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How Karl Rove fixed the FBI investigation of his theft of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio

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Karl Rove adopted Stanley Borgia as a protege, as Borgia coordinated the prosecution of the Lackawanna Six for terrorism. Rove had Borgia moved to Cincinnati FBI's SAC in December 2004, just in time to scuttle the FBI's investigation of the obvious evidence of vote switching in the Southern District of Ohio. We interviewed Clermont County Board of Elections personnel who told us the FBI had looked at the boxes of thousands of optical scan ballots that had been "remade" on election night 2004.

ABC's Scandal series is revealing a lot about how Karl Rove rigged the 2004 Ohio election, but not this aspect of the cover-up.

Update 5/18/13: In the May 16, 2013, episode of Scandal–this season’s finale– the Department of Justice character, David Rosen, turns the evidence of the theft of the Presidential election over to the Karl Rove character, who destroys it. Rosen then gets a Presidential appointment. After his strategic service as Cincinnati Special Agent in Charge, Stanley Borgia was promoted to be in charge of security for the Department of Energy and to serve on the President’s Intelligence Advisory Committee.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:29 PM

1. "We"?? .... interviewed Clermont County etc. & also source link of somesort please & thank you. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:43 PM

4. Richard Hayes Phillips, PhD and Cliff Arnebeck, Attorney in litigation over the 2004 Ohio election

Richard Hayes Phillips, whom Bob Fitrakis of the Free Press and I (for the Ohio Honest Elections Campaign) were paying to digitally photograph ballots from the 2004 election, was having difficulty gaining access to Clermont County ballots. I drove to Clermont County, just north of Cincinnati, and met with the Assistant County Prosecutor assigned to the BOE. Phillips and I then went into the room where the ballots had been counted and were stored. The episode is documented in Phillips book: Witness to a Crime. One of the altered Clermont County ballots appears on the cover of the book.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:48 PM

33. I have his book. You guys did a great investigation...

...that, unfortunately, had almost NO media coverage.

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:44 AM

223. Good media coverage without achieving critical mass--until SCANDAL

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Media coverage of our investigation and litigation could be a long thread itself.

Of course, Karl Rove had a sophisticated media control plan in play from the beginning. Prolonging the Iraq war provided cover: message to Kerry, the Dems, the FBI, and the publishers and political editors: Do you really want to question the legitimacy/integrity of the President and Commander in Chief at a time of war?

Professor Bob Fitrakis (with Harvey Wasserman & Steve Rosenfeld) had the first book out--comprehensive as to both the evidence of widespread vote switching, voter suppression and exit poll discrepancies. Our investigator Richard Phillips expressed unhappiness to the publisher of Bob's book that contained a number of articles written by Phillips that had already been published in the Free Press. The publisher, New Press, canceled the promotional budget for Bob's book. So, Bob had a major academic book publisher--but there was no normal professional promotion of the book. Richard's subsequent book provided a lot of detail and, of course the digital archive of actual 2004 ballots, but was self-published and promoted by Richard.

Bobby Kennedy's June 2006 Rolling Stone article was sensational, but not acknowledged and broadly shared as it should have been by the main stream media. Ohio's largest newspaper the Cleveland Plain Dealer went so far as to assure their readers that they had looked in the matter at the time, and there was nothing to it.

There was some (actually a lot of it: Bobby Kennedy, Jr's article contained a great many mainstream newspaper cites) courageous, aggressive, first-rate main stream media investigation and/or coverage, however it did not get passed on, around and repeated as when a major story builds a achieves critical mass. I attribute this to Rove's sophisticated containment strategy directed from his pivotal position within the White House.

We had many front page stories in the Columbus Dispatch, Cincinnati Enquirer, Cleveland Plain Dealer, McClatchy News, New York Times etc. . . . just not together with legs so as to build and achieve critical mass. The New York Times acknowledged Bob Fitrakis' Free Press as a major Internet publication and source for news on the 2004 election. In the 2012 election the Free Press achieved main stream status by breaking multiple cutting edge stories that were picked up with attribution by major media like Forbes, Fox, CBS and others. And, Dr. Cynthia Boaz published an excellent preelection story in Huffington Post, including reporting upon Richard Charnin's cutting edge statistical evidence of multi-year, multi-state PResidential election vote count rigging.

Our side of the story is the only side that was thoroughly documented by a large number of independent documentary filmmakers and by evidence filed in court.

Critical mass for this subject has now been achieved through the ABC TV series SCANDAL which candidly exposes serial election theft and political assassination for all the world to see and discuss.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #223)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:00 PM

225. Thank you for this post. I have ten copies of...

...What Really Happened in Ohio, two of R H Phillip's book (he gave a talk here in CA about his book several years ago,which I also attended) and most of the other articles you mentioned saved on an old hard drive.

I have yet to see SCANDAL...but I will check it out.

This post is a GREAT summary of media coverage in 2004. At the time, I was mostly following local Ohio news sources online. What I read there was shocking. I continue to believe the story will eventually be told. AND I remain a loyal Kerry supporter, because I think he is a man of integrity...and because he has relentlessly continued his fight to put our country on a better path (than that of GWB) since that 2004 election.

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #225)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:46 PM

229. Karl Rove has no control over the rigging/murdering truth being told in ABC-TV's Scandal

You are in for a real treat! The past episodes are available on the Internet.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 09:57 AM

70. someday the truth will come out

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Response to Botany (Reply #70)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:19 PM

140. I want this book! Where can I get it? This is

the first I'm hearing of it, sorry for my ignorance

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #140)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:38 PM

142. Here... from the author

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #140)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:39 AM

144. The first book out on this was What Happened in Ohio? by my colleague Bob Fitrakis

The first book out on this was What Happened in Ohio? by my colleague Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman and Steve Rosenfeld.

What Happened in Ohio? A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election, by Bob Fitrakis, Steven Rosenfeld, and Harvey Wasserman: $10 SPECIAL through freepress.org
Published by The New Press
"It is my professional opinion that these numbers are fraudulent." - STATISTICIAN RICHARD HAYES PHILIPS, PHD, IN REFERENCE TO OHIO'S 2004 PRESIDENTIAL VOTE COUNT, FROM HIS DEPOSITION IN THE MOSS V. BUSH LAWSUIT, WHICH REACHED THE OHIO SUPREME COURT

In the first comprehensive look at the most critical state's voting process in the 2004 presidential election, three pathbreaking investigative journalists (one a member of the legal team that sued the state of Ohio for election fraud), compile documentary evidence of massive potential theft and fraud in the presidential vote problems that may have changed the outcome of the presidential election in Ohio, and thus the nation.

What Happened in Ohio? includes trucking receipts that show voting machines were pulled back from minority districts; ballots that contain evidence of tampering; mathematical analysis demonstrating the statistical impossibility of voting totals; testimonials from hundreds of voters, campaign workers, and poll workers about conditions that effectively disenfranchised thousands of voters; copies of flyers instructing Democrats to "vote on Wednesday"; official letters sent to tens of thousands of longtime voters incorrectly informing them they had been deemed "inactive" and ineligible to vote; photos taken of the original exit poll data broadcast on election night before it was retroactively "corrected" by the networks; and much, much more.

For anyone suspicious of the Ohio vote, here's the evidence you've been waiting for.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #144)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:51 PM

148. So they have taken this to court, did their excellent

work net any good fruit?

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #148)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 04:42 PM

149. Good fruit from Bob Fitrakis' book and the subsequent King Lincoln v. Blackwell suit

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Yes to both your questions:
1) New Press, the publisher of the book, raised seed money for litigation to preserve the 2004 Ohio ballots that were being threatened with destruction.
2) Fitrakis used his advance from the publisher to partially fund Phillips and others in the creation of a digital archive of the ballots, a part of which are appended as a CD to Phillips' later book, Witness to a Crime.
3) The filing of the litigation, King Lincoln Bronzeville NA et al v Blackwell received exclusive, same day as filing, coverage by the New York Times, giving national authoritative coverage to the problem of the rigging of Presidential elections in the U.S.
4) The federal court promptly issued an order to all 88 Ohio county boards of election to preserve their 2004 ballots beyond the 22 month period required by federal law.
5) Plaintiffs amended their suit to challenge the constitutionality of a partisan Republican voter ID law designed to suppress Democratic voters, associated their suit with new plaintiffs NE Oh Coalition of the Homeless OH making the same challenge, for whom the USDC SDOhio granted declaratory relief before the 2006 election.
6) The book and suit probably affected the 2006 election in which Secretary of State Ken Blackwell was the Republican Party candidate for Governor. Democrats won for Governor, SOS and AG--all offices affected by the scandal of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio as described in the book and our suit.
7) The new Democratic AG negotiated a settlement concept that contemplated, among other things, the AG pursuing an investigation of the election irregularities in the 2004 Ohio election.
8) The Democratic SOS moved to lift the stay placed upon the litigation while the settlement was being worked out to get an order for an accounting of all 2004 ballots and the movement of all surviving ballots to Columbus under her custody and control.
9) We moved lift the stay for limited discovery to permit us to put together a RICO claim against Rove and the US Chamber of Commerce for engaging in a pattern of corrupt election activity and proceeded to take the deposition of Mike Connell, Karl Rove's IT guru pursuant to the order of US District Judge Solomon Oliver oft he Northern District of Ohio on the day before the 2008 general election.
10) We successfully served a deposition subpoena upon Karl Rove and document subpoenas upon the U. S. Chamber of Commerce before the 2010 general election with the cooperation of Defendant Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #149)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:06 PM

151. Anyone going to prison for any of this?

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #151)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 09:57 PM

153. Let's get to the truth and let the truth have its effect

The folks who are making trillions of dollars from government policies designed to serve them are spending billions of dollars to keep things going their way. They are spending billions on both sides of the political spectrum to constrain prosecutorial discretion against taking action against them and their public servants. They are spending on private public interest groups to pursue things other than election and other forms of fraud which are enriching them royally. They are using every kind countermeasure against those who might upset their apple carts. I believe the attorney Paul Minor of Mississippi, who took on the the tobacco companies, and Bill Larach of California who was taking on Enron, were targeted by Karl Rove for federal criminal prosecution and imprisoned to block them from helping to organize litigation against their 21st century organized criminal conspiracy. They have also arranged for the death, or attempts upon the lives of politicians and others who have stood in their way--President John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. being the most notable examples from the last century.

This "evil empire" is no more impregnable to peaceful challenge than was the Soviet Union. It can be brought down and/or transformed quite readily by the truth of it becoming generally known. Public consciousness of it would simply make it unacceptable. Imagine the gratitude humanity would feel toward Karl Rove if he publicly confessed his fraudulent electoral conduct as he did on SCANDAL just the other night on ABC TV. These are crimes on a scale greater than those of the white minority in South Africa, where truth and reconciliation rather than jail were the necessary remedies.







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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #153)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 11:40 PM

154. One thing that has always bothered me is why

did Kerry concede so quickly and without even a fight?

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #154)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 11:19 AM

155. John Kerry needs to explain why he conceded the 2004 election he won

Particularly now that John Kerry is Secretary of State, he owes us and the world an explanation for that. Leading up to the 2004 election, George Soros argued that the election was a referendum upon the GW Bush/PNAC doctrine of preemptive war, and the American people needed to vote for Kerry to voice their disapproval of that doctrine. It was, and they did. And, this was important for our reputation as a law abiding nation. So, why didn't John Kerry fight?

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #155)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 12:17 PM

158. Exactly! I went to bed that night and he had

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a healthy lead, woke up to him being declared the loser of Ohio. Wee hour shenanigans which only the most obtuse would deny occurred. The candidate then simply threw in the towel while bending over, I was in utter disgust

Edited for brain fart

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #158)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 02:41 PM

164. Senator Kerry's 2004 election protection activities

Jonathan Simon of the Alliance for Democracy had taken screen shots of the exit poll data that proved the Kerry victory and alerted the Kerry campaign. An Ohio Democratic operative had informed the General Counsel of the Ohio Democratic Party of the anomalous report of Kerry under performing the rest of the ticket in a dozen SW Ohio counties.

Senator Kerry had taken all of the public interest groups' election protection operations under his wing at the Democratic convention. After the election he informed them there would be no litigation over the 2004 election. His campaign had raised some $7 million for post election litigation. Not a cent of that money was offered to support our citizen challenges in state and federal court, even though Reverend Jesse Jackson asked Senator Kerry for such financial support for our efforts.

Senator Kerry did authorize his Ohio election counsel, Don McTigue, to participate in the recount effort. However, he did not support any of our effort to investigate and litigate against the flagrant fraud in that election.

On the day U.S. Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Senator Barbara Boxer filed the challenge to the Ohio 2004 Electoral Vote, Senator Kerry was in Iraq "with the troops," having left instructions with his Senate colleagues not to support the challenge.

Senator Kerry told Dick Russell, coauthor of Jesse Ventura's book "American Conspiracies" that he knew his election was stolen, but by the time his lawyers figured it out, it was too late to do anything about it.


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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #164)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 04:11 PM

165. Of course it was too late for his lawyers to do

anything about it since he had prematurely conceded the race. 7 million dollars in a post election litigation fund and not one penny offered for your investigation and to see justice meted out, unflippin believable !

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #155)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:08 PM

226. My guess is that they handed him a packet with photos of John Edwards ...

in it and said that they would tie up the presidency with allegations that Kerry knew of the affair all along. Blackmail , DC's best friend.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #155)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:55 PM

227. Maybe he did...

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...and IS fighting. Just not the way some people wanted him to.

Many people don't realize that most concessions...following an election...happen the same night. Gore, in 2000, conceded and then unconceded. That was right to do, but HIGHLY unusual. So was the recount, which IMHO should have been finished. I think the Supreme Court was wrong.

However, one of the strengths of our democracy is the way we transfer power peacefully...and I believe Al Gore considered that when he finally did concede. Elected, but not inaugurated.

As to John Kerry, I believe he is a man of integrity. Only he can say why he conceded the next day. BUT...my guess would be that he ALSO considered whether a fight against GWB would de-stabilize our democracy. I think it could have, even though I would have liked to see one. AND, he may not have had all the information needed to win such a fight. To the best of my memory, evidence was erased from hard drives that could have been critical to winning. And the courts were led by mostly GOP judges.

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #154)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 12:09 PM

157. Why did Kerry not fight?

I was involved with the ePluribus Media folks who helped to uncover the embedded presences of SmarTech and Mike Connell inside of Ken Blackwell's Election Night network.

Some of us felt that an important part of the impetus in Ken Blackwell's contract for 'real-time' reporting of election night results was to ensure that he "owned" election night results.

As Ohio's election night administrator, he came with the vested authority of the State, which ensured that any fight over results began with the GOP holding a couple of built-in advantages.

With Connell's real-time reporting system, by 2 AM SOS Blackwell could assert and begin defending, in Ohio, what was unavailable to SOS Harris the morning after, in Florida: The power of the digital perception that Bush won!

Overnight and immediately, Blackwell put Kerry in the position of overturning the sitting President Bush's 'win'.

It maybe irrelevant to cite it, in this circumstance, but there's lots of reason for the adage, 'ownership is 9/10's of the law'. ePluribus Media collaborators had to bring me around to understanding the advantage that was created by Blackwell's ability to authoritatively claim the Bush win during the wee hours of Nov. 3, 2004.

I think one of the things accomplished by Connell's election night reporting system was to help assure Kerry's quick concession.

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Response to Deltadoc (Reply #157)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 12:21 PM

159. I am clearly missing something because I fail

to understand how this would warrant a quick concession? Sorry

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #159)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 12:30 PM

160. I don't know

for sure, but I think one of the powers of instantaneous, digital media is to give consumers what they want, immediate gratification and closure. I think Kerry remembered the rancorous aftertaste left by Florida's fiasco.

Not all of us gave up that night, but it only requires the perception of "most" to win. If a bunch of those who would fight under other circumstances are convinced to give it up before the real fight starts ('Bush won. Another Florida, oh God!?'), half the battle is won.

To be sure, however, Cliff Arnebeck has more direct knowledge of what the campaign's thinking might have been on that cold morning-after, than I did.

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Response to Deltadoc (Reply #160)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 12:37 PM

161. Well, perception is reality and like yourself, I

have absolutely no concept of the discussions and considerations the Kerry campaign was having the day after. But, igt was very disheartening.

