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Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:36 PM

Don't like Apple? Use Samsung as an alternative.

Most electronics manufacturers, including Apple, don't just assemble in China but use it as their supply chain. They buy displays from one company in China, batteries from another, plastics from yet another, flash memory chips from someone else, and assemble it all there before shipping it. Buying parts cheaply, and then assembling them cheaply, is how they make their money. A lot of money, in Apple's case, since Apple products are fairly overpriced. For instance, Apple sells it's 16 GB iPad 2 with WiFi only for $500. Acer's 16 GB A500 tablet with WiFi only--but also HDMI out, USB host, and a better screen--is $300.

Samsung, however, does things differently. For starters, their manufacturing is in South Korea, not China. South Korea has not just a minimum wage which is by law reviewed and adjusted annually, but also the worker protections you would expect from a civilized country with a remarkably high standard of living.

Add to that that not only is the final product assembled in South Korea, but almost all the components are as well: Samsung makes their money by being their own supply chain. They manufacture their own displays, their own batteries, their own flash memory, their own processors, etcetera. Virtually every component in a Samsung-branded device was manufactured by Samsung, in South Korea, unless they literally could not get it anywhere else--for instance the hardened "Gorilla Glass" which is only manufactured by Corning Inc. in either Harrodsburg, Kentucky or Shizuoka, Japan.

If you're looking for an alternative to buying things made by Chinese factory workers, there IS an alternative that is manufactured almost entirely by well paid and protected workers in a country with a high standard of living, without having to sacrifice your wallet.

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Reply Don't like Apple? Use Samsung as an alternative. (Original post)
TheWraith Feb 2012 OP
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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:40 PM

1. Good info! Thanks for posting!

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:40 PM

2. I predict a fanboy assault

on this thread at any moment, they are just donning their genius-armor T-shirts and getting their iTalking points in order.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:07 PM

57. I predict a hypocrite's assault.

Once we learn downthread that Samsung is also one of FOXCONN's major customers.

Until you guys are ready to stop pretending that this is an "Apple Problem" rather than a problem with an entire industry, your contributions to the discussion are not honest.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:22 PM

71. major?

we learned nothing of the sort.

My problem with Apple isn't so much the fact that they use a slave labor organization like Foxconn, shit almost ever tech company uses them. They produce good shit in those prisons.

My problem with Apple is the idea that they try to promote their overpriced crap as being more than a profit generator. It's about the people, the "progressive" environment, we're not as bad as the other guys...then look behind the curtain and they've got suppliers dying off using hexane to clean screens and blowing up buildings because of aluminum dust.

Apple has known about the shit going on at Foxconn for years and they've done nothing about it because Foxconn can produce a new glass screen overnight to make sure they don't miss a promised launch date.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #71)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:29 PM

74. Weird rationalizations

"It's about the people, the "progressive" environment, we're not as bad as the other guys"

Can you link to an Apple Commercial or advertisement containing any of these messages? Especially the "progressive" one.

I do know that the recent iPad2 commercials emphasize what you can do with an iPad (learn, produce, make music, do presentations, etc) vs the other manufacturers who focus more on what you can consume (movies and games). I suppose you could construe Apple's emphasis on Active User Experiences in those ads as "evil" if you wanted to try hard enough.

Bottom Line for me:

Either these companies manufacture with FOXCONN or they don't. It is not "OK" with me that Apple manufactures with FOXCONN. It is also not "OK" with me that the other companies do so too.

I am assuming you feel the same way.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:27 PM

81. Either you do something illegal, or you don't. Therefore jaywalking is the same as murder.

See how utterly ridiculous that kind of black and white absolutism is?

The simple fact that some people don't want to get here is that the overwhelming majority of Samsung products are manufactured by people who are paid a healthy wage, in a healthy environment, with solid worker protections.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #81)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:39 PM

85. "Our water is pure! There is only 10 percent feces in it"

I have a better idea, how about we eliminate all the feces from drinking water?

As I said before, if you are in a hole stop digging.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #85)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 08:36 PM

93. remember that thing about the perfect being the enemy of the good... (nt)

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #85)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 01:28 PM

106. Your continual unwillingness to understand nuance make it pointless to argue with you.

If you can't understand the idea of something not being "all or nothing" then you may want to stop following politics.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:43 PM

3. Thank you - I posted about needing a new computer and being depressed

Does Samsung make a tablet of sorts?

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Response to adigal (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:46 PM

4. The Galaxy Tab

but I'm not sure if it's any good, I don't own one.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:59 PM

9. Have two (7" & 10.1")

They have worked well so far.

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Response to adigal (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:50 PM

5. They make a ton of tablets, actually.

The entire "Galaxy Tab" line, distinguished by screen size. The Galaxy Tab 7 has a 7 inch screen, the 10.1 is 10.1 inches, etcetera.

If you're looking small, the Galaxy Tab 7.7 has a spectacular screen, but it's a little compact if you're looking for something bigger.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:06 PM

16. Can you use a wireless keyboard with any of them??

I really wanna know....

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:15 PM

21. Bluetooth keyboards are a definite yes.

You should be able to use either a full size Bluetooth keyboard or those little miniature travel ones they size for tablets.

