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Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:07 PM

Kids shoot and kill baby in stroller because mom didn't have money to give them.

Georgia Police Hunt Killers of Baby in Stroller

Georgia police are going door-to-door in search of two young suspects who are accused of shooting and killing a 1-year-old boy as his mother pushed him in a stroller.

Sherry West, the mother of the child, told police she was walking her 13-month-old son, Antonio, in a stroller Thursday morning through their Brunswick, Ga., neighborhood when two African-American boys approached her and demanded money. When she told them she didn't have any money, West said one of the boys pulled out a handgun.

"He said, 'I'm going to kill you if you don't give me money,' and I said, 'I swear I don't have any,"' West told WAWS-TV in Jacksonville, Fla.

West said she tried to shield her child with her arms, but the gunman shoved her and shot the baby in the head. West was shot in the leg.

http://news.yahoo.com/georgia-police-hunt-killers-baby-184607088.html

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:09 PM

1. I don't understand why she didn't just give up her purse.

If they threatened to kill the baby if she didn't hand over her purse, why didn't she?

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:11 PM

2. Wow. One post and it is the victims fault.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:13 PM

3. Police are not ruling anything or anyone out

the mother's account just doesn't smell right.

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:04 PM

83. check your nose, because they arrested the boys.

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:06 PM

85. based on what?

What would smell better?

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 03:07 PM

187. What doesn't smell right?

 

I don't think the mother was stalking the boys for a stand your ground law.

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 07:11 PM

205. I agree with you Cali.

Mom in interview was way too calm. My senses were alarming. I'll say I'm finding mom a person of interest.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:13 PM

4. Do you often put words in other people mouths/posts?

Get some reading comprehension lessons.

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Response to Mika (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:16 PM

7. She has every right to say "hey you piece of fucking shit, this is my purse.

Get your lazy fucking ass out of my face." and not have to worry about her baby being killed by said pieces of shit.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:18 PM

14. sure, but honestly what sane person would put themselves and their baby at risk

like that?

Frankly, I'm not buying Mom's account of this.

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Response to cali (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:31 PM

26. Honestly, it is impossible that she actually had no money to give

Maybe the facts turn out to be false. However, that was NOT addressed in the post I responded to. The comment was that since she refused to turn over something she did not have, she is to blame. That is disgusting and bull shit.

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Response to cali (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:10 PM

59. Well, the police apparently buy it. There have already been arrests.


BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) Police arrested two teenagers Friday who are suspected in the shooting death of a 13-month-old baby in a stroller and wounding the baby's mother during an attempted robbery.

Seventeen-year-old De'Marquis Elkins is charged as an adult with first-degree murder, along with a 14-year-old who was not identified because he is a juvenile, Police Chief Tobe Green said.

Police announced the arrest Friday afternoon after combing school records and canvassing neighborhoods searching for the pair. The chief said the motive of the "horrendous act" was still under investigation and the weapon had not been found.


Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/article/Police-arrest-2-teens-in-Ga-baby-killing-4375946.php#ixzz2OIzEgSnN

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Response to cali (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:36 PM

97. Oh FFS.

"not buying Mom's account of this".

Lets contort ourselves into pretzels to find a way to make this not the fault of the people who shot the baby.

It's not like they're truly bad people, like the people who watch porn.

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Response to cali (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:46 PM

105. It never fails to amaze me how some people are so quick think the worst about people

Especially those that have just suffered an enormous trauma. Please do yourself and the entire planet a huge favor and just STFU.

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Response to cali (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:51 PM

108. Who gives a ----

what Mom's account is. Two kids kill her child.

And you say "what Mom would put her baby at risk like that"?

Wow--this is what gun culture does to people.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #108)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:16 PM

178. What makes you think that the poster is in any way, shape, or form, related to a "gun culture"?

 

Seriously, how does a "gun culture" have anything to do with a poster saying:
"what Mom would put her baby at risk like that"?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #178)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:24 PM

182. Gun Culture means that people

are so used to living in a climate of acceptance of gun violence that they don't even see the point--that nothing the mother did was responsible for her child getting killed. The problem is the access to guns. Anyone in a culture NOT saturated with guns would agree with me. No child should die this way no matter what the mother's reaction was.

This is what living in a gun culture does to people. They don't see the issue correctly. I'm sure you do, tho.

Here's some thoughts on the subject--

---http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/23/opinion/nocera-saving-children-from-guns.html?hp&_r=1&

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:19 PM

16. She pretty much did that. And look where it got them.

Proof is in the pudding.

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Response to Mika (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:28 PM

22. And women should not wear "slutty" clothes

Proof is in the pudding (rape statistics).

You are disgusting.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:31 PM

27. Step back. Take a breath.

Your knee jerking over something I never said surely must be tiring.