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #161)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:52 PM

166. How Rove used the Iraq War to roll John Kerry

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I think Karl Rove abused his policy position in the White House to prolong the Iraq war. Had we simply toppled Saddam Hussein, a self-admitted Stalinist, and left the Iraqi army and civil service alone, as our military wanted to do, the war would have been over before the 2004 election. I believe it was Rove who was behind the dismissal of the Iraqi army and the debathification of the Iraqi civil service, which created a power vacuum, an insurgency and a long war of occupation. Perhaps Rove's missing Emails would reveal this to be the case.

For Rove it was a way to have G.W. Bush running for reelection as a "war-time President;" and a basis for telling John Kerry, the Democratic Party, the FBI and our nation's investigative press corps that they could not attack the integrity of the President and Commander in Chief at a time of war. Persuading/influencing Kerry not to contest was the key to getting everyone else to fall into line. The evidence that John Kerry felt a duty to support the war, the commander-in-chief and the troops was his presence in Iraq on January 6, 2005, the day the challenge to the Ohio Electoral College vote was raised by U.S. Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones and U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer.

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #154)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 07:08 AM

275. That has bothered me too. ALOT

when he wouldnt fight for it, it really showed that he didnt want it at all.
As soon as I heard his 'concession' I ripped the bumper sticker off my car.
That'll show em, I thought....yeah, right, showed them...

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Response to DiverDave (Reply #275)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:31 PM

280. Conspiracy thugs calling their critics "conspiracy theorists"

This morning I posted a diary on Daily Kos discussing the absurdity of our letting Karl Rove get away with the treasonous conduct in which he has engaged so successfully for so long. Someone quoted my original post for this thread and on that basis recommended that my diary be excluded as "conspiracy theory."

Here is the link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/28/1205369/-Absurd-control-we-gave-Karl-Rove-over-U-S?showAll=yes

Fear of this label being applied to those willing to stand up against actual political conspiracies may have been a factor weighing against John Kerry contesting the reported 2004 Presidential election result. It certainly worked well against those who pointed to evidence of a conspiracy in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #151)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 11:25 AM

156. We need your financial support to sustain civil litigation against election fraud

Go to ElectionProtectionAction.org to make either a tax deductible, or confidential, contribution.

Thank you for your consideration,

Cliff Arnebeck

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #156)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 12:38 PM

162. This is a no brainer, done !

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #162)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 01:30 PM

163. Thank you!

I believe we have had the support of only one member of the financial elite in this country since 2004. The bulk of our support has come from ordinary citizens--the same base that Howard Dean tapped into during the 2004 Presidential primary. The truth is, we members of the 99% can beat those who are stealing trillions and spending billions to retain their privilege to do so. All each of us needs to do is our part.

Thank you very much, Art, for your leadership.

Cliff

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #162)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:47 PM

181. How Rove used the Iraq War to get Kerry to concede.

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Please see my updated/edited post #166 to your question about why Kerry conceded. And thank you again for your support.

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #151)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:23 AM

265. Political and Moral War Against American Fascism

Bernie Sanders seems to be suggesting that would be a good idea. He's calling for a political and moral war against corporate crooks.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #265)

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 11:15 AM

266. I heard about that and he is dead on!

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #266)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 12:50 PM

267. Sanders for Sainthood?

I cannot recall an instance where Bernie Sanders was not dead on. He is one of those extremely rare political figures who might qualify for sainthood.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #267)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:09 PM

269. I agree! He is one of the rare ones who hold office for the right reasons!

His values and principles are not for sale

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Response to Botany (Reply #70)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:41 PM

224. Out now in SCANDAL!

It's out now, in ABC-TV's Scandal series, Thursday nights @ 10 pm.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:36 AM

76. thank you so much for this investigation and for posting this

I wrote you a letter or an email in those early days thanking you and you replied which amazed me. Without you and Bob Fitrakis this whole sham would have been swept under the rug.

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Response to xiamiam (Reply #76)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:48 PM

174. Thank you

Thank you for your words of support and encouragement.

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Response to patrice (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 08:20 PM

40. Richard Hayes Phillips --- A Citizens' Audit of an American Election -- exposition for you.

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Response to patrice (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 05:39 PM

96. Video of our July 17, 2008 News Conference: announced intention to sue Karl Rove under Ohio RICO

Here is the link to our 2008 news conference in Columbus: http://archive.org/details/ElectionFraudInOhioCourtCase

I also raised the matter of Borgia's placement as SAC for Cincinnati in December 2004 at a Restore Justice at Justice news conference at the National Press Club in 2009: http://vimeo.com/album/111956/video/5688799

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:30 PM

2. How about a source for that?

 

would help for future use.

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:53 PM

6. Um... I'm Thinking... He IS The Source...




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Response to WillyT (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:02 PM

9. Yep!

Some people either were not around DU then or have short term memories.


Thanks for all you do, Mr. Arnebeck.

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:56 PM

152. We used to have a very active

elections forum here on DU. This story was a frequent topic on that forum.

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Response to WillyT (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:49 PM

34. true dat!

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Response to WillyT (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:49 PM

35. ...

... GREAT picture.

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:59 PM

8. Why - he testified at the hearings n/t

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:54 PM

37. Cliff Arnebeck was lead counsel for the voters law suit in Ohio.

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:51 PM

82. He IS the source!

Not being fascious, but if you google the OP's name you'll see what I mean. Too bad the media did not cover the work he and others did on those crimes. Not blaming you at all for not being familiar with the OP and his work, just sad that the truth was never covered by our media.

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:34 PM

101. NYT article on Lackawanna Six Terrorism case and Stanley Borgia's role in it

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/12/nyregion/12LACK.html

Excerpt of the NYT article describing Stanley Borgia's role:

Headquarters ordered written updates twice a day, at 6 a.m. and 2 p.m. Mr. Mueller was briefed twice daily, the officials said, and he often made Lackawanna part of his daily briefing to President Bush. Stanley Borgia, then second in command in the Buffalo F.B.I., said, "I would look at my watch and say, `8:30. The president is saying to the director, `What's going on in Buffalo?' "

Investigators who a month earlier had been without hard evidence of a serious crime now had their eyes and ears in so many places that the hint of threat appeared almost everywhere.

On a pay phone, they detected what one referred to as "assessment calls" between Mr. Derwish and some suspects. "One of the recruiters was calling, `How are the guys doing?' " said an F.B.I. official. The concern was that Mr. Derwish might activate his recruits. In one call, an official said, a friend of the suspects warned Mr. Derwish that the F.B.I. was watching.

The approach of the Fourth of July in 2002 brought a chorus of terror warnings around the country. In Lackawanna, agents were told that one man named in the anonymous letter might be buying propane tanks, according to two law enforcement officials. They feared a bomb.

Then, just before July 4, an informant told the local police of overhearing talk that men dressed as Arab women might attack a mall with explosives hidden under their clothes. "It was tense, very tense," Chief O'Hara said. "I can tell you one thing, on the Fourth of July, I didn't let my wife or family go to any malls."

But the suspects barely stirred. "They just did their normal routine," said Mr. Borgia. "They just went about their normal lives."

In fact, throughout that summer they mostly went about their normal lives. But with the first anniversary of Sept. 11 approaching, with the case being briefed in Washington twice daily, with orders from the White House on down to prevent any act of terrorism, and with it increasingly clear the men had lied about training with Osama bin Laden, even normal looked suspicious.

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:51 AM

118. Where'd you go, Joe? nt.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:30 PM

3. Watch out you might scare Karl, he is a dirty rotten dog, maybe this is why he didnt want

The election called so early, he must have thought he had his people working for him again. The more I hear about the Bush administration the more dirt I see coming from the scumbags. We will be paying for the sins of those years for a long time.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:29 PM

172. Rove is afraid. Your support for our efforts scares him even more.

The reason this gang fears private litigation is that it could be a vehicle for recovering from them some of those damages. I am surprised there have not been any trolls on this site attacking our work so as to discourage funding support from DU for our efforts.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:44 PM

5. Maybe they got it from here? Huff Post?`

 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/art-levine/mia-in-voting-machine-war_b_2054411.html

But there's a political stalemate at work that means that few short-term solutions are considered when the voting machine issue is so polarized. Most mainstream advocacy groups, the two major political parties and conventional media outlets generally don't care about voting machine accuracy. In turn, the voting integrity movement has become so marginalized by its controversial, if well-researched, insistence that the 2002 and 2004 presidential elections were stolen by mastermind Karl Rove, and that all types of electronic voting machines are so easily rigged and unreliable that they should be scrapped. In this climate, moderate, incremental reforms like the now-dead voting machine reform legislation sponsored by Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ), or Professor Stark's handy auditing method don't stand much of a chance.

At the same time, as Harvey Wasserman and others contend, it's not really fair to blame the messenger of failed machines and rigged elections for the lack of meaningful reforms. "It doesn't matter how you present it," he says of he largely indifferent or even hostile response from public officials, Democrats and many progressives. "They can't face the reality that it challenges their presumption that this is a democratic system."

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Response to SugarShack (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:14 PM

13. Value of a paper trail

But for the work of CASE-Ohio, led by Susan Truitt, Ohio would not have had as many paper ballots in the 2004 election. CASE-Ohio pushed for legislation that required DRE machines to have a paper trail.

In the 2012 election we believe the credible threat of a manual recount at the expense of ES&S of ballots cast in counties to which ES&S had attached secret software patches just before the election scared ES&S and the Republican Secretary of State into "nixing the fix."

This is written up by Lou Dubose in the January Issue of the Washington Spectator, and republished at ElectionProtectionAction.org.

The threat of a court supervised post election audit--made credible by the testimony/affidavit of NSA expert Mikey Duniho and of which Karl Rove was unaware--explains Karl Rove's election night meltdown over the Ohio call by Fox News.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:09 PM

24. Question - was Rove's election night outburst on Fox

linked to a 2012 plan which failed?

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Response to malaise (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:25 PM

27. No. President Obama won by over 100 electoral votes.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:50 PM

87. But that doesn't mean that Rove didn't try to steal Ohio and failed.

Remember that Rove and a lot of other Republicans thought that it was going to be a very close election and that Ohio might determine the outcome. When Rove made his outburst, the scope of Obama's electoral margin was not yet clear. Rove clearly thought that Romney could still win Ohio and the election. Why was he so sure in spite of a lot of evidence to the contrary? It was more than just denial, imo. He knew something - or thought he knew something. And go back to 2004. Something clearly seemed to have happened in Ohio and several other states which made the exit polls not line up very well with the actual final outcome.

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Response to malaise (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 08:12 PM

39. Rove's grand plan of which the secret Ohio ES&S patch was a part

Yes. Rove had a grand scheme, led by the OpSec (Operations Security) attack, that fizzled before it got very far off the ground. OpSec was to damage Obama in 2012 the same way the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth damaged Kerry in 2004. This time, however, Jill Simpson tracked OpSec's origins to Rove and SmarTech months before its claimed originators said they had created it. Scytl was supposed to play a part in realizing the benefits of the OpSec attack. Simpson exposed Scytl's North American HQ as being a residence in Virginia. Scytl filed a change of address for its HQ to another token address the day after Simpson's picture of the Virginia home appeared in the Free Press.

Rove was still counting on the traditional 5-6 point red shift in the Ohio vote on election night. The leak to the Free Press of the ES&S secret contract the week before the election and our litigation regarding it on election day disrupted this last piece of the grand plan that had been unraveling all along.



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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #39)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 08:44 PM

41. Thanks for your excellent response

and yes we had a hunch that he was shocked it didn't work this time.

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Response to malaise (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:19 PM

204. Thanks & please visit ElectionProtectionAction.org for more action!

Thanks for your active participation in this thread, and your complements.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #204)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:28 PM

205. Keep up your great work

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Response to malaise (Reply #205)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:23 PM

273. Thank you!

Thanks, again,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #204)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 06:42 PM

262. Have you made the connection between Margaret Thatcher's poll tax and

electoral 'reforms' being promoted by ReTHUG governors and ReTHUG controlled legislatures.
They want to turn back the clock.

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Response to malaise (Reply #262)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 09:12 AM

264. Rove Koch Chambers' conjuring up new and enhanced All American Jim Crow schemes

I was not familiar with this "English" lesson. Democracy as envisioned in our Declaration of Independence is based upon the Judeo-Christian concept of each of us being created in the image of God. This spark of divinity within each of us as human beings is what entitles us to know what is going on, form and express opinions about it, and vote. Poll taxes and similar Jim Crow tactics originating out of Rove/Koch/Chambers (21st century Republican controlled state legislatures) are based upon material elitism and the pagan worship of golden idols.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #39)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:47 PM

49. What did you think of the Anonymous video that came out right after the election?

Do you think they helped to stop the theft or was that video a sham?

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Response to FourScore (Reply #49)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 08:25 PM

103. Other help in deterring misconduct in elections

I recall the video appearing before the election, warning Rove not to tamper with it. After the election Brett Kimberlin reported receipt of a letter from "Protectors" claiming to have shut down parts of Romney's computer operations in three states. Thom Hartmann came out with a piece suggesting he thought this activity helped block Rove and may have been the reason for his election night meltdown on Fox.

Because Rove was complaining only about Fox's call of Ohio for Obama, I think it was the Ohio Free Press suit that "nixed Rove's Ohio fix," rather than anything Anonymous or the "Protectors" did. Beyond that, I have no knowledge or opinion about what they did. I do think that the DOJ and FBI presence in the field to watch for both voter suppression and vote rigging activity was a major improvement in our commitment as a nation to honest elections. I also appreciated the President's acknowledgment at his State of the Union address of the black woman who waited in line for many hours to vote. The President has directed his attention to this problem, and he is the best ally we could possibly have.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #103)

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:22 AM

104. Interesting!

Keep up the good fight, Mr Arnebeck!!

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:46 PM

31. An excerpt from Dubose's article here...

Rove’s on-air meltdown was understandable. He had just squandered $300 million that corporate oligarchs poured into the two dark-money PACs he created to buy the Senate and the presidency.

Plaintiff’s attorney Clifford Arnebeck has a different theory.

Exactly seven hours before Rove embarrassed himself and Fox News, Arnebeck was in an Ohio courtroom, arguing that a secret contract the state’s secretary of state had executed with a voting-tabulation company created the capacity to “flip the vote” in 25 Ohio counties.

To understand Arnebeck’s lawsuit, it is necessary to understand who the defendants were.

(...)

http://www.washingtonspectator.org/index.php/Archive/did-an-election-day-lawsuit-stop-karl-roves-vote-rigging-scheme-in-ohio.html


Karl Rove's bizarre behavior gives me flashbacks of the equally-disturbing 2004 election being first declared as a Kerry win by all networks, then taken back when Bush's cousin, a Fox News employee, received word from Jeb Bush's state that new results had put Bush on top.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 08:10 PM

111. I think you are confusing the 2004 and 2000 elections

The 2000 elections were the ones that initially reported a Gore win in Florida, only to be reversed by the Bush cousin on Fox.

The 2004 elections were always hokey in Ohio, but I don't think they ever reported a Kerry win followed by a reversal.

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Response to waddirum (Reply #111)

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 08:36 PM

112. Good catch.

I most certainly confused the two. Duh!


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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:58 PM

7. Whatever happened with the Michael Connell investigation?

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/22/republican_it_specialist_dies_in_plane

A top Republican internet strategist who was set to testify in a case alleging election tampering in 2004 in Ohio has died in a plane crash. Michael Connell was the chief IT consultant to Karl Rove and created websites for the Bush and McCain electoral campaigns. Michael Connell was deposed one day before the election this year by attorneys Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis about his actions during the 2004 vote count in Ohio and his access to Karl Rove’s email files and how they went missing.

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Response to malaise (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:14 PM

14. Thank you for posting that.

I was just going to ask if that was another cover-up. I hope it now comes to trial or an investigation, as that has always eaten at me.

Also, the death of the programmer out of Florida that was "suicided" in one of those mysterious locked motel rooms. That was hushed up pretty quickly, as well. No autopsy, as I recall.

Before I leave this earth, I'd sure love to know what happened and see a few frog marches.

Welcome to DU, Mr. Arnebeck!