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:37 PM

84. blueray my friend

 

and you can use swype if you don't want to use a bluetooth keyboard..

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Response to adigal (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:59 PM

10. They do. My sister loves hers, so far. nt

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Response to adigal (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:35 PM

83. I love my tab

 

its wifi so no contract..

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:54 PM

6. I have both an Acer A200 tablet (newer than the A500) and a Samsung Galaxy S II Phone...

both blow Apple away in quality and usability (and they are both Android )

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:57 PM

7. Did it last year. nt

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:58 PM

8. R#6 & K, thanks n/t

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:01 PM

11. +1

Thank you!

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:03 PM

12. Incidentaly, Apple is suing Samsung in several countries over IP issues.

My favorite complaint is that Samsung's tablets also have rounded corners.

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Response to sudopod (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:09 PM

18. Let's be honest: Apple's suing because they don't want to compete with Samsung.

That's the only real reason. And as you noted, yes, it's reached pretty absurd heights. Apple submitted a document in one of the suits of design suggestions for Samsung that Apple thought would not "infringe" on their products: I actually, swear to God, thought that it was a parody the first time I read it. It was that ridiculous. Among the other ideas besides "no rounded corners" they suggested that Samsung should use:

"Display screens that are not centered on the front surface of the phone and that have substantial lateral borders"
"Phones without bezels at all or very different-looking bezels that are not thin"
"Thick frames rather than a thin rim around the front surface"
"Profiles that are not thin"
"A cluttered appearance"

Those are all their words, verbatim, from the court filing: they want to legally demand that Samsung make thick, square, and ugly tablets so Apple won't feel infringed upon and go out trying to sue them.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:15 PM

20. Maybe Samsung should make one that's thick, heavy, and covered with spikes.

Introducing the Samsung Galaxy Tablet "Deathklok" Special Addition!

The most brutal tablet EVER.

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Response to sudopod (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:22 PM

25. Murderface approved!!

"Dese spikes hurts my hands Skwisgaar..."

"Shuts up Toki, you don't know za snakes from dildos abouts technologys."

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:32 PM

27. lol nt

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Response to sudopod (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:03 PM

55. Is Apple going to sue Starfleet next?

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:03 PM

13. K&R thanks for bringing this here.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:04 PM

14. Got my daughter a Galaxy Ace for Christmas, as her first cell phone...

and she loves it.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:16 PM

22. I'm getting a new Samsung Stratosphere tomorrow.

I chose it over higher-end Motorola devices because I know Samsung's quality and usability excels.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:05 PM

15. I'm not one for purity wars but good to know

As it happens I have a Samsung phone and TV albeit not for these reasons. I suppose it gives some extra incentive for brand loyalty if Chinese sourcing bothers you. Even for me it may be worth a tiebreaker.

I've had good luck with Samsung stuff so far, although my HP computer has baing great too and doubtless they have Chinese content aplenty.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:07 PM

17. Samsung does quite a bit of its manufacturing in China...

Samsung is one of the major purchasers of electronics produced at the Lite-On Computer Technology production facility in Shijie Town, Dongguan Province, China (founded 1997). By early 2008, the facility employed about 5000 people who enter the company by paying agencies based in Shijie town, Dongguan, 500-600 yuan (for men) or 200 yuan (for women). While Lite-On production schedules follow a normal 8-hour workday, breaks consist of only 10 minutes twice a day and are unpaid – further, overtime work in the evenings, on weekends, and especially during busy seasons, is mandatory and can reach up to 100 hours a month, in violation of both Chinese Labor Law and the standard. Basic wages at Lite-On complied with Chinese minimum wage laws (690 yuan/month in 2007), but until mid-to-late 2007 when overtime began being paid at twice the standard weekend rate (8.24 yuan/hour) the company violated overtime wage laws by paying over 2 yuan less per hour. A fire in the factory in February of 2008 has caused workers to be extremely concerned about their safety, and as of May 2008 production had not yet fully resumed at full capacity due to the damage the fire had caused. Workers are charged up to one quarter of their wages on food, electricity, and water for eating and living in the factory dormitories, which house up to 16 people per room. Research conducted by and in early 2008 concluded that workers at Lite-On were unaware of their rights under either standards or any of the codes of conduct of Lite-On’s customers, including Samsung.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Samsung_Group#Labor