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Response to Mika (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:35 PM

30. At a minimum, your response is odd

A baby is shot and killed and your immediate thought is to pontificate on handing a purse over to a piece of fucking shit.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:39 PM

36. No pontificating on my part. Just asking why she valued her purse more than her baby.

Even the police advise handing over a purse to avoid injury or death during a robbery.

Seems as though it is you who is doing the pontificating over her right to tell them to F off, damn the torpedoes, not seeming to care what tragedy resulted.

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Response to Mika (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:51 PM

42. Did she have a purse?

I don't walk around with one when I'm just out for a stroll.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:00 PM

44. Yes. Here ...

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Response to Mika (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:05 PM

50. Maybe it was just a reflex to pull away

from the guy grabbing for it? She said she has no money, I personally would have handed it over to prove it myself - but we all do things differently. Maybe she thought it wouldn't matter, they grab for her and the rest we all now know.

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Response to Rex (Reply #50)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:07 PM

53. There are probably other things in that purse besides any money she might have had

 

Driver's license, credit cards, medication, phone, address book, family photos; all kinds of things that the owner might value but a robber wouldn't care about destroying.

If someone made a grab for my bag I'd fight like hell to keep it.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #53)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:10 PM

58. Even after they threatened to shoot your baby if you didn't hand it over?

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Response to Mika (Reply #58)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:12 PM

60. I have been trained to fight back in that situation, if escape is not possible

 

Because you have no assurance that a wacko kid with a gun isn't crazy enough to shoot you even if you do cooperate.

I'd go for the gun.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #60)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:06 PM

87. Oh Lawd!

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #60)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:49 PM

106. Go gitt'im Tiger!

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Response to Mika (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 08:42 AM

159. Unless you have been in that situation yourself

you have no idea how you would react. If someone pulls a gun on you and threatens you, it is an unpredictable situation to say the least.

And it is all speculation whether or not they would have shot her anyway if she HAD handed over her purse. These thugs shot a baby, for heaven's sake. If they would do that, whose to say they wouldn't shoot her anyway?

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #53)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:50 AM

157. My martial arts instructor told our class. ...

You only use the tricks I will teach you when absolutely necessary.

Suppose you are on a lonely street and your situational awareness fails you. You find yourself facing an armed person who asks for your wallet.

Look into his eyes as the eyes of the mirror of the soul.

If you feel that all he wants is your wallet just give it to him. You can always replace your money, your driver's license and your credit cards. You can't always replace your health and dead is dead.

However if you feel your attacker plans to hurt or kill you then you have absolutely nothing to lose by fighting.


I have always considered him to be a very wise sensei.

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Response to spin (Reply #157)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:37 AM

163. Um...

Look into his eyes as the eyes of the mirror of the soul? You sound like George Bush seeing Putin's soul.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #163)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:42 PM

172. "The eyes are the mirror of the soul" is a Yiddish proverb. (n/t)

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Response to spin (Reply #172)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:54 PM

186. Yea, let me know how that works out

for you.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #186)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:28 PM

203. Since my situational awareness has never failed me ...

I have never been the victim of a mugger.

Of course the eyes are only one part of judging the aggression level of a person who might attack you.

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Response to Rex (Reply #50)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:52 PM

109. MAYBE

she didn't know they'd pull out a gun and kill her kid????

Good god, somehow this is the mother's fault?

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Response to Mika (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:06 PM

51. Maybe because she's a human who never imagined someone could kill a baby?

And in the stress of the moment just said the true thing -- that she had no money in it?

How do you know they wouldn't have killed the baby anyway?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:09 PM

55. They threatened to shoot the baby if she didn't hand over the purse.

They had a gun. Used it on her for not handing it over. Threatened to shoot the baby if she didn't hand it over. The shooter proved that he will escalate if she didn't comply.

The odds at that moment were far greater that her baby would be shot if she didn't hand it over.

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Response to Mika (Reply #55)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:13 PM

62. Why should anyone believe a word they say?

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:14 PM

63. Well, they did do what they said they'd do if she didn't hand it over.

So, I guess on that, they did tell the truth.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:16 PM

65. Very good point.

Why do so many here think the mom is involved? Was it something the police said?

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Response to Rex (Reply #65)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:17 PM

67. I think I know why some people had the strange knee-jerk reaction, and it isn't pretty.

 

Other than being pretty hypocritical.

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Response to Rex (Reply #65)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:22 PM

71. The police have already arrested teens fitting the description, so apparently they believe her. n/t

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:38 PM

102. Exactly, google "never trust your assailant." nt

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Response to Mika (Reply #55)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:14 PM

64. You can't be seriously arguing that she's culpable. So what is your point?

That she made a mistake?

Even though we'll never know if the baby might have been killed anyway. She didn't have the money they wanted.

"He asked me for money and I said I didn't have it," she said. "When you have a baby, you spend all your money on babies. They're expensive. And he kept asking and I just said 'I don't have it.' And he said, 'Do you want me to kill your baby?' And I said, 'No, don't kill my baby!'"