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:29 PM

17. YES -this is one I want settled as well

How these men parade in public shocks me.
I don't plan to forget that 2000 theft of Florida either.

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:26 PM

28. Enabled by Ralph Nader, who threw the election and admits it in his own words.NH NH NH

 

because SCOTUS decided Florida, and Gore would have won 270 without Florida.

And Nader lied, as Gore wouldn't have chosen those judges that the Bush's did.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:40 AM

77. Nader had nothing to do with this.

But you can believe what ever you want.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:18 AM

145. Rove orchestrated the theft of the 2000 election from Vice President Al Gore

Rove also orchestrated, out of SmarTech, the theft of the 2000 election.

FSOS Katherine Harris knowingly purged tens of thousands of fully qualified and registered black voters from the rolls. I was told of this tactic by a Republican lawyer in Columbus, Ohio the week before the election, and Greg Palast documented it.

Punch card ballots were deliberately manipulated to create under-votes/over-votes on ballots cast for Gore.

Electronic voting machines were manipulated by malicious software.

Criminal six-point red-shifting prejudices the ability of progressive independent candidates to play their most constructive role in the election process. On election day of the 2012 election, Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein was was not seeking votes. She, with Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman, were working to block the application of malicious software in 25 Ohio counties administered by ES&S.

In 2004 Green Party Presidential Candidate David Cobb and the Libertarian Party candidate led the Ohio Recount effort.

See: http://ElectionProtectionAction.org for video of the 2012 election day press conference and litigation in that regard.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #145)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 04:48 PM

150. They changed the thickness of the punch card paper at the mill.

Last edited Fri Mar 29, 2013, 07:07 PM - Edit history (1)

There's a video out there... That Dan Rather did where they talk about the paper where the punch cards was manufactured. They said the substrate thickness of the paper roll changed making the punch cards more difficult to use contributing to the "hanging chads" and "dimples" and other anomalies with the punch cards in Florida specifically.


Here's part of the transcript below the rest can be found here http://election-reform.org/dan_rather.html#palm_beach


Sequoia: Switched to substandard paper ballots for 2000 Presidential Election

38:35 Dan Rather: The idea that finding the best voting system is an engineering problem is not new. In fact it was some of the best engineering minds in the country, at IBM, who perfected the old Votomatic punch card system decades ago. Those punch cards, when they had been used by IBM for data processing, had been precise enough to help land a man on the moon. That's how reliable they were.

But by 2000, in an avalanche of hanging and falling chads, the punch card voting system was proclaimed to be "unreliable", old hat, out with the old and in with the new. Yet seven years and billions of dollars later, the public, especially in Florida, the public is clamoring for paper ballots again. Only this time, there is no IBM quality control, no quality control standards in the background. And each machine now costs thousands of dollars not a few hundred, as in the punch card era.

How did we get here? It all happened so quickly, in a matter of weeks, maybe months, starting in Florida. Was this rush to convert even necessary? There may be some disturbing answers to that question, in events that unfolded long before Bush vs. Gore.

Tonight we hear from a group of people who think they know what happened in Florida, 2000, and why.

The following is not on the video, but is in the HDnet transcript: It all sounds familiar, too familiar. Taxpayers being asked to throw out millions of dollars worth of voting equipment, start over again, and pick up the tab. With no guarantee the new equipment will provide a solution to the problems. Technology can often offer a solution to a complicated process, in this case, accurately recording votes. But technology poorly conceived, designed, integrated and tested is a recipe for failure. In this instance, subsidizing the same outfits that couldn't get it right the first time, giving them more chances could lead to the further waste of millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars. And just as important, the further loss of confidence in our nation's ability to use technology to provide solutions for mission-critical applications, none more important to our nation than accurately recording each of our votes.

Now, back to a core question: was the rush to these expensive and perhaps ill-conceived new voting systems necessary?
End of section on the transcript, but not on the video

40:00 Dan Rather: Our investigation took us into the heart of California's central valley, to the tiny town of Exeter, where for over thirty years Sequoia voting systems, at this factory, made hundreds of millions of punch card ballots, up until 2003. Punch card ballots dominated the voting landscape in 2000. Among many other places they were the most common voting system in Florida. The system seemed idiot proof. You simply took a stylus and punched out holes, or chads, as they are known, and the cards were then run through a computerized tabulator. Couldn't be simpler, or so it seemed.

What really struck voting experts about the 2000 election in Florida were the many tens of thousands of ballots that had overvotes or undervotes for president. Where voters appeared to have voted for more than one presidential candidate or none at all. Over 50,000 Sequoia punch cards statewide were discarded as invalid because voters appeared to have overvoted. In fact, on fully 17,000 of the Sequoia cards, voters seemed to have voted for three or more presidential candidates! Meanwhile, in Palm Beach County alone over 10,000 voters had not voted for president at all.

Experts scrambled for possible explanations, confused voters, confusing ballot layout, like the infamous butterfly ballot. But no one was looking at the punch cards themselves.

We recently met up with a group of former Sequoia employees who actually made the punch card ballots, who feel they have the real answer as to what happened in Florida 2000, and why.

They have never had a chance to tell their stories. Until now. Thanks for doing this. I appreciate each and every one of you being here. Well first of all, tell me who you are and how many years you had at Sequoia.

Tom Ayers: I'm Tom Ayers and I was at Sequoia for 33 years. I was the shipping and receiving foreman.

Linda Evans: I'm Linda Evans I was at Sequoia Pacific for 7 or 8 years and I did quality control.

Suzy Keller: Suzy Keller. I worked at Sequoia for 25 and a half years and I was the controller.

Giles Jensen: Giles Jensen. I worked for Sequoia Pacific for 25 years and I had several positions in management.

Cy Turner: Cy Turner. I was the pressman at Sequoia for 13 years.

Greg Smith: Greg Smith. I worked for Sequoia Pacific for 32 years and I was a pressman trainer.

E. Washington: E. Washington, I was a pressman at Sequoia pacific. I worked there 26 years.

Dan Rather: Well have you added up how many years experience you have cumulative total between you?

Workers: (laughter) A lot.

Dan Rather: John Ahmann, the biggest punch card expert in the United States says that Sequoia Pacific made the best voting ballots anywhere.

43:25 Cy Turner: We took great pride in the quality of ballots we put out; there was no leeway. It had to be right and it had to be on time. And they took a great pride in doing that from top to bottom.

Dan Rather: Well, the company told customers that Sequoia produced, and I quote, "a no defect product." Now, what did that mean to you?

Suzy Keller: No defects? That means punch cards would punch properly. They would go through the card readers properly. It's a no fault, what they said. And they did it for years.

Dan Rather: They did it, these workers say, until the months leading up to the 2000 presidential election, when they say they saw many things changing, but none more troubling than the paper itself.

Linda Evans: The paper would come through the press looking like it was doing, like jello. It would just kinda, and we'd have to go throw away both ends of the paper, cuz we couldn't run it.

Greg Smith: The paper? The paper is a large factor in the quality of the ballot.

Cy Turner: It's the flour for the bread. I mean you can't make good bread without good flour. If you don't have good paper, you can't make good ballots.

Dan Rather: Did you have input, you know, as rank and file workers in the plant, did you have input on what kind of paper was acceptable and what kind wasn't.

E. Washington: Yes.

Dan Rather: The policy was workers could reject rolls that were imperfect or damaged and they say they often did send rolls out for salvage trying to insure top quality ballots.

Cy Turner: A pressman running a press could reject a roll, kick it back to raw stock, say this roll was no good. We had rolls come off in huge logs and they're marked by position when they slice a, b, c, d, e. Right about early '99, maybe middle of '99 started getting rolls marked x and z. We couldn't figure that out, but man they were terrible.

Greg Smith: We had quite a bit of input, but towards the end, we had no input whatsoever.

Dan Rather: So things changed.

All: Yes they did.

Greg Smith: After 1999, it was all over. It was like we were all put on the shelf.

Dan Rather: And your opinion didn't matter after that.

All: Exactly.

What changed in 1999?

Greg Smith: The paper changed. They decided that they wanted to go with a certain brand. And I think that everybody's opinion was this 2000 election was going to be our demise. Because of the poor quality of what we put out the door.

45:55 Dan Rather: For decades Sequoia had ordered its punch card ballot paper from James River or International Paper; the only mills that had traditionally offered voting punch card stock. In 2000, the company switched to a new mill, Boise Cascade, which had virtually no experience making tab card stock. Workers say they were told to stop testing paper samples. Traditional quality control standards were relaxed.

Linda Evans: There were a lot of things that we were told to let go. And there was card bins I wouldn't sign off. I refused to sign em. They'd sit there overnight and they would say, "you gonna sign em?" and I'd go "no". Come in the following morning, all the bins had been signed off and moved to the front.

Dan Rather: Which means they're being made into ballots.

Linda Evans: Right. Which means someone else signed em off and said let em go.

Dan Rather: But the workers say the problems they were having with the paper went beyond a mere change in suppliers. They say they were suddenly seeing paper rolls that weren't clearly even Boise Cascade paper, because these rolls had Xeroxed Boise shipping labels, rather than genuine ones. Where was all this terrible paper coming from? They say they were baffled that so much paper could be bad, until one day, they got a clue.

E. Washington: One of the pressman is not here. Bob Krause. He had a thing if the paper was real bad, that he would write little nasty letters on the side of the roll. Well, we got one of those rolls back, with the same letter that he had written on it. So, then, that's when it went through our mind that some of that paper was getting rewound and sent back.

47:40 Dan Rather: Not only that. Mr. Washington says this roll, and many of the worst rolls, had a Xeroxed Boise packing label on it. Let me understand this. Your fellow worker, he gets paper he knows is not up to quality?

E. Washington: He's disgusted with. Yes.

Dan Rather: So he marks on it?

E. Washington: Yes.

Dan Rather: This is bad or whatever. That presumably leaves the plant or goes somewhere and then it comes back with one of these Xerox Boise labels on it?

E. Washington: Yeah.

Dan Rather: Did you know about this as well?

Greg Smith: Well, I had the same suspicions as everybody else did as far as the paper. Felt that it, it was rejected and it was taken out of the plant and stored somewhere and then relabeled and brought back.

Dan Rather: Well let's just go down the line is there any doubt in your mind that the company was aware that the ballots for the 2000 general election, including the Presidential vote, were being made with inferior paper? You don't think there's any doubt that they knew that?

Various: No doubt. They were told every day. Yeah. They were told everyday.

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #150)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:55 PM

175. Rather investigated Ohio 2004 ballots as well

Thank you for adding this information. Dan Rather's crew came to Columbus in 2007 and conducted a similar investigation of the 2004 Ohio paper punch card ballots. The most obvious evidence of this form of vote count rigging had been illegally destroyed.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:29 PM

183. Ralph Nader's role in the 2000 Presidential election

My wife and I encountered Republican political operatives organizing the circulation of petitions to get Ralph Nader on the Ohio 2000 ballot for President. I do not recall hearing Ralph asking Florida voters not to vote for him because of the closeness and apparent cheating going on in that election or criticizing Karl Rove and/or the Republican Party of Florida for stealing the 2000 Presidential election.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #183)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 04:11 AM

235. Thank you for this, and for clarifying the difference between the way Nader acted

and the way the Green Party acted in the elections.

We can thank the Green Party for helping to keep the GOP from stealing elections -- but not Nader.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:07 PM

43. Ray Lemme, another probable victim of a strategic political assassination

Ray Lemme, an investigator for the Florida Department of Transportation, was assassinated according to evidence gathered by investigative journalist John Caylor. Lemme told Clint Curtis that he was on the verge of issuing a report with which Curtis would be pleased.

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Response to malaise (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 09:58 PM

42. If one was ever done, it is incomplete.

Mike Connell's death has not yet been properly investigated as the result of the crime that it was.

An anonymous source from within the McCain campaign informed us: first, that Rove had issued a threat, through Jeff Averbeck, of adverse consequences if Connell did not take the fall for the theft of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio, and then later, that Connell was willing to talk and that he was in danger from Rove. The second report prompted us to press for Connell's deposition before the 2008 election and for his personal attendance at the Cleveland federal court hearing on whether the deposition would proceed.

Connell did not "take the fall." Indeed, he pointed the finger at others for the obvious security issues raised by having SmarTech servers mirroring the Ohio Secretary of State's entire election operation.

Attorney General Mukasey did not designate the December 19, 2008 crash as a crime scene, so it was investigated by the NTSB to determine other possible causes. Later, when another informant using the pseudonym of Mark Felt (Deep Throat of Watergate), transmitted a post operation report on the termination of Mike Connell as a national security threat, the Cleveland FBI decided there was nothing to it. When I asked the Columbus FBI to meet with me, Bob Fitrakis and Henry Eckhart to discuss all the evidence we had of an ongoing racketeering conspiracy, I was advised that because the Cleveland FBI decided there was nothing to it, they were not going to look at it any further. Stanley Borgia at this point was serving on the President's Intelligence Advisory Panel.

The federal court in Columbus declined to permit us to take the deposition of Karl Rove, whom we had successfully subpoenaed with the cooperation of Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.

We are hoping to soon have both the judicial forum and the necessary resources to proceed with a proper investigation of Karl Rove's role as the principal perpetrator in an ongoing pattern of corrupt activity, including, but not limited to, strategic assassinations.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:31 PM

46. Could RICO be used against Rove

and his associates? You have fraud, money laundering, obstruction and maybe even murder for hire. Could Roves assets be siezed, or those of his contributors?

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Response to pscot (Reply #46)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:07 PM

81. Ohio's Corrupt Practices Act--the most powerful RICO statute in the U.S.

Yes, Ohio's RICO was drafted by Senator Gene Watts who taught criminology at Ohio State University. Watts wanted Ohio's statute to be better than any in the nation--including federal RICO. He succeeded. The statute was adopted unanimously. Ohio RICO has a liberal statute of limitations--an action must be brought within five years of the last corrupt act within the pattern of corrupt activity. It has national reach. Our announcement on July 17, 2008, of our intention to bring such an action terrified Karl Rove. Republicans have used this statute twice against Democratic/progressive groups in their voter registration activity. They used it to shut down ACORN. We can use it to shut down election rigging in the United States.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #81)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:14 PM

139. Cliff, I understand why the RW doesn't really advocate for clean elections.

But why is the issue such taboo for Dems, too? Kerry bailed like a beaten dog after his election got stolen--not even a token resistance after the fact. And you and your info were out there (and on DU) at the time. The RW media obviously ignored it in 2000 and 2004, but the details of these thefts must have been known by Democratic pols who have stayed conspicuously silent about it for reasons I can't understand. Election theft has paid handsome dividends as it has led to some of the most extreme RW policy decisions in the history of this country. Yet no one pounds their fist on the table to demand fair elections. If it's not dealt with, it renders efforts on all other issues useless. We win on merit, but lose on the process.

And BTW--Thanks for your heroic efforts and stay safe.

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Response to joeunderdog (Reply #139)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:28 AM

143. American elections--golf club rules: Republicans get a six point handicap

Joe, I am going to start another thread on this issue. I really like this give and take format on DU.

Major funders, and the major funder on the Democratic side, would not, and will not, fund the investigation of, and litigation against, election fraud. Consequently, systemic red-shifting of votes functions like a six percentage point handicap. It is as if our elections were golf games being played at a private club.

How could Republicans, carrying water for those regarding themselves as masters of the universe, win fair elections? They could not. So, they get an election handicap. Democrats with exceptional charm like Presidents Obama and Clinton can win. Damn good, but more ordinary candidates like Senator John Kerry and Vice President Al Gore would have won under tournament rules, but not under club rules, where their opponents got a six point handicap. Complain about the club rules and you will get thrown out of the club and not get funded by the major Democratic funders for your next election. Both Kerry and Gore supported recounts, but neither attacked the massive fraud orchestrated by Karl Rove on behalf of their opponent, George W. Bush.

I believe Howard Dean was torpedoed in the Democratic primary of 2004 because his concept of "beating Republicans by standing up and fighting" was diametrically opposed to letting Republicans play and "win" based upon a six point handicap.



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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #143)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:27 AM

146. where's the other thread --

cliff this issue is the real puzzle for me -- or is it the smoking gun indicating that it's ALL theatre and gamesmanship? And who is "THE" biggest funder of Dems?