Samsung Electronics Huizhou Company (SEHZ), Huizhou (China)
Samsung Electronics Suzshou LCD Co., Ltd.
Tianjin Samsung Electronics Company (TSEC), Tianjin China
Suzhou Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. (SSEC), Suzhou China
Shenzhen Samsung Kejian Mobile Telecommunication Technology Co., Ltd. China
Shandong Samsung Telecommunications Co., Ltd., Weihai China
China Printed Board Assembly (TSED), Zhongshan China
Tianjin Tongguang Samsung Electronics Company (TTSEC), Tianjin China
Tianjin Samsung Telecom Communication (TSTC), Tianjin China
Tianjin Samsung Electronics Display (TSED), Tianji China
Samsung India Electronics Ltd. (SIEL), New Delhi India
Samsung Telecommunications India Private Ltd. (STI), New Delhi India
P.T. Samsung Electronics Indonesia (SEIN), Cikarang Indonesia
Samsung Electronics Display (M) Sdn. Bhd. (SDMA), Seremban Malaysia
Samsung Electronics (M) Sdn Bhd. (SEMA), Klang Malaysia
Samsung Electronics Philippines Manufacturing Corp. (SEPHIL), Laguna Calamba Philippines
Thai Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. (TSE), Bangkok Thailand
Samsung Vina Electronics Co., Ltd. (SAVINA), Ho Chi Minh City Vietnam
Samsung Electronics Hungarian Co., Ltd. (SEH), Budapest Hungary
Samsung Electronics Slovakia, S.R.O. (SESK), Glanta Slovakia
Samsung Electronica Da Amazonia Ltda. (SEDA), São Paulo Brazil
Samsung Electronics México (production) (SEM), Queretaro Mexico
Samsung Méxicana S.A. de C.V. (SAMEX), Tijuana Mexico

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:14 PM

19. Samsung does some local manufacturing for various countries in said countries.

Usually "localized" parts and devices, for instance cell phones with keyboards printed in the local language and character set. However, the vast majority of their products, including basically everything they sell in the United States, is manufactured in South Korea.

As I said, there are some components that they don't or can't produce themselves; in the case of Lite-On, that would be CD/DVD burners for laptop computers. Besides which, you're citing one example compared to the fact that any other company would be sourcing entirely from such places.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:19 PM

23. That is a good thing to know.

Samsung stuff has a good rep, and that it's made entirely in a country with First World style worker protections that pays good wages only adds to the appeal.

Samsung will be at the top of my list should I be in the market for any products they make.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:07 PM

31. Hate dogs?

then by all means, put Samsung at the top of your list.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:15 PM

34. ???

Care to explain? I don't get what you're driving at.

Edit to add: OK I read your posts downthread, but I don't know what this specifically has to do with Samsung products. It sounds like the problem you point out is a South Korean problem rather than a Samsung problem.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:18 PM

35. Please see my extensive posts in this thread

The South Korean Gov't, despite signing international agreements to ban the dog and cat "meat" trade allows it to flourish, wreaking horrible cruelty toward these poor animals throughout their country.

Please see my posts that are right in this thread for you to consult. If you can support South Korean products after looking through the information in there, I don't know what to say.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:45 PM

87. whats wrong with eating cats?

 

its not for me, but I do eat chicken, bacon, and beef..

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Response to mdmc (Reply #87)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 02:37 PM

107. As an animal lover and vegetarian, I honestly don't get the distinction. All us animals feel pain

I dislike causing pain so I try to kill only plants, people that can kill and consume a lamb or pig should have no trouble doing the same to others, hell cats are predators and lambs are not, it's easier if anything to sympathize with the grazers.

What exactly is the criteria of compassion when choosing what to slaughter for meat and what to befriend?
To me we all seem equal.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #107)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:48 PM

109. As both the things you mention in your subject line

I am also not up for any of the slaughter.

I do think there is something particular about the dog in its relationship to man, as there is a real argument that the species simply does not exist except for the interaction with man, which changed wolf to dog, but that is not really the point here.

As I have explained - repeatedly - the dog "trade" in Korea is particularly brutal - amazingly, it is probably more brutal than our factory farm operations, which as I have also - repeatedly - said is an amazing level of cruelty to reach - and I find it particularly disgraceful that the Korean government has publicly banned in since, I believe 1991, has made international agreements to this effect - and it is all a massive lie.

Because of bribery and political expedience internally, they say one thing to the international community and do the complete opposite within their borders. The "trade" shouldn't exist, and fuck the Korean government for letting it flourish. Because of Samsung's size and power within South Korea, the idea of separating the company from the broader Government in South Korea is absurd.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #109)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:45 PM

110. thanks for the replies

 

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Response to mdmc (Reply #110)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:49 PM

111. np

thanks for reading them

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:21 PM

24. Love their promos:

&feature=related


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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:45 PM

28. While attractive Asian women don't have much to do with smartphones...

I can say that Samsung's Super AMOLED displays (which that video is promoting) are pretty spectacular. The difference between them and a regular LCD is like the difference between Sunday newsprint and a glossy magazine.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:31 PM

26. Samsung? we used to do those same things in the USA til outsourcing became the norm nt

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:34 PM

29. Samsung now manufactures iPhone/iPad processors for Apple in Austin, TX.

They employ 1,100 people to do so — though mostly undocumented immigrants... just kidding.

Anyways, here's an article about the new factory...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/16/us-apple-samsung-idUSTRE7BF0D420111216

Upon edit: BTW, Samsung (and LG) supply Apple with LCD screens and other component parts.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:05 PM

30. Disgusting Dog "Meat" trade - I DO NOT BUY FROM SOUTH KOREA

their Government lies egregiously about the dog and cat "meat" trade in their country.

They sign international agreements that they have absolutely no intention of honoring.

They commit to banning the dog and cat "meat" trade and then allow it to flourish in South Korea. It is an unbelievably cruel "industry," and the idea that "eating dogs is cultural in South Korea" is total BULLSHIT. It started during WWII when people were starving. It is not some kind of long-standing tradition. It is a nasty bit of business, whipped along by ridiculous lies about mystical health benefits of dog "meat."