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/article/Police-arrest-2-teens-in-Ga-baby-killing-4375946.php#ixzz2OJ0YKx57

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:16 PM

66. I AM NOT making any such argument.

Despite the multiple knee jerk reactions, I am simply asking why, if her baby was threatened if she didn't hand over her purse, why didn't she just hand it over?

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Response to Mika (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:18 PM

68. Shock.

And not given enough time to rationalize the situation?

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Response to Rex (Reply #68)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:21 PM

70. Yes. Exactly. nt

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Response to Mika (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:20 PM

69. Maybe because her body was surging with stress hormones so her brain wasn't functioning

as well as yours is, while you're sitting and typing on your computer?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #69)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:57 PM

110. +++++duh



People who have never been on the wrong end of a gun have NO idea. I have --5 times--in very ordinary situations (no, I'm not a war correspondent).

You can't think. You go numb. You don't react "correctly"...

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Response to Mika (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:43 PM

76. By asking the question, you make the statement

Dodge all you want, but you are blaming the victim.

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Response to riqster (Reply #76)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:46 PM

77. Knee jerk all you want, but, I'm not.

Other posts here do (by attributing some brain malfunction, hormones, stress, etc etc). I simply ask why.

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Response to Mika (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:59 PM

80. How is saying the 'mother is in shock' from having her life threatened

a knee jerk reaction AND since you are playing with syntax, the boys DID NOT ask her for her purse. They demanded MONEY. Why do you assume the two things mean the same thing? That is kinda knee jerky...but carry on.

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Response to Rex (Reply #80)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:07 PM

88. Wrong. I'm saying that you accusing me of blaming the mother is knee jerking.

Nice attempted shift, though.

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Response to Mika (Reply #88)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:11 PM

90. Point out where I accused you of blaming the mother.

I gave you reasons why she maybe didn't give them her purse.

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Response to Rex (Reply #90)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:14 PM

92. Sorry, Rex. I should have referred to riqster in post #88, and not you.

My apologies.



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Response to Mika (Reply #92)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:18 PM

94. NP Mika...these sub-threads are getting tedious

and you cannot help but appear to be replying to whoever is right above you. I just wanted to make sure you knew I was NOT accusing you of blaming the mother.

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Response to Mika (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:20 PM

98. I'm not blaming her in the slightest. I'm trying to explain to you why her reaction

was well within the norms in that totally shocking, abnormal situation.

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Response to Mika (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:11 PM

119. "I'm just askin'" is a tired, pathetic cliche

that people use when they realise they've dug themselves into a shitty hole. You're not going to come out of this looking good; why not just stop now?

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Response to Mika (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:43 PM

104. It's always so easy to critique and second guess

when you don't have a gun shoved in your face.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #104)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:00 PM

112. Absolutely

if you've never tried it, I don't recommend it.

Staring at a gun barrel messes you UP!

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #112)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:43 PM

173. +1

Yes it does.

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Response to Rex (Reply #173)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:59 PM

176. My sis in law

living in FL, drove into her own driveway and a guy jumped out of the bushes and pointed a gun at her head (her kid was in the back seat). She went completely hysterical batshit insane on the spot, threw everything in the car out at him. He picked up the purse and ran. She has never gotten over it. Paranoid to this day. And one of the things she says is how her brain turned to jello with fear.


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Response to marions ghost (Reply #176)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:08 PM

195. Running around with the wrong crowd at 15

long story short, cop with a HUGE revolver about 3 inches from my face yelling at all of us to get out of the car. We did and paid for our stupidity. NO ONE ever forgets it. I'm 41 but can call up the exact image in my mind of that moment like it happened 5 minutes ago. I can see every detail in my mind, all focused around the end of that huge revolver. The hole pointing right at my head.

Set my ass on the path of law abiding citizen, I can tell you that. Otherwise, I was scared shitless and waiting to be shot at point blank range. Thankfully we were not THAT bad. No one ever forgets a gun to the face. I am surprised I did not shit my pants that night.

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Response to Rex (Reply #195)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:18 PM

199. I had it happen, large handgun at point blank also

--old crazy man on meds, steroids, etc--out of his mind, with nobody responsible monitoring him. Long story. But I went completely numb, couldn't talk, move, nuthin. Froze. Somebody else talked him down.

Anybody who says they could "do the right thing" whatever that may be --when staring down the barrel of any kind of gun has never been there. Sounds like the cop was a little out of control? Or did he have to do that to get control? Anyway seems it made an impression, just as my experience did.



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Response to marions ghost (Reply #199)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 08:01 PM

206. The cops were waiting for us.

And they had every right to be worried. The guns drawn and in our faces was, I believe, the cops (all of them) way of scaring the living shit out of teenagers that new better.

Ya...nobody understands until they are staring down the barrel of a gun and can see the bullets inside, ready to kill at a moments notice. I was waiting to die.

