact, I did this exact same job that paid me salary, and I was ready whenever they wanted me to go. It was a fair trade off, I might have been getting paid to sit around and do nothing, but I was ready to hop in a car or plane within a few hours notice. Anyway, I don't foresee myself being at this company for long either. I don't feel guilty about it either.


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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:45 PM

8. Are there no poorhouses?

 

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:13 PM

10. average rent in my part of northern colorado is about $1050

and many places don't include utilities. that's 40 percent of our income when we're both getting close to 40 hours a week, we pay 30 percent as it is. but this winter was rough because my husband was only getting about 20 hours a week.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:20 PM

11. There's more competition for rental units, too, in some parts of the country....

...while homes for sale sit on the market for awhile.

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Response to MADem (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:13 PM

25. In this town, the Coast Guard Base drives up rental prices

The military housing allowances (I think it is close to $1000 a month) means that landlords can charge a lot even for the most basic of apartments. Plus the lack of DECENT apartments means I pay more than I really should.

But, get this, there are HUNDREDS of houses on the Coast Guard base that are standing empty. I don't know why; they look okay. Maybe they have asbestos or something, but they could be rehabbed for the Coast Guard and let us civilians have cheaper housing in town.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:29 PM

27. They either might not meet basic housing standards....

(e.g. space requirements based on pay grade and minimum square footage) or they may have maintenance issues (inefficient heating system, lead paint, faulty wiring, etc., etc.).

If some houses are being used, and others sit empty, it's likely that this kind of thing is at issue--can't force people to take substandard housing if there are alternatives available.

The pot of money (MILCON--military construction) that pays for rehab/refurbishment of buildings is a completely different pot of money that pays for military personnel allowances. It could well be that a bean counter in the Funny Farm (the Five Sided One) did the math and determined it was cheaper to pay allowances than upgrade the housing.

The housing allowance varies by paygrade. The more senior you are, the more "house" you can get. It also varies by location (you get more money in a high rent area than a low rent one) and you also get more money if you are not single; i.e., you have "dependents" in tow (I personally think that distinction is terribly unfair--single people with no spouse/no kids cost the military the least, and they are screwed out of additional cash for the "crime" of being single--can't claim a dog or a cat as a dependent, and often the rent is higher if you have a pet, but there's no consideration for that).

Landlords are gonna get what they can--this is true in any military base environment. When the bases close, or downsize, as they often do, then they have some adjustments to make.

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:13 PM

45. My last base was full of empty houses, so they let single people move in, it was great

No utility bills, close to work, close to BX, commissary, golf course, gym. All within walking distance.

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Response to sammytko (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 06:09 PM

56. Sounds like a "square footage" issue.

Too small in terms of the newer standards for a family, but just fine for a single.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:44 PM

12. "The rent is too damn high"...

Sorry, that blast from the past just popped I my head. Something is seriously screwed up in this country when one needs three jobs to keep a roof over their heads, yet CEOs can make $100 million a year or more.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:21 PM

13. when I was a kid - even a poor family on minimum wage could afford to rent a big dumpy old house

Once housing went from a commodity to a get-rich-quick speculation scheme which started to happen in a real big way in the 70's, continued unabated into the 80's - then skyrocketed in the 90's - there was just no turning back. I recall someone buying a house in 1970 in Santa Cruz County, California for $12,500. By 1980 it was worth more than $80,000, by 1990, more than $180,000 and by 2005 more than $750,000 - this is unreal and it is not sustainable. Imagine now when we are living in a world where a typical four year college graduate starts off in the workforce between $50,000 to $100,000 in debt before they even start earning an income - How on earth are they going to ever enter the property owning class?

Way back in 2008 - long before there was any suggestion of her running for office - Elizabeth Warren gave this excellent lecture on the collapse of the middle class.


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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:37 PM

14. $900 for a ROOM.

I was looking at a Northern California newspaper just yesterday and saw that.