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #146)

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:09 PM

147. George Soros' disinterest in funding/supporting the prosecution of Rove's serial election fraud

I have not posted it yet.

Yes, it's the smoking gun. However, the red-shifting is not unlimited. Democrats can win, but have to do so by more than six points to be declared the winner. See RichardCharnin.com for the documentation and:

Ohio 2004 True Vote Analysis
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdGN3WEZNTUFaR0tfOHVXTzA1VGRsdHc#gid=0

Absolute Proof: The National Exit Poll was adjusted to match the bogus 2004 recorded vote.
http://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/the-final-2004-national-exit-poll-switched-7-2-of-kerry-responders-to-bush/


Ohio 2004 County True Vote and unadjusted exit poll
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDNzZWhMcF9sS3pHRWdUZE8zdEs4aGc#gid=23

This is a lot of statistical evidence. The bottom line is that Rove has been shifting the votes toward his Republican candidates by about six points and the statistical evidence of this, including the scientific exit polls on file at the University of Connecticut, is conclusive beyond any doubt. Steve Freeman from the University of PA wrote a book on the exit poll discrepancy in the 2004 election which takes apart point-by-point all the flack that was thrown out (again coordinated by Rove) to discredit exit polls and defame those who recognize scientific exit polling as the international gold standard for the detection of election fraud.

George Soros is the major funder of both Democratic candidates and progressive causes. He will not fund the investigation or civil or criminal prosecution of election fraud, however.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:39 PM

48. By saying Karl Rove and strategic assassinations in the same sentence you just chummed the DU waters

There are dark nasty things lurking here. Don't you think that's a premature choice of words when you use the word "hoping"?

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #48)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:59 PM

95. Hope for our democracy

Many found it interesting that Karl Rove raised the question if his involvement in strategic assassinations in his appearance before Politico at the 2012 Republican Convention. Rove said that Craig Unger had accused him of murdering Mike Connell in Unger's book "Boss Rove."

I express hope about bringing appropriate litigation to fruition because of the considerable force and money out there to prevent such a thing from happening. I think ABC TV's Scandal is a major development in our favor because it is presenting some pretty "dark nasty things lurking here" (rigging Presidential elections and killing people to cover it up) in a rather matter-of-fact way.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #95)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:36 AM

115. Yeah.. Dunno about that. "Scandal" is just the Grey's Anatomy version of presidential politics.

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #115)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:34 AM

117. "Scandal" is revealing inside information

An insider is consulting/participating in the writing of the script. They are revealing inside information, whether it is coming from that source or others with, or with access to, inside information--probably both.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #117)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:44 PM

129. If you are saying there was a White House cabal in place to get Bush elected, that would be news

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I have to say that information would never be allowed to come to light. There has been nothing unique in the the story line that points to new information not previously discussed. There is so much going on in Scandal's plot line from sex affairs, violence, black ops, oh yes, even politics... so many different plot strings that any sort of historical truths concerning election fraud are rendered sterile.

Art imitating life... possibly, there is certainly a lot to cull, the bulk of it however was speculation then and still is today.

"There's no there there"


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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #129)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:08 AM

132. SCANDAL--truth camouflaged as fiction

The reason truthful information is being "allowed to come to light" is that it is being presented by SCANDAL in the the form of fiction. A lot of history and current events are being publicly discussed for the first time under this camouflage.

Some of the sex is hyperbolic. I have no information about other parts of it. Perhaps some of the hottest sex ever presented on prime time broadcast television is being presented as a lure to a broader audience to take an interest in politics.

However, SCANDAL is reporting essential facts rather than speculation about what may well be the crime of this century.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #132)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 06:01 AM

170. I watch Scandal

I think the "Defiance" storyline on Scandal is only loosely based on what is thought to have happened. It doesn't appear to me that all of the evidence on what really happened has been uncovered and may only get uncovered if someone flips on Rove.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #170)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:44 PM

173. SCANDAL is breaking the ice. Please support our work to complete the story.

More than one insider has flipped on Rove. Jill Simpson exposed Rove's instigation of the Siegelman prosecution by affidavit, testimony and 60 Minutes interviews. In 2012, after Rove attacked her, Simpson laid out Rove's entire electronic vote rigging empire: see her press conference at the National Press Club on October 24, 2012 at ElectionProtectionAction.org.

Also, please contribute and ask others to contribute to support our continuing investigative and litigative efforts. Convenient contribution buttons are at that site: ElectionProtectionAction.org

SCANDAL is telling the essence of the story in readily digestible form. We can provide the details in our litigation. SCANDAL is breaking the ice.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #173)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:05 AM

177. Link it Cliff... and I'd bet Skinner would allow you to do a fundraising thread if you asked.

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #177)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:00 PM

206. Fund-raising for continuing investigation of, and litigation against, Karl Rove a go!

Thanks, Ellipsis. I followed your suggestion and Skinner said fundraising is not regulated on DU, so we could start a fundraising thread, linked to this one.

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #48)

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 08:49 AM

107. Spoonamore's insights and opinions

Ellipsis, I noticed that you posted a video of EON's interview with Stephen Spoonamore on the right of the DU front page:
"Steven Spoonamore BUSTING the 'Man-in-the-Middle' of Ohio Vote Rigging"

Spoon was a personal friend and colleague of Mike Connell. He is on record, in Craig Unger's book "Boss Rove" and Simon Worrall's book "Cybergate" as believing Mike was assassinated at the direction of Karl Rove.


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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #107)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:32 AM

114. I am aware of Spoonamores friendship with Connell

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I posted it in support of this article as I have again with Spoonamores un-aired interview with by former ABC News Producer Rebecca Abrahams.


on the Patch on "Georgia 2002"(Robgeorgia.zip).... It's not a clock function it's a comparator function.... that's is a huge statement.

Staring @10:12

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #114)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 09:19 AM

119. Request for more help

Could you post this video: http://archive.org/details/ElectionFraudInOhioCourtCase , of our 7/17/08 news conference in which Spoonamore was participating by speakerphone from DC?

When I raise the Borgia's relationship with Rove and the timing of his appointment as Cincy SAC, Spoon discloses that he was with the head of the FBI Cyber Security Unit after the 2004 election, who told him that no one had asked them to get involved. Because Cheryl Eaton of the Hocking County BOE had reported by affidavit and interview with the FBI witnessing Triad changing out a hard drive before the recount, Spoon said there should have been an immediate criminal investigation by FBI Cyber Security. Absent that, Spoon said, there either was no FBI investigation, or what was done was entirely superficial.

Also, on your post of Rebecca Abrahams' interview with Spoon, could you add a link to http://ElectionProtectionAction.org as the place to send financial support for our litigation. There are two contribution buttons there: one for 501(c)(3) tax deductible and one for 501(c)(4) confidential. Velvet Revolution (VR) which bought the tapes from Abrahams and which solicits contributions for our litigation at the end of the interview with Spoon, no longer funds or passes on funds for our litigation.

And, thank you very much for what you have done already to support this thread.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #119)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:09 PM

122. July 17, 2008 News Conference

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Press Conference Ohio Attorney Files to Lift Stay on '04 Election Case

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Response to Deltadoc (Reply #122)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:24 PM

124. Checking

I have emailed the videographer who took it and archived it to find out.

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Response to Deltadoc (Reply #122)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:45 PM

127. YouTube on the way

You tube formatting is in progress now.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #119)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:29 PM

130. On Triad... mentioned in the video, Triad was engaged in developing the OHIO voter database

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...before the election.

If one were to develop a strategy for vote redistribution within the state, TRIAD had inside access to the voter database to place votes in less critical precincts, where totals would be less suspect, (as exposed by Richard Hayes Phillips data analysis) allowing for the hack to remain under radar.

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #130)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:09 AM

133. Switching Democratic votes in Republican Counties

Yes, a large volume of vote switching was accomplished in predominantly Republican Counties where Democratic oversight was weaker.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #119)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:46 PM

131. This is a great thread

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Response to malaise (Reply #131)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 06:52 PM

278. Thanks for helping make it so

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #278)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 06:58 PM

279. Delighted to see it still going

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Response to malaise (Reply #279)

Sat May 11, 2013, 08:12 PM

282. 18,000 views within reach

I think we are going to break 18,000 views within the next day or so! That's without continuing replies since April 12.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #282)

Sat May 11, 2013, 08:15 PM

283. Wow

It's an excellent thread

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #114)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 11:47 AM

121. Spoonamore's bio

Below is the bio, Spoon sent me for the July 17, 2008 news conference in Columbus. Since then he served on the group that wrote President Obama's initial paper on Cyber Security, was principal author of a portion of it. More recently still he is managing as CEO a major new high tech company with patented technology for separating oil from water. His work as an entrepreneur there has been recognized by Ohio Republican Governor John Kasich.

Stephen Spoonamore
Subsequent to the Bio below:
-Recently Sold Cybrinth LLC to a larger IT firm.
-Completed 8 additional systems for Fraud Detection for MasterCard Worldwide.
-Asked to serve on a task force for BENS (Business Executives for National Security) on a stored value card/money laundering task force to support the Pentagon and Law Enforcement to find Terror Finance Vectors worldwide.

BIO
– CEO/Chairman – Cybrinth LLC.
1615 L St. Suite 320
Washington DC 20036

Mr. Spoonamore is a leading innovator of systems involved with compression, digital image management and netcentric operations. In his current role he is working to develop monitoring and policy defense systems for the Global Credit Card, Banking and Insurance industries in the increasingly hostile world of electronic transactions. He has recently given keynote addresses for the World Bank and the AIPAC Banking Risk summits on management of risk in net-centric banking operations. His company has offices in the US, EU and Singapore.

Mr. Spoonamore is an “old hand” in this emerging space. He was involved in developing It security solutions for government agencies and elements of the US Armed Forces and elite banking elements who have been aware of the threats in cyberspace security since the early 1990s. He served on a 1992 task force to develop password methodology for the web. (Yes before that, there were no passwords)

As an Entrepreneur he has founded, or co-founded, eleven previous companies.

The best known of these firms Creative Production Resources Group (sold in
2002) developed television studios, corporate control rooms and technology centers for
numerous clients including GE, GM, ABC/Disney, Viacom, Bloomberg, Lehman
Brothers and the US Army. Under his leadership, the firm was awarded two technical
Emmy Awards (for the Nagano Olympics Studios and Oprah Winfrey Studios).

Some of his innovations in other companies have included systems to trace digital watermarks, tag web sites for crawler updates and use double query systems for computers to check each other for signs of intrusion.

Mr. Spoonamore has received several awards for his contribution to the public sector including: 1995 he was awarded a civilian citation for outstanding contributions to the Defense Department by Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, for developing leadership training tools.

In 2003 he was recognized by Mayor Michael Bloomberg for his work helping expand the NYCTV system.

In 2004 he was thanked by Sec. of Homeland Security Tom Ridge for his work
developing process for the www.ready.gov web site.

He has also served on delegations and task forces for the UN, UNDP and USArmy, and business Trade Missions to Central Europe. Finally he has been called on as an expert witness for
congressional testimony both on the House and Senate sides in the areas of secure communications and risks of IT systems used in communications. He is well respected for his ability to translate complex technical issues into terms and ideas understandable to both Laymen and Politicians.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:26 PM

56. Doesn't make sense

Why would Rove want Connell to take the fall for the theft of the 2004 election, when there has never been proof that it happened at all? Wouldn't Rove want to continue denying that there was any theft?

You had Connell under oath in court and he denied all of your accusations. What proof do you have that in the remaining few weeks of his life he planned to admit to perjury and change his story?

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:57 AM

80. Correct. The whole Smartech thing is a false flag, part of a cover-up of the actual vote-switching.

I can't believe how gullible people are when they want to believe something, or when they might profit from something.

If you know how easy it was to fix elections in Ohio, you don't need a conspiracy theory. Just move a ballot to the next precinct's pile, and a Kerry vote became a Bush vote, changing the outcome by 2 votes pert ballot switched. They are covering up a decade of election thefts, and Cliff isn't doing anything to reveal this truth.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #80)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:03 PM

90. SmarTech's role in managing a complex, multi-year, national vote rigging operation

I am not sure I understand the point you are trying to make. We are addressing the facts of an actual conspiracy for which we have witnesses and evidence--not "conspiracy theory." "Fixing elections in Ohio" is not as simple as moving Kerry ballots to a different precinct in which that ballot position will count as a Bush vote. That technique applied in punch card counties in the 2004 election. We are addressing more than a decade of election thefts, not just in Ohio, but across the nation. SmarTech was the flagship or command central for this operation over the 2000 to at least 2008 time frame, acting under the command of Karl Rove and Jeff Averbeck.

If you are suggesting that many ballots were manually switched and/or altered in the 2004 Ohio election, rather than being electronically altered by SmarTech, you are correct. However, SmarTech is where the overall process-a combination of manual and electronic vote rigging was being managed. Ohio had some electronic voting in 2004. For example, SmarTech programming, rather than a computer glitch, is probably the explanation for the few thousand extra votes on a Gahanna electronic voting machine in Franklin County, OH.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #80)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 06:15 AM

274. SmarTech as repository of Rove's "missing" White House Emails

SmarTech was also the server for Karl Rove's political emails from his power position in the White House. We have reason to believe that those emails which reveal Rove's manipulation of the Pentagon and Justice Department, among other agencies, still reside on servers at SmarTech.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #274)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:03 AM

276. Guess again. They were on the law firm's server.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #276)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:29 AM

277. Thanks for this supplemental information, not inconsistent with email residency at SmarTech also

Thank you for this information. It is not inconsistent with the fact that the SmarTech servers were the original servers for all of the political emails that Rove et al. wanted to keep private and outside the reach of laws preserving White House communications.

Spoonamore has stated that Mike Connell asked him about how such emails could be permanently destroyed. Spoonamore declined to give him that information because, Spoonamore said, it would be illegal to destroy White House emails. We believe Mike Connell, being a law abiding honest professional did not destroy any of these emails, and instead took steps to preserve them even in the event Rove persisted in wanting them to be destroyed.

The specific such emails discussed in the excellent link you provide would have been digitally transferred from SmarTech to the law firm, so that they could then be discovered there without revealing their origin at SmarTech where the entire treasure trove of white House political emails were served and resided.

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:29 PM

88. My sense of it

The Rolling Stone piece, authored by Robert Kennedy, Jr. with brilliant graphics by Rolling Stone editors, is about as clear, plain and authoritative as anyone could make it. None other than the great pollster Lou Harris opined that the theft was "obvious." That article was published in June 2006. All that was missing was an insider fessing up, and it appeared Mike Connell was willing to share inside information.

I think Rove's initial framing of the threat was intended to appear to accept the fact that Connell was already talking to Spoonamore, and had agreed to talk to others (the House Judiciary Cmte. staff). Rove was suggesting Connell take the fall for Ohio 2004 (for a limited hang out) to save Rove and the others involved in the multi-year, multi-state vote rigging operation from being exposed.

I think Jeff Averbeck who was the guy who delivered the message to Connell put it more diplomatically, by saying: "If you spill the beans, you will be the one who ends up being held responsible." So, yes, I think you are correct--they really wanted Connell to keep his mouth shut.

I do not believe Connell lied in his deposition. He was actually quite forthcoming. He testified that he was not responsible for the selection of SmarTech to perform the back-up/mirroring of the election function of the Ohio Secretary of State's office. Then, when he acknowledged that SmarTech may have been, or probably was a subcontractor under his GovTech contract, he stated that they were placed there by others, not by him. He denied being responsible for the security issues created by their partisanship and inside position with respect to the counting of the Ohio votes.

Connell's continued availability as an honest witness to the IT aspects of every important political operation in which Karl Rove was involved was a threat to the survival of that entire operation. He was a Rove security threat, not a national security threat.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #88)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:09 AM

180. For some reason, it sticks in the back of my mind that Connell's wife

knew of or was told of information that was to be made available in the event of her husband's death...that she knew of the death threat. I don't remember if I read that around the time of the accident, or if it was speculation on someone's part here on DU. Maybe both?