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Response to Mika (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:22 PM

127. Its very possible..

... that most folks do not think clearly when someone is waving a gun in their face.

Fact is, this is 100% the kid's fault if it went down as she said, and no punishment, I mean NONE in this country, is enough for the shooter.

Unfortunately the way most laws are written the accomplice is just as culpable as the shooter. His life is over because he hooked up with a monster.

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Response to Mika (Reply #66)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 09:06 AM

161. Nobody outside this situation has

any business second guessing the mom. Until you are in exactly this situation, you cannot tell me how you would react. You can say anything you want about what you might do. But what you actually do in this situation, I hope you never find out.

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Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:38 AM

155. Honestly, you should be ashamed

But I doubt you even comprehend why.

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Response to Mika (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:26 PM

142. I read the ops link and there is no mention of a purse.

How did you come to conclude she had a purse?

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Response to rainy (Reply #142)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:28 PM

143. I posted the link in this thread several times. n/t

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Response to Mika (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:16 PM

197. She probably couldn't think what to do. She was accosted and threatened with a gun...

being waved at her baby, saying "give me your money." I'm guessing she panicked and just answered his demand for money by stating the obvious, that she didn't have any. He didn't ask for the purse. That's my guess...that she panicked and couldn't think fast enough what to do.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:58 PM

111. Criminals don't recognize your rights. That's why they're called criminals. nt

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:04 PM

49. Well, we know that guns don't kill people.

But purses can save them.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #49)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:42 PM

103. And not wearing slutty dresses can stop u from being raped

Great logic.

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:15 PM

6. Maybe they would've shot the baby anyway...

even if she did give them her purse.

We seem to be experiencing an outpouring of all the foul and horrible social/mental/spiritual pollution that flows below the surface of our society. A disgusting surfeit of efforts to selfishly benefit by committing violence against others... ...I don't know really. These kinds of events just leave me floored, angry, and despairing. Just gross.

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Response to love_katz (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:17 PM

11. maybe you should wait to see if the mother's account holds up

before you freak out.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:29 PM

24. I'm not blaming the mother. I'm saying her account of it doesn't

ring true to me, dearie.

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Response to cali (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:02 PM

81. Well, it does ring true.

The juveniles who did this have been arrested.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:08 PM

54. Thank you, CreekDog.

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Response to cali (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:07 PM

52. Are you embarrassed yet? They have arrested two boys

for the shooting. I'd be embarrassed at jumping to the conclusions you jumped to.

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Response to cali (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:17 PM

198. Maybe you should wait to see the evidence that law enforcement has on the guys

before you accuse the victim.

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:17 PM

12. What purse?

 

The story says nothing about her having a purse.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:33 PM

28. I heard her say it in an earlier vid on TV. Here ...

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:02 PM

47. where does it say she even had a purse?

did I miss something?

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:02 PM

48. Who said she didn't? Who said she even had a purse?

Who carries a purse when they're pushing a baby around the neighborhood in a stroller?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #48)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:26 PM

183. I posted the link several times, yet you ignore it.

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:09 PM

56. Oh my god.

Were you there? Have you ever had a gun pointed at you and had your child's life threatened? It's easy to judge what someone should have done or not done after the fact, but blaming the mother who lost her child to this heinous crime, and questioning her reaction to having a fucking gun pointed at her baby's head is beyond heartless. You weren't there. I thought DUers had more compassion than this.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #56)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:12 PM

61. Where did I blame? Fer christs sake, i asked why she didn't just hand the purse over. n/t

Try rereading my post (while not jerking your knee).

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Response to Mika (Reply #61)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:43 AM

158. keep digging. you're burying yourself

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:03 PM

82. what purse?

I didn't see any mention of a purse

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Response to demwing (Reply #82)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:05 PM

84. Read thru the thread. I've posted the link here 2 times. eom

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Response to Mika (Reply #84)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:02 PM

113. thanks /nt

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:50 PM

107. When I go for walks in my neighborhood - which is almost every day - I never, ever carry my purse.

I have never seen a woman walking in the park with her purse. May be different with baby in stroller, but I doubt it. She probably had a diaper bag and probably a cell phone but not necessarily a purse with money.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #107)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:27 PM

184. Again ...

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:02 PM

114. I'm sure a lot of people wondered that. I'm guessing she couldn't think fast enuf what to do.

She just responded with the fact that she didn't have any $ and didn't think to give the purse. That's just a guess.

What kind of awful person could shoot a baby in the face. Awful. Evil person. So horrible. That poor little baby.

I'm wondering, though, why she was walking alone with a baby and a purse. A purse is a flag that there may be possessions in it that may be worth stealing. I guess it was a safe neighborhood, so she didn't think about it twice. But I don't think I'd go strolling with a purse in view. But I live in a largish city.

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:31 PM

131. It wasn't theirs.

Why didn't the murderers back off when she said she had no money? In fact, why didn't they decide not to be robbers?