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Response to moondust (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:37 PM

54. OMFG - that's an outrage

After I lost my house to foreclosure, partially because my husband declined to get a job as he had promised, we had to look for rentals. We live just outside DC and close to several military bases and the Naval Academy. The rents for sub-standard housing are incredible. The first place we rented was 80 years old and a former summer house so it was tiny. It was 2 tiny bedrooms and 1 bath. It went for $1450, 4 years ago The heating sucked. It had no real basement. The house was splitting in two due to subsidence and part of it at the back had crumbled, although my husband fixed it. The landlord could have cared less. We found out from the neighbors that his tenants generally stayed a year and then got out as fast as they could. The only saving grace was that he didn't care about our 4 dogs and didn't charge us a pet fee. The bathroom was in such bad shape that he actually had to pay a plumber to come out and put in a new shower pipe. The job the guy did was terrible - turned out he was the landlord's lawn person who claimed to be a plumber also.

We were going to stay another year, but couldn't get the landlord to ever sign a renewal lease, so we found another place which seemed better. It was slightly bigger and a bit cheaper. Sure, my commute increased by 20 minutes each way, but it seemed ok. That was until the first rain storm when the back porch and roof over the laundry area leaked. Then the entire ceiling over the washer/dryer fell down due to water. The front porch leaks, the living room and the dining room have leaked and we have had leaks in the master bedroom. The landlord has no money to fix the place. He is a Greek immigrant who claims to be a building contractor. The couple of times he's stopped by to "fix" the roof have proved he is grossly overstating his abilities. He'll put some goop on the roof, claim it's fixed and drive off. By the next rain storm the goop has dried and the roof leaks. Just recently we noticed the water tasting funny. It's a well. We are terrified that it's going bad. The landlord doesn't have the money to have a new well drilled. We put more salt in the conditioning unit and the water seems to be better, but we have decided that we will only stay one more year. My bankruptcy payments are finished in December and so after that we'll have more money for renting something slightly larger and hopefully better. Again, the one saving grace was that the landlord didn't care about our 3 dogs. I just hope that I'm able to buy something as soon as possible so that we don't have to worry about the dogs. But rents here are out of sight and for places that are almost uninhabitable.

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Response to LibertyLover (Reply #54)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:12 PM

55. Yikes.

I used to wonder how average workers around Silicon Valley managed to live there with the high cost of living. Turns out a lot of them live quite a distance away and commute.

I've also known people who buy or rent mobile homes simply because pets and smoking are allowed, though that's probably not an option anywhere near DC.

Good luck!

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:59 PM

15. If there has to be a minimum wage, shouldn't there also be a maximum wage?

n/t

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:08 PM

21. What you said! +100,000,000 nt

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:17 PM

46. Costco (and I hate to keep blowing their horn but...)

Has a salary cap for it's upper level people, which is why they can pay starting workers 12 bucks an hour.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:56 AM

66. how unusual BUT even $12/hr. is impossible to live on in many cities

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:26 PM

49. This

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:55 AM

65. YES!

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:57 PM

19. We live in a country run by sociopathic CEOs.

And it's been since Reagan's reign of terror. They profit, we suffer. And then these fucking psychos have the balls to tell us that we don't deserve what little pay we make.

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Response to Initech (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:22 PM

48. +1 They started grabbing everything in the 80's

And now that they have managed to imbalance the wages, the investments, the retirement money and the pensions, they realized there wasn't much left. So they are coming after our Social Security, and our Medicare, after our students, and they are looking to profit from things that were always considered investments in out future, hospitals, schools, prisons...

Yet we are the "takers".

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:35 PM

50. That's what floors me.

It's that stupid bullshit Any Rand philosophy about how the workers are the parasites and that we're not worth anything. I believe in freedom of speech and all that but I honestly wouldn't mind if every copy of Atlas Shrugged were destroyed in a giant bonfire, it's existence was wiped from our memories, and it was outlawed from society.

What was that quote from that 1860s rail tycoon who said something like "I have enough money that I could pay one half of this country to fight the other half?"

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:00 PM

20. what is the minimum wage in those areas ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:54 PM

22. $8.25 in DC, $7.25 in Maryland and Virginia.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:04 PM

23. Rent in St Pete Florida is decent

I rent a 2 bed/1 ba Inlaw w/full private garage, for $750 a month. Safe neighborhood, & near everything.

I have to commute 2 hours by bus to get to work, but it aint bad. And oh yeah, Florida's unemployment just went below the national average.

Thanks Obama! (it must of been Obama because our dear Governor Voldemort has done nada to help this state).