Despicable liars.

IN SHORT - IF YOU HATE DOGS, BY ALL MEANS, BUY SAMSUNG!


See below for more information:

http://www.idausa.org/campaigns/korea/korean.html

In Defense of Animals (IDA) has learned that two million South Korean dogs are electrocuted, strangled, or bludgeoned to death each year. Then they're boiled, skinned, browned by a torch, chopped up and eaten.
All of this cruelty and suffering is enough to make you sick.

Where do the dogs come from?

Thirty percent are stolen from families that love them. Most are homeless dogs, captured by butchers and sold in open markets.

The tragic reality is that authorities are giving the dog meat trade their silent blessing by turning a blind eye to this outrageous bloodbath even though South Korean law forbids the sale and consumption of dog meat. The country's Animal Protection Law, which was passed in 1991 considers dogs to be "domestic pets."

Let me assure you the eating of dog meat isn't based on any deeply rooted South Korean tradition. South Koreans have only eaten dogs when poverty has been widespread, as was the case during World War II. Even in those hard times, dogs were treated as companion animals.

Now, however -- with the unspoken blessing of the government, greedy, unscrupulous dog traders in South Korea propagate the myth that canine meat increases male sexual prowess and general health. This illegal industry has organized itself well. It bribes government officials and police, hires thugs to intimidate animal welfare campaigners, and persuades newspapers to extol the "virtues" of dog meat.

Although the vast majority of South Koreans don't eat dog meat, official figures indicate there are at least 6,484 stores nationwide dealing in this horrific trade.

"It's inconceivable to me that a being we consider 'man's best friend' could be so brutally killed, skinned, and butchered." --Elliot M. Katz, DVM

"I asked about the eating of dogs and was told over an over that it didn't happen anymore. You can imagine my shock and horror upon getting lost in one of the huge markets in downtown Taegu. I looked down and saw the head of a dog with its legs stuffed in its mouth. I saw limbs that were skinned. Everywhere I turned there were dogs in cages. The smell was overwhelming. That market, that sweltering hot August day, was what I envisioned hell to be like." –An American teacher in South Korea

The fate of the innocent...

In spite of a 1991 law which prohibits consumption of dogs and cats, a flourishing industry exists within the markets of South Korea. Illegal and unsanitary dog farms are hidden away in the countryside where breeders raise their stock for butchers.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:10 PM

32. Please see this link for more information

I should have said that the practice started during the Korean War:

http://www.koreananimals.org/animals/dogs.htm

Since the Korean government's Ministry of Agriculture defines dogs and cats as pets and not livestock, many Koreans excuse their choice to eat dog by citing cultural pride and tradition. Some of these dog meat proponents claim that eating dogs enhances virility.

IAKA believes however, as do many Koreans, that true tradition of eating dogs gained prevalence after the Korean War as a result of widespread starvation. Dog as a delicacy grew in popularity after reconstruction because dog dealers and restaurants began to fabricate health benefits derived from eating dog meat.

In reality, the dog meat trade has more to do with greed and profits rather than any sort of tradition. The practice has unfortunately spread to younger Koreans who did not live through the war and believe without question the myths passed down by some elders. In addition, some youth eat dog meat in defiance of animal welfare campaigns, viewing these groups as western imperialists.

The truth is that every year, more than 2 million dogs are killed and consumed in South Korea. With each dog fetching the equivalent of US $250, it is a lucrative industry protected by powerful corporate interests. Killing and eating dogs is illegal in South Korea. Enforcing these laws amidst powerful lobbyists and government officials who eat dog meat is a difficult proposition.

These photographs show how much dogs suffer for the misinformed, willingly ignorant practice of eating dog meat. They are not suitable for all audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:12 PM

33. And I DARE you to look at the photos and then buy Samsung


http://www.koreananimals.org/media/dogabuse2.htm#nogo

Look at the photos!

If you can look at them, and then support South Korea, have at it!

But you best look at them - look at this horrible suffering first, please - THEN make up your mind.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:42 PM

49. I looked

I don't quite understand the outrage. People eat animals. So what if they are dogs rather than pigs? I say this as someone who loves dogs, and wouldn't eat one, but I certainly wouldn't want to push my personal views of which animals are pets and which are food on another country.

Do you think pigs in massive swine farms in the US are somehow treated better? Maybe you can boycott products made in the US, since we mistreat a far greater number of animals than the Koreans do...

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Response to metalbot (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:01 PM

54. Argh

I answer this extensively in this thread.

1) I am an activist opposed to factory farming.