Killing a baby point blank: maximum sentences. Death, if it's available.

I don't know who this woman is, but if she is really poor then that puts a whole different attitude on material loss. A small loss of money or time (such as taking a day off from work to get a new driver's license) can be catastrophic. So, "it's just a purse" which sounds sensible to a middle class person sounds like a crass, out of touch remark to a really poor person.

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Response to Mika (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:20 PM

150. I don't understand why they executed a baby.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:15 PM

5. Gun nuts shrug and return to their gun porn. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:35 PM

33. Dehumanizing people is what lead to this atrocity. Try not to contribute.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:32 PM

132. "Gun nuts" think she should have a right to shoot back.

Maybe that's the wrong way of looking at it, but denigrating those who disagree will not win any converts.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:16 PM

9. This would be shocking in another country

but not in America where guns are very easily accessible.

You can thank the NRA and their right wing enablers.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:18 PM

15. It's shocking here

 

HTH

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:26 PM

19. No....gun violence is not shocking in America.

20 kids slaughtered by an AR-15 is not shocking.

It just isn't shocking. Really, it isn't.

This is America, the gun nut utopia and world laughingstock.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:31 PM

25. If it wasn't shocking then why the outcry?

Why the statewide moment of silence? Why the memorials and tearful candle light vigils?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but as a resident of Connecticut, it was very shocking.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:00 PM

43. I suppose people have different reactions.

My reaction to Newtown was anger and outrage, but not shock or surprise because I know what kind of country this is.

Columbine, Newtown, Aurora, Virginia Tech....the list goes on.....

It no longer shocks or surprises me.

Sorry. Everyone is free to have their own reaction.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:35 PM

32. That's bullcrap.

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:41 PM

38. Is it a gun problem, or a bad parenting problem?

What puts those kids on the street ready to threaten and kill for money?

Where did they even get that from?

Where are the parents?

Where are the morals?

They're emulating what they've seen their "father figures" or other mentors do.

Hell, they might have been trained to do this.

Or it could have been a gang initiation.

How does taking guns from those who have them from self protection stop this?

What gun law could you possibly pass to prevent this?

Chicago's got some of the toughest gun laws in the country. And the gun violence rate there?

If the woman in this story had had a gun, her baby might still be alive.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:48 PM

41. There may be some truth to this.

A lot of kids like this, sadly end up going sour thanks to crappy home and/or school environments, particularly where physical and/or psychological abuse is involved; really, in many, many, cases, it's just a tragic case of garbage in, garbage out(and also notice, on the flip side, how free-range kids usually don't turn out like this, unlike what some right-wing talking heads would like to claim).

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:01 PM

45. "If the woman in this story had had a gun, her baby might still be alive"

Republican gun nut talking points are spouted by Republican gun nuts.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:10 PM

57. Maybe a GOP talking point, but I sure haven't seen anyone post that on DU

 

Not seriously.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:21 PM

95. Wow, great answer.



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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:29 PM

75. Why does it have to be either or?

It could be a parenting problem compounded by the presence of a gun. Both situations are necessary and neither is sufficient, unless you think he could have done this with a knife.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:08 PM

118. Duh duh duh --Bad parenting and bad society

Kid kills another kid with a gun. And you have to nerve to ask if there was "bad parenting'? What is this but bad parenting? Where did they get the gun?

I really am amazed that anyone could bring up the right wing talking points in the face of this.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:04 PM

116. Right

I agree. People are just not shocked in America like they are in other countries. I have relatives in Australia (who have lived there 30 years and married to Australians).

They DO NOT understand this. Why Americans want to live under these conditions.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:03 PM

115. Yes, it's shocking here for someone to shoot a baby in the face. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #115)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:15 PM

122. Most people will forget about it tomorrow

because killing is so ordinary here. Nothing unusual.

The Newtown kids were babies too. But people don't care enough to enact effective gun controls, do they?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #122)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:18 PM

125. Well, I'm shocked. So it's shocking. That is different from what to do about it.

To some, gun controls aren't the answer. That doesn't mean they are not shocked by someone shooting a baby in the face.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #125)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:22 PM

128. Not shocked enough to really care

to get off the "gun controls aren't the answer" knee jerk Bandwagon. What DOES it take? Maybe when we're all afraid to go anywhere without a gun?

NPR did a good segment today--comparing gun controls in New Jersey and Virginia. Check it out. Amazing the difference --and the correlation with fewer murders and suicides in New Jersey.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #128)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:20 AM

153. Back to culture war again, eh? Can't let one opportunity to cast moral aspersion pass?

your ideology and righteous indignation seem to outweigh your sense of "caring;" you just have to blame.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #153)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 08:42 AM

160. You're damn right I blame...

Too many people drink the koolaid from the gun manufacturers & NRA, just like they drank the koolaid about the Iraq War. Of course there's a cultural connection.