Surely, she was questioned.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #180)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:16 PM

182. SimonWorrall's interview: "Cybergate: WasTheWhiteHouseStolenByCyberfraud?"

The British author, Simon Worrall, was originally engaged by the Sunday Times Magazine to write a story about this, after Michael Connell's death. The Magazine version of his story ended up in Maxim Magazine. However, he published his full story in a book available on Kindle called "Cybergate: Was The White House Stolen By Cyberfraud?" Worrall's story of driving to meet with Heather Connell is beautiful and touching. I feel confident that it is an accurate reflection of what she knew about all of this. According to Worrall's telling, she was not aware of any death threats against her husband.

Larissa Alexandrova of Raw Story also wrote about a meeting/confrontation she had with Heather Connell before Michael Connell's death.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #182)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:56 PM

184. Thanks! At least I'm not into dementia.

The other death I was thinking of was Lemme who uncovered a money laundering scheme with the FL DOT. He had also been involved with Yang, a company which "made things possible" during the 2000 election.

As for the death threats, it was the wife of one of these people who were "suicided" or killed in some accident because I remember thinking what an awful situation to always be looking over your shoulder...never knowing if or when. She was to give information to someone he trusted.

Thank you so much for bringing these discussions to DU. They are so intertwined, it boggles the mind. This subject needs a fresh airing and the more who know about it, the better. Our society has such a short attention span.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #184)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:01 AM

189. Reported Ray Lemme related "suicides"

Of course, this could just be a bizarre coincidence. However, two highly accomplished Assistant U.S. Attorneys who were with the same Florida office that had initiated a grand jury investigation that included the reported suicide of Ray Lemme, were reported to have committed suicide within a week of each other. One reportedly hung himself, the other blew his own brains out. This was reported by John Caylor in his Insider Magazine. If these were all strategic political assassinations, one would think the assassination managers would vary the methods among related targets--car accident, sudden illness and suicide, instead of three suicides.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 05:25 AM

63. Thanks

Freaking WOW!!!

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Response to malaise (Reply #63)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 06:43 AM

256. No malaise here

Thanks very much, malaise. Such enthusiasm is especially appreciated from you!

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #256)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 08:14 AM

257. Your work is appreciated

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Response to malaise (Reply #257)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 06:21 PM

261. Thank you!

I greatly appreciate your appreciation!

Thank you, again malaise,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:46 PM

93. My hats off to you sir!

And welcome to DU. It's encouraging to see there are still Americans that care about our "System".

Please, stay out of private planes!

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Response to BobbyBoring (Reply #93)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:31 PM

196. DU-a wonderful forum

Thank you. It's great that DU is here to discuss things that matter-- things that many would just like to ignore.

Cliff

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Response to malaise (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:55 PM

50. How could he be deposed

How could Michael Connell have been deposed one day before the 2012 election. Didn't he die in 2008 just before he was to testify about the 2004 election theft?

Am I reading that correctly?

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Response to brush (Reply #50)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:59 PM

52. no

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Response to malaise (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:35 AM

75. I want to know too. The crash was about a block from my dad's house.

The claims of bad weather are pure bullshit.
He was out in the yard all day then came over to my house for a little while before going back home. He said how warm it was that afternoon and still good when he got home shortly after the crash.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #75)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:54 AM

79. It was very suspicious

Truth will out

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Response to malaise (Reply #79)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:54 PM

83. I hope you are right!

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Response to we can do it (Reply #75)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:33 PM

167. An insider informed the FBI that Mike Connell's plane was professionally sabotaged

Last edited Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:35 PM - Edit history (1)

In September 2009 a redacted after action report was sent to the FBI describing how a Blackwater type team was asked to terminate Mike Connell as a National Security threat. They proceeded to affix a malicious device to the navigation system of Connell's plane where it was parked at the College Park, Maryland airport on December 19, 2008. Former NSA analyst Wayne Madsen took photos of the airport and the entry point and described his interpretation of the cover letter and report, which he said he thought were genuine.

Simon Worrall discussed this in his book "Cybergate." Bob Ney attaches the letter I sent to Attorney General Mukasey concerning threats reportedly made against Connell shortly after our July 17, 2008 press conference. His discussion of Mike Connell, to whom he, as chairman of the House Administration Committee, had awarded government contracts, appears in about the middle of his new book.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #167)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:45 PM

168. Just wow. Thank you very much.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #168)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:56 AM

169. Parallels between 2004 Presidential election theft and 2008 Mike Connell assassination cover-ups

The cover-up of Mike Connell's assassination on December 19, 2008 has parallels to the cover-up of the theft of the 2004 Presidential election.

Two men in military garb at the scene of the crash, identifying themselves as Civil Air Patrol acting on orders from their headquarters in Alabama, were searching the crash scene, they said, for the signaling device emitted from the plane. We think, in fact, they were there there to retrieve the malicious navigation device that the saboteurs had inserted in Mike's plane early that morning at College Park, and Connell's Blackberry.

While the Blackberry contained a lot of very important information, in relation to the assassination we believe it showed the appointment/event that had taken Connell to DC on the evening of the 18th--we believe the annual Christmas Party of the Endowment for Democracy in which Karl Rove played a leadership role.

We also believe that the Doss Aviation or its pilot training subsidiary, both of Enterprise, Alabama, was directing the two men in military garb at the crash scene on December 19. Those entities were owned by Mark Fuller who is also the federal judge who sentenced former Governor Don Siegelman to federal prison in connection with a bogus federal prosecution instigated by Karl Rove.

By the time of Connell's assassination and the disclosure of the after-action-report to the FBI of how it was done, Rove's protege Stanley Borgia was in charge of counter terrorism for the Department of Energy and sitting with the Directors of the CIA and FBI on the President's Advisory Committee on National Intelligence. I believe the words: "There is nothing to it," that were applied to both the theft of the 2004 election and the reported professional assassination of Mike Connell came from him.

All this would have been examined in proper criminal investigations which have not yet been conducted in either case.


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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:05 PM

10. Welcome to DU!

Thank you for this post - and for your work.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:26 PM

250. Thanks

Thanks, RainDog,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:09 PM

11. Much thanks

You are helping to make a difference. That's what true patriots do.
Thanks again

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Response to sobenji (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:54 PM

254. Thank you, sobenji!

Thank you for your very kind words.

We are planning to launch a new website, but in the meantime you can follow developments and contribute, if you like, at ElectionProtectionAction.org

Thanks again,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:10 PM

12. Thank you Cliff! nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:51 PM

197. Toward critical mass to restore democratic rule in the U.S.

Thank you, Steven. I enjoyed reading and watching the material to which you linked in your post. I do not think it would take that much more for us to reach the critical mass necessary to restore democratic rule in the U.S.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:26 PM

15. The Suspicious, Disturbing Death of Election Rigger Michael Connell

by By Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
December 20, 2008

EXCERPT...

Ohio Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell hired Connell in 2004 to create a real-time computer data compilation for counting Ohio’s votes. Under Connell's supervision, Ohio’s presidential vote count was transmitted to private, partisan computer servers owned by SmartTech housed in the basement of the Old Pioneer Bank building in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Connell’s company, New Media Communications worked closely with SmartTech in building Republican and right-wing websites that were hosted on SmartTech servers. Among Connell’s clients were the Republican National Committee, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and gwb43.com, that housed at one point Karl Rove's missing emails. Rove's email files have since mysteriously disappeared despite repeated court-sanctioned attempts to review them.

In 2001, Michael Connell’s GovTech Solutions, LLC was selected to reorganize the Capitol Hill IT network, the only private-sector company to gain permission from HIR to place its server behind the firewall, he bragged.

At 12:20 am on the night of the 2004 election exit polls and initial vote counts showed John Kerry the clear winner of Ohio's presidential campaign. The Buckeye State's 20 electoral votes would have given Kerry the presidency.

But from then until around 2am, the flow of information mysteriously ceased. After that, the vote count shifted dramatically to George W. Bush, ultimately giving him a second term. In the end there was a 6.7 percent diversion---in Bush's favor---between highly professional, nationally funded exit polls and the final official vote count as tabulated by Blackwell and Connell.

Until his death Connell remained the IT supervisor for six Congressional committees. But on the day before the 2008 election, Connell was deposed by attorneys Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis about his actions during the 2004 vote count, and his continued involvement in IT operations for the GOP, including his access to Rove's e-mail files and the circumstances behind their disappearance.

CONTINUED...

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2008/3320

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Response to Octafish (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:53 PM

21. Thank you. That refreshed my memory of that awful night.

I seem to remember instant speculation as to the cause of the crash and have always wondered what actually happened.

I thought at the time that someone got an early Christmas gift, complete with a big, red bow.

Wonder how his wife and kids are doing.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:06 PM

85. Accidents are no stranger to this e-voting thing. Remember Athan Gibbs?

The developer of a straightforward paper-verified e-voting machine, Mr. Gibbs lost his life in an automobile accident:



Black Box Voting

Death of a patriot


By Bob Fitrakis
Senior Editor, The Free Press

March 19, 2004—The subject line on Tuesday’s email read: “Another mysterious accident solves a Bush problem. Athan Gibbs dead, Diebold lives.” The attached news story briefly described the untimely Friday, March 12, death of perhaps America’s most influential advocate of a verified voting paper trail in the era of touch screen computer voting.

Gibbs, an accountant for more than 30 years and the inventor of the TruVote system, died when his vehicle collided with an 18-wheeled truck which rolled his Chevy Blazer several times and forced it over the highway retaining wall where it came to rest on its roof.

Coincidence theorists will simply dismiss the death of Gibbs as a tragic accident..

Gibbs’ death bears heightened scrutiny because of the way he lived his life after the 2000 Florida election debacle. I interviewed Athan Gibbs in January of this year. “I’ve been an accountant, an auditor, for more than 30 years. Electronic voting machines that don’t supply a paper trail go against every principle of accounting and auditing that’s being taught in American business schools,” he insisted.

“These machines are set up to provide paper trails. No business in America would buy a machine that didn’t provide a paper trail to audit and verify its transaction. Now, they want the people to purchase machines that you can’t audit? It’s absurd.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0318-02.htm



Thank you for remembering what it's all about, Frustratedlady. And thank you for standing up to Them.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #85)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:45 PM

185. Just getting caught up on answers to my posts.

No, I never heard of Athan Gibbs, but it appears he "joined" many others...if these all are connected. What a scary situation to be happening in the good, ol' USA and right under our noses. We are too trusting, I guess.

We've often joked that you couldn't make this stuff up. Well, I guess we weren't too far off.

Thanks for your post. Sorry it took so long to return to the original thread. It blows my mind.

I hope this all unravels in my lifetime. We need a lottery on who the main characters are.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #185)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:40 PM

187. Bipartisan consensus on Athan Gibbs' importance to the 21st century election integrity movement

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When Athan Gibbs appeared on Bob Fitrakis' radio show, he also visited the Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell's office. Gibbs made a very favorable impression in both places.

When I brought up Gibbs' verifiable electronic voting machine in a conversation with a former Blackwell employee, and said that Bob thought Gibbs had been assassinated, she, without hesitating, said: "That's what we thought too." Both Blackwell and Gibbs, and this former Blackwell senior staffer were African-Americans.

The importance of Athan Gibbs to the election integrity issue for 21st century America (North and South) is illustrated by the fact of my colleague, Professor Bob Fitrakis' dedication, as primary author, to Athan Gibbs of the primary authoritative text on "What Happened in Ohio" in respect to the 2004 Presidential election. Gibbs teaches us that the problem is not electronic voting machines, but rather the design and use of electronic voting machines without a proper and customary audit protocol.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #187)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:02 AM

190. I was not aware of this, at all, and appreciate your sharing of information.

We all have a great deal of interest in what happens in regard to electronic voting, mysterious deaths and the vast web of deceit that seems to envelop us all.

Please don't leave us out of the loop. Visit often. This has been such an interesting thread. I'm sure we all will be eagerly awaiting the next discussion in what I hope will be a long series of discoveries and, ultimately, solutions.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #190)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:00 AM

191. "Nothing personal--just business," are organized crime killings

Thank you so much. Strategic assassinations are just part of the business we are investigating/litigating. That's one of the essential points of ABC TV's SCANDAL series. There are many more that no one has even dared to suggest were assassinations--"just business" as they said in The Godfather--both the murders and their cover-up.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:34 PM

219. Mike Connell was knowledgeable and honest--a real problem for Kove.

Thanks for posting this article by my colleagues Bob and Harvey.

I just want to note my difference with the article's title, characterizing Mike Connell as an "election rigger."

I knew Mike Connell, mainly through his friend and colleague Stephen Spoonamore. Spoonamore did not view Connell that way. Furthermore, the more I reflected upon my two meetings/face-to-face conversations with Mike Connell, the more respect I gained for his integrity, decency and candor. I told Mike of the extraordinarily complementary characterizations Spoonamore had made of him to us, and how I looked at the deposition of him we wanted to take as a continuation of the conversations he had been having with Stephen Spoonamore.

As we parted the federal court house in Cleveland on Friday, after the Chief Judge Solomon Oliver ordered the deposition to go forward the next business day, Mike said he was looking forward to seeing us the next Monday. Warmth, humility, honesty --all the things that I am sure made Mike Connell a good husband, father, church member, IT professional, made him a phenomenal witness. The loss of his life is a great tragedy, for us all.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #219)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:04 PM

220. Mr. Connell was an honest broker. Thank you for making that clear, Cliff Arnebeck.

I have long respected Harvey Wasserman and Bob Fitrakis. I first heard of Bob while I attended Wayne State University many years ago.

In using the article's original title, I wanted to reinforce the central image of Karl Rove the election rigger. I failed to mention that Mr. Connell had come forward and wanted to tell the truth. At the time, his death was a real shock to people who had followed the story of the Ohio voting. Please see post number 4, especially.

As with the plane crashes that claimed the lives of Paul Wellstone, Mel Carnahan, John F. Kennedy, Jr., Mr. Connell's loss changed history. Those who didn't want him to testify must be legion, going by the lack of coverage afforded the story by the corporate/government news media. Of course, what coverage there has mainly served to supply plausible deniability and cast doubt on the integrity of those who care enough to raise the questions in public, as Robert F. Kennedy, Jr..

The Ohio plane crash is another coincidence in the long line of coincidences that have served to benefit the gang I call the BFEE, Bush Family Evil Empire, the knights errant of the War Party. I am sure you know the litany of the Merchants of Death: They have done all they could to serve the nation's wealthiest and their secret government, from at least World War I, where they made money by selling arms to both sides, to the period before the Second World War where they helped finance Hitler and the NAZI reconstruction.

Since then, I've seen them do their thing from profiting off the Cold War from Guatemala to Iran and Cuba and on to Dallas, from that horrible day to Vietnam to Watergate to October Surprise to Iran Contra to the Savings and Loan scams to BCCI to Iran Contra to September 11 to the Great Bank Bailout and Operation Enduring Qualitative Easing. In all that, one family name in particular pops up in each instance: Bush.

Some who have stood up to the BFEE include Danny Casolaro, who coined the term "The Octopus" to describe what he uncovered while investing Inslaw/PROMIS; Jim Hatfield, author of "Fortunate Son" bio of George W Bush; Mark Lombardi, the artist who created social network diagrams that plotted the conspiratorial connections between people and organizations; and Gary Webb, the Pulitzer winning journalist who made the mistake of telling the truth about the Contra-CIA-cocaine connection.

In them I stand in awe. For all I can do is chronicle things, the best I can, anonymously (apart from ECHELON and STELLAR WIND and whatever Adm. Poindexter has in the can). I fear for my family, to be honest, thanks to my good friends on DU who remind me often. If I can be of service, please let me know and I will do what I can.

Thank you and thanks to your friends and colleagues who have stood up to the War Party in public. Thanks for all you do and all you have helped accomplish. Thanks also for opposing these election stealing, mass murdering, warmongers. You are the bravest of the brave. You are the true heroes of Democracy.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #220)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:53 AM

221. The Criminal Enterprise that serves as the base for Karl Rove's serial election rigging

Spoonamore had told me and others that the people we were dealing with on the election rigging "whacked people." This may have been before our July 17, 2008 news conference, but was definitely before Mike Connell got whacked.

In early 2009 I contacted Wayne Madsen to inquire about Enterprise, Alabama, which the anonymous informant from the McCain campaign had told us back in July 2008 was the base for Rove's election stealing operation. Madsen shared a lot of intelligence on Doss Aviation, run by Mark Fuller out of Enterprise, but told me to contact investigative reporter John Caylor, son of the former Chief of Police of Enterprise, for more information.