2) I try to avoid eating anything that comes through our food production system (and am a vegetarian doing my damndest to get as close to vegan as possible)

3) The South Korean government openly lies to the world about this "industry"

4) I want there to be no illusions about buying Korean

5) This is not a matter of "your personal views of which animals are pets and which are food" - that is exactly the bullshit the Koreans making a killing in this industry want you to believe:

5.1) Dogs and Cats are classified as "pets" *officially* in Korea
5.2) This is not some kind of "ooh, don't step on the cultural practice of another culture" thing - there is NO tradition of eating dogs and cats in Korea. It is something that began with starvation during the Korean War. Hardly a longstanding part of any culture there.
5.3) These lies are promoted by an industry that makes a ton of money by pushing dog meat with a roster of chicanery including non-scientific myths and appeals to nonexistent "traditions"
5.4) I have no problem pushing my views that this particular "industry" is disgusting on a country that has an internationally signed agreement that says the practice is unacceptable

6) Our factory farming system is a disgrace - I don't know if in good conscience I can say that anything is worse, but - I think I may have to say that the practices in South Korea may be even worse. Which is some kind of incredible accomplishment. Read how the dogs are treated. You shouldn't eat meat in America, in my opinion, if you really know how factory farms work, but read the descriptions in the information I've provided about these dogs.

7) I support fighting the factory farming system in every legal way possible, while also supporting my fellow Americans as best I can. I have no desire to support a country whose government lies about making an agreement to ban a barbaric and shameful systematic practice of cruelty.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:27 PM

39. devil's advocate....

That sickens me, but why is that any worse than what we do to chicken, pigs, horses, and cows?

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:33 PM

43. Won't find a bigger opponent of factory farming on this board

well, you might, but believe me, I'm very high up there.

In at least one of a small number of incarnations, I am an activist against factory farming and Smithfield as the worst of the worst in that business.

I am a vegetarian and I also told Paula Deen to go fuck herself multiple times in the thread regarding her diabetes (which is a rough disease - I would know, seeing as my father was a leading authority on diabetes, and his twin a life-long sufferer). Why did I say this about Paula Deen? Because she is a pitch-woman for Smithfield Hams, which is like being a saleswoman for child molestation.

So, no, there's no way I'm going to answer your question with ANY sort of defense of Big Ag and the factory farming industry, who I hate with a passion.

I will say that the South Korean government is engaged in active lying and dealbreaking regarding the practice, which I think just sucks.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:33 PM

44. Then you had best never buy from pretty much anywhere.

Including China, which has similar problems, Japan which harvests whale meat, the US where we have problems with factory farms (mostly for poultry), etcetera, etcetera.

Personally, knowing that there's no such thing as perfection, I would encourage people to make a decision based on how the country's HUMANS are treated, rather than ongoing problems with illegal farming.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:45 PM

51. They all have problems

and Japan's whaling situation is one that concerns any animal advocate deeply.

I have to say that I think we are much further along at winning that battle, in particular. I believe that Japanese taste for whale meat has declined precipitously.

If you read almost anything I post on this board, you know how much I hate factory farming.

What particularly disgusts me about the South Korean trade is how blatantly their government egregious violates an international agreement that they signed (with apparently no intention of following).

I may be naive, but I think Japan will reform their whaling predilection long before anything is done to change this horrific industry in South Korea that is supported by lies and other assorted forms of bullshit.

And yes, I doubly despise China because of their double whammy of treating animals horrifically and committing human rights abuses.

I want people to know what the South Korean government is about, though, and be under no illusions about some sort of glory of buying Korean.

And "illegal farming" is one of the most innocuous ways I've ever heard to describe what is shown in the pictures I linked to.

I also have no idea why you think our (US) problems are "mostly for poultry." The chicken situation is as bad as any - if you don't know where your chicken came from, the chances are just about 100% that it lived its entire life in a space that is HALF of an 8 1/2 x 11 piece of paper before being brutally butchered, and there are lots of them. But are you unaware of how terribly pigs and cows are treated, as well?

The US, however, is my country, and if I could support workers here, I'd like to do it, while continuing to work against factory farming as diligently as I possibly can.

You're right in thinking the "where do I buy a computer" is a situation which I ultimately find myself despairing over.

I have particular scorn, however, as I explain, for the South Korean government's blatant lying and tolerance of an industry that need not exist.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:15 PM

66. Is that any worse than what we do to cows, pigs and chickens in this country? n/t

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #66)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:17 PM

67. People really don't read threads I guess

I've responded to this probably six times already in this thread?

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #67)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:21 PM

70. Sorry, but I don't usually don't have the time to wade through entire long threads.

I try to get in a few peeks while I'm working on other projects, but that's about all I can do. Sorry again.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #70)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:23 PM

72. I understand

I never know how other people use the sites I frequent.

I just feel lost if I don't poke my way through the great bulk of a thread.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:47 PM

88. I love dogs the way other people love cows

 

I eat cows..

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:20 PM

36. Enter my lovely Galaxy Tab 10.1 and my Nexus. nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:25 PM

37. Exit with these LOVELY photos of dogs being tortured and slaughtered


http://www.koreananimals.org/media/dogabuse2.htm#nogo

What's done is done, but buying South Korean products until they live up to their international commitment to ban the dog and cat "meat" trade is not the way to go.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:47 PM

52. I don't have any more of a problem with that than I do the treatment of western animals

Whether it's cow, dog, pig, chicken or cat you don't have to look far to find examples of dreadful abuse in the name of food.

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Response to Eid Ma Clack Shaw (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:04 PM

56. I've responded pretty extensively to this elsewhere in this thread

I always read a full thread when I click on a thread - is that an unusual practice?