Please read this article:
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/21/173815829/on-gun-ownership-and-policy-a-country-of-chasms

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #160)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:41 AM

164. I blame the half-hearted manner in which our 49-year War On Poverty has been conducted

 

We've never really pushed for victory, and now have more people and a higher percentage living in poverty than there were in 1964 when President Johnson declared war and introduced legislation.

If we were doing it right we'd have a smaller dependency class, not a larger one.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #164)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:43 AM

165. Yeah I agree but

I was talking about guns?

Yeah America is messed up in many ways...I don't know why people put up with it.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #165)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:48 AM

166. Anyone could buy a rifle, shotgun, or handgun by mail-order with no questions asked in 1964.

 

There were no background checks, no classes of people prohibited from possessing firearms, no system of licensing for gun dealers, a much higher percentage of households had guns than do today; yet violent crime was near an all-time low.



Violent crime today is actually on a long downward trend in spite of the vivid reporting of every shooting in the media.

By all means talk about guns, but frankly I think the real problem is something else.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #166)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:00 PM

168. We are an anomaly among civilized nations

The United States is responsible for over 80% of all the gun deaths in the 23 richest countries combined.

So you want to live in a Banana Republic?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #168)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:33 PM

169. I'd like to see the root problems of violent crime addressed.

 

Not just window dressing.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #169)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:37 PM

170. Yep

all of the problems.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #160)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:52 AM

167. Heard it live, which confirms what I said: Culture war...

How very tolerant you are, once you've been given a self-righteous license.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #128)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:59 PM

193. The fact that someone else thinks there's a solution different from yours makes

them "not caring" and you...the "caring" one. Hmmm. That's just a little bit arrogant about your own opinions of things, isn't it? Only your solutions are the right ones?

BTW...most people, according to the polls, want assault weapons banned, high count mags banned, and universal background checks. But things like this situation - I don't see how an evil, screwed up person who takes a woman and child by surprise can be stopped, if he wants to kill a helpless baby.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:16 PM

10. did they have the 2nd press conference with updates yet ? based on CNN

report seems like the story isn't as the mother claims to be.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:18 PM

13. Well...I'll wait and see what comes out before deciding what I think.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:04 PM

141. I am in the corner with you. Something doesn't seem right about this situation. I may

be wrong, but I am not getting the right vibes about this.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:20 PM

17. This one doesn't pass the smell test

I don't want to say what I'm thinking but something with this story doesn't smell right.

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Response to kudzu22 (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:08 PM

117. I know what you mean, but in this case, they've arrested the guys, and I saw her on tv....

Unlike the lady who drowned her kids years ago and was "crying" on tv...I didn't buy that. She sounded fake to me. I said that at the time. The cops were on to her from the start.

But this lady....real tears, sobbing, gulping while trying to speak.

This is true.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #117)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:57 PM

171. Yes, I'm very glad I was wrong

So tragic about the baby, though.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:23 PM

18. As I did yesterday, I'll just wait and see what develops here

before drawing any conclusions at all about this. I have no idea. I wasn't there. I don't have enough information to even try to know.

Maybe I'll hear what happened someday. Maybe not.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:27 PM

20. According to her. I'm not 100% convinced.

I'm about 50% willing to buy her story.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:29 PM

23. CNN reporting that police have arrested two youths in this case.

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Response to BlueCheese (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:36 PM

34. A $10,000 bounty.

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Response to Mika (Reply #34)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:40 PM

37. Sorry-- what does that mean?

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Response to BlueCheese (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:56 PM

192. The person who gave the tip will get $10k if the tip leads to arrest & conviction.nt

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Response to BlueCheese (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:39 PM

35. 17 and 14. nt

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Response to BlueCheese (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:23 PM

72. Exactly as I guessed. Get the records of which sterling youth weren't in schools.

They will go for the Death Penalty on this one

For the older one that actually shot a baby in the face.

If the younger one cooperates and was little more than a witness he may still be tried as a juvenile.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:33 PM

29. This... doesn't smell right.

I'll wait to see how this turns out.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:46 PM

40. Jesus nt.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:01 PM

46. Not sure what does not smell right about this

Other than the fact that two young boys shot and killed this mother's baby and shot and tried to kill her.

And the person who said that if she had had a gun, this would not have happened is in dream land. The statistics do not prove this out.

All kinds of things are coming out in this thread except what happened. Two boys killed a baby. Appalling. And this and only this is what should be addressed here.

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Response to timdog44 (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:19 PM

126. There are NO extenuating circumstances here!

This thread alone indicates a lot about how Americans have been conditioned to accept gun violence.

This is insanity. Two boys killed a baby and there is any way to look at it other than barbaric?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #126)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:27 PM

129. Absoultely

what I have been trying to say on all the multiple threads on this story. Two boys killed a baby. Period. No ifs and or buts. Nothing smells bad except the killing. Barbaric covers it, barely.

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Response to timdog44 (Reply #129)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:44 PM

134. I haven't been in the multiple threads

but am really shocked to read through this one...