Eventually I debriefed with Caylor in Columbus for two weeks to learn about "the Enterprise" that you allude to by various names in your post. Nazis, KKK and retired military coalesced into the most murderous, technologically advanced and profitable organized crime operation in the U.S. It is not clear to me whether the Iran-Contra folks acquired the drug operation of the Enterprise, or they operated in partnership. However, it is clear to me that the Enterprise, and specifically Billy Grice (former head of logistics at the adjacent Fort Rucker) orchestrated the assassination of Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals Presiding Judge Robert Vance, for the purpose of shutting down Danny Sheehan's Christic Institute RICO case against the Iran-Contra conspirators. That same year (1989) Grice also orchestrated the the assassination of the entire audit committee of the Southern Company that was investigating missing spent fuel from their nuclear reactors that had been sold by the Enterprise to Iran.

I don't think you have to fear for your family because of your knowledge of this. I think ABC TV's SCANDAL is bringing to light the scandalous prevalence of political assassinations in the U.S. and it will shock the conscience of the American public. Isn't it ironic that they could secretly assassinate JFK, MLK and RFK and then get exposed by a cutting edge, courageous TV series almost 50 years later?

I appreciate and accept your offer of assistance.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #221)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:14 PM

228. Danny Sheehan and the Christic Institute stood up to War Inc.

I heard him speak on a UAW cable tee vee show in the late 80s about the bombing at La Penca. The scales fell from my eyes and I was certain the whole kitenkaboodle was heading to the federal penitentiary. Instead, Ed Meese and the just-us department got the case tossed and broke the Christic Institute at the bank; kept Poppy's name out of it; and demonstrated the corrupt nature of the national security state, something which becomes more visible with each passing day.

Hence, also, my appreciation for Wayne Madsen. The guy also is among those who give a damn and don't care what anybody else thinks. He once was a DUer, but got the ziggy because people who investigate and write what they find sometimes write something that is wrong, or worse, does not fit the paradigm.

Need to give you a heads-up regarding ABC and television news in general. As a former employee of two of the old Big Three nutworks, they have a habit of going gung-ho into an investigation. Getting everyone out of hiding and on the record. Then editing the heck out of the footgage to produce the program that gets broadcast, which leaves out more of the good parts than not. Which is the point.

Sorry about all the links, they're for "hiss-store-EE" as Warden Hazen liked to put it. If you get a moment:

Three Things Every American Should Know About Corporate McPravda

The first thing is most immediately relevant: ABC and the Rise of Rush Limbaugh.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #228)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 08:25 PM

230. Is "Scandal" setting up Rove to take the fall for 2004 Presidential election theft in Ohio?

Thanks, Octafish.

It's a small world after all. Carl Bernstein was my high school classmate at Montgomery Blair in Silver Spring, Maryland. Danny Sheehan was in my first year section and class at Harvard Law. Caylor had investigated the assassination of Federal Appeals Judge Robert Vance, but did not know the motive for the assassination, until I told him of my conversation with Danny Sheehan in which Danny told me that assassination was how he lost his appeal of a plainly erroneous District Court RICO decision in Miami.

I had experience with corporate network censorship of the political/legal news--again guided by the skillful hand of Carl Rove from the White House. It involved our successful litigation in Ohio against the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's "War on Judges," (so described on the cover of Forbes Magazine).

Are you suggesting, by directing me to the excellent piece on ABC/Capital Cities, that "Scandal" may be setting up Karl Rove to take the fall for the theft of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio, in a limited hang out designed to protect the Mark Fuller et al. Enterprise and the multi-year, multi-state, systemic red shifting of our elections--most importantly the 2010 election that fraudulently empowered Republicans in Congress and the states? They are telling only a part of the truth--not the whole truth. I was interpreting it as the exercise of dramatic license, for simplification and general comprehensibility, rather than an intelligence fix.

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Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:29 PM

16. Yay! I am so glad you are here!

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Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:00 PM

198. Community

I really appreciate your warm welcome, babs. This is a nice community to be a part of.

cliff

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Sat Apr 6, 2013, 02:38 AM

231. Thanks

Thank you, babs.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:43 PM

19. Great to have you onboard, Cliff.

I appreciate the work you've been doing, protecting our voting system. I will never believe that Bush?Cheney won a 2nd term legitimately...it's non-sensical to believe this country would award them with a 2nd term, given what they "accomplished" from 2000-2004.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:00 AM

176. How Rove prolonged the Iraq war to serve as reelection prop and election theft cover-up strategy

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Thanks for making me feel at home here.

I think Karl Rove abused his policy position in the White House to prolong the Iraq war. Had we simply toppled Saddam Hussein, an admitted Stalinist, and left the Iraqi army and civil service alone, as our military wanted to do, G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney would not have looked as bad. There were some pretty savvy people at the time who believed that Saddam was a menace who had to be dealt with. I believe it was Rove who was behind the dismissal of the Iraqi army and the debathification of the Iraqi civil service, which created a power vacuum, an insurgency and a long war of occupation. Perhaps Rove's missing Emails would reveal this to be the case.

For Rove it was a way to have G.W. Bush running for reelection as a "war-time President;" and a basis for telling John Kerry, the Democratic Party, the FBI and our nation's investigative press corps that they could not attack the integrity of the President and Commander in Chief at a time of war.

Rove went way off track in favor of "giving business everything they want" (fascism) in 2000, out of desperation to defeat John McCain, whose "Straight-talk Express" campaign was being managed by John Weaver, Rove's nemesis. McCain beat Bush badly in the New Hampshire Primary. Rove offered Tom Donohue, then President of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a blank check to assure his unqualified support for George W. Bush in the 2000 Republican primary and general election.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #176)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:06 AM

193. Call me crazy, but...it costs a lot of money to rig a national election.

Luckily, we have financial laws that provide some sunshine on groups trying to buy elections by "following the money".

But what if you had 100's of millions, maybe billions of untraceable, legit US cash that you could funnel back into the 2004 elections?

We sent billions of unaccountable USD, strapped to pallets, that was "given" to ordinary Iraqis to "stimulate" their economy....why not do this through international banking channels to convert to dinars, which would have been far more useful to these local economies? And, IIRC, the CPA was strictly a Republican operation, employing a mix of Party hacks, young zealots, and Republican interns.

Funny how that story went down the rabbit hole....because we all know how fiscally responsible and conservative Republicans are....

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #193)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:14 PM

194. Cash payoffs in Iraq as possible source of funding for election rigging

I had not thought of this, nor heard it suggested before. Nor have I been reliably informed by insiders as to the exact source of the money. We do have authoritative information on some of the professional contractors on the job, whose payments were not reported on any campaign expenditure reports. The work was illegal and the payments for the work were illegal. So, you may be right.

Still, if Rove prolonged the Iraq War without the knowledge of President Bush, he might also have employed this covert method of funding the 2004 election rigging operation, without the knowledge or approval of President Bush.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #193)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:58 PM

252. They are very clever at siphoning the Treasury.

I wouldn't put anything past these ghouls.

Excellent thread.

K&R

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #252)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:38 PM

259. ElectionProtectionAction.org for info and contribution vehicles to counter ghouls

Thanks, CrispyQ.

Please visit ElectionProtectionAction.org for more information and to contribute whatever you want to help put these ghouls back in their place.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #259)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:56 PM

260. Just sent a couple of bucks your way.

Wish it could be more!

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #260)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:48 PM

263. Yes!

That seems to have been found to be one of the best forms of fundraising, and I really appreciate it.

Thank you,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:46 PM

20. K & R

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Response to AzDar (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:06 PM

195. Thanks and invitation to visit ElectionProtectionAction.org

Thank you. Please visit ElectionProtectionAction.org for more information and to make any contribution there that you can.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:58 PM

22. Welcome to DU! n/t

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Sat Apr 6, 2013, 10:56 PM

241. Thanks for the welcome, pnwmom

Thanks, it's nice to be here.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:03 PM

23. Very Very Kicked and Recommended

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:40 PM

203. Thanks & please visit ElectionProtectionAction.org

Thanks, very very much, Andy!

I invite you to visit ElectionProtectionAction.org

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:15 PM

25. US Citizens, tax payers, rich or poor, better snap out of it...

... because there really are powerful interests that want to destroy all and any rights they have to mold, or elect government officials to represent them in our government. People like Rove are just role players for an elite that wants total control over this country... I could care less if you are right wing or left wing, but you all are losing your democratic rights to dictate how your government operates. This country, and it's strife for democracy is at an end... wake the fuck up, because whether you have money or not, whether you work three jobs of collect dividends sitting by a pool while sipping on the finest booze, your assets mean shit and will end in a blink of an eye.

Rove and company mean to do that. Now it's just a matter of finding out who really is behind the Rove's of this country of ours, because they are the true enemies of this nation. They do NOT play by the rules, the forfeit their rights to have any say in this country, but nobody is doing shit about it, because "they get theirs", and that selfish shit is just a numbing drug to hide from a sick and devastating reality that they will lose their own country to psychopaths and sociopaths. Enjoy your martinis.

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:45 PM

125. Rove is not going to be so useful anymore

He will be kicked to the curb with a golden airbag. But getting him to lead us to the people behind his machinations is unrealistic. He may have a good idea or he may even know, but he will never talk.

Just the fact that Rove needed to steal the 2004 election and attempted to steal following elections means that people are paying attention. These failed attempts also give us more information to build our defenses.

I believe the organization of this current quest for total power is similar to how the Nazis structured their attempted takeover. Each person knows their part, knowing what is in it for them, as you say, but very few know the true nature of the goal.

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Response to siligut (Reply #125)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:02 PM

126. The critical importance of deposing Karl Rove

Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2013, 09:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Rove and his very fine counsel understand the importance to us--to any case that would shut the serial vote rigging down--of getting Rove to testify under oath. When we successfully served Rove with a deposition subpoena in October 2010, Bob Luskin filed a hundred or so pages in support of his motion to quash. This included an affidavit of Karl Rove saying he never worked in Ohio on any elections, plus some questions we might ask him might violate executive privilege that applied in 2004 when he served in the White House.

Rove can lie and subject himself to perjury charges. Rove can take the Fifth, from which adverse inferences can be drawn by a jury in a civil RICO case. Or, he can come clean and redeem himself for the sake of democracy and civilization.

The most incredible thing to me is that, with two criminal investigations of Rove by special prosecutors under President Bush and a U.S. House Judiciary subpoena, Rove has never been asked under oath about his naughty habit of red shifting votes, even to the point of stealing two Presidential elections. And, by the way, Mr. Rove, "Did you steal votes across the board in the 2010 elections to seize control of the reapportionment process and Congressional and state legislative control for the rest of the decade?"

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #126)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:40 PM

128. Yes, the vote rigging must be stopped

It is imperative for the sake of our country. My comment to fascisthunter had to do with determining who the people are behind Karl Rove's activities.

You and your work are threat to those people, as you have managed to bypass so many obstacles and remain steadfast in your goal. Thank you and godspeed.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:19 PM

26. I was there Cliff .... I saw "it" w/my own eyes and heard "it" w/my own ears

Last edited Sun Mar 24, 2013, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)

those exit polls were not wrong ..... end of story

BTW Cliff,

Please tell DU about the warnings you gave Michael Connell about flying,
his death threats, and smartech.

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Response to Botany (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:36 AM

188. Scientific exit polls detect fraud

Bob Fitrakis cautioned Mike Connell about flying at his November 2008 deposition. It was a friendly interaction between us and him and his counsel.

I have described the threats and role of SmarTech elsewhere in my posts to this thread.

Thank you for underscoring the correctness and importance of scientific exit polls!

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:29 PM

29. Thanks, Cliff Arnebeck! New poster.

Thanks for all you've done.

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Response to elleng (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:02 PM

199. Thank you

Thanks for welcoming me, ellen.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #199)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:09 PM

200. Great to see you, and good you're back.

Happy to help with any litigation you've got.

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Response to elleng (Reply #200)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 05:13 PM

217. Our need for working capital to fund full scale anti-fraud litigation

We're in state court now in a case that could be expanded. We are now in a position to adequately staff it for full scale litigation, if we can raise a modest amount of working capital. Traditional Democratic and progressive funding sources have been threatened with loss of their funding if they fund us. So, our main obstacle to dynamite litigation now is funding. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #217)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 05:19 PM

218. Will do what I can, Cliff.

Awaiting distribution of an estate. Won't be huge, but would like to help; have wanted to help you ever since . . . .

You may want to post about your need here, on DU; some will likely help. If you would prefer, I'll post for you and suggest DUers contact you through DU private mail, unless you have an 'address' you can share.

EDIT: FYI, you can go to your 'inbox', upper right of the page, plug in DUer's 'handles,' to reach us individually.

Best

E

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:44 PM

30. K&R - thanks for your work and welcome to DU. n/t

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:18 PM

210. Thanks to Ms. Liberty

Thank you very much for your kind words and welcome.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:48 PM

32. coverup

This again goes to highest office in the country, both bush & cheney new about and at some point were involved. How does rove continually get away with this treasonous shit?

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Response to mtasselin (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:29 PM

211. G.W. Bush's disciplinary actions against Karl Rove's perfidy

Not continually, G.W. Bush fired Rove in 2007 after Jill Simpson exposed Rove's instigation of the prosecution of Alabama Governor Don Siegelman. Then, G.W. Bush's Justice Department launched two special prosecutors to investigate Rove's role in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame and the firing of one or more U.S. Attorneys for partisan political reasons.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:51 PM

36. Welcome to DU. And thank you...

...for your work.

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:51 PM

213. Thanks to YvonneCa

Thank you kindly, Yvonne.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:59 PM

38. Just when you think you're out they drag you back in.... Eh Mr Rove?

Thanks for the update Cliff.


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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:20 PM

44. Thank you, Cliff,

for fighting for the truth.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #44)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:53 PM

214. Thanks to Beatle

Thank you for your support, Beatle,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:30 PM

45. K&R

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:39 PM

47. Is it really YOU???

OMG!! My hero!! (I need a swoon and faint smilie.)

Seriously, Mr. Arnebeck, thank you for all you have done and continue to do. It was the rigged 2004 election that first brought me to DU. I was desperate...searching...for someone to confirm what I knew in my gut. That the election had been stolen. Over the next few months and years, I followed everything you did. Thank you so much. It was a magnificent sight to see during this last election, as Karl Rove sputtered and spewed all over the FOX News set.

Oh! And welcome to DU!

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Response to FourScore (Reply #47)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:46 AM

78. me too..locked media and we had no place to vent or share info other than du after that election

we followed your every move here and shared and hoped, thanks for never giving up Mr Arnebeck.

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Response to FourScore (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 02:49 AM

233. Thanks to FourScore

You really know how to make someone feel appreciated and welcome.

Thank you,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:58 PM

51. Welcome to DU...

K&R

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:08 PM

53. Time to "look back" yet?

Never.

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #53)

Mon Apr 29, 2013, 04:13 AM

281. Yes, at Rove, where looking back could produce a fruitful criminal prosecution

The occasion of the opening of the G.W. Bush library prompted many to look back at his Presidency. We should be looking back at the person most responsible for the wrongs of that Presidency and who, though fired by Bush, came back to political prominence and continued destructiveness toward American elections and society. That person is Karl Rove.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:17 PM

54. Thank you for your tireless work on behalf of Ohio voters.

You and DU kept me sane in the aftermath of the 2004 election theft.

We all owe you a debt of gratitude for your tireless efforts. THANK YOU.

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Response to Doremus (Reply #54)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 03:19 AM

234. Thanks

Thank you, Doremus,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:19 PM

55. Kick and Rec

Thank God for the honest men of this world.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:02 AM

57. Thank you Mr. Arnebeck.

We need people like you to keep the heat on. Please stay safe.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #57)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 08:47 PM

240. For advice to keep heat on and stay safe

Thank you, defacto,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:09 AM

58. K&R

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:13 AM

59. wow! kick and recommend!

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:15 AM

60. Welcome to DU Cliff Arnebeck!

K&R

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:22 AM

61. Thanks Mr. Arnebeck. Welcome to DU.

What can we best do to get the legal and politcal systems on track where they work for the good of the People and the Planet?