You may not find my answer compelling, but I've already responded pretty extensively to what you mention.

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Response to Eid Ma Clack Shaw (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:08 PM

59. And just in case you missed it

from text I quoted upthread:

http://www.idausa.org/campaigns/korea/korean.html

The tragic reality is that authorities are giving the dog meat trade their silent blessing by turning a blind eye to this outrageous bloodbath even though South Korean law forbids the sale and consumption of dog meat. The country's Animal Protection Law, which was passed in 1991 considers dogs to be "domestic pets."

Let me assure you the eating of dog meat isn't based on any deeply rooted South Korean tradition. South Koreans have only eaten dogs when poverty has been widespread, as was the case during World War II. Even in those hard times, dogs were treated as companion animals.

Now, however -- with the unspoken blessing of the government, greedy, unscrupulous dog traders in South Korea propagate the myth that canine meat increases male sexual prowess and general health. This illegal industry has organized itself well. It bribes government officials and police, hires thugs to intimidate animal welfare campaigners, and persuades newspapers to extol the "virtues" of dog meat.

Although the vast majority of South Koreans don't eat dog meat, official figures indicate there are at least 6,484 stores nationwide dealing in this horrific trade.

"It's inconceivable to me that a being we consider 'man's best friend' could be so brutally killed, skinned, and butchered." --Elliot M. Katz, DVM

"I asked about the eating of dogs and was told over an over that it didn't happen anymore. You can imagine my shock and horror upon getting lost in one of the huge markets in downtown Taegu. I looked down and saw the head of a dog with its legs stuffed in its mouth. I saw limbs that were skinned. Everywhere I turned there were dogs in cages. The smell was overwhelming. That market, that sweltering hot August day, was what I envisioned hell to be like." –An American teacher in South Korea

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:07 PM

58. My electronics, evidently in contrast to yours, are not made of animal meat.


So I am unclear on whatever silly point you are attempting to make.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #58)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:14 PM

65. That you are extolling a company that makes ONE FIFTH

of all of the exports in this country where the government lies about its role in a brutal and unnecessary trade of torture.

You think Samsung, clocking in at 1/5th of all exports doesn't have close ties to the South Korean government?

I'm glad you can be so dismissive and use words like "silly" when looking at the faces of those dogs who are being brutally skinned, electrocuted, and cut into pieces while alive by an industry that thrives through bribery of public officials and other underhanded practices.

Support Samsung and you support the South Korean government. I don't support the South Korean government.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:18 PM

68. Well, I'm convinced. I'll be supporting human slavery from now on.

Where's the nearest Apple store? I mean, if we have to pick an evil...


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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #68)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:29 PM

75. I am *thrilled* that Apple is catching shit that is long overdue

you can't position yourself as the computer of young progressives - and there is no way that this is not exactly what they did - and support the horrible labor practices that are so essential to pleasing the Wall Street analysts.

I don't know what the answer is. Buy used, buy from someone who can assemble a computer for you (most of the "insurance" plans are worthless when anything real goes down besides their product screwing up from inside - they never insure for human error), buy less?

Apple's products are all pretty tempting. I would gladly buy one and pay more if they would change their treatment of the workers who assemble them.

I'm not an Apple fanboy. I hate the South Korean government. Sorry, but I find that industry an abomination, and the fact that the government has signed an accord to ban it and was so obviously lying when they did so - I think that sucks. And as I said, I think the idea that Samsung is inextricably tied to the South Korean government is a very reasonable idea.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #75)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 11:43 AM

104. Is the computer you are using for the discussion

designed and made by a nation of vegatarians?

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Response to Londoncalling (Reply #104)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:40 PM

108. Dang it, of course not, and not the point

where to get *any* electronics is a question we are all struggling with.

But as I pointed out Samsung basically equals the Korean government.

When you are responsible for ONE FIFTH of all the country's exports, the link is both inevitable and obvious. See posts #99 and #100 for discussion of this.

And that government condemns this barbaric industry when engaging in politics with the international community, has agreed to ban the industry, and then allows it to flourish within its borders, simply because of greed.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:40 PM

86. I did not know this

I purchased a Samsung camera late last year. My first Samsung product and my last.

Thank you.

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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #86)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:41 PM

95. You're very welcome

Like you, I purchased a samsung printer (this was a long, long time ago). I won't lie, the product performed damn well. I've been woefully ignorant about a slew of things at various points in my life. I think I didn't even realize samsung was a korean company back then, which, I mean, I don't even know what to say about that (it was a while ago).

I figured things out shortly thereafter, and every time I printed something up I'd feel terrible about what - at least to me - I felt like I was supporting. But since then, I've just tried not to buy Korean products as my protest against the government saying one thing to the world and turning around and letting that industry go full steam ahead within their borders. You live you learn. I also do try to make an effort to not buy products from China, but wow, is that difficult. I was sitting in a presentation about some undercover video that had been shot of ridiculous abuse by cattle workers and other animal topics - it occurred to me to look down at the sneakers I'd bought before deciding to try to avoid products from China - lo and behold, the damn sneakers were made in China. Argh.

You live and you learn, and then go from there...