Even some of the right wingers showed up to defend the gun uber alles. I am amazed. Things are even worse than I thought. Has DU been hijacked by the NRA? This would be one thread where you'd think they'd be too ashamed to show up.

And then the people questioning the mother of the killed boy rather than the parents of the killers--the likely gun owners (we don't know yet, but likely). It does not matter what she did or didn't do correctly. Her child is dead.



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Response to marions ghost (Reply #134)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:47 PM

135. It is just as ugly

on the other threads. "If the mother had a gun, this would not have happened" and that kind of BS.

"We want to see pictures of the kids". I want to see the pictures of the people to whom the guns are registered or suppose to be registered, or should be registered.

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Response to timdog44 (Reply #135)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:54 PM

137. That is my Number One question also--

"I want to see the pictures of the people to whom the guns are registered or suppose to be registered, or should be registered."

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Prosecute the owners if children commit gun violence.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:24 PM

73. What exactly does NOT SMELL RIGHT? Why question the victim's story? How fucked up can you get?

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #73)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:09 PM

89. Susan Smith..

is what brings out the cynics..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #89)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:21 PM

99. The cynics should realize that the police have already arrested two teens.

So clearly the police believed her story, whether these teens are guilty or not.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #99)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:24 PM

101. So I wonder why the Police are still saying they are investigating all aspects of the story

No handgun was found
and the boys were arrested, based on attendance records

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Response to HipChick (Reply #89)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:55 PM

138. Diane Downs and Charles Stuart, too

Charles Stuart especially, who blamed a fictional black assailant for killing his pregnant wife and inflicting a gunshot wound to himself, when he in fact did both.

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Response to REP (Reply #138)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 10:06 AM

162. Thank you for mentioning those cases. nt

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #73)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 06:34 PM

204. Also, the victim's other son was killed as he was trying to kill someone

Her 18 year old son was trying to kill another teen, but his victim managed to get the knife away and kill his attacker in self-defense. If nothing else, it is a sad coincidence that her infant son was killed by a teen the same age as her other soon, who was also violent.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:27 PM

74. Notice how they make sure to mention the race of the murdering pricks first?

It makes sense later on, when the description of the two unsubs is given, but not when describing the crime. Saying two children under the age of 16 is more relevant than their race.

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Response to REP (Reply #74)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:51 PM

79. I think public safety is served by releasing as much descriptive information as possible...

 

...especially when the suspects are still at large. Everyone needs to be looking out for them.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #79)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:47 PM

136. As I mentioned, when giving the BOLO info, age/race/sex makes sense; in that para, it didn't.

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Response to REP (Reply #74)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:06 PM

86. On our local Atlanta WSBTV report of the arrest

the race of the boys was never mentioned.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #86)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:12 PM

91. It doesn't matter now. I mattered a lot before they were arrested.

 

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Response to REP (Reply #74)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:51 PM

147. Maybe it was a hate crime.

 

You can say it isn't?
Then race is relevant.
Unless they also have a record of shooting a non-white baby, in a stroller, in the face, then I'd like to know what they were thinking.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:15 PM

93. Does not compute. Sorry.

Last edited Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:18 PM - Edit history (1)

"He asked me for money and I said I didn't have it," she said. "When you have a baby, you spend all your money on babies. They're expensive. And he kept asking and I just said `I don't have it.' And he said, `Do you want me to kill your baby?' And I said, `No, don't kill my baby!'"
...

Then he fired at her head and the bullet grazed her left ear - she has a small scab and bruising there. He fired again and shot her in the left leg above the knee. "I didn't know I was hurt."the mother was the only witness to what happened.

"The boy proceeded to go around to the stroller and he shot my baby in the face," she said. "And then he just shoved me when I started screaming and he ran down London Street with the little boy.

... the mother was the only witness to what happened.... It's not the mother's first loss of a child to violence.

...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/antonio-santiago-west-dead-georgia-baby-killed_n_2931273.html

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Response to Catherina (Reply #93)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:23 PM

100. what does not compute ? they arrested 2 in this case

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Response to Catherina (Reply #93)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:17 PM

123. One thing: public street, plain view, several people heard the shots. If this were fake,

it would have been possible for someone to see that it's fake, so she wouldn't have done it in plain view like that.

Second: she had real tears. Those are hard to fake.

Re the first loss of a child to violence...I looked that up. He was an adult, at 18, and he got stabbed when he and some other guys tried to attack and rob another young man, who was able to get the knife from her son and stab him with it. The guy who was attacked was not charged.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #93)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:30 PM

130. The police would have done a GSR test on the mother's hands, first thing.

And had obviously immediately ruled her out as the shooter.


Do you people blaming the victim think that there is no physical evidence from the crime scene, and the police are only taking the mother at her word?

Really?