Why is ABC offering entertainment when there should be severe prosecution for crimes against society by our system?

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #61)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 08:05 AM

67. How to clean up government(s)

How to Clean Up Government(s):

1. Require structured campaigns. Campaigns will consist of
- a specified minimum number of broadcasted debates among all reasonably viable candidates
- equal numbers of interviews by professional media personnel
- biographical information or resume provided by the candidate and checked for accuracy by the media, no random reports disguised as news will be permitted

2. If any primary media entity (TV, radio, newspaper, magazine) accepts an ad for one candidate, the ad may not be run until that media entity has ad buys for equal time from all reasonably viable opponents. All ads will be charged at equal rates.

3. Media entities that do not follow the rules will have their license suspended for a minimum of one year. This applies to all relevant prinicpals not just the name of the media entity.

4. No effort can or should be made to control Internet communications.

Structured campaigns is more protective of free speech than more money equals more time. This neutralizes big money. Get the money out to get much more honest representation of voters.

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Response to Maineman (Reply #67)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:46 PM

86. Thanks. Interesting and creative framework of thought.. nt

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:35 AM

62. K & R x 1,000! And welcome to DU, Cliff Arnebeck x 1,000!

When are our people going to wake up to the MASSIVE FRAUD--indeed, to the FASCIST JUNTA--that has occurred with the PRIVATIZATION of our vote counting systems? It is the scandal of the Ages!

And you, dear sir, are among the greatest of American heroes, for your courageous and unstinting efforts to expose this e-voting Junta for what it is!

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #62)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 12:10 PM

238. People awakening to fascist election fraud

Thanks, Peace Patriot. Rigging elections is how scoundrels make their own reality.

I commented today on your post in regard to General/DCI Petraeus in connection with the OpSec attack ad against President Obama.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:28 AM

64. K&R

welcome.

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Response to Kurovski (Reply #64)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 05:18 PM

247. Request for help with http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022628229

Thank you for welcoming me to DU.

I am told that your recommendation is the key to getting many others on DU, and that yours here was a major factor in my thread getting the many thousands of views that it has gotten over the last two weeks. So, thank you a lot!

In response to a comment about Adelson's role in the 2012 election, I replied along the lines of the need to crack down on organized crime. I then thought that appropriate for a new thread which I started at around midnight last night. I would greatly appreciate your consideration of it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022628229

It currently has 32 DU recommendations and 429 views.

Thanks for any help or suggestions you feel inclined to give.

Cliff Arnebeck

The new thread:

Title: We need to crack down on 21st century globally organized crime


Text:
21st century election theft opened the door to the theft of peoples' inheritance from the New Deal. Through a combination of stolen/tilted elections, political assassinations, and corrupt financial generosity across the political spectrum, thieves have had their way with our laws, our treasury and our economy. They have taken control of our courts, our Congress and many of our state capitols.

We need to resurrect, revive, and reinvigorate our anti-trust (including the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933) and anti-organized crime laws and vigorously apply them against the 21st century global corporate cabal that seeks to enshrine predatory capitalism and casino capitalism as the new world order.

Predatory Casino Capitalism is not the promised land Martin Luther King, Jr. forty-five years ago prophesied we would get to within the generation of those listening to him in Memphis, Tennessee the night before he was assassinated.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:56 AM

65. ::Smile::

Thanks for being here!

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 07:02 AM

66. Is that a quote?

 

Link?

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Response to britaphilter (Reply #66)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 09:36 AM

69. Guess you don't know Mr. Arnebeck is quoting himself.

First-person eyewitnesses usually can get away with doing that.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 08:38 AM

68. For those looking for a source

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Response to drm604 (Reply #68)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 05:48 PM

97. Video of our July 17, 2008 News Conference: announced intention to sue Karl Rove under Ohio RICO

Thanks, I was not aware of this transcript. Here is the link to the video of this news conference:

http://www.archive.org/details/ElectionFraudInOhioCourtCase

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #97)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:55 PM

102. I'm always happy to help in this particular fight.

I have a comp sci degree and have worked as a developer for a long time, and I do not trust these machines.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 10:08 AM

71. Another K and R

Thank you for all you do and welcome to DU Mr. Arnebeck.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 10:11 AM

72. IMO the rethug insiders that cannot just be fired when a new President takes over are a real problem

in most government departments.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 10:19 AM

73. Riggy Riggy Riggy goes the Piggy...

One wonders if Karl's get-out-of-jail-free card has an expiration date...

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:29 AM

74. kick

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:05 PM

84. First time posting at DU in the past year ...

... but seeing you here made it imperative that I thank you for your continued efforts for small "d" democracy.

We could sure use the help of Anonymous or anyone else down here in Tennessee, the only state to repeal its trustworthy elections legislation when Republicans took control of our legislature after the 2008 (s)elections, the last election that was supposed to occur using DREs here. One thing's for sure -- Tennessee Republicans know where their real mandate lies.

Keep up the good work, Cliff.

Bernie Ellis
(Fly by night)

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Response to Fly by night (Reply #84)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:34 PM

89. Excellent point, Fly.

If only there were an Anonymous back then, but, corpmedia STILL would have ignored it. Remember, Bush promised media owners that in his second term the FCC would do away with laws limiting their ownership and allow the further expansion of their media empires

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Response to Fly by night (Reply #84)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:10 PM

136. Thanks to you, Bernie, a top leader in the pro-democracy movement in the U.S.!

Thank you, Bernie. I'll never forget the national conference you convened and chaired in Nashville, that brought so many of us together on this. Nor, your sacrifice for doing so--being targeted by "law enforcement" who were, no doubt, directed by Karl Rove.

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Response to Fly by night (Reply #84)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:36 PM

141. Mr Cool.

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Response to Fly by night (Reply #84)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:21 AM

207. That is the truth

You too keep up the good work.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:05 PM

91. I wish I could Kick and recommend 100 times....

Great work. Just wish someone would do something about it.

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Response to onecent (Reply #91)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:41 PM

92. Thank you. We are back in court and ready to go all the way.

Of course, the OSOS and OAG want to dismiss our case and block discovery in Fitrakis v. OSOS in the Franklin County, Ohio Common Pleas Court.

We have told the judge that ABC television is now covering Presidential election theft in Ohio, and it behooves Ohio lawyers, judges and journalists to do our part.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 04:53 PM

94. Men with MONEY, like ADELSON-he wanted Romney to beat Obama to get rid of the DOJ investigation

After all, Adelson is unde investigation for violations of the AMERICAN FOREIGN CORRUPT Practices Act with his building of the Casino in CHINA. He really wanted Obama to lose. Althoug, have to wonder his concern. The DOJ under current leadership has not been to effective.

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Response to CarmanK (Reply #94)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 11:26 PM

242. We need to crack down on 21st century globally organized crime

21st century election theft opened the door to the theft of peoples' inheritance from the New Deal. Through a combination of political assassinations, stolen/tilted elections and corrupt financial generosity across the political spectrum, thieves have had their way with our laws, our treasury and our economy. They have taken control of our courts, our Congress and many of our state capitols.

All we need to do is revive, reinvigorate and resurrect our anti-trust and anti-organized crime laws and vigorously apply them against the 21st century global corporate cabal that seeks to enshrine predatory capitalism and casino capitalism as the new world order.

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Response to CarmanK (Reply #94)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:43 AM

243. Restore law and order: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022628229

Carman, I have started a new thread based substantially on my previous belated reply to your provocative response to this thread.

Here is the link to the new thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022628229

Thanks for inspiring me!

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 05:52 PM

98. This is exciting. I hope the rule of law is applied. And why isn't this still on the Greatest page.

Why was this thread taken down so fast? It is too important to just pull.

We have waited patiently for a long time. And this is extremely important. The nation must find a cure for it's misrepresentation of votes.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #98)

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 04:44 AM

105. Great run for a 24 hour "Greatest thread" cycle

I am new to this, however, the heading for "greatest threads" indicates that there is a limit for listing there beyond 24 hours from the time of the original post.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #105)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:02 AM

116. It's always a successful thread when Kurovski checks in

He's sorta the DU version of Kilroy... (ducks)

Views are more important then recs and you are getting tons of eyeballs, even with some of the "saber rattling" aspects of a couple of your comments.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:13 PM

99. Thank you for all your hard work on this issue. I have heard that you made great sacrifices

to keep this case alive and I, for one, am very grateful. Thanks Cliff

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Response to truckin (Reply #99)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:14 PM

216. Let's keep on truckin. We can beat these bastards if we do.

Thank you, truckin.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:16 PM

100. Eric Holder knows what you know, and he is ON THE CASE.

Or not. I'm cool either way. Maybe Rove is just too big to prosecute?

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Response to Dr Fate (Reply #100)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:57 PM

215. The shielding of Rove by major funders on the left

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Rove is shielded by major funders to the left, that make clear they do not want their money being used to attack Rovian Republican fraud. There is also the revolving door problem, as where Lanny Breuer reportedly leaves DOJ to return to a major law firm that defends/protects major corporate crooks.

However, I am confident that conspicuousness of the fraud will compel prosecutions of 21st century global corporate organized crime.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 06:55 AM

106. If democracy is ever restored to America, you will be one of the heros....

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your work.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Reply #106)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:36 PM

212. Sincere thanks

Thank you for your very kind words.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 11:13 AM

108. The facts:

Clermont County is 70% red with only 1.6% of Ohio voters

2000 29.96% dem
2004 28.76% dem

Do the math!

If you want to know who and how Ohio 2004 was stolen, look to the statistics, not the spin doctors.

http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio_spreadsheets.html

Ohio 2004 Presidential Election Canvass - Voting by Counties
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/xls/ohio_vote_county.xls

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #108)

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 03:49 PM

109. The question I raised was: how they got away with it

Last edited Tue Mar 26, 2013, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Vote rigging in the Ohio 2004 Presidential election took place in all of Ohio's 88 counties.

There was flagrant vote switching in Clermont, Butler and Warren Counties (around Hamilton County where the Cincinnati FBI resides), which were among the dirty dozen where Kerry, according to the officially reported results, under-performed the rest of the Democratic ticket. We called this the Connally Anomaly in honor of the underfunded Democratic candidate for Chief Justice (running against the incumbent Republican Chief Justice) who was officially reported to have received a greater number of votes than John Kerry in those counties. There was a phony election-night Homeland Security alert in Warren County to cover for the diversion of all ballots to an auxiliary building where ballots were shuffled among precincts so as to achieve the desired change in the Presidential vote. Roughly one half the total vote switching in the 2004 Ohio election occurred in those twelve counties.

The Free Press and our Supreme Court case documented the vote count switching that went on in Cuyahoga county, following a professionally developed algorithm along the lines that Mr. Jacobs discerned in his statistical analysis of the results and RH Phillips described in his writings in the Free Press, deposition testimony in our case, and "Witness to a Crime." Moving the ballots between precincts was not done ad hoc, county-by-county, but by a statewide scheme worked out at SmarTech. It was manually implemented county-by-county, which is why we had Phillips create a digital archive of those ballots and accompanying county poll records.

In every county using punch card ballots there were under-votes and/or over-votes resulting in lost votes for President because of manipulation of the chads of the vote card stock. We believe this may be one of the primary reasons the perpetrators of the 2004 vote rigging scheme were so eager and so persistent in wanting to destroy all of the 2004 Ohio ballots.

My focus upon Clermont County was because FBI agents were there-where the ballots were stored and had been manipulated and counted on election night 2004-before their investigation was terminated with an official letter stating that no evidence of any federal crimes had been found. It's a simple hard fact, not a spin. It is hard evidence that Mr. Rove used his position of influence to fix the FBI investigation of the 2004 Ohio Presidential election theft.

As statistical evidence that this problem is systemic, multi-state, and multi-year may I refer you to:

http://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/election-fraud-an-introduction-to-exit-poll-probability-analysis/

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 06:25 PM

110. I didn't see this until it had expired but please let me say that I will

always be grateful to you and what you have done to help the truth get out, and to bring these criminals to justice. I just hope that justice really happens in my lifetime.

There is no issue in my lifetime that so motivated me to try to do something about it... so early on, as the president of a tiny computer services company in N. Florida... I started sending out emails to everyone I knew, warning them about what a terrible idea computer voting is... and especially with no paper trail. I wrote to every news reporter that I could find, and to every so called computer expert who would "talk" to me.

Then my husband and I watched the OHIO returns for the first BushCo election, and were stunned to see in the space of two seconds that the numbers SWITCHED from Kerry who was well in the lead, to Bush who started getting those numbers instead. I fell out of my chair and must have started kicking the furniture because my foot was bruised the next day.

Shortly after the Help America Vote Act passed, which was geared towards the disabled, Diebold gave the National Federation of the Blind a million $ donation. NFB director Jim Dickson filed lawsuits in several states to insure that computerized voting was kept in place. I did a lot of battle with Dickson. I insisted that only ONE machine for the blind needed to be available at voting sites, and that it need not be computerized.

Some of the people we worked with to change the way voting is conducted are as follows (although, much to my dismay, those affiliated with computer science departments fudged on the most important stipulations at the last moment. I think it may have had something to do with funding of their departments:

Rebecca Mercuri of Notable Software; Chuck Herrin; Brandon Adams; D. Wallach of Rice University; Dr. David Dill of Stanford; Peter G. Neuman of csl.sri.com; Avi Rubin from cs.jhu.edu; Barbara Simons of ACM; Robert Kibrick of Verifiable Voting.org;Kim Alexander, President of the California Voter Foundation; Wayne Madsen (formerly with the NSA and an expert on computer security issues); Mike Hout from Berkeley; Beverly Harris of Black Box Voting; Jeff Fisher who was running for Congress; Bridget Leininger with the Democratic Party of Arizona; Susan Marie Weber who helped with California voting machine issues; David Dudine, an Indiana activist; Russell Michaels of bathtimefilms; Attorney Alma Gonzalez; Ohio Senator Teresa Fedor via her assistant Greg Lestini; Lynn Landes, an online reporter; Clinton Curtis, who ran for the FL senate and lost (he said former FL Hse speaker Tom Feeney tried to get him to write software that could "switch the vote"; Kathy Dopp, statistician; the entire team from the computer firm AVANTE (that makes machines with paper trails); and countless reporters all over the country.

I even tried repeatedly to get in touch with Bill Moyers through his intermediary Rick Byrne, when he was one of the producers of NOW WITH BILL MOYERS.

Wayne Madsen, who writes the MADSEN REPORT, and is a computer security expert, was very helpful digging up the dirt. He wrote an investigative piece that blew me away. I’ve sent him an email asking permission to reprint the one story that is copied at only the first 20% below, because he has not answered in the past couple of hours.

Too bad there's no active link.... I can't post the jpg URL to the pic of GWB practically hugging Tom Feeney. That is just part of the Madsen story. Very interesting to me personally is the mysterious death of Ray Lemme who was found dead in a motel bathtub only a short drive from my house. I interviewed a woman deputy who works at the Valdosta Sheriff's Department, and thought that their claim that it was a suicide was decidedly hasty.

Here’s part of the Madsen article:

Special Report

Texas to Florida: White House-linked clandestine operation paid for "vote switching" software

By Wayne Madsen

Online Journal Contributing Writer

Download a .pdf file for printing.
Adobe Acrobat Reader required.

Click here to download a free copy.

December 6, 2004—The manipulation of computer voting machines in the recent presidential election and the funding of programmers who were involved in the operation are tied to an intricate web of shady off-shore financial trusts and companies, shady espionage operatives, Republican Party politicians close to the Bush family, and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) contract vehicles.

An exhaustive investigation has turned up a link between current Florida Republican Representative Tom Feeney, a customized Windows-based program to suppress Democratic votes on touch screen voting machines, a Florida computer services company with whom Feeney worked as a general counsel and registered lobbyist while he was Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives, and top level officials of the Bush administration.

According to a notarized affidavit signed by Clint Curtis, while he was employed by the NASA Kennedy Space Center contractor, Yang Enterprises, Inc., during 2000, Feeney solicited him to write a program to "control the vote." At the time, Curtis was of the opinion that the program was to be used for preventing fraud in the in the 2002 election in Palm Beach County, Florida. His mind was changed, however, when the true intentions of Feeney became clear: the computer program was going to be used to suppress the Democratic vote in counties with large Democratic registrations.