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #95)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:28 AM

96. I didn't even look at the links

Your descriptions were enough. Just thought you'd want to know you're online activism is having some effect. Definately changed my buying practices.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:25 PM

38. Cool. I have a Samsung :)

Galaxy S2, which is I feel is superior to the iphone anyway (bigger screen, faster, etc).

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:29 PM

40. This is the last "response" post I'll do, but do people read the whole thread?

If so, please tell me your thoughts on the horrific and brutal dog slaughtering industry in South Korea - an industry the Government has made clear international agreements to ban (but doesn't).

I won't hector each Samsung woooo! post beyond this last plea to consider the issue, but this issue upsets me so profoundly that this thread pretty much makes me physically ill.

Do people read whole threads, or is that not the common practice, btw?

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:31 PM

42. I responded to you upthread just now

Hopefully you'll respond back

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:34 PM

45. I did

of course.

I'm not opposed at all to responding to any questions on the issue.

I hope you can see from my response (above) that I'm not really being inconsistent here.

Thank you for taking the time to think about the issue I raised.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 10:43 AM

101. You aren't being inconsistent.

You ARE derailing this thread with unrelated spam.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #101)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 01:14 PM

105. This is in every way a lousy post

content-free, wrong, conclusory - weak.

It's entirely related to a thread about woo-hoo Samsung - which if you actually read any of the thread you would see is entirely linked to the Korean government (see posts #99 and #100), but you're probably more interested in dismissing a very-anti DU concern like giving a shit about the world's animals.



Vile.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:51 PM

89. We do the same thing here to cows

 

I see nothing wrong with SK people eating the meat of dogs..

perhaps this dog eating thing needs its own thread..

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Response to we can do it (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:36 PM

47. Good for you. You've completely failed to refute my point.

Equating one company manufacturing a few percent of their products in China to another company manufacturing EVERYTHING there is rather silly.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:42 PM

48. ? Did you read any of thoses article or did you just spew?

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Response to we can do it (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:09 PM

61. I know what I'm talking about. Clearly you don't.

Although the Apple Mac avatar image makes me wonder if you're simply being deliberately obtuse about the difference between almost all of a company's manufacturing being in South Korea, and claiming that all of it is.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:20 PM

69. "But judge, I only stole $1000.00 dollars. He stole $5,000. I'm INNOCENT, I tell you!"

When you are in a hole it is time to stop digging.

I think we can all agree that Apple should set an example and stop using FOXCONN. Samsung should set the same example, as should Microsoft, Dell, etc etc etc etc. As I said to you further down the line, there is no such thing as a little bit pregnant.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #69)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:05 PM

78. So clearly, therefore we should stop using all electronics.

You go ahead and be the first to smash your computer in protest.

This attempt at black and white thinking is more akin to saying that jaywalking is the same as rape and murder because it's illegal.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #78)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:02 PM

80. LOL

If you are going to put words in my mouth, you should try not to make them so patently ridiculous.

Some things aren't black and white. But some things are black and white.

Either manufacturing with FOXCONN is ok or it is not ok. In my book it is not OK. A lot is not ok, a little is not ok. I doubt I am the only one who feels that way.

I've made a promise to myself to do what I can to pressure Apple to do the right thing. As well as every other vendor of products I use that are manufactured by FOXCONN.

So I would suggest you try to do the same thing with Samsung.

As I said before, when you are in a hole it is best to stop digging. The silliness of your last post is not doing you any favors.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #80)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:30 PM

82. If you want to talk about ridiculous, you started it.

Trying to equate a tiny amount of manufacturing that Samsung receives from unhealthy companies, to entities like Apple which rely on it entirely, and say that that's EXACTLY the same thing... or for that matter, ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of Samsung's products are produced by well paid and well treated employees in a thriving country... THAT is ridiculous.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #82)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 08:09 PM

91. If I were to remind you that the majority of Apple's employees are well paid and well treated

employees in thriving countries, you would say I was rationalizing.

There's no point in this discussion continuing. Best wishes to you.

Please consider making the same pledge that I made to myself.

Call the vendors of products you own that contain components manufactured by FOXCONN or manufacture with FOXCONN.

Let them know that you would like them to do the right thing and start producing ethically. And yes, that includes SAMSUNG.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:00 PM

77. SPEW on!



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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:35 PM

46. Im heavily leaning toward the Galaxy SII for my next phone.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:43 PM

50. I like some of Samsung's products, but this is manifestly false.

A lot of their stuff is manufactured in Tianjin which, last time I checked, wasn't in South Korea.

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Response to Eid Ma Clack Shaw (Reply #50)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:08 PM

60. People need to learn some reading comprehension.

The fact that Samsung has manufacturing plants in a lot of other countries, including both China and the US as well as Brazil, Hungary, India, and elsewhere, does not alter the fact that the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of their products are manufactured in South Korea.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #60)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:13 PM

64. Interesting. I find that rationale pretty lame

If it is wrong for Apple to use FOXCONN (and it is) it is also wrong for Samsung to use FOXCONN.

There is no such thing as "a little bit pregnant"

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #64)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:08 PM

79. And I find black and white thinking equally lame.

Jaywalking and murder are both illegal, therefore jaywalkers are the same as murderers!