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Response to Catherina (Reply #93)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:36 PM

133. Do you have a link, please. I would like to read all the article "not the mother's first loss of a

child to violence" is blood curdling. I would like to read the whole article

Thanks

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #133)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:16 PM

145. She lost an older son to a knife attack. Here is a good link with fuller story:

.
It's not about guns, it's about craziness out there.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-arrest-2-teens-ga-baby-killing-204023308.html

sad...

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #145)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:01 PM

194. Her son was the armed mugger. The victim got the better of him & killed him.nt

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #133)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:20 PM

146. I edited the post to add it

Sorry about that.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:14 PM

121. I have been on every thread I can find on this.

I find it disgusting that the people here on DU are blaming the victim. Or saying if she had a gun it would not have happened. Everything that progressives stand for is coming unraveled. And like I said on another thread, I am ashamed and disgusted. I even served on a jury to some hateful thing said in regards to the victim's position and voted to hide it. 3-3. Again I am ashamed.

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Response to timdog44 (Reply #121)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:30 PM

151. +1 It's shocking even for DU. nt

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Response to timdog44 (Reply #121)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:20 PM

202. Evil people do harm. Sometimes they can't be stopped. They have the element of surprise,

and they pick those who are vulnerable. Evil, awful people.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:17 PM

124. Every thing is fine in our inner-city....

 

This is the result of giving Billions to Israel and Egypt.. and not a penny to America.

And BTW.. the more they give to foreign countries.. the more they claim Social Security is at fault.

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #124)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:59 PM

139. Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were 10 when they murdered a 2 year old in Liverpool, UK

This is not an exclusively American, nor "inner city" problem.

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #124)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:20 PM

201. Wow. This is Israel's fault?

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:04 PM

140. My take on this: America is going insane.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #140)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:52 PM

148. Stone. Cold. Gone.

 

And remember, just four years ago - everything was going to be different?

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Response to Zax2me (Reply #148)

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:45 PM

152. Things are different....

But it's like the old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times".

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:37 AM

154. I don't know what happened here, but in the 80's, I was visiting my sister at Christmastime...

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... and the big New York news was about somebody threatening babies in strollers with
a knife unless the mothers gave up their purses.
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New Yorkers. Almost to a person, they told him to go fuck himself... and he ran away.
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If I encountered someone sick enough to threaten a baby... let alone MY baby... I would've
given up EVERYTHING and asked if there were anything else I could do. Sir.
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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:50 AM

156. and nothing is going

To change until we quit obsessing over inanimate objects and focus on the human side of violence in America. Feel goodlaws wont stop this.

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:12 PM

177. I can't believe the people here that are blaming the mother.

She was a single mom with a baby who walked to the post office pushing her baby in a stroller. She probably did not have money to give the brats that accosted her. After all, she was shot first. Just what was she supposed to do? Wave a wand? Wiggle her nose? She is the living victim that will never be able to watch her baby grow to adulthood and people here are blaming her. It is disgusting.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #177)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:16 PM

179. Maybe, for some, it's easier than believing America's youth are really this lost.

This is a simply horrific story.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #179)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:24 PM

181. With the love of guns and lack of humanity there is now in this country this horrorific

story will get more common unless something is done about it.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #181)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:54 PM

191. ...and your suggestions are...

what, exactly? I have a few suggestions, but I want to hear yours first.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #179)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:48 PM

208. I don't think the majority of America's youth would murder a baby like this

I don't even think most low-life criminals would murder a baby like this. This is like crazy psychopath shit, isn't it?

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #177)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:31 PM

185. A few people made a knee-jerk association with the Susan Smith case

 

Template = White single mom kills her own kid(s) and blames it on two black guys.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #185)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 03:30 PM

188. The Charles Stuart Case..

He killed his wife,unborn child and shot himself in the leg...and blamed it on 2 black guys

Yes...there is a template for shifting blame, but typically LE will look at mother,father,parent,husband first anyway..

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #185)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:19 PM

200. I noted the differences between the two cases. nt

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:27 PM

189. I'd want the lying family members prosecuted as well.

 

If De'Marquise Elkins is convicted, each and every family member who has spoken to police and claimed he was with them at the time he was shooting a baby in the face - should be prosecuted.
If they got 10 years each I'd be happy - death for the shooter, life for his flunkie that was on scene.

family members say he wasn't anywhere near the scene.
"He was with us the whole time," said Freeman, adding that she gave police the same account of her nephew's whereabouts. "There is no doubt in my mind that he is innocent."
http://www.theitem.com/news/ap_news/ga-woman-says-she-s-certain-suspect-shot-her-baby/article_eb15fe08-379a-598a-9786-57b442fb227d.html


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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:41 PM

190. Mugshot of 17 year old suspect released

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Response to Skip Intro (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 09:09 PM

207. I saw the mother being interviewed. She said she wouldn't mind if the kids died for this

crime. They won't. America doesn't kill kids I hope. But I don't blame her for feeling that way. I hope the press leaves her alone from here on in.

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