According to Curtis, Feeney and other top brass at Yang Enterprises, a company located in a three-story building in Oviedo, Florida, wanted the prototype written in Visual Basic 5 (VB.5) in Microsoft Windows and the end-product designed to be portable across different Unix-based vote tabulation systems and to be "undetectable" to voters and election supervisors.

Yang, an engineering and computer services company subcontracted to NASA prime contractors like Lockheed Martin, was founded in 1986 by Dr. Tyng-Lin (Tim) Yang. Granted minority-owned "Section 8A" and woman-owned preferential status by the U.S. government, Yang's clients also include the Florida Department of Transportation (DOT). Yang's President, Li-Woan (Lee) Yang, is Tim Yang's wife. Feeney was the registered agent for another Yang company, Y & H Greens, Inc., a company that was dissolved in 1988 and operated from the Yangs' residence on Merritt Island. The Yangs also serve as co-trustees for an entity called Yang of Merritt Island, Ltd., founded on January 31, 2000, and also run from their residence.

In the autumn of 1999, Curtis, who served as a sort of technology adviser for Yang, first became aware of Feeney's interest in election rigging. Curtis said at one meeting, Feeney "bragged that he could reduce the minority vote and deliver the election to 'George.'" At the same meeting, according to Curtis, Feeney said he had "implemented a list that would eliminate thousands of voters that would vote for Democratic candidates" and that "a proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25 percent."
Feeney's desire to manipulate the vote would be manifested in his home base of Volusia County in the 2000 presidential election. According to The Washington Post, at 10 p.m. on election night, Al Gore was leading Bush in Volusia County by 83,000 to 62,000 votes. One-half hour later, Gore's vote total had been reduced by 16,000 to 67,000 and an obscure Socialist candidate saw a sudden surge to 10,000 votes in a precinct with only 600 voters. The information on the Volusia optical scanner voting anomalies came from a leaked internal Diebold memorandum. In the end, Bush won Florida and the White House by a mere 537 votes in the most controversial U.S. presidential election in history.

Feeney had long been a voice in Florida GOP politics. He was gubernatorial candidate Jeb Bush's running mate in 1994, a race in which Democratic incumbent Lawton Chiles defeated Bush. Chiles once referred to Feeney as "the David Duke of Florida politics."

In 2002, Feeney asked Curtis if he could develop a touch screen voting machine "flip flop" program. According to Curtis, Feeney asked him, "Can you write a program to flip votes around on touch screen machines?" Curtis said Feeney wanted the program to merely reduce votes in heavily Democratic areas and flip Republican votes to 51 percent and keep Democrat votes to 49 percent. Curtis added that Feeney "did not want to win by a lot." In return, Curtis said Feeney offered him "big jobs." Curtis's main tasks at Yang were to develop the Florida DOT's Electronic Document Management System. He also worked on the Project Pipeline Information System at another one of Yang's major clients, Exxon Mobil's Coral Gables facility.

Curtis said he developed the voting program and eventually handed off his prototype to Feeney. The program was also reviewed by Curtis's senior coder, Hai Lin (Henry) Nee, who according to Florida Department of Transportation sources, was an illegal alien working in the United States. According Curtis, not only did Nee review the vote switching program code but he constantly downloaded sensitive data to his computer from NASA's computers. Nee, according to Curtis, moonlighted at an Orlando company called Azure Systems, described by The Orlando Sentinel as a "three person engineering firm" and one of a number of companies linked to Ting Ih-Hsu, a former Lockheed Martin employee. At the same time Nee was reviewing Yang's vote switching program, he was also being investigated by U.S. federal investigators for illegally shipping Hellfire missile parts to China. Oddly, although U.S. law enforcement agents had put Nee and his associates under surveillance for illegal exports of technology to China in 1999, he and his colleagues were not arrested until March of this year.

BIG SNIP…….HEY…I JUST NOTICED THE “DOWNLOAD A FREE COPY” AFTER THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE. DOESN’T THAT IMPLY PERMISSION TO REPRINT?!

Do know that I admire you greatly, and will forever be grateful to you. Many blessings upon you and those you love.




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Response to AikidoSoul (Reply #110)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:46 AM

113. Light at the end of the tunnel

Thank you very much for your kind and generous reply, Aikido. Wayne Madsen has helped us in many ways since 2004. Wayne put me in touch with John Caylor who investigated the assassination of Ray Lemme, as well as with Clint Curtis. Clint Curtis flew to Columbus on December 12, 2004 so we could present his testimony, under oath, to a panel of Members of Congress and a few Ohio legislators and Columbus City Council members on the 13th, after we filed our contest of the Presidential election with the Ohio Supreme Court. Clint shared some of what Wayne wrote about in the piece you posted.

I did not know about the Diebold contribution to the NFB. The FreePress.org wrote one of several cutting edge pre 2012 election stories exposing funding patterns to influence/corrupt the expression of academic views of election technology and integrity.

I hope you are watching ABC TV's Scandal series on Thursday nights. They are telling the story, of both Presidential election rigging and strategic assassinations to cover it up, in a way that makes it understandable to ordinary people. In their wonderful character development they make key figures like Karl Rove lovable in the same way the Godfather series made those folks lovable. I think "Scandal" is transforming public consciousness of some of the hard realities of American politics today to a degree that those realities will change in our lifetime.

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Response to AikidoSoul (Reply #110)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 10:56 AM

120. See Spoonamore Press Conference http://archive.org/details/ElectionFraudInOhioCourtCase

and interviews with Spoonamore posted on the right side of DU front page.

Also see: http://ElectionProtectionAction.org

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:12 PM

123. Thanks very much for posting this...greatly appreciated! nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #123)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:52 AM

192. Very happy being a "NewDem" and being here on DU

Thank you, OldDem2012. I am a relatively New Dem, having changed over in 1996 from being a Republican. I had served as counsel to the Ohio Senate Republican Campaign Committee from 1980-1988 and was Ohio counsel to Bob Dole's 1988 Presidential Campaign in the Republican primary that year. I even formally and personally endorsed President George H.W. Bush for reelection in the 1992 Presidential campaign, even though he had led a full media blitz campaign in favor of my Republican Congressional opponent in the 1990 15th District of Ohio Republican primary.

It is interesting to see some of my old Republican friends and clients, such as former U.S. Rep. Bob Ney, getting "sideswiped" by "hit men" associated with today's Republican Party. Ney's very good book--right about in the middle of it--publishes my letter of July 2008 to Attorney General Mukasey seeking protection of Karl Rove's IT guru against a threat reportedly made against him by Karl Rove. Reportedly, Connell was being directed to "take the fall" for the theft of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio. When he did not do so in his court ordered deposition with Bob Fitrakis and me, on November 5, 2008, he was reportedly assassinated by a Blackwater team on December 19, 2008.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:07 AM

134. More Claremont ballot rigging evidence

I still have the video of Claremont election officials counting the 26 "duplicate ballots" (they wouldn't let us "touch" them) described at the bottom of the top post on this blog: http://www.baiman.blogspot.com/
The did everything they could to block us from investigating at all and then (after Bob Fitrakis's intervention) we got them to allow to do "random" checks and these 36 "duplicate" ballots with no back-up and no reasonable explanation appeared very quickly.
It appears that your (Cliff and Richard) and FBI (if I got this right) followup (or was this earlier) revealed a lot more and why they fought so hard to keep us from looking at those ballots!

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Response to rbaiman (Reply #134)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:45 PM

135. Is Miami County, Ohio Defiance County in SCANDAL?

Thanks, Ron, for your supplements to this thread. I am wondering if the Miami County memory card for the 2004 election that Director Quillen saved and shared with us for a demo is the now famous memory card from Defiance, Ohio as depicted in SCANDAL.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #135)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 04:49 PM

137. What episode(s)?

Thanks Cliff. I took a quick look at SCANDAL (season 2, episode 12) and saw people doing nefarious things with touch screen machines... but can't make much else out .

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Response to rbaiman (Reply #137)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:46 PM

138. Miami County 2004 software

I just meant we did not have any county other than Miami where we were able to test the software that controlled the 2004 election. In SCANDAL, the journalist goes to Defiance County and finds one DRE machine that still has its memory card inside it. He runs a test, and it is clear it was programmed to switch the votes cast by the voter to the Presidential candidate for whom the Karl Rove character works.

Thanks for all your work, and especially for serving as our expert witness on the exit poll discrepancy before the Ohio Supreme Court.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #138)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:44 PM

246. Link to detailed forensic report on Miami (a.k.a. "Defiance") County 2004 Vote Rigging

Thank you Cliff for your untiring work on this!

I don't know if you've shared this link that outlines the "true" story including (Republican) Miami County Election Director Steve Quillen's acknowledgement that the electronic vote counting system for the County counted votes that had not been cast:

http://www.freepress.org/images/departments/2209.pdf

Fact or "fiction", indeed!



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Response to rbaiman (Reply #246)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 08:38 PM

248. Real Ohio proof of the crime of the century, as depicted in ABC TV's Scandal

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No, I had not, Ron. Thanks for doing so. The written report is a little long. There was also a story on it on MSNBC with Lou Dobbs on which Bob, Harvey and Pete appeared.

I thought perhaps you had been there too, and would summarize it. Steve Quillen, the Republican Director had told Troy Seman that he had saved the software and would share it with us. Both Quillen and Troy's dad had served in military intelligence. That software is what came to my mind when I saw Scandal's Defiance County episode.

We think the ES&S patch that the OSOS tried to secretly attach for the counting of half the votes in the Ohio 2012 election may be the current equivalent to the Defiance County patch depicted in scandal--except that its performance was nixed at the last minute on advice of counsel that would most certainly be exposed in a post election audit. When I moved for leave to file a surreply in connection with the OSOS's motion to dismiss our complaint, I cited SCANDAL's exposure of election theft in Ohio as reason for Ohio lawyers and judges to do their part to make sure such things do not go on in Ohio. The judge granted our motion.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #248)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:02 AM

249. Lou Dobbs election rigging show

Ah Yes!

I was scheduled to be on that show with Bob and Pete - but the Dobbs folks decided to replace me at the last minute with Harvey.
None of us had anything to do with this - I think it was a "media marketing" decision - plus they may have realized that Harvey is a better public speaker!

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Response to rbaiman (Reply #249)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:51 PM

251. Bobby Kennedy's tribute to the stature of Harvey Wasserman

Don't feel badly about that, Ron.

Years ago I went to Ohio State's Hillel Society to hear Bobby Kennedy, Jr. speak. For the first five minutes of his very interesting presentation, Kennedy talked about how privileged he felt to be in the presence of Harvey Wasserman! Harvey is a national figure of considerable fame and stature.

I believe from that first meeting for me with both Bobby and Harvey that Harvey's involvement in coverage of the 2004 election is what brought about Kennedy's and Rolling Stone Magazine's truly outstanding presentation of the theft of the 2004 Presidential election. But for the thoroughness of Karl Rove's media control strategy, the Rolling Stone article would have had the same kind of break through effect upon public consciousness as ABC TV's Scandal series is now having.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #251)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:51 PM

253. Do you know how the ratings have been for...

...Scandal? I'm curious if a lot of people have been tuning in and who/what the major demographic group(s) would be.

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #253)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:45 AM

270. Scandal: Hottest series on TV today, per Cover of Entertainment Weekly!

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:00 PM

171. I KNEW IT!

I knew people weren't stupid enough to vote for Bush twice

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #171)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:08 AM

178. Once actually.

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #178)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 09:51 AM

244. Rove stole both the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections

Precisely. I made this very point with David Plouffe at the Ohio Democratic Party Headquarters. I referred him to Dick Russell's conversation with John Kerry in which Kerry admitted knowing that he had won in 2004. It's in Governor Jesse Ventura's "American Conspiracies," Chapter 11, as I recall.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #171)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:17 PM

202. I knew people weren't stupid enough to vote for Bush ONCE let alone twice.

I knew people weren't stupid enough to vote for Bush ONCE let alone twice.

It really was a coup.

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Response to yourout (Reply #202)

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:51 PM

245. The Republican Party has been surviving by election theft for a quarter century

The most interesting thing about Richard Charnin's bringing together and reporting of the scientific exit poll data for the last quarter century is that the anti-democratic policies of the Republican Party would have prevented them from being politically competitive. The Republican Party would have had to have moved to the center in order to survive.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:20 AM

179. kick

details!!

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Response to deek (Reply #179)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:54 PM

186. kick, the sequel n/t

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:11 PM

201. The least of Kkkarl's misanthropic endeavors .

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:34 AM

208. K&R nt

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Reply #208)

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:51 AM

209. Kindred progressives on DU

Thank you very much, Proud Progressive. I look forward to collaborating with you on DU.

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:56 AM

222. K&R! Thanks for posting and for all that you do!

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #222)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 02:40 AM

232. Thanks

Thank you, myrna,

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 05:09 AM

236. Just donated. Thank you for all your work! nt

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #236)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 10:25 AM

237. Thanks for quoting "Give 'em Hell" Harry Truman!

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Thank you very much, octoberlib, for your contribution! I like your signature line, quoting President Harry Truman.

President Truman appointed my great uncle, James McPherson Proctor, to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. Proctor was a Republican and had been appointed to the D.C. District Court by President Hoover.

When I was seven years old, we were in the audience with President Truman when Eddie Fisher, accompanied by the U.S. Army Band, sang my mother's song, "It's Spring Again," at the Carter Baron amphitheater. What a fond memory!

My favorite Truman line is his response to a supporter who yelled out: "Give 'em Hell, Harry!" to which Truman replied, "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."

Today's Republicans are not Lincoln/TR/Eisenhower Republicans--they are Rove/Koch Republicans. They oppose a democratic/republican form of government. They are hostile to the Constitution. They support global corporate ownership of our elections and our governments. They're nuts!

Cliff

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Reply #237)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:13 PM

239. How interesting!

We just had a Republican takeover in NC. Of course, the first thing they did was introduce a voting rights bill, getting rid of same day voting, early voting, straight ticket voting and penalizing parents by taking away their tax exemptions if their children attending college vote in NC but aren't residents. Interestingly, they want to LOOSEN restrictions on absentee voting. Republicans seem to love this form of voting. It makes me suspicious. What the Republicans have done to our electoral system is just appalling.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #239)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:38 PM

272. Conspicuous corruption

It's also conspicuous to the American people. The brand is developing a reputation that will bring the demise of the party.

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:57 PM

255. Borgia? Really?

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Rove's taking the ol' Machiavellian thing a bit to literally these days it seems.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #255)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:45 AM

258. Borgia and Rove/Borgia and Machiavelli: truth stranger than fiction

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Yes, incredible isn't it? If we were writing fiction, we would not use that name, because it would sound too contrived.

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Response to WhoIsNumberNone (Reply #268)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:31 PM

271. Complete video of Presser targeting Karl Rove for Ohio RICO litigation

http://archive.org/details/ElectionFraudInOhioCourtCase

The short video posted by WhoIsNumberNone consists of excerpts of our 7/17/2008 news conference was taken by Brett Kimberlin of VR. The pitch for funds at the end is outdated, inasmuch as VR's principal funder has advised us they will no longer support our litigation to shut down election fraud.

Our video of this important Columbus, OH news conference in which we targeted Karl Rove, features Stephen Spoonamore, friend and colleague of Michael Connell, Karl Rove's IT Guru, via speaker phone from D.C.

Here is the link for the entire news conference covered, among others by the Statehouse Bureau Chief of Associated Press and the Columbus Dispatch: http://archive.org/details/ElectionFraudInOhioCourtCase

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 01:47 PM

284. Kicking...

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #284)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 04:05 PM

287. More common than reported by electronic voting systems

If a majority of voters are the measure of common sense, then according to the exit polls, they consistently vote for Democratic candidates. The 6 point red shift from cheating, that Richard Charnin documents, is necessary for the Republican Presidential candidates to have a chance of "winning."

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Response to Cliff Arnebeck (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:06 PM

285. kickski

and welcome do DU!

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Response to Snarkoleptic (Reply #285)

Wed May 22, 2013, 03:19 AM

286. Thank you very much

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