Anyway my point is that the prices don't hurt everywhere. There is hope.

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Response to demwing (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:34 PM

28. TWO hour commute? Is that each way, or total?

I had a one hour commute in one job if I slept late (it was 28 minutes at the asscrack of dawn) and an hour and twenty minutes going home in the rush hour--again, 28 minutes if I worked late. Those basstids got 12 hour days out of me just for that reason--I learned after a month or two to lock my door and take a nap mid-day; otherwise I wouldn't have been able to stand it.

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Response to MADem (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:47 PM

29. 2 hour one way

by bus.

If I drove it would be 30-45 minutes.

Nice commute though, the bus drives through a bayou and I see lots of water and critters out the windows.

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Response to demwing (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:13 PM

30. I like to leave the driving to someone else when I can

I often have a 2-hour bus ride as well (not including the other modes of transportation I use during the same trip), but the scenery is nothing to write home about. But at least I have the chance to relax, and let the driver deal with the traffic jams.

And the bus is way cheaper than what it would cost me to try to drive the same route.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:31 PM

32. I used to take the bus when I lived in the Portland, OR area...

A lot of people would park their cars at the park-n-ride and take the bus into the city. Works great when a city has decent public transportation.

I haven't taken public transportation since I've in Texas though. I don't know if it's because I was spoiled by Portland and to some extent New York, or if the public transportation just sucks here (been in Austin, Houston and Dallas/Fort Worth) It would be great if more cities had a system like Tri-Met in the portland metro area. It's nice because it's pretty extensive even outside of the core downtown areas. I lived in a small town of 13,000 people about 40 minutes from Portland, and we had regular service twice an hour.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:52 PM

33. $60 unlimited bus pass

good for 31 days of unlimited use = less than car insurance

Id love to have 4 hours of my day back though

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Response to demwing (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:45 AM

34. Wouldn't it be nice if the bus had wifi and a crapper?

You could bring your breakfast and make an event of it!

I don't mind a longer commute by public transportation, but two hours each way would try my patience. I admire your fortitude!

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Response to demwing (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:15 PM

53. My commuter bus goes along the Pacific coast to Santa Barbara

I've seen whales dolphins and seals at times on the way to work.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 04:20 AM

35. Shit is fucked up and bullshit.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:36 PM

37. ....

That's my mantra.







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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:22 PM

36. K&R

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:55 PM

39. minimum wage is a sign of gross inequity .

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 01:28 PM

41. You're supposed to be either still at home, college

or living with friends splitting the rent if your only skills require a minimum wage only job.



It's been that way since at least the 80's, and I speak from personal experience.


I used to date a girl that had two jobs and I still either paid her rent, or her car payment every month.

Another chic I dated was in college and had a roommate they split the rent.

The neighbors on the left had kids and there was two of them, divorced mothers that split the rent.

The neighbors on the right were both college kids they split the rent.

That was WV when the Mwage was 3.35 or something like that...I was in making less than 7/hr and in college.




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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:09 PM

42. kick

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:19 PM

47. Our middle class has been devastated and impoverished.

The restructuring has forced millions into poverty.

Is this considered important by our elected "representatives"? Do we hear urgent calls to address this crisis...the rape of the American people?

No, not considered a crisis at all. In fact, they are focused on cutting the social safety nets.

This is the new normal, and these are your oligarchs.

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:08 PM

51. Bush 2005

Telling a Divorced mother that her having 3 jobs was uniquely American and fantastic. Idiot was too stupid to realize that her jobs paid shit wages.


http://politicalhumor.about.com/cs/georgewbush/a/top10bushisms.htm

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:10 PM

52. Who are these greedy poor people, acting as if they deserve TWO bedrooms?

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:09 PM

60. Meanwhile the rich are getting richer and richer

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Response to OneGrassRoot (Original post)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:54 AM

64. in DC in a decent neighborhood, make that 10 min. wage jobs

In NW DC which is a desirable part of the city to live in (low crime rate, lots to do, includes parts of/close to downtown and museums, attractive historic neighborhoods, lots of parks including Rock Creek Park and C&O Canal), a 2 br. apt is about $2800/mo. to rent and $350,000 to buy, the latter which does not include the condo or coop fee, which is around $1500 typically for a mid-level (as opposed to derelict or luxury) building.

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