The reality is that they're nowhere near the same league.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:52 PM

90. +1

 

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Response to mdmc (Reply #90)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 08:19 PM

92. What was your position on US institutional investments in South Africa during Apartheid?

Was it ok as long as it was only a small percentage of the total portfolio? Or was it important to pressure every group to divest, no matter the size of their investment.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #92)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:25 PM

94. I ain't gonna play sun city

 

we can pressure producers to give a living wage.
Samsung does it better than apple.
peace my friend. peace and low stress..

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:57 PM

53. Per New York Times, Samsung also uses FOXCONN to manufacture their products

Factories in Chengdu manufacture products for hundreds of companies. But Mr. Lai was focused on Foxconn Technology, China’s largest exporter and one of the nation’s biggest employers, with 1.2 million workers. The company has plants throughout China, and assembles an estimated 40 percent of the world’s consumer electronics, including for customers like Amazon, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Nintendo, Nokia and Samsung.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-ipad-and-the-human-costs-for-workers-in-china.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

So who is correct? You or the New York Times?

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #53)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:50 AM

98. The OP, Obviously.

The folks at the Times are just a bunch of Apple fanboys who hate Chinese people.


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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:11 PM

62. i have a SamSung Printer....

Its been going good and hard for 2 tax seasons so far.

The last HP I had barely lasted one year.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:13 PM

63. Samsung has a factory in Tianjin China and first outsourced to Thailand in the 1980's

Samsung opened their factory in Si Racha Thailand in 1986, Samsung is also planning no less than three new facilities in China, including a semiconductor plant.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:27 PM

73. HP moving home notebook production from China to Japan (for sale in Japan)

updated 10:20 am EST, Mon November 7, 2011

"According to Japanese business daily The Nikkei, HP will move production of its consumer-oriented notebook computers for the Japanese market from China to its plant near Tokyo . The company says the goal of the change is to reduce delivery time, simplify logistics, and use the "Made in Japan" tag in its marketing. HP also switched production of its business laptops to the Akishima plant in August."

Read more: http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/11/07/hp.consumer.notebooks.will.use.made.in.japan

Undoubtedly HP has some incentive to move notebook computer assembly to Japan for the Japanese market.

Until recently, and maybe still, the high-end corporate models from Toshiba and Fujitsu were still manufactured in Japan. And I'm sure they still manufacture in Japan for the Japanese market.

Fujitsu even makes notebooks in Germany for the EU market!
Fujitsu: Virtual Factory Tour Augsburg


We're such schmucks...

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #73)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:34 PM

76. That's really interesting stuff. Thanks for posting it

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:55 AM

97. Velocity Micro. Assembled in Richmond VA

In an age where just about all electronics come from Asia...check out Velocity Micro. PCs are assembled in Richmond Virginia. Of course the components come from all over. But Velocity Micro is a fine first step for those seeking an alternative to 100% sweatshop electronics.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:42 AM

99. Samsung is a huge ginormous corporation subsidized by the country of S Korea.

They couldn't go head-to-head with American companies without being bailed out by the government of South Korea.

They don't just make computer parts, and tvs, they also manufacture industrial cranes.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #99)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 10:35 AM

100. Samsung is one of the largest chaebols

South Korea is prehaps the best model of the corporatist state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 11:33 AM

102. I do have a Samsung cellphone

and tv...love them both. Also can't afford an iPhone.

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 11:36 AM

103. Plus Windows 8 will be an alternative soon.

Microsoft will have a mobile phone to compete with the iPhone with Windows 8. Apple just got there first.

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Response to Rex (Reply #103)

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:02 PM

112. HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA

Um, sorry. That just sort of slipped out.

Actually, Microsoft got there first--they've been making smartphones since 2001 that were capable of most of what the iPhone did, and kept refining their platform through 2006--when they promptly sat on it and did nothing for the next few years, allowing Apple to come out with a product that did the obvious, minor innovations that Microsoft should have been on years earlier, as well as PROPERLY marketing the capabilities of a smartphone.

Microsoft subsequently killed Windows Mobile, then tried to launch Windows Phone 7 (with no connection to or compatibility with Windows Mobile) and flopped it. Now they're ditching platforms again for Windows 8--which of course will not be able to run apps designed for a Windows 8 desktop, so the connection between the two is mostly imaginary. And I'm sure if Windows 8 for phones and tablets doesn't take off within a year, Microsoft will again can it in favor of something completely new. One thing you can count on with Microsoft, they have the attention span of a goldfish on crack.

That said, I suspect most of the Windows 8 tablet and phones will be manufactured by fairly typical Chinese electronics companies.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #112)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:12 AM

113. Nice skreed, but they will have a market share.

nt

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Response to TheWraith (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 05:20 AM

114. samsung is a customer of foxconn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn


Factories in Chengdu manufacture products for hundreds of companies. But Mr. Lai was focused on Foxconn Technology, China’s largest exporter and one of the nation’s biggest employers, with 1.2 million workers. The company has plants throughout China, and assembles an estimated 40 percent of the world’s consumer electronics, including for customers like Amazon, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Nintendo, Nokia and Samsung.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-ipad-and-the-human-costs-for-workers-in-china.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

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